Florida Strong

Now you just need to make a poster like Governor Cuomo!

I hate that the Press makes everything political. This is a health matter and health decisions are personal.

Right Mike? I tend to be fairly pessimistic about any government anywhere doing anything right, but FL has had very calm and steady leadership throughout this ordeal.

Positive test results ??

So, did you share this with wife and kids?

^ gsteph of course I told them, along with everyone else I had been in contact with. The second I got a symptom I isolated in a guest room out of sheer caution (especially knowing the places I had been) and the moment the result came in I quarantined offsite for almost two weeks. My wife and kids did not get it, which we know because they've since been through multiple rounds of testing.

This is why Im still avoiding the clubs. Just been to one AMP that wasnt a revolving door of people...

Florida gets the hate because the leaders dont pander to the wacked out MSM

When it’s all said and done, I wonder how Florida and Texas will compare to certain places like Colorado. Colorado was shut down longer than the other two, and “officially” bars are closed again.

But it turns out Colorado has a very lenient definition of what a restaurant is—offering frozen microwaveable food allows it to be a restaurant—so most places in practice aren’t actually closed. And I wouldn’t be surprised if it turns out later that bars net less overall shut down days. But of course, it’s still too early to make such declarations. Out of curiosity, I might start a timeline of multiple states, if somebody hasn’t done it already. I suspect it’s places like Wyoming that’s been the most lenient of all.

Which doesn’t detract from the main point of Florida being a great state. I could have seen myself enjoying it if I had ended up settling in the Orlando or Tampa area. 😁

Am I on ignore yet?

So, @Dugan, you may have been an asymptomatic carrier for some period, and yet you're on here stating that masks are unnecessary. Luckily you didn't infect your family, but it's possible you infected some friend (if you have any) or a colleague. There's evidence that antibodies fade in a matter of weeks. Do you plan to modify your behavior?

I'd be interested to know if you have any lingering trouble with shortness of breath?

Cocoa Beach Spice. Inland Florida is like oklahoma, ocean rules.

Commenting on the children and spouses of fellow posters would be an embarrassment to even a cretin.

Let me say not to matter whether I like you or not I’m glad you did ok it would have been terrible if you had infected your family as far as Florida handling the pandemic well I totally disagree we had the opportunity to shut it down but out governor Trumps mini me deferred all responsibility to the cities and counties leaving a mush mash of conflicting rules in place I predict he loses the next election

@ Skibum but Tampa has strip clubs and Orlando has top notch hookah lounges. 😝 And cocoa beach isn’t too bad of a drive anyways for all beautiful ocean needs. I would also say Kissimmee but I’ve heard it’s more dangerous there if not with the theme park tourists...?

RM, I don't ignore someone just because they disagree with me, only when they are trolling.

As far as the rest, it's possible that I did. And? It's a contagious virus. Shit happens. I have been actively avoiding close contact with elderly people for some time and the strippers I have fun with are young, so anyone i might have infected has doubtless long recovered too.

And yes I've modified my behavior, by having more fun than ever. I don't buy into the notion that this virus is such a unique creature that anti-body immunity to it functions differently than it does for almost every other virus in existence. The "evidence" you referenced is highly disputed by more recent studies.

No lingering shortness of breath. In fact I've been back in the gym for over a week now.

@25, I'll quote you on that DeSantis prediction a year from now. Needless to say, I disagree. ;)

I have to agree with Mr Dugan on this topic. Gov Desantis has gotten a lot of criticism with his handling of Covid. But all from the liberal media. His approval rating down here in the State of Florida has never been higher.

Prediction on the 2024 Presidential battle. Cuomo Vs Desantis.

And Curry is the next Gov after DeSantis...

6 Who is Curry?

Curry is the Republican Mayor of Jacksonville.

I didn't realize that I don't really keep up with J-ville politics.

The MSM hates Florida because we dont vote stupid like Illinois and New York. We elected leaders like DeSantis, Scott, Bush, and Rubio and reap the benefits of these leaders, while the stupid states deceive, confuse, and obfuscate the failures of their democrat party hacks.

DeSantis understands that lockdowns cost lives too. Suicides, untreated medical conditions leading to death, domestic virus, drug overdoses and violent crime all surge when you starve people of the ability to earn a living and contact with others.

For a while there it seemed that Newsom in CA understood this too and said as much, but unlike DeSasntis, Newsom did not have the courage to see it through. Perhaps if Newsom had constituents with a little more grit and awareness, he could of stuck to his guns as well, but instead he rolled over for fear that media would pin every single new COVID death on him.

that would be "domestic violence" lol

FL isn't a success. It needs to shut down.

Have you ever been east of Colorado in the last 5 years or are you making a statement based in something you read somewhere? Btw sort of a rhetorical question, no need to answer we already know.

Its an example of private sector greed and right wing denial

Yeah an example of uneployment rates below the national average where people can afford to pay their bills and arent living scared of foreclosure.

Irony of pistola's last statement that FL was a foreclosure capital just over 10 years ago.

Let's see who was governor then... oh, look, a RINO - Charlie Christ!

Gam that's apples and bananas. 10 years ago people lost their houses because of their own choices - they bought above their means and many of them voluntarily walked away when their houses went heavily underwater. Today the foreclosures will be the result of government preventing people from earning a living and willingly destroying employers' businesses. It's a very different animal when it's done to you by the government instead of through your own actions.

How did you notify your "close contacts " at the clubs?

The reason FL, TX , NM are peaking / surging now...... air conditioning and people indoors.

It does NOT readily spread outdoors.

And @rick.... glad you're ok. I agree with your assessment of the virus and I too plan to live life.

Seems like you just have to let it blow through

Wow Rick, I know from your previous posts that you weren't concerned but IMO you're still lucky that you skated through your bout with the virus. There is so much bad information out there and so many unknown things about it, it seems that it affects different people in different ways and not just the differences between healthier young and older people with issues.

@Aham: Thank you for the kind thoughts.

@Muddy: Unless the death rates spike, I think that DeSantis is looking to do just that - let it blow through while isolating the most vulnerable. It's a political gamble for sure, but he seems pretty confident that we can weather it while minimizing casualties. We shall see, but it's clear by now that the shutdowns didn't get rid of this, but just delayed the inevitable. We can't stay shut down forever, so IMHO sooner or later more states are going to have to embrace a similar model.

@TheeOSU: True, but we are getting crystal clear reporting from the FL Department of health as to what is happening here, including demographic stats for deaths, in a state of 22 million people. Truth be told I wasn't worried. I am not elderly and do not have a laundry list of co-morbidities, so even if I got hit a little harder than I did I was not at much risk of dying. Most of the more dramatic stories out there involving younger people are one-offs.

@Aham5144 people indoors could be. I don't really buy the air conditioning angle. The air has to go through filters blowers etc. and a/c pulls moisture out of the air which would reduce droplets, and the air intake filters on air conditioners are better than a lot of the "masks" I see people using. I could see being indoors at place with bad ventilation and stagnant air being worse than air conditioner. Unless maybe someone is sitting in front of the vent blowing the air into room and coughing and sneezing.

Icey, that melodramatic nonsense was exactly what I was talking about. At some point we have to stop being afraid of the notion that more people are going to get it or else we'll be frozen in place forever because it's clear now that this isn't going away.

ICUs run at 90% capacity even in the best of times because because maintaining excess ICU space is prohibitively expensive. We have plenty of surge capacity if it is needed.

What color jumper you wearing today Icey?

Well, glad your case was mild. Glad it didn't spread to your family.

And I hope if you did pass it on to some youngin, they don't pass it on to anyone less young or lucky.

May the luck be with you. Cause chance does not favor all.

@rick: glad to hear you're doing OK. My neighbor came down with the 'rona (nurse in her 30's) and she said it was like having seasonal allergies during the time of the year when she usually didn't get them. Said having to quarantine from her family and missing work were the worst part of it. I'm glad we have the governor we have, given what a train wreck the other choice was.

From what I understand, before 'rona hospitals were trying to run in the low 90% capacity range just to stay in business.

@nicespice: it would be awesome to have you back this way! Lately, I've started to notice all of the hooka bars around that I've never paid attention to and wondered if it was one of the ones that you had visited when you were in town.

gSteph, thank you for the kind thoughts.

As far as the rest, I get it, but spread is inevitable now. It's been 4 months with no end in sight. Human beings are social creatures. Lockdowns and heavy social distancing have a shelf life and more and more people are tiring of it, especially the young.

As I said above...at some point we have to stop being afraid of the notion that more people are going to get it or else we'll be frozen in place forever, because it's clear now that this isn't going away. every state is eventually going to have to embrace a more realistic model, which will likely include continuing to protect the vulnerable while letting others take their chances.

@desert: I am long since recovered, but thank you for you kind wishes. The worst of my symptoms was losing my sense of smell/taste for the better part of a week. it's the weirdest damned thing too. It's not a complete absence of scent, but rather an odd tangy scent in the back of the nose that became the only thing I smelled for days.

The fact that people are forced to work in these conditions and spread the virus is sick. But hey you guys should have tuscl day at Disney World

Spoken like a true lazy socialist millenial looking for the government to kiss the boo boo and make everything better.

I've had a job that takes me into ICU's on a regular basis for over 20 years. The ICU in a hospital and the trauma ER situations are a hospital's bread and butter. It is rare that I see more than 1 or 2 empty ICU beds in normal times at any given hospital. While they may be empty, they were just emptied and getting ready for the next "victim".

Hospitals are just like any business. They don't make money by being empty. Truth is, the hospitals were less busy during Covid only times than I had ever seen them. Now they are not under that limitation almost everywhere so they are reaching capacity like they normally would. The press just loves to make everything sound worse than it is in actuality.

Ooooooh yeah! I love a big strong Floridian like you ricky

How in the world is DeSantis so effective without hasting daily four hour Coronavirus updates on MSNBC? I mean it's impossible for a Governor to manage the epidemic without daily four hour press conferences on a major news outlet. Impossible I tell ya!

^ He’s afraid to hog the spotlight his mentor gets angry if he’s not the center of attention

At least he's not an embarrassing ass clown like the killer of the elderly Andrew "piece of shit" Cuomo. Fuck New York.

===> "you mean... dare i say it.. you could not smell or taste the pussy?"

Nah desert. I may be a dog but I'm not a snake. I wouldn't knowingly expose a girl to it, so no fun for me while I was quarantined.

Total cases in Florida have increased by 83,057, up 87%, the last week. Currently, 78.7% of all hospital beds and 81.4% of ICU beds are occupied. One week ago it was 80.3% of all hospital beds and 83.5% of all ICU beds occupied. So, at the same time there has been a big jump in cases, hospitalizations have stabilized and even dropped slightly. They would drop even more but recently recovered elderly patients are being held in hospitals instead of being put back in nursing homes. Florida has been cautious about putting still possibly sick patients back into nursing homes since the beginning of the epidemic because they might infect other nursing home residents and this has turned out to be a good idea. It has a lower death rate than states like New York that didn't do that.

I'd like to also point out that the epidemic in Florida is confined mainly to the area where Gore and the Democrats felt they could easily cheat and not in republican areas.

It normally takes two weeks to go from hospitalization to death. This was found to be the amount of time when the disease first hit New York. Hospitalizations have been increasing for longer than that in Florida and other sunbelt states without major increases in deaths. New York had 600 plus deaths a day at its peak but Florida isn't close to that. Death counts for this disease are also inflated. Hospitals are given money by the federal government for each coronavirus patient so they classify people who died with coronavirus as deaths by coronavirus. For example, one Florida guy died in a motorcycle accident and was classified as a coronavirus death because he had coronavirus at the time of his death : fox35orlando.com

@Rickdugan, Did you have problem with breathing?

@Dark. None at all. My only symptoms were a low grade fever for 2 days and then losing my sense of smell/taste for most of a week. Other than that nothing. I was even able to work my normal long hours while I was in quarantine.

Go suck more dick icey and cry about the shame you brought your parents.

The federal government is classifying the deaths of patients infected with the coronavirus as COVID-19 deaths, regardless of any underlying health issues that could have contributed to the loss of someone's life.

Dr. Deborah Birx, the response coordinator for the White House coronavirus task force, said the federal government is continuing to count the suspected COVID-19 deaths, despite other nations doing the opposite.

"There are other countries that if you had a pre-existing condition, and let's say the virus caused you to go to the ICU [intensive care unit] and then have a heart or kidney problem," she said during a Tuesday news briefing at the White House. "Some countries are recording that as a heart issue or a kidney issue and not a COVID-19 death.

"The intent is ... if someone dies with COVID-19 we are counting that," she added.

Asked whether the numbers could skew data the government is trying to collect, Birx said that would mostly apply more to rural areas where testing isn't being implemented on a wide scale.

foxnews.com

@ime. IcyLoco is just another uneducated simpleton with an ideological agenda. You’ll never convince them that their ideological hatred is based on anything except stupidity.

I’ve said before that arguing with incomplete and inaccurate data is futile. And all the currently existing data is both incomplete and inaccurate.

As for @docsavage’s example of intentionally skewed deaths, it could be considered anecdotal and yours could be discounted as non-specific comments “taken out of context” but I previously posted about the state of Colorado being caught intentionally inflating the numbers by nearly 30%:

tuscl.net

“You simply can’t do meaningful analysis based on incomplete or “questionable” data and ALL the numbers floating around are known to be bad. Garbage in/garbage out. The US numbers are maybe more transparent and arguably more accurate than other places but they are still NOT good numbers. For instance, the State of Colorado was caught red handed inflating the number of Covid–19 dead. They weren’t caught by some investigative journalist but by a doctor who discovered that some State employed bureaucrat changed the cause of death to Covid-19 on a death certificate that he had already signed. So from 15 May Colorado has now been reporting deaths “from” Covid-19 separately from deaths of people “with” Covid-19 but who died from something else. ( covid19.colorado.gov ). The discrepancy prior to being caught? They were inflating the number of Covid-19 deaths by about 30%. I hope no one would argue that 30% is a rounding error.”

Florida's death rate of cases vs. death has gone from nearly 6% when I stated checking it back 2-3 months ago to 1.46% as I just checked on the most recent TRUST-ABLE update sites.
USA at 3.77% World at 4.22%

Hot weather?

Just read this: daily death toll in Florida is about the same as entire EU, even though EU has 20x the polulation of Florida.

Do you understand English @Mr_O? The case fatality rate doesn't tell you the number of people who are actually dying per unit time. Florida has about the same number of people dying per day as the entire EU

Randumb, over 600K people have died from COVID in the EU. The death rates per 100,000 people are currently 67.99 in the UK, 60.82 in Spain and 57.95 in Italy. By comparison, less than 5,000 people have died in FL, which has a death rate per 100k of 22.

Man you really do keep working hard to live down to your nickname.

The current number of deaths per day in Florida is about the same as the number of deaths per day In the entire EU. Yes or no

It gives you a snapshot of how badly Florida is doing.

It's irrelevant. We are at a different point in the spread. The only proper apples to apples comparison is to look at the numbers over the course of the pandemic.

But here's something else much more relevant to consider: NY had 410k confirmed cases with 32k deaths. We have already had 327k cases, yet only 4,800 deaths. Why do you think that is?

Further to the point about using proper reference timeframes, do you really think this is over for the EU and our northern states? It took almost two months after FL re-opened before it seriously flared back up and most of those EU countries are still in various phases of lockdowns or have recently re-opened. What do you think is going to happen to them once they normalize again?

I have to say Randumb that you would benefit from looking at this with a wider lens. We can't stay locked down forever and eventually we need a more realistic model. FL, TX and others have just embraced this reality sooner. Heck if the northern states don't do the same soon they are going to start having trouble funding basic services.

I'll tell you what's irrelevant: the stupid and ill-defined case- or infection- fatality rates that @BabyDick and @Mr_O keep citing. Who cares -- the number of people who die per unit time is the only thing that matters.

I'm sure you've looked at the curves for the US and the EU and both peaked about mid-march. But the US chose to open things up before the curve really flattened and we're paying the price now. As I said, having a daily per-capita death rate in Florida 20x that of the entire EU is nothing to brag about. The death totals won't be known for a long time.

Will the EU flare up again? I don't know, but taking reasonable steps with masks, social distancing, tracing, etc may help. The EU is doing much better than we are and at this point and we're pitied by the rest of the world for our cartoonish lack of leadership.

The virus is hitting different parts of the US at different times. Florida's highest single day death total is 156. New York state's is 1,025. There are 6 European countries with worse records than the US.

^ Any way you slice it the tallest midget is still short. This is not an acceptable way of dealing with the pandemic.

===> "This is not an acceptable way of dealing with the pandemic."

Hey 25, when you have a solution that doesn't involve widespread economic carnage, social misery that grows exponentially the longer it goes on, irreparable losses of educational instruction for millions of children (especially the poor and special needs) and untold deaths from other untreated medical conditions, please let us know.

I think that DeSantis is encouraged enough by the low death rates to allow this to run its course, girly squeals of the much overused word "pandemic" notwithstanding. He sees what is happening with the economic, state budget and social fallout in places like NY, NJ and CA and doesn't want FL to suffer the same fate. FL is still a long way from healthy again, but it is in an enormously better position than most of the blue states right now. As long as FL can continue to manage the death rates to a reasonably low number, I agree with him.

You keep on deluding yourself, IDGAF what happens to you, and your family is your problem. Insanity is doing the same thing and expecting different results, it also shows how little regard you have for your children and wife, you just keep putting them at risk, one day your luck is going to run out, I feel bad for those people that will be suffering the consequences of your action. Unfortunately it's going to be someone who trusted you to keep them safe, you will need to live with that I won't.

I do indeed care about my family. I care that my children won't lose almost a whole year of academic instruction. I care that my wife will be able to get treatment for something non-COVID related because the hospitals are once again performing "elective" procedures. I care that my family is emotionally healthy once again because their lives have gone back to normal.

The person who is deluding himself is you 25. You're so scared of this thing that you have tunnel vision, unable to see the broader ramifications of things like lockdowns. it's a somewhat normal fear reaction, but kinda' sad to see play out like this in a grown man.

About as stupid as we've come to expect from RickiBoi

Sure 25, call someone else stupid because he isn't pissing in his Depends like you are. Ok old man. 😉

I call it as I see it if stupid fits that's how I'll call it

Whatever helps you feel a little bit like a man while you cope with your girly panic. ;)

You like to troll don't you, but hell we know it's not a good day for you, until someone actually puts you in your place, which is getting tiresome.

OK 25, a troll calling somebody else a troll and then making such an oddly delusional comment is also getting tiresome. And please don't respond with some version of "that's what you are but what am I?" like you are sometimes apt to do when you get your panties in a twist. Disagreement on matters is a natural result of personality differences, but the way you tend to cope with it leaves much to be desired.

To all the media fools above, Anyone can believe what every they wish. CDC, I trust them less than 0%. They don't collect their data, they simply compile others data, which is flawed. A simple quick example. A lady I know well when to get tested. After waiting over 2 hours she was pissed and just left. She later received a letter stating she tested positive. Another testing center tested 86 people, ALL positive. On further inception, it was SIX. You really think these are isolated incidents? If so I have some wonderful land to sell you in SW Florida, Cheap to!

FL is now seeing some positive sings that the curve might be leveling off. Our case count peaked a week ago, positivity rates have leveled off and yesterday's death count dropped below 100 for the first time in five days.

The only downside is that this leveling off seems to coincide (factoring incubation periods and 10 day delays in turning around testing results) with FL re-closing its bars. That does not fare well for some of the strip clubs in our state as DeSantis may see keeping bars closed for an extended length of time to be a small price to pay to keep everything else open.

that was "signs" not "sings" lol

Relly I made a relevant on topic post stated that I don't agree that this crisis was handled well at all, no attack on you was made, you had every right to respond if you disagreed, that's not where the trolling part came in

Hey 25, when you have a solution that doesn't involve widespread economic carnage, social misery that grows exponentially the longer it goes on, irreparable losses of educational instruction for millions of children (especially the poor and special needs) and untold deaths from other untreated medical conditions, please let us know.

At that point you became an attack troll so fuck you RickiBoi quit the aw shucks routine we all know you are no Beaver Cleaver

Just to make the point the way you describe it is excellent but you forget to mention that DeSantis is the Governor and there are many things that he could do to mitigate the, "widespread economic carnage, social misery that grows exponentially the longer it goes on, irreparable losses of educational instruction for millions of children (especially the poor and special needs) and untold deaths from other untreated medical conditions,"

All he needs to do is follow the guidelines of the federal government, they have a bunch of solutions up on their website that he is not doing so please spare us your false narrative.

===> "All he needs to do is follow the guidelines of the federal government, they have a bunch of solutions up on their website that he is not doing so please spare us your false narrative."

Really? Like what? Assuming you are not advocating shutdowns, what would you like Emperor DeSantis to do to stop an invisible contagious virus from spreading?

Make masks mandatory so poor folks that need to work in retail businesses aren't put in the position of having to enforce rules put in place by a patchwork of different jurisdictions that would be a start, instead he and Trump are busy pandering to those folks that complain about infringing on their freedom, there's more but that would be a good start, BTW it's useless to have rules in one place and be different from rules elsewhere that's how you start infringing on peoples freedom to move around, not on their freedom to not give a shit whether they spread this infection.

Floriduh fatal motorcycle crash listed as COVID-19 death.

fox35orlando.com

I'm confused 25. Aren't all the major metropolitan hotspots in FL already imposing masks requirements for indoor activities, including Dade (covering Miami), Duval (Jacksonville), Broward, Palm Beach, Hillsborough (covering Tampa) and Orange (covering Orlando) counties? Isn't the same being done by most of the major retailers statewide?

What additional material benefit would be gained by imposing these requirements upon sparsely populated FL counties with extremely low transmission risks and rates? Remember that this is a very large and diverse state and the vast bulk of all of our COVID cases are coming from the small number of more densely populated counties identified above.

Is there something important that you see falling through the cracks with the county orders?

And why do you have an issue with just simplifying this and making it applicable across the board, I have been in two separate places where some retard insisted on trying to enter a store insisting it was his right to enter and it took three store employees getting too close for comfort at Costco to make the non masked idiot leave, and the other store was a local mom and pop, that shouldn't have had to deal with this, why are you so obstinate, what is your fucking problem, besides the fact that you just want to fight with everybody out of boredom, let the highest ranking authority issue those orders and eliminate the confusion.

===> "And why do you have an issue with just simplifying this and making it applicable across the board"

Because, as a general principle, we should not desire that our government go beyond what is absolutely necessary whenever it must exert unusual control over our activities. We have 67 counties in FL, only a handful of which are the source of our statewide COVID numbers. What is appropriate in Dade or even Duval counties is not necessarily needed or enforceable in a rural county with natural distancing and minimal spread risk.

I am very pleased that DeSantis has been judicious in his use of executive authority. Some of the shit that was happening in other states, including prohibitions on caring for lawns, closing of certain sections of big box stores for perceived fairness reasons, and other egregious stunts was ludicrous. You can tell a lot about the character of a person by how quick or reluctant they are to try to micromanage the personal behaviors of others and DeSantis' reluctance to do that speaks well of him.

It's way past obvious you just never get tired of being on the wrong side of any issue no matter how trite.

^ That's really all you have in response to all of that? I'm on the side of the angels btw. ;)

^ Nah you wouldn't be trolling you wouldn't do that would you?

rickdugan,

"^ That's really all you have in response to all of that?"

That could fallow EVERY twentyfive post. :)

Don't worry friend, most folks are well aware of your limitations, we promise not to wave at you when you climb up that tree.