Yup she’s mad
Muddy
USA
Alright I’m not trying to bring my drama to TUSCL but I think it can raise some interesting talking points. My CF that I talked about in a previous topic blocked me on Instagram. (Not the end of the world but a sign she’s not happy) And after I paid her Friday night she just walked away without saying anything. That was off. I don’t know exactly what went wrong but I was drunk and I’m usually little aggressive during lap dances. There was just so much less tolerance from all the bullshit from her this time around. She just seemed fed up. Maybe I’m a little too much when I’m drinking. I really think I’m funny af in person but maybe it’s too much sometimes, it can get annoying. I don’t what it exactly it was but I am NOT a laid back customer.
But this brings me to my point. I fucking care. It bothers me that she is upset. I am not ok that she is not ok with me. Now she is incredibly hot, one of the hottest girls I have ever seen. Honestly. Sometimes I will daydream about this girl. But I am not trying to go out with this girl or do anything romantic. Not confused about it. Don’t get me wrong I would love to but I didn’t get the vibe early on so I stopped pursuing on that front but that’s another story. But I do see her as a friend. Not my best friend but a friend. She wasn’t my CF for a year just to get dances there’s tons talking and bullshiting in there. Kept it all the club though.
I will attempt to go and apologize and fix things. I’m sorry I am not one of these hardcore cold blooded TUSCLers like Dugan or 25 would just drop her ass in a second. I know it’s a good trait to have but I am more of an emotional dude than an all buissness type. I do fucking care sometimes. I’m not expecting things to go back to what they were. But I want shit to be cool. I don’t know how much longer I am going to be in this town or how much longer she is going to be a dancer but I would be very bothered if this is how it ended. Even If I wasn’t that bad and she was kind of being bitch.
Point of the story I do care what these dancers think of me sometimes. Maybe that’s fucking nuts but I’m just being honest. I might be the only one on TUSCL however that thinks like that some of these dudes come off like they’re former KGB.
Have any y’all run into a similar situation?
But this brings me to my point. I fucking care. It bothers me that she is upset. I am not ok that she is not ok with me. Now she is incredibly hot, one of the hottest girls I have ever seen. Honestly. Sometimes I will daydream about this girl. But I am not trying to go out with this girl or do anything romantic. Not confused about it. Don’t get me wrong I would love to but I didn’t get the vibe early on so I stopped pursuing on that front but that’s another story. But I do see her as a friend. Not my best friend but a friend. She wasn’t my CF for a year just to get dances there’s tons talking and bullshiting in there. Kept it all the club though.
I will attempt to go and apologize and fix things. I’m sorry I am not one of these hardcore cold blooded TUSCLers like Dugan or 25 would just drop her ass in a second. I know it’s a good trait to have but I am more of an emotional dude than an all buissness type. I do fucking care sometimes. I’m not expecting things to go back to what they were. But I want shit to be cool. I don’t know how much longer I am going to be in this town or how much longer she is going to be a dancer but I would be very bothered if this is how it ended. Even If I wasn’t that bad and she was kind of being bitch.
Point of the story I do care what these dancers think of me sometimes. Maybe that’s fucking nuts but I’m just being honest. I might be the only one on TUSCL however that thinks like that some of these dudes come off like they’re former KGB.
Have any y’all run into a similar situation?
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Everyone thinks they’re more charming and funny when drunk than they actually are, me included.
No legit advice here other than to think all this through several days before you see her next and don’t grovel / apologize by text in the meantime
1. Find another plumber, or
2. Reach out to the plumber to see what you can do to improve the relationship ?
If you are paying for a service, then this is a business relationship.
If this is a real romantic relationship, then stop paying her as a test of how strong the underlying relationship is ( and, by the way, I’ve got a bridge to sell you ).
Remember the definition of insanity, doing the same thing over and again yet expecting different results.
Recognize that you’re one of many drunken idiots who pay this girl for lap dances. It may be too late since she has blocked you on instagram, but if you’re interested in figuring out a solution maybe go to the club and refrain from drinking. Try to engage in a sober converation.
That said, you claim you don’t want anything romantic but admit you daydream about the girl. Trust me, if you daydream about her you want something romantic with her. She probably senses that. Indeed, that is likely to be the problem. So you need to convince her that you’re just one of many drunken idiots who want lap dances from her. Step 1: convince yourself that you’re just a drunken, lapdance-wanting idiot. You should reach out to lapdanceking82 for help on that!
Keep in mind that you should value my brilliant advice as much as you would value the advice of anybody who’s handle is based on scatological humor. Which means you should value it more than advice from somebody named “rick” but less than most normal sane people (alas, none of the latter post on TUSCL)
Maybe she is truly tired of dealing with your drunken ass and it’s not a manipulation tactic.
No ones likes to deal with drunk PLs or strippers.
You can of course do whatever you want, but if you take of the PL goggles for a moment, I'd implore you to realize she's ultimately a dime a dozen (just like you are to her). It might be better to start over with the knowledge you gained rather than investing more time/money/emotion in something that will more likely than not fall apart again. Also, try cutting back on the drinking. No one likes a sloppy drunk.
She could be "over you" until she wants your cash. It's the beauty of a transactional relationship.
But you have to look at it logically.... If all you've ever had from her were ITC experiences, well everything in the club is a fantasy unless you actually know her as a person, not a dancer. Otherwise, nothing in the club is real. If you've had paid interaction with her outside the club, its just a GFE at most.
Also what Bavarian said.... how "aggressive" and drunk do you get?? That could easily have a huge impact. Maybe she realized that she doesn't have to put up with that to make money. These girls weigh their options. The point is to make the most doing the least.
Of course, you ARE letting out further details, including some foreshadowing that on your very first time seeing her after months, you might have gotten drunk and acted horribly. Given that, she's bailing out from a customer who is ignoring her limits. That's not hardcore cold blooded either, it's smart protecting her limits, and keeping herself from getting angry with a bad customer and having that anger leak over into good customers.
Just to add to his excellent post (too bad he does so few of these and so much trolling instead), you will never be a friend in her eyes. You are a source of income to her and nothing more, regardless of whether you feel more for her. She has also made it pretty clear that she wants nothing more to do with you if she's gone to the trouble of blocking you on social media.
Nothing good can come from pursuing this further. Only in the movies do guys who persistently chase unwilling girls eventually win them over. IRL these guys are called stalkers. There is really only one of two ways this goes, neither of which is a good outcome for you. Either she gets skeeved out even more than she already is and reacts accordingly OR she turns your seeming desperation against you for her own economic gain. IMHO your best bet is just to walk away.
Muddy, just go to the club, apologize, don't get drunk or aggressive, just let her have a good time, spend money on her and see if she has a change of mind.
If she doesn't, spend money on a friend of hers at the club...it'll get to her.
Just realize its not a relationship.... in which case, persistence actually does get the girl depending on the past, and the feelings involved.
Saying to walk away or you'll be a stalker is pretty pc advice from proud tricks.
These two sentences don’t easily reconcile. If he’s just a source of income she wouldn’t block him and refuse to take his money. I’m not saying she has feelings FOR him. But she has feelings ABOUT him. And right now, she’s pissed. Everyone here is guessing what those feelings are, including Muddy. Be direct. Ask her why she’s pissed.
@Nidan I ain’t gonna spend too much more here.
Bavarian...it sounds like Muddy might be a big Latina fan like you and I
Muddy, you disappeared for 4 months. Then you show back up out of the blue and immediately do something that upset her enough that now she doesn't want anything to do with you. What gives you the right to ask anything more of her, whether it's "closure" or what I really believe you want, which is forgiveness and/or acceptance? I'm really not trying to be a jerk on this one, but I think you are coming at this from a somewhat selfish perspective by thinking about what you need. She has already expressed what she needs, which is to be left alone. IMHO all you're going to do is cause more harm than good by pursuing it further.
Anyway, good luck man, but I do hope you take the sage advice offered by a few guys on here and just move on.
Also, let us know how it works out, if you don’t mind.
Just go to the club and ask her.
You mentioned you had not SCed for about 4-months, and that you got a bit drunk - so perhaps you acted like a bit of an ass "on your big night back" and were wilding out a bit too-much which was off-putting to her - again, not being there hard to know if you may have somehow acted out of line to piss her off.
Or - it could be her - maybe after 4-months away she thought you'd treat her her maybe w/ more "enthusiasm" w.r.t seeing her - or maybe she doesn't feel comfortable going too far w/ custies she does not have a regular club relationship with and maybe she thought you were out of line thinking you could just pick back up showing up out the blue.
Communication usually helps situations - could be you did something she found off-putting that you are not aware of - yeah we pay these girls to entertain us but doesn't mean we can treat them any ole kinda way b/c we're paying them - I don't see anything wrong w/ clearing the air w/ a dancer you have a history with and like being with - if you did something wrong then explain your side of it, and if it's her just having a shitty entitled attitude either she fixes it or you move on, but by clearing the air at least one can fix what could just be a silly misunderstanding.
Latina women also tend to be possessive - not necessarily saying that she has feelings for you (maybe she does but best to assume she doesn't) - but many dancers still have a bit of an ego that can at times get bruised.
One way or another, a fave or myself will get out of line now and again at the start of a trip. She will not get to me soon enough or take it for granted I want to see only her, or I may be too enthusiastic or not notice she's a lil quiet and play accordingly. It happens.
I always try to figure it out and visit again a couple of days later.
@ Muddy, the point is I take the lead on the next visit and play to whatever our strengths were in the first place, we chat; if I was out of line then I apologize during that convo, if she was out of line then I explain why I was pissed. I suppose I must do it to some extent because I care and coz it clarifies things. I either end up with a great visit or we call it quits. Probably 25% of those times I end up walking away but at least on okay terms and able to re-focus on other girls in the club.
Good luck!
My guess is you show up out of the blue, expecting everything to be exactly the same w/o explanation and sense of entitlement for what you gave in the past. But for her she doesn't know what you'll do now, nor in the future. Can't just live off past glory... and chances are you're not as charming as you think you are. Not a personal affront, very few are.
If she says the only way to get back into her good graces is to spend more money, then I'd either stop seeing her, or find her on her slow days.
I'm sure we all push this limits in what we can get get away with, and we all probably also know that we might eventually cross that invisible line. FIV is ok, FIA and then immediately FI her Mouth...not ok, lesson learned, wont try that one again for a few months...got it.
Saying you're too drunk to remember is something I pulled when I was 16. I forget where I parked or put my keys or driving home, I never forget the shit I try to get away with in the club. I'm guessing you remember what you did but dont want to say.
@general I don’t even use Instagram. It just something I check. And no I wasn’t too drunk to remember I never said that. I was drinking you would not be able to notice I was buzzed but enough to influence my actions.