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I agree with Nicole and Icey, very insightful too. One of the hardest things for me to learn to stomach on this forum was the right wing views, and at the same time the endorsements of "Libertarianism".

This is a fucked up right wing crowd. Good that their guy, Trump, is taking a pasting.

SJG

Am I the only one noticing that Nic94 and Icey's comings and goings sync up suspiciously?

"I don't think most on here truly believe what they say. They just want to legitimate their own antisocial actions and beliefs."

I agree completely and it applies to you, IceyDodo. LMFAO you say you don't pay stripper whores for sex and GFE but you don't want to believe it even when you're quoted doing it.

LMFAO projection much?

Anyway, where are these threads and posts where men "attribute "lack of family values/broken home" as the primary cause of poverty"?

Is Nicokeyes just creating another strawman argument in her manic episode?

JustinTolook said "Am I the only one noticing that Nic94 and Icey's comings and goings sync up suspiciously?"

No... but who cares?

Justin and CMI, how about responding to Nicole's OP?

SJG

These guys see infidelity as a prerogative of gender, race, and socio-economic status.

SJG

Yeah san_jose_creep isn't that what you thought when you went to see strippers and AMP whores when you were married?

Okie dokie...

I've never seen a single post on here from a customer attributing a "'lack of family values/broken home' as the primary cause of poverty".

So, the premise is fictional and the post is shit stirring juvenile nonsense.

How's that for responding to the OP?

Also, SJG, your just popping a boner because two(?) of the very few profiles that don't routinely treat you like you're creepy as fuck and delusional started posting again.

Have a day.

Okay SJG. I will respond with the seriousness the OP deserves.

I would submit that there is a strong correlation between marital arguments and divorce. Social scientists report child rearing as the most common source of marital arguments. I submit by getting stripper blowjobs instead of procreating, you are reducing the rate of divorce / broken homes. Ergo, strippers reduce poverty.

That's a bit of a stretch...

So Justin, are you saying that you have reduced the rate of divorce by not marrying? I think that positive.

Or are you saying that you use strip clubs as an escape from the negative dynamics of your marriage?

FWIW, I used strip clubs and AMPs as an escape. But I never bragged about that, I was just trying to stay sane. It was a survival strategy. I never wanted to make a life out of lies and deception, or out of claiming some sort of gender or socio-economic privilege.

CMI,

"I've never seen a single post on here from a customer attributing a "'lack of family values/broken home' as the primary cause of poverty"."

That is a major tenant of the political right. It is how they say that people are poor because they deserve to be poor. It is part of Social Darwinism. And the vast majority of our regular posters go along with it. And the drive this in when they say negative and condescending. things about "strippers". They use "strippers" the same way they use "losers". They see "strippers" as something less than themselves and less than other women.

Nicole has started a very good thread!

SJG

"Therefore, men who contribute to broken homes by cheating on their wives and paying young women for blowjobs and sex have NO RIGHT to criticize other people( poor families) for their broken homes."

@Nicokeyes again, where are these critiques of poor families for their broken homes? Why not reply in those threads then?

Is it because they don't exist and you are just maniacally posting like an attention whore?

Just food for thought...

CMI, it was meant as verbal irony. I really need a sarcasm font.

SJG said "So Justin, are you saying..."

He literally said none of those things.

"And the vast majority of our regular posters go along with it."

Links.

@Justin... Got it.

"FWIW, I used strip clubs and AMPs as an escape. But I never bragged about that, I was just trying to stay sane. It was a survival strategy."

LMFAO @san_jose_creep so you cheated on your wife just to survive?

That's pretty lame. Lame as fuck.

CMI, the idea that they have a socio-economic and gender prerogative is in all the posts which say negative things about "strippers" or "losers". It's there in at least 1/3 of this forum's threads.

SJG

^^^ So you claim to be a SJW simply because you say you treat strippers and sex workers like civilians, meaning you want to get free sexy with them and then dump them.

Sounds quite hypocritical SJG. You apparently want your cake and eat it without any responsibility.

Very untrue Meat. What it really is, is simply that I don't look down on strippers or sex workers. I treat them just like other women.

At some point in my life I decided that I liked being with strippers and sex workers more than with the good girls.

SJG

^^ Dows that mean you treat normal everyday vanilla type girls with less respect because they simply aren’t marginalized like the submissive impoverished women you like to take advantage of?

I’d say yes!

No it does not. But no, Good Girls do not have any special appeal for me. I like women in high heels and makeup.

But as far as social and civil standing, I treat everyone with respect.

And strippers are not always "marginalized like the submissive impoverished women" and I do not take advantage of them.

SJG

^^^^^^^ heaving +5

SJG

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"At some point in my life I decided that I liked being with strippers and sex workers more than with the good girls."

^ This must have been the point in your life when you realized that the only way you would ever get a woman's attention was to pay a stripper or sex worker because no other woman wanted anything to do with you.

You're so drunk on SS it's become your reality.

^^^ lmfao rotflmao!!

Meat, monogamy and the family are something we need to move beyond. And Nicole is spot on with her OP.

SJG

@Meat read this thread by san_jose_creep when he was trying to make AMP whores his "GFs":

tuscl.net

He's entirely delusional throughout the whole thing. The AMP whores are all trying to avoid him and they even tell him they are on their periods to avoid having sex with him and he's going along believing that he's going to make one of them his GF. And it's as easy as him selecting one.

^^^ rofl at the hypocrite MongoL1oyd Schoene’s aka-SJG’s post of GFE with AAMPs!!

@Nicole94, is BBBJ CIMSW on your menu? I won’t think any less of you if you’re a spitter.

@heaving san_jose_creep failed at his marriage, it was his fault for him cheating on his wife with strippers and AMP whores, and he won't accept and face this so to justify it he blames marriage (and monogamy) itself and he tells himself he just had to cheat in order to just "survive". LMFAO as if by not cheating on his wife he would have died.

There's nothing wrong with monogamy and marriage. It's simply not for everyone. But for those that choose and commit to it, it works.

I ain't gonna lie, though. As a married man for almost 20 years, it's a challenge. I can say for sure that I've never been able to stop having sexual thoughts for other women EVER. It's in my nature as man or just a human. But, to be with only one woman who loves and stays with you despite your flaws is a wonderful thing. And for the same woman to want to please you sexually (and likewise you to her) it is awesome for just that too. And because of this, to me it works and it's completely worth it. But it does take work and commitment and it's not always easy. You either want it or you don't. If you want to fuck other women and can't control it, get out of your supposed monogomous relationship. It's not for you. Just don't think it's not for everyone else too.

I yearn for other women but I don’t want the consequences that come with it. It’s why I stay monogamous because I can only deal with maintaining one good relationship, and when you add more it dilutes what you can do if you have a family and career.

The best way to build wealth is to be successfully married, the easiest way to destroy wealth is to get divorced

Let’s not forget the cunts who cheat on their husbands then blame the husband for it.

I think the benefits of marriage and monogamy far outweigh the downsides. My dad actually said something on topic a couple months ago. We were discussing how a lot of guys think that moving beyond monogamy or marriage and everyone just being single and fucking one person one night and then another person another night would be a good thing. So I said that the benefits of this lifestyle have been exaggerated a lot, and he said...

"Its like always having to hunt for more food. You have no reliable source of food so you always have to go out and hunt for more prey whenever you need to eat. Staying committed to one woman means that your fridge is always full."

Essentially, promiscuity and being a bachelor is high effort and low reward. You may be able to get the variety a lot of guys want or the freedom to choose to fuck another girl if the opportunity comes up, but for the most part, being a bachelor means always having to find another source of food. From a perspective of both quantity and quality for the lowest effort, monogamy is the best route.

The way I see it, issues usually arise when one partner starts refusing to meet the other's sexual needs. In a monogamous relationship, you are agreeing to take care of them. As long as each person holds up their end of the agreement, then monogamy should work pretty well. If, in a marriage, one partner stops taking care of the other's sexual needs, that's when that person starts cheating on their spouse. This seems to be the case with most married men who visit prostitutes. Their sex life at home leaves something to be desired so they go out to find it.

A lot of churches and priests actually encourage frequent sex within marriage for precisely this reason, because an empty sex life at home will almost inevitably result in someone cheating on their partner.

Some people can do marriage / monogamy with ease, and others really, really can't. Some people can't do monogamy until later in life, which is also fine.

There are also middle grounds between a crazy-pants socialist sex "organization" filled with stripper-grade hotties constantly servicing logorrheatic shut-ins and guys being happily married to the same woman for 60 years.

The problem is the demonization of either ideal, or anything in the middle.

Find your groove, roll with it, and tell the haters to go fuck themselves.

@CC99 I'm a firm believer that good sex with your spouse is part of having a good monogamous marriage. It's just as key as having compatible personalities. If you don't have the good sex you are just friends, not lovers. If you don't have the compatible personalities you are just fuck buddies.

@SirLDK

Yeah I would say that's true.

@CMI

It does seem to me like a middle ground isn't really available. Not so much talking about SJG's organization specifically, but generally, the options are either marriage or being a bachelor. The closest thing I can really think of to a middle ground would be cohabitation. Open and swinger marriages like what Skibum has could also be a middle ground sort of thing but from what I hear, most people can't really handle that. If someone is trying to have a family though, then marriage becomes a necessity.

Some women are much more likely to tolerate their husband going to strip clubs or even visiting prostitutes every now and then though because the husband may have a higher sex drive that overwhelms her anyway or perhaps he can't really handle monogamy but if the sex is paid for then its less of a threat to their marriage the way an extra-marital affair with a co-worker would be. Some people in the early 20th century advocated for prostitution to be legalized under the idea that prostitutes can fulfill that need without being a threat to the customer's marriage.

"There are also middle grounds between a crazy-pants socialist sex "organization" filled with stripper-grade hotties constantly servicing logorrheatic shut-ins and guys being happily married to the same woman for 60 years."

^ The former is but a figment of a logorrheatic shut-in's demented imagination and the latter is actually true in real life.

Nicole you’re a stupid cunt just like my ex. “It’s all men’s fault.” Because the women these guys are cheating with are totally innocent right? They have no responsibility at all do they?

A successful middle ground is rare because it is demonized. The moral "ideal" is a lifelong marriage. Anything less is a varying degree of failure.

And then there are those who excoriate marriage or monogamy entirely, mostly because it didn't work for them. They failed at it, so therefore it's the institution that's a failure. Not them.

We need to let people find their own way.

@CMI

To me that kind of sounds like the middle ground you are talking about is divorce and having multiple successive marriages which pretty much everyone would agree is not a positive experience. I think if people could, most would want a successful lifelong marriage.

At this current moment, it seems to me like we don't really have an option that doesn't require either person to sacrifice anything. Swinger style marriages probably come closest to being a healthy "middle ground" but in order to be equitable, both people should be allowed to fuck other people instead of just one person. In which case a lot of people feel that they're sacrificing their spouse's faithfulness and that these kind of relationships might be more likely to end in divorce if their partner gets emotionally tempted by someone they slept with. Monogamy and bachelorhood also require sacrifices for obvious reasons.

So I'd say if we took SJG's suggestion of "moving beyond marriage" that it is not a solution that "doesn't require anyone to sacrifice anything" as a lot of advocates of such claim but rather that it requires people to make different but equitable sacrifices.

I think the reason why we ultimately chose monogamy as the best option is because its the most stable one. If large numbers of people refuse to marry then we have lots of single mothers (which is true of today's day and age) who are exhausted from the burden of having a full time career as well as taking care of a child. Swinger style marriages can be risky if not done right or if the participants attach any emotional meaning to sex which I've found that most people do. Even if you don't need an emotional attachment to have sex in the first place a lot of people develop one after having sex, especially if they have sex with that person multiple times. One sided polygamy is also problematic for obvious reasons. Divorcing and marrying multiple different people is very difficult for children. So I think people ultimately decided that monogamous, lifelong marriages were the healthiest of the options available to us.

I'm not saying that a majority of people have to choose non-standard models, but only that we can be more accepting of those who do, even if they are outliers.

It's possible to have shorter-than-lifelong relationships and not treat them as failures of character. Or, to never be in a monogamous relationship and accept that some people just aren't built for it.

But, for the most part, we don't.

Fair enough.

Nicole Jesus said “let he who had not sinned throw the first stone”

I didn't know Nicole's last name was Jesus...

heaving, I hope you find whatever sort of relationship you seeks.

To everyone, marriage and monogamy is inseparable from the origins of private property, and from making women and children into property.

No good can come from this.

Yes, my organization will address these things. But lets say that I am somehow proven wrong. Then I hope someone else then is able to find the better way to move beyond.

I still say that most of the people on this forum see marital infidelity and deception as a prerogative of gender, race, and socio-economic level. That cannot be good either. And then as Nicole is saying, the go on and blame poverty on lack of marital fidelity.

Hey, the rules about sex are always bolstered by rules about money. And then the rules about money are always bolstered by the rules about sex. Most of it is what is known as Social Darwinism, a horrible pseudo science.

We have to find some other way.

SJG

^^^ What did you say? I CUNT hear u!

SJG said "Yes, my organization will address these things."

It has to exist before it addresses anything.

"But lets say that I am somehow proven wrong."

It also has to exist before it proves anything at all. Your creepy organization has been "in the early stages" for years. You're approaching a timeline where the term 'early stages' can only be used in the context of geology.

Your organization is vapor and you're just a creepy guy telling other people that they're having fun wrong.

Saudi Arabia hates Iran, but it's also desperate to not be in a war with Iran.

Huh... well that landed in exactly the wrong thread.

Does anyone else smell burnt toast? I smell burnt toast.

Nicole, I cheated on my wife, in Strip Clubs and AMPs. Even going to a strip club and spending time and money there is cheating.

But I have never bragged about it.

I did it because I was dying in the marriage, I was just trying to survive. But I knew it was not a long term workable strategy. And again, I am not trying to justify it.

Eventually I was able to bring legal force to bare and lawfully remove the wife and end the marriage. Doing that is extremely painful. But it had to be done.

We have many here who think that strip clubs are not cheating, and are not unethical for a married man.

Do you think the wives are really ignorant and not effected by it. I do not.

Do you think they are in effect bought off, just really have to go along with it, and these guys think it a male and wealth prerogative. Seems that way to me.

But I would not want to live like that, a wife who is there just because she feels trapped.

And for those who want to play, we do have Swingers Clubs, where husband and wife can consensually play.

One guy wrote about the TJ HK bar and Cascadas hotel, some wonderful exploits. I commend him especially because he said that it was for the Single Man.

SJG

"I did it because I was dying in the marriage, I was just trying to survive."

^ lamest excuse for cheating ever.

And yes, this is your justification for doing it despite you saying "I am not trying to justify it". LMFAO you refuse to own it and that's why you have PTSD! Fucking hypocrite in denial is all you are.

Your privacy wall blows.

^^^^^ No CMI you stupid fuck head. The reason that I have been able to make personal disclosures on this forum for so many years is that I do have my f2f live safely firewalled off.

Go stick your finger in a light socket.

SJG

^ So does all his excuses and deflections for cheating on his wife.

LMFAO the only way to survive a bad marriage is to cheat?!?!

Because it's a life or death issue?

Answer: BULLSHIT

Also, you don't know what 'privacy' means.

Wrong again CMI, I am very careful about what I disclose. And I would not be able to disclose anything, if I did not have final control of the information flow via my privacy wall.

I protect the operational security of my affairs in exactly the same ways which the CIA protects its own operation security.

I have extremely sensitive responsibilities. I am not a professional PL fuck head like so many on this forum are.

SJG

He's a broke ass creep on a bike riding past strip clubs and AMPs that he can no longer go to. He ran out of money and/or he got himself banned. He looks on with envy, fantasizing but never actualizing GFEs with women he can never have without paying. He lost his wife and he has ED.

But by golly he's still got dreams of that organization. And he's got us as his TUSCL support system.

SJG said "I have extremely sensitive responsibilities."

Is now when you tell us that you refer to your own nipples as 'responsibilities'?

CMI, you are a worthless noise maker, like one of those bathtub rubber duckies that has some to life.

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SJG

That doesn't actually mean anything....

You got problems Nicole

@Nicole, have you ever squirted in your gynecologist’s face by accident?

Buy sharpies, they work great to draw mustaches on Nicoles avatar

Most of the men on this forum do say negative things about, and look down on, the very same women who are giving them sexual services. This dovetails perfectly with the right they seem to think they have to marital infidelity.

They look at "strippers" as the female version of the males which they call "losers".

SJG

^ Most of your posts are a mental projection.

LMAO just like Nicokeyes you can't even quote and reply in the threads where all this negative talk occurs.

supposedly occurs

^^^^ I agree, but with the proviso that their might be polyamory situations, such as the one I am working to build.

But senseless hyper-promiscuity, treating women as disposable for no reason, I see that as stupid.

SJG

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I'm glad Iceyloco bumped this thread. I almost missed C.M.I tearing SJG a new asshole. This post right here made me spit out my beer:

SJG said "Yes, my organization will address these things."

It has to exist before it addresses anything.

"But lets say that I am somehow proven wrong."

It also has to exist before it proves anything at all. Your creepy organization has been "in the early stages" for years. You're approaching a timeline where the term 'early stages' can only be used in the context of geology.

Your organization is vapor and you're just a creepy guy telling other people that they're having fun wrong.

The context of geology.........LMFAO!

Funny only because it's true.

No truer words were ever spoke. ^

Senseless hyper-promiscuity is not good.

Swingers are married Republicans, elitists trying to play it both ways.

Monogamy = Neuroticism and Death

So where does that leave us? Polyamory arrangements.

Sex educator Stan Dale said that Swingers are the Right Wing, where as Polyamorists are the Left Wing.

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SJG

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