Vaccine in October
mark94
Arizona
Sunday, August 23, 2020 10:17 AM
Pfizer says it expects to have a vaccine ready for approval in October. What happens if they announce an effective vaccine on October 21, two weeks before the election ? Yes, FDA approval is still needed, but the announcement would be a game changer.
https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2020/08/…
https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2020/08/…
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With increased numbers of early ballots being casted across the country in recent election cycles, we no longer have an election day. We have an election month.
That is compounded by the number of people who will be voting by mail this year instead of in-person.
Will he see a bounce if it does clear trials? Who knows. He really screwed the pooch up to this point.
Not only has the FDA eliminated a lot of the red tape surrounding any approval related to the Corona Virus, but the government is signing early contracts with key players in the creation of anti-viruses.
No private company would ever commit to spending billions of dollars on producing a drug before Stage 3 testing was complete, and a drug had FDA approval.
But partnerships between the government and various drug companies are being created to do exactly that.
Drug manufacture will start before Stage 3 testing is completed for drugs that show promising data. A few contingent contracts have already been signed with monies waiting to change hands until more data is collected.
We are preparing to roll out any vaccine as soon as humanly possible.
"200K+ dead by election day. That will be tough to overcome."
Regardless of what you'd like to believe, most people don't blame President Trump. Quite the contrary, they blame irresponsible Democrat governors. In terms of Covid19 deaths, New York is BY FAR the worst of them (Cuomo), New Jersey is BY FAR the second worst (Murphy), and overall 9 of the 10 worst states are run by Democrats. Reasonable people (those not suffering from TDS) see right through the media's smoke-screen.
Where I come from the guy in charge is responsible unless what you’re insinuating is that Trump isn’t in charge there could be some truth to that
And my comments on the roll-out were straight out of Pfizer's press release.
By your reasoning, I guess we shouldn't even have states anymore. Did you want Trump to implement a national policy that every state must subscribe to, regardless of their individual and unique circumstances? Or would you prefer that Trump sit down and devise 50 different plans based on what he believes is best for each of them? Obviously you don't think the Governors are in any position to govern their own states.
What a sad state of affairs this country is in
But you are right, any drug can bomb out of any phase trial at any point in time. There is no such thing as a sure thing in drug discovery.
To the best of my knowledge, the drugs that have been approved for Corona virus to date have all been pre-existing drugs. So safety wasn't an issue, and given the alternative of no treatment at all, efficacy standards have been lowered.
In fact, from what I have heard, a vaccine will get FDA approval if it is safe even if it only protects 50% of recipients from infection.
This is not a sure thing. But it is nice to see twentyfive panic.
I think Trump bumbled this in a lot of key ways, including talking out his ass on pharmaceuticals (my field), but Operation Warp Speed is a good thing.
Still, if it gets approved, I'll have reservations. I'm a young, healthy, low-risk guy, and I want to see long-term data on any drug I take. I'll keep my mask on a bit longer and wait for others to take the hit.
"Herd immunity" is nothing but an excuse for people to do nothing and end the lockdowns. We barely have herd immunity on diseases every child is offered vaccination for.
I don’t work in the medical field, but in my mind that calls into question the long term viability of any vaccine.
Also what Tetradon said about waiting for time to pass after a great deal of others have been vaccinated before receiving a vaccination myself makes a great deal of sense.
Have you forgot about hydroxychloraquine? Safely used to treat malaria. Rushed through approval by Trump to treat Covid against the cautioning of Dr. Fauci. Disapproved as not only ineffective but dangerous for Covid patients. I believe the difference was the dosage required for malaria and a much great dose to use for Covid. It’s not science to say “because it’s preapproved safety isn’t an issue.” The doctors are still learning.
The primary study claiming it was ineffective was done by a mysterious research group that suddenly sprung up, issued the report, and then disbanded. The study has been retracted.
What little evidence there is suggests HCQ is safe and might have some effectiveness in early stages of the disease. Admittedly, it’s not a miracle cure.
One of my best friends got Covid pretty soon after we first started hearing about it. He has several strikes against him - African American (statistically worse outcomes), obese, diabetic, and has high blood pressure. He said he was sicker than ever before in his life, having trouble breathing... he was so terrified he actually started texting his friends from the hospital saying he didn't think he'd survive.
They quickly began treating him with hydroxychloraquine and in 24 hours he felt somewhat better, 2 days a lot better, and by the 3rd day he felt almost completely normal. They kept him a few more days for observation and then he walked out of the hospital good as new. Self-quarantined another couple weeks and went back to work at his contracting business.
The FDA, fake news media and liberal fuck sacks like you can say all you want that it "doesn't work" but I know first hand that it does. The left would gladly accept more deaths rather than admit Trump was right about something.
By the time it's widely available we would be looking at between Thanksgiving and New Year's.
In fact, given their failures, let’s clean house at the FDA and rewrite their mission to help find cures, not slowdown research. It could spark a golden age in medicine.
On hydrochloroquine - in malaria patients, it works be weakening the immune system and preventing a cytokine storm. A cytokine storm is the mechanism that COVID-19 uses to do most of its damage.
In studies where organ damage already occurred before use of HCQ, it was simply a case of being too late with treatment. But it does control the problem when given early enough.
Arguing topics like this is futile with people who consume Fox News all day, who read conspiracy-theory & pseudo-science websites, and who insist that Fauci is "preening asshole." The same people insist that Obama was born in Kenya and that climate change is a Chinese hoax. Why bother arguing with tinfoil-hat nutcases.
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Not sure if you are just fanning the flames or you have a valid concern about Covid-19. Possibly you are in a high risk category..."..over weight, diabetes, heart issues etc.? Then I can understand the comments better.
Just so people sleep better tonight, let’s do some basic math. You know scientists actually use actual hard data when drawing conclusions..
So how to determine percentages...
Deaths = 176,000
US Citizens = 350,000,000
176,000 divided by 350,000,000 x 100= 0.0502% Dead from COVID-19
Numbers and percentages sometimes are hard to follow, so let’s break it down this way.
We would need 3.5 million Deaths to say we have lost 1% of the USA population.
I hope some people sleep better tonight, when you look at the metrics.
Remember panic is not the virtue of a warrior!!!
I am not formally education in biosciences or medicine.
The knowledge I have of the mechanisms that CHQ uses that are beneficial to COVID patients came to me from conversations with a friend who is a doctor. His speciality? He is an ophthalmologist.
And, that’s why Trump is President. Everyone on the left, from Obama on down, believes in their heart that anyone who disagrees with them is uneducated and racist. And, they look for every opportunity to say that. Then, they can’t understand why everyone in the middle of the country, and the south, votes for someone who tells working people he admires them.
The only way to fix this is to replace them with business men, ideally wealthy ones who won’t take bribes from the industry they regulate.
The only real cure is to follow the Constitution. If you do that, the Federal bureaucrats will be removed from the personal kingdoms that they have illegally created for themselves.
Similarly, we need to radically change the employment rules for federal employees. Or, like the Ag Dept, we could simply move the various departments to cities in Red States. The President has that power. The bureaucrats would resign in the thousands.
In what utopia does this exist? Nowhere on planet earth. Even the wealthy want to be wealthier. So many examples - savings and loan crisis, junk bond crisis, subprime mortgage crisis.
Let me give you a hint - separation of church and State are not the same thing as the antiestablishment clause.
Though not explicitly stated in the First Amendment, the clause is often interpreted to mean that the Constitution requires the separation of church and state.
The Constitution requires no official state religion, not the banishment of religion from public life. If the dopes called progressives ever read a history book they would realize that our forefathers fled a country with an official state religion.
Such a practice is the antithesis of supporting the Constitution.
Similarly, courts have created something called "The War Powers Act". It is frequently used to allow Congress to avoid doing its job and allow the President alone to decide whether or not we should go to war.
This is a clear violation of the separation of powers called for by the Constitution.
Do you realize that the last time we followed the rules and engaged in a war authorized by Congress was World War II?
Not in Korea.
Not in Vietnam.
Not in Grenada (if you want to count that)
Not in Iraq (twice)
Not in Kosovo.
Not in Afghanistan.