"What would you charge?"
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One of the first things she said was, "I don't do extras," very defensively. Okay. But in my experience, most girls who work at open minded clubs do them, but everyone says they don't to each other.
So I tell her that's fine and I understand, but I'm looking to go where more mature customers with money are (because where I've been is not cutting it for me - making bare minimum for monthly bills basically). I like working in busy dance factory style clubs.
Then she asked me if *I* do extras. I told her no.
She then asked me, "well, if you did, what would you charge for FS?"
I was taken aback by her question and didn't know how to answer. I wasn't sure if she was prying to see if I actually do them or not or if she was second guessing her own prices (because I do still assume she does them).
I told her if it came to me deciding to be FS, my prices would be on par with the going rates of everyone else at the club, but I would refuse to go below $250 for BJ and $300 for FS. The reviews of this club has such quoted prices in which reviewers claimed to be paying there.
She and I then got into how to negotiate prices with customers.
I'm looking to get a different perspective regarding her question. It surprised me.
Also... What would you have said? And seriously, hypothetically, what would *you* charge if you were a female and did FS? I'm asking because I'm actually curious to see what some of you think is fair.
A lot of the $80-$140 prices I read about on USASG scare me because they seem so low end and a full panel test costs way more than that.
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And so many lies...
On USASG, no guy wants to admit that he paid $400 for a blowjob. They also don't even want to admit to paying the local market rate. When I see guys make pricing claims, I always add $100 to $150 and figure that's in the region of being accurate.
On the dancer side, I'd subtract about $100 to $200 from their claim (or more) on average.
Variables include club, region, and looks.
In Providence, I can go to the Wild Zebra and get everything I want for $200 or so. Sometimes less. But it's going to be with a dancer that is typically referred to as a "slam pig" around here. Or, I can go literally 800 yards up the same road to Club Desire and get the same services from a smokeshow dancer... but I'm (happily) paying twice or more what I'd spend at Wild Zebra.
Years ago, I had a blunt conversation with a dancer at the Cadillac Lounge about this stuff. She told me that she started quoting what she thought was the average local rate, and then started raising her prices until roughly 6 or 7 out of 10 guys took the bait. She figured that weeded out the 3-4 bargain hunters and put her prices at an accurate "market + hotness". It worked for her.
Based on your images, those guys aren't your target audience.
For dancers, I'd look for the average rate if you can. One possible calculation to use is based on average housing costs in the area and divide by four. So $1000 housing translates into $250 for FS. It's not exact by any means, but it's a start.
It all depends on what you're personally willing to do. $100 for FS will definitely get other dancers mad at you, but hey, it might be worth the risk if you can get the volume. Also ITC and OTC prices tend to vary wildly as well.
So in a club where LDs are $30 and a guy finishes from her BJ after 4 songs. he's paying the $80 tip on top of the $120 that he pays for the dances - so she gets $200 for 12 minutes of her time all in. Or if she blew him in a timed room, then she's getting that $80 on top of her share of the room fee.
Net-net these girls are looking at the all or nothing number, not the incremental tip. Makes sense because the girls who don't do extras in clubs where it is common likely aren't selling the rooms or many LDs either.
Let's say I can get 2-3 guys a week. That's $600-900/week. Now how much do I need to make in a month? Let's say I need $3000/month to be comfortable. At my current rate, I'll make $2400-$3600/month on top of lap dancing.
So, I'm probably doing fine if I can get 2-3 guys a week at $300. Now if I can only get 1-2 guys a week, I might lower my price to get more volume. If I'm getting 4-5 guys a week, I might raise my price so I don't have to sleep with as many guys.
I suspect that I've taken as many different girls OTC as anyone on this board and got to know a number of them to varying degrees. They almost universally had reasons for doing so that went beyond covering normal living expenses. Those reasons, some good and some bad, included:
1. Drugs. I try mightily to avoid these girls and dump them the second I realize it, but some hide it well in the beginning.
2. Higher expenses due to children. This includes not only higher housing and food costs, but things like Christmas gifts, back to school shopping, birthdays, etc. Some of my best first time OTC meets have occurred during the few days before Xmas and in school shopping season in August.
3. Savings. Some girls use OTC to beef up their bank rolls. One of my more recent partners rebuffed my advances for months, but then finally relented as she was preparing to take a month long trip around the southern and western parts of the country. Another that has become one of my newest BFFs also swore she would never "sell her ass" but had a change of heart since becoming pregnant and soon to be facing some serious down time. These are two examples, but I could recount dozens if I was motivated enough to try.
4. Flexibility. Some girls use it to supplement their dancing money so that they can work fewer hours. For a variety of reasons, some girls can only easily dance a couple of days per week, yet they still have bills to pay. Targeted OTC allows them to manage their schedules more effectively.
These are just some examples. But if a girl is dancing a lot and still needs to fuck and suck just to cover $30k or less per year in living expenses, then IMHO she's doing it wrong.
It's pretty close to impossible for me as a guy to answer this specific question, because I have a difficult time putting myself in the position of a female in that scenario. As a guy, if she turns me on, I would be willing to do it for free, so basically I would be a very cheap whore for the right customer. On the other hand, it would take a very large sum of money for me to provide service to a woman that repulsed me. And even if the money was right, there is the question of whether physically I would be able to perform for a woman that repulsed me. Even Viagra may not help, as it only enhances physical performance, not libido. Women obviously don't have this problem. A little bit of lube, if necessary, and they can do what is necessary. If I were a female, I can't imagine viewing it any differently, other than the physical performance part. But I guess there is a big middle ground of customers that are not hot but are not repulsive either.
I can speak from experience on what I have found to be average prices in clubs as far north as New Jersey, as far south as south Florida, and as far west as Texas, and they are remarkably consistent. On average blow jobs are $100 to $150 and FS is $150 to $250 (most commonly right around $200). The exact price, of course, depends on the club, the girl, the day of week, time of day, phase of the moon, etc. The lower ends of the ranges are more common in dives to mid-range clubs, and the higher prices obviously more common in the high-end clubs. You will get outliers on both ends of course. On the low end, it’s usually some desperate skank that really doesn’t interest me, and on the high end, a price that says “I really don’t want to do that.” However, almost every girl will ask for at least $50 to $150 more than she is willing to accept. You have to negotiate a little, but usually not much, to get the real price.
These prices are for money to the girl only, not counting house fees, if applicable, but does include situations where there is a per dance house fee or the girl gets a portion of the room fee. In those situations, I try to figure out how much of the room fee she gets or how much she has to pay the house per dance. Just ask and she will usually tell you. After estimating how much she gets from the room fee or will net from the dances, subtract that from the above, and the remainder is the “extra” tip that will satisfy most dancers. I’m pretty sure the dancers view it the same way, because sometime I can see them doing the math in their head while we are discussing it.
Yeah, during the time I worked at an extras club, it shocked me how often I heard girls angrily rant against that kind of thing. More so than the clean clubs I’ve been in 🤔
I haven’t been 100% innocent as a dancer, but I do have a certain minimum and that minimum changes depending on what club I’m at. And the times I’ve agreed, there was a reason other than just simply $$ received anyways.
Your particular numbers are probably the most logical. If I could personally stomach doing extras at those numbers, then I wouldn’t want to be in that kind of weird denial mental state a lot of extras girls seem to be.
I’d likely be in a place like Tootsies or Flight Club and enjoy my 4 figure shift clearing averages. And my blowjobs would be top notch quality, and I’d be bragging anywhere out of earshot of LE. Shame be damned 😈
But ah well, what would the industry be if we weren’t full of shit in some kind of way and looking down on others for (blatantly) behaving different than we do? 😅
This is off topic, but have you considered Texas? Relatively low house fees, lots of foot traffic, $20 dances without club cuts.
Just be prepared for a lot of customers to be aggressive.
Interesting question though, if I was a girl your saying? Men and women definitely don’t feel the same way about sex, if I was getting paid to fuck? I’d be making CRAZY MONEY! But I’m gonna try to put my self in a girls shoes...make that heels. If the guy was atleast clean, smelled good and was friendly/normal not a fucking weirdo why not make him happy? No homo BTW. Girls are just overly sensitive of their peers calling them a slut or whatever. To me I don’t know for sure because I don’t follow them around all day and night. (Only Nicespice in her treehouse right now) but I could definitely see a successful dancer having a small group of regulars that she trusts and take care of her. And that’s it. And you got to spend to be in that circle. I’ve been in that circle with a few girls but I couldn’t say for sure who else was in it. Difficult enough to get in however that I knew it wasn’t damn near everybody. Closer to can count on one hand.
I'm home for the weekend and was talking to people at my home club about PHC and Coliseum closing. There is *so much* slut shaming and whorephobia there.
"All of the dirty whores went to Flight Club to suck some cheap dick."
"They all went to get their STDs at Landing Strip."
"The Penthouse sluts went to Criket to suck some $40 dick."
It was *really* exhausting to be around and listen to. And it made me sad because it was mostly coming from two staff members!
As for Texas, I honestly have never considered it. I heard they require you to be a resident of TX to work (unless that was just for the Superbowl a few years ago?).
Dallas for sure allows outsiders. I know the main difference is out-of-state IDs pay $100 for a license to any club instead of $60.
Austin is a super popular city for travel girls.
San Antonio I’m pretty sure would be okay too for getting hired. But if you’re coming all the way in from Detroit especially, not worth the effort. (Tho I think it’s better than it used to be)
If the guy doesn't show some respect and isn't clean, smells bad, or just overall bad presentation - hell no. Other factors fall into place, too.
And girl to girl, I totally get the mood thing.
Full service prices depend on the visual and physical attraction and chemistry.
As it is... aside from the one half hour VIP room fee in USA clubs i usually tip $100 for an eight to $200 for a girl that is a nine. most of the clubs that I attend in the USA the VIP room fee is about $150-$200 for a half hour and the girl gets at least 50% of that. and i have had some girls that give excellent sex for just the VIP fee and a relatively small tip. bottom line. YMMV. and prices definitely may vary too.
guys. be clean and nice. and don’t be pushy.
She was worth every penny. Hot as fuck, and rivals the girl I called My Favorite Cocksucker a few years back at the head game. Took her time, didn't try to rush, and didn't bitch when I took a long time. Let me push her down, and swallowed every drop.
Outside the club, that's the most I've ever paid.
Of course, that's here, in flyover country.
But just a reality check on this comment:
"...a girl told the reviewer she sucks off about 10 guys in one night. And he paid $80..."
Regardless of what you think of her morals or selectiveness, at that rate she's bringing home $800 per shift above and beyond her normal tipped-out daily pay. If she works 5 nights a week, she's taking an extra $16,000 a month beyond her normal pay. So if you are inclined to experiment, find your sweet spot in the sliding scale between higher prices/fewer guys and lower prices/more guys. If you want to make the same money as this example but only provide for say 2 guys a night, you'll have to charge $400 each guy AND find two guys willing to pay 5 times what the "slam pig" is charging.
And, contrary to other's opinions above, IMHO, hotness only helps out on the floor to initiate negotiations. Once you're in a dark VIP booth and all he sees is the top of your head or your back, looks matter less. For me, getting extras from a provider requires only that she be subjectively hot enough for me to think she can get me off.
I had a regular dancer with whom an hour Champagne Room cost $190 to the house & $200 to the dancer. I’d tip $100 for a BBBJ & BBFS . This quickly turned into $500 per hour at a hotel. I had any complimentary rooms at Hilton and Holiday inn.
She later told me that she had a sliding scale. She had a couple of “hot guys” that she’d have done free but they offered to pay so she’d take a $100. She had a customer, seriously overweight, and she referred to him as smelly Kevin. He was obsessed with her and she’d charge him $600 for a covered BJ. At one point she was meeting 3 regulars, all OTC. I paid $500/hr., the dentist paid $600, and the contractor paid $1000. I paid for out hotel, the other two had her get the room and usually paid some of the cost. These prices are for a dancer who knew how to please. She let me take nude photos, a few video tapes etc.
she told me that the contractor was quite heavy and unattractive. He’d never take his tee shirt off, wanted porn on TV, had some trouble getting it up and she was patient and when he fucked her he stayed on his back and she’d “ do all the work”.
Like anything else, the value of anything is determined by what anyone will pay for it.
As a ballpark-figure, for FS I'd say $100 to $200 for a dive w/ $150 kinda being the median - $150 - $300 for a mid-tier club w/ $200 being the median - and maybe $300 to $500+ for an upscale club where maybe $400 is the median - these are just ballpark figures and of course can vary w/ location and club.
w.r.t. BJs - who knows - for me a $100 tip for a bareback BJ feels adequate - maybe a $50 tip in a low-end club with an avg looking girl and maybe $150 at most in an upscale club w/ a good-looking dancer - that's just what's worth it to me for only a BJ given that finding a dancer that does a good-one IME is more of the exception than the norm and why I am not willing to pay top-dollar.
On the surface, it seems to me that often times the dancers comfortable with doing extras as part of their dancing-job, are not necessarily looking for absolutely top-dollar and may prefer/be-satisfied w/ going-rate and volume and closing out more sales vs holding out for top-offers only - seems most dancers not comfortable with extras feel they gotta get paid overwhelmingly well for it to be worth it to them - does not apply universally of course but kinda a coarse observation.
I'd only need one taker...
Doing fewer than average
Cause I'd be better than average
I think
Funny question
Putting myself in a dancer's shoes I guess I would also want top-dollar to do something I didn't wanna do or that I wouldn't do/like-doing otherwise
There's no "right" way to make the pricing decision. The free market does its thang and we are all subjet to it, for better or for worse.
I think I'd like blowjobs to be in the $25 range. Or, that's what I think at first. But then I think of the girls I've gotten a $25 blow from, and I realize that if the price is that low then the girls are selected by the market dynamics to be rather skanky and disgusting and suddenly I'd rather be getting a $50 blowjob rather than a $25 blowjob. Where I live, and, throughout most of the USA, the days of the $50 blowjob are essentially well over anyway, so my vacillation between $25 and $50 is a mere thought experiment.
IMO a decent rate for full-service in any venue in the USA should be roughly $200, maybe $300 depending on many of the factors listed above. That price I base not as much on customer cost, as on dancer cost. The value-added work that is necessary is worth just about that much, I think. She has to give up a portion of her time, risk a certain amount of disapproval or punishment from law enforcement etc., put herself in some degree of danger from not knowing the business partner, etc.. But beyond that amount, any price higher is simply the girl trying to out-price her competitors for the sake of competing. She doesn't want much business, if she's rather do one hour with full service at $1000 every two or three weeks, as opposed to one or two hours a day with full service at $300 each on whichever days she wishes to work. The GPS she's displaying by over-pricing herself, in fact, doubly motivates me to avoid her.