The Fucking Foyer Leech

I agree. As a rookie and as a 30 yr experienced monger, I have always preferred to be left alone until I've sat down with a drink. If she's luckily already my type I might not mind, but usually my type doesn't hustle this way.

Sugar Doll I can't stand it. In fact I made a rule for myself to not reward this behavior. When I walk in the club if I get assaulted like that there is zero chance we are going VIP. I don't care how she looks and it's just a big red flag for high hustle. From my recollection the entrance of Sapphires in Vegas is like walking through a gauntlet of these types of girls. Annoying.

THANK YOU. Yes, they no longer allow that at Sapphire but I never understood it anyway, it’s lazy to me to stand there. ‘Not rewarding this behavior’ is music to my ears.

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I'm not a fan of the door vultures. I have, from time to time, taken them up on the tour offer to check out the club, when I'm brand new to the club. I am a pretty experienced PL, so they are not able to sell me anything else.

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Agreed I totally hate it. It sucks that it can be effective in the short term. I think some of it is for the reasons already stated (guys being to spineless to say no) but there is also something to guys being extra attracted to whoever they see first, or the guys who aren't super picky and will latch onto whoever they talk to first.

@PSD - I think you're supposed to say that you are "Smashing that like button!".

The ONLY thing that pisses me off more than this is when the LEECH brings her less attractive (often just fat) friend with her to try to double team me. It's a high pressure push to make me pay double for half the value. I shoo those trolls away in a hurry... I'm not rude. No need to risk a psycho chick lying to a bouncer to get me thrown out - or worse.

Unlike all of you I immediately accept her offer for the most expensive VIP room or whatever the fuck she's selling. I can't really hate, because I then do it to girls as they leave the club, which by the way they love. Birds of a feather.

Hahaha yeah I've complained multiple times that I hate working at clubs that it seems like one of the main ways to make money is for girls to hang out by the door and beeline for whoever walks in. The worst is when it is a lot of vultures and they literally race each other to get to the one dude who just walked in. I don't understand how people even make money at clubs like this. Or at least I can't force myself to compete with that so I just move on.

I call these things door vultures and they can be spotted frequently in Vegas at SR or CH3. 3 ways I deal with them:

1. Be polite and direct and just say ‘No offense, but I don’t fuck with gals that stalk the front door.’ Sometimes they get uppity, IDK.

2. Walk straight to the restroom, he’ll even ask them where it is, even if you don’t have to go. There is a 50-50 chance they will be waiting when you come out at which point you can tell them that the restroom was a nice way of saying no thanks.

3. Walk to bar and order a drink. When bartender asks if you’d like to buy the girl a drink or she tries to order something, shut it down and tell her you didn’t invite her over, then point out a hottie and ask the girl if she knows what that hotties name is?

Gotta ditch these DVs fast!

This is really rude behavior. But it must work often enough that clubs that don’t give a shit about providing a good experience tolerate it.

—>“The worst is when it is a lot of vultures and they literally race each other to get to the one dude who just walked in. I don't understand how people even make money at clubs like this. Or at least I can't force myself to compete with that so I just move on.”

I’m not going to even mention what club I was thinking of when you said that 😂 —— I personally find the practice distasteful, but I won’t argue against its effectiveness.

Like most good baseball players, I almost always take the first pitch before taking a swing.

I'm not a fan of the door vulture strippers either. My first few strip club visits were marred with them, so I didn't return for years after that; just as you suggested. At this point in my "career" they bother me a lot less. At clubs I visit frequently, that sort of behavior isn't common. When it does crop up, I shut it down quickly with a rapid ramp up from a polite "no thank you, I don't want to waste your time, I'm here to see " to "leave me the fuck alone"

At clubs that are new to me, I'm not above wasting their time. "Sure, I'd love a tour" but I'm not buying drinks for them, and unless they really, really, impress during that tour I'm not buying dances or rooms. I can't recall even a single instance where I've spent anything on a door vulture, once I learned that wasn't how strip clubs worked after those first two visits or so. I'll take a 10 minute tour, get the run down on dance/room prices, then do a variation of what was mentioned earlier: Head to the bar or a table and ask the vulture the name of a hotter dancer I saw while we were on our tour, then ask the bartender or waitress if she can invite her over for a drink when she's free.

I figure the best way to squash the behavior is to help make it non-profitable. Taking the tour then blowing her off comes at little cost to me, I was gonna sit down and look around for a few minutes anyway.

Many of my bad SC experiences come from Door Leeches. That’s an appropriate title for that kind of behavior. It’s not always easy to shed them without being rude. I don’t mind getting approached by a dancer but after I have had a chance to check out the place and get a drink. Being offered a tour of a new club can be useful, but again after I have had a few minutes to check out the talent, I like to pick my tour guide.

I go during the day to a club that has an entry area where the cover is collected at night. During the day, one dancer in particular sits in that area and asks you for a dance before you even enter the club itself. It is quite the turnoff, even though I really don't dislike this particular dancer. I don't get dancers from her anymore, but she still asks each time I come.

Ugh... these are the worst! But, it's a numbers game and those girls gotta eat too, I guess... I don't know about other clubs, but the main offender in mine does it because she knows she won't stand a chance if the poor victims get a look at the rest of the menu. It reeks of desperation, but so many guys are just so darn nice that it keeps the practice alive. 🤷‍♀️

@Upright and PinkSugar - I was recently at Sapphire in Vegas. While there were no door vultures per se, there were girls standing at the bottom of the stairs as you walk into the floor area. The manager would take you in and introduce you to a girl who who was standing there expectantly while showing you to a table. The girl would then latch onto you and sit with you at the table. It wasn't a door vulture assault, but it was a forced intro of sorts as the manager just took you whatever girl happened to be next in line. I don't know if this was a normal thing or not, but I think I've read other Sapphire reviews of this happening to other customers.

My firm and fast rule for 30 years is: The first dancer who approaches when I first walk in is off the list forever. Always a terrible experience. Jac at Sapphires just tell the "host" you do not want copmpany un til you unwind and please do not introduce me to any dancers.

PSD, I'm not a fan of door vultures either, but I've rarely encountered it in the clubs I've gone to in last 10 years. The times that I encountered it(early tuscl and pre tuscl days), I'd shut it down with a "no thanks". The 1 positive experience I had with a "DV" happened ~ 12 years ago at BSC- Phoenix. A hot buxom brunette latched on to my arm saying "we need to go to VIP." She caught me in a unicorn mood as I was fresh from a disappointing visit at another club and was "ready." I later found out that she was a porn star in iafd.com data base, and had done a few magazine spreads. Door vultures have hardly registered on my Richter Scale, but a close cousin of Door Vulture is the drink vuture. During the 6 years I visited SR-COI, waitress would follow me back into the cubicle and hit me up for a dancer drink. Happened every frigging time, regardless of crowd level. I said "no thanks" every time. I hate the blatant hustle to squeeze extra $$ out of you every time you turn around.

At my first meeting with OG nicespice she door vultured me. I didn't mind. As my eyes adjusted to the darkness a perfect 10 beauty came into view. 🦄😍

If I remember correctly I guess I door vultured nicespice at Tootsies early last year 🦅

Yeah I have noticed that most girls who hustle the absolute hardest do it because they sure couldn't compete otherwise. Sure hustling is part of the job, but I do think sometimes it can be taken too far and keep some customers from wanting to return.

”I hate the blatant hustle to squeeze extra $$ out of you every time you turn around.”

That sentence of Minnows sums up why I sometimes stay home when I otherwise might be inclined to club. I’m there to spend money so I don’t mind that. And I’m a grown up so I can easily say no to the hustles of any sort. But it’s the volume of hustles, for large dollars and small amounts. For fuck sake, I’m out to relax and have fun. And I spend money for that reason. Getting pounced on just gets old and makes me think of other ways to seek fun.

The women who have to do this are almost always women I don't want to spend time or money with.

I firmly but politely tell them that I don't need their company.

Smash that like button SugarDoll! I hate this too.

Muddy's system to vulture them on their way out of the club is not a bad idea!

If they are rude I may dump a load in their basement. I make the shit truck is full after a hard day of work when I go to the club 😁😎

"Fucking Foyer Leech" is a gret term for them. That should be added to the glossary. I think most TUSCLers automatically write off dancers for that behavior. Common sense would tell even a rookie club-goer that there is something wrong with a dancer that resorts to that behavior. Besides, they are usually waaaaay unattractive in looks and personality.

@skibum - thanks for the tip!

Front room feel up, Front room makeout session.

Best if the guy selects and approaches the girl himself. But if the girl approaches, that is not wrong. It just means that the guy needs to decide quickly.

And always in P4P venue, first thing to do is to get your girl off script, so that you are now the one driving it.

SJG

^^^^^ And it is reported that in some clubs girls are now getting beyond the front door, and even giving sidewalk broad daylight handshakes.

But the same principles about how to handle this apply all the more. Guy has got to decide quickly. And if it is yes, then he takes the lead and gets the girl off script.

Might even just head off with her to a motel without going back into the club.

SJG

WTF ????

You got the girl outside, so a Side Walk Makeout Session then is not out of the question.

SJG

If a dancer is meeting a customer, she SHOULD meet him at the door IMO. That’s not a FFL (Fucking Foyer Leech). That’s a polite dancer. Sometimes it’s hard to get your eyes to adjust when you come into a club and sometimes just the nature of a dark room could make it hard to see where she is. The customer also may sit down and then be bothered by girls he has no intention of dancing with because he’s meeting someone, or worse, be harassed by the FFL.

If your customer is meeting you, you SHOULD wait for him by the front door so he doesn’t have to hassle with any of that bullshit.

Imo.

FLF, if the girl is outside and engaging with you, its just like inside. Don't start a discussion with her about kissing, just demonstrate charm and generosity.

Don't try a sidewalk feel up, as that would generally amount to lewd conduct in a public place, a crime.

But back yourself up against a wall for safety, and see if she will follow you and let you embrace her.

This is where practiced charm can really pay off.

SJG

Years ago a dancer at the Greenville SC Platinum Plus tried that on me. That is the largest club that I have ever been in and I let her give me a guided tour of the whole club. When she was done she tried to sell me on a $600 VIP room visit. I just no thanks and blew her off.

Doncha love pay backs?

^^^^ I wouldn't try this in Tijuana, 'cause people write about sidewalk vigilantes, and then the real cops might not be that much different.

But the places I have heard of strippers getting out beyond the front door in the US are NOLO Bourbon St., and San Francisco North Beach, Broadway and Columbus.

She will be trying to get you to come inside and buy dances. Decide if she is one you want to be waking up in the mornings with. If the answer is yes, then demonstrate generosity charm and see if you can lead her by the hand as you back yourself up against a wall.

SJG

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Strip clubs are a different-animal and kinda play by different rules from most things in society - and why newbie custies are often easy-prey in such an environment.

In most social-settings one is conditioned to be polite and attentive to a person, especially a man towards a woman - and in the strip-club many dancers often exploit this angle - most inexperienced custies are gonna react as they would in a "normal" social-setting b/c that is mostly their (perhaps only) frame-of-reference, so they don't know how to react (e.g. the infamous "tour of the club" - most inexperienced custies will see it as a club-employee (dancer) being polite and going-out-of-her-way to be friendly and provide customer-service - where in reality it's a pure sales-pitch/hustle 99% of the time).

The door-vuluturing is bad for both custies and the good dancers - they both get cock-blocked from each other (the vultures cock-block the PL from the other dancers, and the vultures cock-block the other dancers from the custy).

Strip clubs are often the wild-wild-West and everyone is often left to fend for themselves (custies, dancers) - and this is where many of the unscrupulous actors are able to operate since there is a "power vacuum" per se - i.e. it seems only the club is the one that is able to set a particular tone/vibe for what type of behavior is tolerated - the more hands-off management/ownership is, the more stuff people will try to get away with (this can be bad or good).

@PinkSugarDoll Absolutely! I want my fave at my side (or preferably sitting on my crotch) as soon as I arrive.

Papi, so decide if you want to be waking up with her in the mornings. And you will have to decide fast.

If the answer is yes, take the lead and get her off script. Make it like you had selected and approached her. Demonstrate generosity and charm.

The more forward she is being with you, the more forward you can likely be with her.

SJG

Off the top of my PL-head, I can't recall a club where door-vulturing was typical (although I've read about it in reviews over time - e.g. I recall someone mentioning it in the past w.r.t. Treasures in Houston particularly at the height of this club pre-2013 raid) - some clubs seem to be more competitive than others (e.g. clubs with a ton of custies but also a ton of dancers seem to often have a more competitive-environment that often leads to "anti-competitive practices" per se).

What I see more common than door-vulturing is dancers "attacking" custies as soon as they sit down - I'd call these "lap vultures" - they don't ask if you'd like company nor even the "wanna dance", they just force themselves onto your lap uninvited as soon as you come in and sit-down and haven't had a chance to even look around nor order a drink nor even take a damn breath LOL - I find it uncomfortable dancers plumping down on me/my-lap b/c it feels like forced-interaction that I may either not want from her, or not want at that moment - I see many PLs in the club letting a dancer sit-on-them and talk them up and interact w/ them even if they (PL) know they are not interested in her from the get-go and eventually turn her down - I "assume" some PLs do this b/c they feel uncomfortable shooing-away a dancer,and some do it to get some free time w/ a dancer - these days I avoid letting a dancer I'm not interested-in sit on me although some sneak in b/f I'm able to "defend the paint" - the way I see it I don't wanna waste my time nor waste theirs (many dancers get pissy if one lets them talk you up for a while and then you pass, but many seem to get as pissy if not more when they aren't even given the chance).

I recall about 5-years ago I went into my local black-dive on a late-afternoon after a long-day and just wanted to unwind for a bit and eventually get some dances - anyway I go in and sit at a table and literally even b/f my butt was fully-placed on the chair I already has a dancer backing up onto my lap (I literally was not even fully-seated) - I was so frustrated (it had been a long-day) that I just put out my forearm out "like a power-forward defending the block" and blocked her from sitting on me - she said I was rude and I could've handled-it more "diplomatically" but she wasn't being diplomatic herself.

Outdoor vulturing has been reported on NOLO Bourbon Street, and at SF Broadway and Columbus, the three small no alcohol DV's, 20's, Eden, Darlings (black). But there are a few other clubs at the intersection as well. The no alcohol places are harder for LE to enforce against, so that is where the off-the-hook girls probably work.

There are also accounts at these 3 SF places of credit card fraud allegations. I think that is because they are getting guys not expecting to go into the strip club, and hence not having the cash. So the idiots hand over their credit cards and let the girls go and make charges. Very stupid.

Again, decide if you want to be waking up with her in the mornings. If yes, demonstrate generosity and charm and get a sidewalk makeout session going.

Then either go in the club with her, or let her get her stuff and check out with you for spending the night wearing out a mattress.

SJG

^^^ twat.

I hate high pressure sales, be it cars, furniture or strippers.

Sidewalk makeout session? Wet dream of an 8th grader who has never, ever, ever been to a strip club.

The "Wanna Dance" Girls are the same type in my opinion. You've just walked in, paid your cover, and got your drink and they ask the Proverbial question, "Wanna Dance ?" At Deja Vu they would come past in a line.

I've heard dancers defending this behavior on the grounds that the door vulture is "jUSt doIng hEr jOb!"

Your job is to annoy paying customers? Nice. Can I have that job? I'd be much better than you at it.

Yeah, lap vultures are almost as bad as door vultures. I've seen more lap vultures than door vultures, but they are both fucking annoying imo. Let the guy get a drink and settle in. Sometimes when you go shopping you don't always know what you want immediately and need to look around- same idea. I won't lie though in some clubs girls have to be aggressive or they won't make anything. So maybe they don't necessarily wanna act like that, but they know if they don't they will leave empty handed or in the negative.

I do think that when a fuckton of girls hop on guys lap's or sit by them as soon as they come in... it just makes the sales harder in my opinion??? At least give him a few minutes to feel needy.

^^^ I'm not a stripper but I agree. Let the dude sit there for 10 minutes looking around, wondering if any strippers are going to approach him. Approach when he's starting to think the girls don't want to talk to him. If you jump on his lap when he walks in his head is gonna get all big thinking he's "got game" or something.

I think vultures are just trying to do their job and make some money. Nothing wrong about that.

It does mean that you do have to decide. Do you want to spend your time and money with her.

If it is a yes, then you just have to slow her down, not for free, but still slowing her down. So you are back to the FRMOS.

SJG

Skibum, I am not the originator of the Sidewalk Makeout Session idea. It comes from someone responding to what he has seen in SF North Beach of the aggressive girls getting beyond the front door.

It is consistent with what I had seen in the seamless flowing between dancers and street hookers in and around SF Pink Diamonds.

It is also consistent with all that is reported of NOLO Mardi Gras. Sure, you can throw beads at a girl. But I can think of better ways to convey them to her.

SJG

I do hate this however, it does seem to work sometimes. My buddy I mentioned in this story...tuscl.net, has issues saying no to one dancer in particular who does this. She is higher mileage than usual for the Denver area and she seems to be somewhat of a door vulture. Every time he goes to the club she works at, he says he will never get dances from that dam vulture again... EVER! And he emphasizes EVER! because she took all his money. Next time he goes he complains about this again because he got dances from her again. He swears she will never get another dollar from him ever again... then the cycle happens again.... and again.... and...

^ lmao sounds like a cheesy sitcom

^ PL House 😂😂😂

^ or Married with Hustlers

tuscl.net

In my AMP experiences, the more forward girls are the ones who deliver the best GFE and who most want outside meetings.

And in our underground circuit, it pretty much the same. The aggressive girls want OTC regulars and they are the most GFE friendly ITC.

You don't know how flexible an aggressive strip club girl is willing to be, until you try her out, try to slow her down. And money and some flattery are likely to help.

No you don't want to let her sell you dances, cause that is a chump's game. But if you like her, getting a FRMOS going could be feasible.

SJG