I have seen the light no more tj for me. When im in tj i am missing out on opportunities to go to u.s clubs and cum in my pants. How could i be so careless?
I don't know. I like LDKs only. They are fun. And if I went to a club in TJ I would do the same thing: just get LDKs for super cheap. But that's just me personally.
Damn I should drop everything run to TJ, land of the girls getting 10 dicks a day, no risk of STDs, and a fun, safe city to walk around after shenanigans are done.
I'm still not sure why everyone can't just have their fun in the club without worrying about what the next man is doing. You like Latinas only and only want TJ goddesses? That's great, go do you. Someone else wants LDKs at their own local clubs? Cool, good for them.
Countryman it seems you've been infected with whatever the fuck disease SJG has, where if someone doesn't have your same preferences and wants your response is to ridicule them. What the fuck for?
@TFP because im not ridiculing pl. Im ridiculing the country i am so ashamed of. I am a veteran and i have that right. Mongers like sirlapdancealot being married i inderstand the lure of ldk and non extras clubs. Because he can have fun and know hes not cheating. All married mongers i get it. Single mongers like me i don't. As far as san jose guy i like him. His posts are entertaining and very informative. If pl like myself would stop messing with him shut thier mouths and open their eyes they would learn alot from sjg.
@tfp i do have fun and really don't give a shit what another pl does. Its just if everyone wouls stop supporting these ridicolous non extras clubs they would have to shut down. I will not support the bullshit. Bitches would either have to get real jobs or start giving that pussy up. But no way to many dumbass mongers supporting this shit. Please explain it to me why anyone would want to spend all that money to be blueballed ldk or go home and jackoff please explain it to me.
@Country how is getting an LDK being blue balled? Blue balls is when you don't cum.
And one reason LDK is so popular is the price. I spend no more on a lapdance without LDK as I do with LDK. Maybe my tip is $10 more for the LDK but often it is not. So to me, LDK is a relatively free service.
Also some of us here don't want any extras and only want to LDK. It could be for price or other personal reasons.
Why is this so hard for you understand about LDK? To summarize...
1) It is much cheaper than an extra and virtually the same cost as a vanilla lapdance.
2) It's an easy and convenient way to get an orgasm and feel great after a visit to the club.
@sirlapdancealot i understand you are married. I understand tha appeal to you. I could spend thousand from dances from a 10 and would not ldk. I have tried does not happen. The only thing that happens is i leave blueballed. You can go home to your wife my friend. My pl ass goes back home by myself or to big rig. For years i went to non extras clubs spent tons and always felt unhappy when i left. But they are addicting. Then kept thinking bout the fun i had in the navy and my first p4p experience and how beautiful that chica was. So i got into escorts and mps. When i got cancer and survived it let me realize you are not promised tommorow. That you need to live every day like its your last. So i went back to tj and i am hooked. I am a ridicolous bipolar pl. The only woman i ever loved cheated 2 days before we were supposed to get married. So know i only do p4p. I will never open my heart again. I dont want the fantasy when i monger to much good porn for that. I want the experience of fucking all the pretty woman i can. My first p4p was a chica in the zona so that's why i love mexican chicas. I know i opened up to everybody and i can seem like a trolling asshole sometimes and for that i am sorry. You can all make fun of me now if you want i deserve it. I love this board and you are family to me
@Country thanks for that. It helps me understand your perspective. After reading it it seems your issue with LDK is your own and not another's. Just note that is not how it initially came across (hence TFP's response and mine). It came across as if it is stupid for anyone to want an LDK which now it is clear that was not your intent.
Also it seems to me your bigger issue is non extras clubs and somehow the LDK PLs are what feed that business model (hence your "issue" with LDKs besides your personal one). And to that point I can't dispute it other than you don't really know for a fact that non extras clubs only exist because LDKers reduce the demand for extras clubs. And to that point I'm not so sure that is a good premise. You don't know how many LDK only guys drive the business of getting lapdance for one thing. Also you don't know if an LDK only PL is that way because he has no choice for going to an extras club. It's a bit of a chicken vs egg thing. Does the demand for LDKs only drive down the market for extras or does the lack of extras clubs drive up the demand for LDKs? Also there are legal reasons beyond whether or not one wants to LDK or not. So anyway, based on your real point and issues it may have been better to just start a rant thread about non extras clubs in the US rather than passive aggressively putting down LDKers (unintentionally).
And I can relate to you about this board. I don't even go to clubs anymore but yet I find a lot of entertainment posting here because of many of the members. Despite the truly pathetic trolls here, there is a good community of funny members.
^ also forgot to add, just because I'm married doesn't mean that's why I only want to LDK. Even if I were single I could totally see myself still going to an extras club but only getting an LDK. Not saying I wouldn't want extras at all either.
Remember, TJ or US clubs, front room makeout sessions, not buying dances. Then when it is time for your own pants to come down, you invite her to the back room.
I will do extras if its available, but not for a high price if that makes any sense. I want OTC that happens for like $300 or so where extras may or may not be available. I don't want to rent out a VIP Room for $300 and then spend another $150-200 to get my "extra" as well adding up to a total of $500 just to have sex for 30 minutes in a cramped VIP booth where a bouncer could walk in on me at any moment.
For this purpose, I really don't give a shit if the club is an extras club or not. Even the Follies situation doesn't sound anywhere near as appealing to me as OTC. I think the guys getting LDKs are approaching the situation in a much smarter way by paying $100 and getting grinded til they cum as opposed to a guy shelling out $450 or $500 just to pull his dick out.
@CC99 I think every PL that *can* LDK should be considering how much cumming from an extra or FS is pleasurable over an LDK and determine if the price is worth it. Relatively speaking the logistics and cost of an LDK are easier and less, respectively, than that of an extra or more. And for me personally they feel pretty damn good. Better than an HJ but not as good as a BJ.
On top of this you can get an LDK at any club where at least some contact with the PL's crotch is allowed.
To me it's a no brainer. For around an extra $10-20 bucks I can leave almost any club with an LDK compared to leaving without one. When you can LDK you can have a happy ending at almost any club.
Also, I actually like that strip clubs make the experience a little more wholesome actually.
I'm sorry for feeling this way but the idea of a brothel girl taking five dicks before I walked in is kind of gross. Its one thing if she's fucking other guys but numerous guys in the same day just going in and out of her 30 minutes to an hour at a time is just kind of nasty. It makes me feel a lot better thinking that I can do OTC with a girl and think that I'm one of like two-four guys that she may be doing this with on other days of the week and just giving lap dances to the others.
DC....er....CC you obviously haven't been to TJ. As has been stated, there are times you'll see a girl in the club that doesn't get taken arriba at all. There's so much competition that some of the girls get left high and dry. You could easily find one of those girls if that's what bothers you.
I have a girl who can get me to LDK twice within a 15 min VIP session Those are the best. I once paid a girl extra to pop twice through FS/BJ but it was exhausting for the both of us. A girl can bounce on your lap and bob her head for so long.
The level of sexual frustration is high. People go for LDKing in strip clubs, they are just paying their own money to exacerbate their own sexual frustration.
^ LMAO san_jose_creep the only sexual frustration is your own. LDKing is a sexual release, moron.
Sexual frustration is exacerbated when you don't get any release and pent it up. Then when it gets really bad you may turn into a creep that just prowls a strip club discussion forum and lives vicariously through the posts of other guys getting sexual release. And then when it gets real bad you'll start deflecting the issue and tell those same guys that are getting sexual release that they are doing it wrong.
As long as I've been on this site, it still trips me out that SJG is so worried about how other guys have their fun. I don't bother trying to engage him anymore, as I've seen he's incapable of having a conversation.
SLD you have the most thorough breakdown of his what you suspect his mindset is. Yet I still don't get why he worries so much about other guys, to the point of posting in every. single. thread about the same thing.
To each their own, your money, your time and your entertainment.
As long as your are not hurting anybody, live and let live.
One of my closer friends believes in monogamous relationships and occasionally berates me for my lifestyle choice, it's my life to live: to reap the consequences and enjoy the benefits.
If you enjoy LDKs good for you and enjoy, if you like just getting a good grindy LD go to a SC and enjoy, if you only enjoy FS go your local extras club and party on.
Cristobal you a cool dude. Just through the words you type on the forum I can tell you have an easy going attitude. Hard to think anyone can find fault with what you say but somehow SJG still has a problem with it.
Lol he's already admitted that he's the recently deleted member. Founder is probably cool with it, as long as his review section pranks are in the past.
@TFP the reason san_jose_creep cannot let this issue go is because he is stuck on TUSCL in a 'do loop' of denial about all the issues that he himself had that caused his wife to leave him and ultimately that caused him to become the pathetic and destitute man that he is today. Now to be clear I don't know think he ever LDKed but I do think, back in the 90s and because he fell for SS, that he thought he could easily get sex at a strip club. And so he went to them and got dances and he fell for a lot of SS and ultimately ended up blowing a lot of his and his wife's money on it all. Yes, he himself was a huge "chump" just like the guys he berates ad nauseum about getting lap dances. I also think at one time a stripper even told him that "using a strip club for ejaculation services will only exacerbate your sexual frustration". So now he has issue with the whole matter and truly he wants to 'pay it forward' to TUSCL and preach about the dangers of getting lap dances.
Furthermore, his repetition, ad nauseum, of the issue is his denial defense mechanism from the bigger issue in his life which is that all his mongering is what lost all his and his wife's money and relationship. He's traumatised by it but the key is that he doesn't want to ever admit it. Again, he's stuck in a 'do-loop' of denial. As you already know, his entire TUSCL history of posts are very repetitive on getting lapdances being a "chump's game", getting DFK from a stripper leads to FS, and forming his sex organization. These are all denials and deflections and escapes from the issue that he ruined his whole life and TUSCL is his entire outlet because he simply cannot face that what he did to get there was his own damn fault. So he's blaming everything and anything but himself. It wasn't his careless spending of money that caused him to lose it all, it was the 'clip joint' strip clubs that was the root cause! LMAO he talks down about escapism and even that is what he himself is doing on TUSCL!
Also on top of all of this his mind blew out and he became batshit crazy again because of the PTSD of his divorce and unending denial about why it happened.
So there you have it and why he's obsessed with TUSCL and all his issues and ways of mongering. Trust me on this, as long as TUSCL exists and he can post here he will NEVER (EVER!) stop. He's here to live vicariously through our posts of having fun with strippers, but when the guys that have fun in the way that he *thinks* that he ruined his own life, like getting lapdances but not wanting sex, it triggers his defense mechanism and he starts blathering about his issue with it.
I know this all may sound far-fetched to you, but that is only because you have common sense and a stable mind. In order to understand san_jose_creep you have to really understand his mindset which is that of a mentally traumatised man in a huge state of denial.
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I'm divorced almost 5 years, spent six months sulking, 2.5 years in Vietnamese Bikini Coffee Shops, 1 year in OC & Topless SC (didn't know extras existed), 6 months recovering from Stomach Surgery, and the rest of time partying my ass off in COI and TJ.
@Cristobal LOL that's how most normal guys would deal with a divorce. It's likely because you came to realistic terms as to the reasons for your divorce and are not nearly as self centered and narcissistic as san_jose_creep is.
In regards to my analysis, I was actually very similar to TFP about san_jose_creep when I first joined TUSCL. I didn't understand him and why he was this broken record troll at guys who choose to simply get lap dances for what they are at a strip club. So I studied his post history and how it evolved from when he joined TUSCL. I didn't read everything he ever posted but I explored a few of them in detail and I also noted how they and his mindset evolved over time. It all supports everything I stated in my analysis.
He's basically the village idiot of TUSCL. A crazy and destitute man using it as an echo chamber for his own demented fantasies and thoughts. It's one of the only things he's got left in life. Almost every day he goes to free internet at the library and escapes from his destitute life by logging on and doing his thing over and over and over again. His story is a cautionary tale to all other married mongers. It's what could happen to them if they take their mongering overboard and can't own the repercussions.
Not advising, suggesting, or advocating but I from experience much of that destitute might be cured (or at least helped), ironically by getting an LDK or visiting TJ and banging a bargirl PSE.
@Cristobal I appreciate the comments and agree there is entertainment in engaging with san_jose_creep. I do the same thing. If you want to read some really funny (but also creepy as fuck) threads by him, go to his discussion topics history and read his earliest threads on his Vietnamese AMP whore mongering. I call them "Chronicles of an AMP Chump". I'd post the links but he's blocked me so I can't see his profile. Anyway in all of them he stalks a few AMP whores and constantly tries to DFK them and set up OTC dates. In the end they all up and disappear from the parlors because they want to get the fuck away from him because he's a creep. It's all from his perspective, though, so there's a lot of embellishing. And that's what makes them funny in a pathetic way.
@Cristobal I agree about him going to TJ and getting some actual sexual release. If there's anyone on TUSCL that would benefit the most from a visit to HK in TJ it is most definitely san_jose_creep.
And even more ironically he has been openly offered legit expenses paid trips by founder and Countryman! But sadly he denies the offer as if he doesn't need it and to suggest it is an invasion of his privacy. It might be his pride but also FYI I'm pretty sure he suffers from ED now so that is a factor in why he doesn't actually want to try and get sexual release. He's to the point now in his PTSD that all he really wants is to post about stripper interactions and sex rather than actually have them IRL. It's not just irony it is a travesty of irony.
Honestly, SJG is not that bad, he just has a bit of an aggressive arguing style. Contrary to what some people think, me and SJG actually disagree on a lot of things but I still say that SJG is one of my favorite posters on TUSCL because we understand how the other communicates and its not as big of a deal to disagree with him as you guys make it out to be. In my experience he is stubborn in his point of view but that's about it. We argue all the time over PMs but I never take anything he says personally.
Once you understand SJG better, you realize he is actually quite altruistic. His brain is just programmed so differently from yours that its very difficult for you to understand why he does what he does. One very important thing to understand about SJG is that, even though he believes his viewpoints to be correct, he's not actually that interested in lording it over you. Normal people think that all arguing is essentially a way to prove your superiority to somebody which is why they don't tend to like it. Arguing for most normal people is an emotional experience, perhaps a very emotional experience. For SJG and I, its not an emotional experience at all. Its more like playing a game of chess. You want to win, but when your opponent wins and you realize that your logical argument got checkmated, its kind of exciting actually because you've gotten so good at this game that you didn't even realize anyone could checkmate you. Its also exciting to play against somebody who's also very good at this because its much more rewarding to win against them than it is to win against somebody who's never given his opinions much thought and just went with whatever. The way arguments are done though, its hard for a lot of people to realize who really won and who really lost. In-fact, there may not be winners or losers until every logical argument has been perceived to be exhausted. For me and SJG, we essentially just keep the game going all the time. It looks pointless to other people but to us its exciting. We keep going on and on because we want to see who won the game. Normal people tend to prefer that everybody just respect everyone else's opinions and not try to change it because their opinions are attached to their emotions and being forced to reconsider an opinion is an emotionally difficult experience for them. Me and SJG don't feel this though, so its more like a fun game to us.
SJG just believes himself to be really really good at this game on a subconscious level. Basically, you just haven't figured out how to beat his idea yet.
@CC/DC just because you can't win an argument over san_jose_creep it doesn't mean that others haven't already. And you assume that they haven't put thought into it and you assume that they are being emotional in their thought just because they don't conclude what you did about him.
It's great you think similarly to him and can relate to his way of thinking. But to think it is advanced chess is just your own opinion based on your subjective view of it. Note that others may have objectively read his thoughts and posts with the same openness as you but came to a much different conclusion about him.
@CC/DC I hope that you are open to the possibility that maybe you are relating to him on some emotional level yourself and that is influencing your rational thought with respect to everything you just posted.
The game is not determined by whether or not your argument is better or not, it's about whether you can make the other person see that they are wrong and so far nobody has beaten SJG and he hasn't beaten anyone else.
@CC/DC I completely understood the game and that is why I said you are playing tic-tac-toe which is a game where the solution is a tie unless you are an idiot that lets the other win.
And by your own admission you are having a positive emotional experience as you "argue" with san_jose_creep. You contradict yourself in saying you don't have some emotion in your discourse but yet you *might* connect with him on an emotional level. To me it clearly biases your opinion of him.
By the way it's not that "deep" to understand that emotion should never play a role in an argument. I think you assume that.
. For SJG and I, its not an emotional experience at all. Its more like playing a game of chess. You want to win, but when your opponent wins and you realize that your logical argument got checkmated, its kind of exciting actually because you've gotten so good at this game that you didn't even realize anyone could checkmate you. Its also exciting to play against somebody who's also very good at this because its much more rewarding to win against them than it is to win against somebody who's never given his opinions much thought and just went with whatever. The way arguments are done though, its ha ——-
Dafuq? Did you take double your retard prescription pill tonight?
"And by your own admission you are having a positive emotional experience as you "argue" with san_jose_creep. You contradict yourself in saying you don't have some emotion in your discourse but yet you *might* connect with him on an emotional level. To me it clearly biases your opinion of him."
That's interesting, I hadn't thought of it that way. In that case it could be a matter of positive emotions felt vs negative emotions.
There are ways to get somebody to agree they're wrong. It is definitely a lot more difficult in a public forum than it is over PMs though.
"which is a game where the solution is a tie unless you are an idiot that lets the other win."
That's why its more interesting to argue thinking that you are right but understanding that you could not be. Losing can be interesting too. It could just be that I want to test the ideas in my head early on because its much easier to move forward once you've either confirmed that idea to be true or are able to dismiss it as false.
"By the way it's not that "deep" to understand that emotion should never play a role in an argument. I think you assume that."
Its more about the fact that there seems to be a large disconnect between the way that SJG and I communicate vs the rest of the forum. So I'm trying to figure out what exactly that is and why I relate to SJG. I agree with some of his opinions and disagree with others, the same could be said for several other people here. But for some reason I feel I relate to him much more strongly than others and I don't know why. Another weird thing seems to be that I, for whatever reason, don't care if he judges me for buying lap dances or smoking weed. Weirdly enough, I do seem to care though when someone judges me for being a young PL who hires hookers and goes to strip clubs. So why the double standard? What's going that makes me perceive what SJG is saying as not being an attack.
"There are ways to get somebody to agree they're wrong. It is definitely a lot more difficult in a public forum than it is over PMs though."
I understand this. Some people can comprehend and acknowledge that they are factually incorrect.
Again my point is that you are playing a tic-tac-toe game with san_jose_creep. You are an idiot for thinking he will ever change his mind for anyone. In fact you out of all people being someone that PMs with him should already know this. It is telling that you don't already know that he is a narcissist that is incapable of admitting his faults. His mind is locked in a mental state from his own denial. If he can't admit to himself that he blew his life and marriage he certainly isn't going to concede any points to you, me, or anyone else. You can bank on this. And so when you see the whole game with him as chess, I see you as a buffoon that thinks this but is actually playing tic-tac-toe. You will get nowhere in your game with him and no it isn't because he's so good at it. It's because he's a bonafide narcissist and you don't realize it because of your emotional bias.
"But for some reason I feel I relate to him much more strongly than others and I don't know why."
My issue with creep is not that I can't relate to his points. I don't see that he is any different than anyone else in that he has a right to his own views. My only issue with him is that he is a dickhead troll (whether intentional or not) and condescending jerk towards you just because of his own inner demons. His issues with LDKs and lap dances are his and his alone yet he takes out his shame of it all on others. He doesn't need to act like this towards other people as a grown man. Having PTSD and going through drama doesn't give him a pass on it with me either.
"What's going that makes me perceive what SJG is saying as not being an attack."
^ I already explained this to TFP and Cristobal. He's attacking his own inner demons a lot of times. I'm just saying it shouldn't be TUSCL's duty to put up with it.
CC I agree with SLD that you of all people should have readily realized that SJG is not just 'a little stubborn'. He could be point blank wrong about something and yet still insist that he's right no matter how many people tell him so. A person that never admits they were incorrect about anything is not 'playing a game of chess'. As a matter of fact SLD picked the perfect game, tic tac toe, as a better example. It always ends in a tie unless you or the other person makes an obviously bad move to let the other win.
I can bet money that even without seeing your PMs with him, SJG has never typed the words "I stand corrected" or "wow, I was seeing that wrong" or "I thought this is how something was but you've shown me otherwise". Probably not a single statement close to those phrases.
CC how can you even honestly have a conversation with him? I've read the 'conversations' that you guys have here in public. It's you responding to him and acknowledging his points, and him not acknowledging a word you say unless it falls in line with his regularly regurgitated crap he spews over and over. In a normal conversation you can go back and forth and ask each other questions. Yet in any exchange with him he either ignores your questions or starts the same ass line about his privacy wall. In that same breath he will ask you question after question though.
Country, all power to you man if you enjoy TJ. Some of us just don't need to travel 2,000 miles to find a fun girl to play with. Also, despite your continued insistence on framing this as sex in Mexico vs. messy pants here, some of us also don't seem to have a problem finding p4p right here.
Isn't GMD in your neck of the woods? He seems to be having a fine time close to home. Maybe he'd give you a few lessons on how it's done if you returned the favor by springing for his next VIP room. ;)
@TFP posted -> "He could be point blank wrong about something and yet still insist that he's right no matter how many people tell him so."
^ A real good example is his mantra: "The level of sexual frustration is high. People go for LDKing in strip clubs, they are just paying their own money to exacerbate their own sexual frustration."
^ He's point blank wrong about this mantra because he has zero clue or fact that getting LDKs is exacerbating their sexual frustration. He can't decide how or why other people do what they do. He has no clue as to another's motivations and desires.
Furthermore the only reason he has this idea in his head is because a stripper said it to him once! LMAO he takes a stripper's SS said to him once and it all of a sudden it becomes "fact".
Both lines of reasoning have bee put forth to the creep to no avail. Again it's not because he's such a good "chess" player, it's because he's extremely myopic in his thinking which ultimately is because he would rather believe it than face his own internal demons that he exacerbated his own sexual frustrations by failing epically to get sex from strippers in a private dance.
You know what though, believe it or not this site makes me think about shit sometimes.
Look, if an LDK is the only way a guy can get off... you don't know his situation, why he's doing it, why he doesn't do something else. Does it really matter to you how he gets off??? Yeah dancers think its nasty AF, but whatever.
@Cristobal they demonstrate how much in denial san_jose_creep is and how much he needs to hold that denial together in order to stay "sane". He also litters them with obscure references to his PTSD and his ED. A lot of what you can learn from the creep is not what he says, it's what he omits.
And if a man has options, he's certainly gonna exercise them before paying a stripper money to grind on him while he's fully clothed til he cums in his pants
@IceyLoco you talk to different strippers that I do. I think you just think it's nasty yourself. Besides there are verified strippers that post to TUSCL that are fine with LDKs. Again you are an idiot making an ASSumption.
And LMAO you are an idiot still for assuming a man doesn't choose LDK when he has other options. Plenty of TUSCL PLs have posted to this effect.
Maybe you should read more TUSCL posts than make them since you talk out of your ass when it comes to mongering "knowledge".
I don't think SJG has ever said the privacy wall thing with me other than this one time in PMs when I asked him how old he was.
He does sometimes change his opinions. I don't want to share our conversations but he will sometimes shift his opinions on things. Its very subtle though. He doesn't do it overtly in terms of "I stand corrected" and you won't make massive waves with him but he sometimes seems to recognize his viewpoint on something might've been too extreme.
I do agree that he can be pretty stubborn sometimes though.
LMAO IceyLoco you are a RIL trick bitch that thinks you have stripper GFs but they are telling you the same SS that verified online hoes do. It's consistent with the job. LMAO that you *think* you're not a trick but others that talk to strippers are.
So thanks for providing TUSCL an example of what can happen when you are the biggest trick bitch of them all.
LMAO you're a bitter and angry stripper ho or sugar baby that argues because you can't face the fact that you are a ho deep down. Or less likely you're an RIL drunk on SS IRL. Either way, you're a hypocritical trick bitch. LMAO.
@CC/DC the reason he has to change his opinions is because a lot of them are based on lies and he intertwines the lies between them all. Eventually one of those lies becomes conflicted with logical fact and thus he must change his opinion at times in order to rearrange his lies to make sense in his eyes.
I challenge you to ask him in PM exactly where and when was the last time he got laid with a stripper IRL and/or he got DFK and/or he started seeing a stripper OTC. LMAO let me know how that works out for you.
@ rick dugan what you don't understand is i get plenty of pussy in many states especially ky. I like tj because i prefer mexican chicas good mexican food and nice weather. What part of that can i not get through your thick skull. I just dont monger much in ky clubs because i like to fuck. Most of the strippers in ky are bj only in club. Do i need to tattoo that on your damn forehead. All you want to do is put down tj l.thats fine. I prefer mexican chicas. There are not many of those in ky. Plus there are way better looking chics in tj than the strippers in the louisville or lexington clubs that give extras.
Yes it is icy you can deny anything but it’s a fact that is trap his original avatar so suck on a dick or something, no not mine I wouldn’t want you near me you reek.
But wouldn't make a difference either way whether I know someone on here or not. Its just one of your inane arguments for the sake of arguing episodes.
IceyLoco posted to twentyfive -> "And make your mind up about me, it can't be always. Find someone new to troll, I'm done with your geriatric troll ass."
^ LMAO so says the "guy" that blocked me months ago and then unblocked me and now has me on block again.
@CC99 posted -> "Yes then he will say something about his privacy wall"
^ And the reason for this is because san_jose_creep does not have any recent real life experiences with a stripper. His only real recent experiences with women were back around 2015 when he was creeping on those Vietnamese AMP whores as per his threads created back then. And rather than admit that he doesn't have much real stripper interactions of late, he throws up his privacy wall on it and shuts down the conversation. He won't allow his mind to go there.
And once again, this is his defense mechanism from a personal inner demon. His privacy wall isn't up there to protect YOU from the truth that he doesn't really interact with strippers, it's there to protect HIM from it!
And furthermore, *if* he were to acknowledge it, he would then have to acknowledge the lies he tells himself (and the rest of us) constantly on TUSCL which is that he knows for a fact that all you need to do to get a stripper to have FS in the VIP room (when "it's time for your pants to come down") or "see her regularly OTC". The real truth is that he knows nothing about these matters and that he's just doing it to live a lie about himself on TUSCL. This is why I said he has to repeat himself so much because he has to maintain his denial of the truth about himself.
^ ...for a fact that all you need to do to get a stripper to have FS in the VIP room (when "it's time for your pants to come down") or "see her regularly OTC" *is to simply DFK her in the front room*...
@Countrygirl, you kicked the thread off with this: "When im in tj i am missing out on opportunities to go to u.s clubs and cum in my pants. How could i be so careless?" So that was what I responded to. Then you gave us a diatribe about non-extras U.S. clubs and blue balls, finishing it with: "Please explain it to me why anyone would want to spend all that money to be blueballed ldk or go home and jackoff please explain it to me."
We're not mind readers here - we can only respond to what's written. If you want to change the story now then go ahead I suppose, but stow the melodramatics. I doubt you're man enough to give my sister a forehead tattoo, nevermind me, not with the way you carried yourself with that last response.
Though I still don't buy your story change. You really ought to consider getting some lessons from GMD, who I suspect has no blue balls dilemma nor is limited to a BJ if he wants more. Shit, I came into your backyard cold on a one night stopover and got everything I wanted form a hot girl - don't know what your problem is.
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Countryman it seems you've been infected with whatever the fuck disease SJG has, where if someone doesn't have your same preferences and wants your response is to ridicule them. What the fuck for?
Since then I can't LDK no matter how hot she or what she tries.
And one reason LDK is so popular is the price. I spend no more on a lapdance without LDK as I do with LDK. Maybe my tip is $10 more for the LDK but often it is not. So to me, LDK is a relatively free service.
Also some of us here don't want any extras and only want to LDK. It could be for price or other personal reasons.
Why is this so hard for you understand about LDK? To summarize...
1) It is much cheaper than an extra and virtually the same cost as a vanilla lapdance.
2) It's an easy and convenient way to get an orgasm and feel great after a visit to the club.
3) Not every PL even wants extras or more.
Also it seems to me your bigger issue is non extras clubs and somehow the LDK PLs are what feed that business model (hence your "issue" with LDKs besides your personal one). And to that point I can't dispute it other than you don't really know for a fact that non extras clubs only exist because LDKers reduce the demand for extras clubs. And to that point I'm not so sure that is a good premise. You don't know how many LDK only guys drive the business of getting lapdance for one thing. Also you don't know if an LDK only PL is that way because he has no choice for going to an extras club. It's a bit of a chicken vs egg thing. Does the demand for LDKs only drive down the market for extras or does the lack of extras clubs drive up the demand for LDKs? Also there are legal reasons beyond whether or not one wants to LDK or not. So anyway, based on your real point and issues it may have been better to just start a rant thread about non extras clubs in the US rather than passive aggressively putting down LDKers (unintentionally).
And I can relate to you about this board. I don't even go to clubs anymore but yet I find a lot of entertainment posting here because of many of the members. Despite the truly pathetic trolls here, there is a good community of funny members.
SJG
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For this purpose, I really don't give a shit if the club is an extras club or not. Even the Follies situation doesn't sound anywhere near as appealing to me as OTC. I think the guys getting LDKs are approaching the situation in a much smarter way by paying $100 and getting grinded til they cum as opposed to a guy shelling out $450 or $500 just to pull his dick out.
On top of this you can get an LDK at any club where at least some contact with the PL's crotch is allowed.
To me it's a no brainer. For around an extra $10-20 bucks I can leave almost any club with an LDK compared to leaving without one. When you can LDK you can have a happy ending at almost any club.
SLD has the exact same feelings I do about the whole matter.
I'm sorry for feeling this way but the idea of a brothel girl taking five dicks before I walked in is kind of gross. Its one thing if she's fucking other guys but numerous guys in the same day just going in and out of her 30 minutes to an hour at a time is just kind of nasty. It makes me feel a lot better thinking that I can do OTC with a girl and think that I'm one of like two-four guys that she may be doing this with on other days of the week and just giving lap dances to the others.
Yeah I haven't been. Fair enough then.
SJG
Sexual frustration is exacerbated when you don't get any release and pent it up. Then when it gets really bad you may turn into a creep that just prowls a strip club discussion forum and lives vicariously through the posts of other guys getting sexual release. And then when it gets real bad you'll start deflecting the issue and tell those same guys that are getting sexual release that they are doing it wrong.
SLD you have the most thorough breakdown of his what you suspect his mindset is. Yet I still don't get why he worries so much about other guys, to the point of posting in every. single. thread about the same thing.
For me, it's fun occasionally to hear his rants and suggestions to things he's never experienced.
@SirLapdancealot
Great analysis, seems right on.
SJG
As long as your are not hurting anybody, live and let live.
One of my closer friends believes in monogamous relationships and occasionally berates me for my lifestyle choice, it's my life to live: to reap the consequences and enjoy the benefits.
If you enjoy LDKs good for you and enjoy, if you like just getting a good grindy LD go to a SC and enjoy, if you only enjoy FS go your local extras club and party on.
This does not mean that they have to be for 'entertainment' or for 'fun'.
The strip club is a fine tuned well oiled machine for separating marks from their money.
But the women are women. You don't have to take it as it is offered.
SJG
You can call it escapism, nothing wrong with that.
You enjoy your life as you wish, I enjoy mine everyday as I wish.
Separating me from my money is my whole point of mongering, I enjoy the experience.
You are right you don't have to take it as offered, but I enjoy taking it as offered.
I don't need a GFE to enjoy sex but that's just me, it's not my place to condone or condemn anyone's lifestyle choices or preferences.
I don't worry about SJG, he's entitled to his opinion, live and let live.
Does anyone else notice a common denominator with a CC99 and a previous member of TUSCL?
Seems to have a similar agenda to someone recently deleted... Just wondering out load.
Furthermore, his repetition, ad nauseum, of the issue is his denial defense mechanism from the bigger issue in his life which is that all his mongering is what lost all his and his wife's money and relationship. He's traumatised by it but the key is that he doesn't want to ever admit it. Again, he's stuck in a 'do-loop' of denial. As you already know, his entire TUSCL history of posts are very repetitive on getting lapdances being a "chump's game", getting DFK from a stripper leads to FS, and forming his sex organization. These are all denials and deflections and escapes from the issue that he ruined his whole life and TUSCL is his entire outlet because he simply cannot face that what he did to get there was his own damn fault. So he's blaming everything and anything but himself. It wasn't his careless spending of money that caused him to lose it all, it was the 'clip joint' strip clubs that was the root cause! LMAO he talks down about escapism and even that is what he himself is doing on TUSCL!
Also on top of all of this his mind blew out and he became batshit crazy again because of the PTSD of his divorce and unending denial about why it happened.
So there you have it and why he's obsessed with TUSCL and all his issues and ways of mongering. Trust me on this, as long as TUSCL exists and he can post here he will NEVER (EVER!) stop. He's here to live vicariously through our posts of having fun with strippers, but when the guys that have fun in the way that he *thinks* that he ruined his own life, like getting lapdances but not wanting sex, it triggers his defense mechanism and he starts blathering about his issue with it.
I know this all may sound far-fetched to you, but that is only because you have common sense and a stable mind. In order to understand san_jose_creep you have to really understand his mindset which is that of a mentally traumatised man in a huge state of denial.
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Wow, that is some serious analysis.
PTSD, monger style.
I'm divorced almost 5 years, spent six months sulking, 2.5 years in Vietnamese Bikini Coffee Shops, 1 year in OC & Topless SC (didn't know extras existed), 6 months recovering from Stomach Surgery, and the rest of time partying my ass off in COI and TJ.
That's how I handled my divorce.
PTSD, Cristobal style.
In regards to my analysis, I was actually very similar to TFP about san_jose_creep when I first joined TUSCL. I didn't understand him and why he was this broken record troll at guys who choose to simply get lap dances for what they are at a strip club. So I studied his post history and how it evolved from when he joined TUSCL. I didn't read everything he ever posted but I explored a few of them in detail and I also noted how they and his mindset evolved over time. It all supports everything I stated in my analysis.
He's basically the village idiot of TUSCL. A crazy and destitute man using it as an echo chamber for his own demented fantasies and thoughts. It's one of the only things he's got left in life. Almost every day he goes to free internet at the library and escapes from his destitute life by logging on and doing his thing over and over and over again. His story is a cautionary tale to all other married mongers. It's what could happen to them if they take their mongering overboard and can't own the repercussions.
I figured as much and your analysis and support seem spot on.
I find it humorous and interesting occasionally to respond to his post, especially when I'm bored.
Not advising, suggesting, or advocating but I from experience much of that destitute might be cured (or at least helped), ironically by getting an LDK or visiting TJ and banging a bargirl PSE.
Mis dos centavos.
Thanks for tip.
This should be very interesting.
And even more ironically he has been openly offered legit expenses paid trips by founder and Countryman! But sadly he denies the offer as if he doesn't need it and to suggest it is an invasion of his privacy. It might be his pride but also FYI I'm pretty sure he suffers from ED now so that is a factor in why he doesn't actually want to try and get sexual release. He's to the point now in his PTSD that all he really wants is to post about stripper interactions and sex rather than actually have them IRL. It's not just irony it is a travesty of irony.
Once you understand SJG better, you realize he is actually quite altruistic. His brain is just programmed so differently from yours that its very difficult for you to understand why he does what he does. One very important thing to understand about SJG is that, even though he believes his viewpoints to be correct, he's not actually that interested in lording it over you. Normal people think that all arguing is essentially a way to prove your superiority to somebody which is why they don't tend to like it. Arguing for most normal people is an emotional experience, perhaps a very emotional experience. For SJG and I, its not an emotional experience at all. Its more like playing a game of chess. You want to win, but when your opponent wins and you realize that your logical argument got checkmated, its kind of exciting actually because you've gotten so good at this game that you didn't even realize anyone could checkmate you. Its also exciting to play against somebody who's also very good at this because its much more rewarding to win against them than it is to win against somebody who's never given his opinions much thought and just went with whatever. The way arguments are done though, its hard for a lot of people to realize who really won and who really lost. In-fact, there may not be winners or losers until every logical argument has been perceived to be exhausted. For me and SJG, we essentially just keep the game going all the time. It looks pointless to other people but to us its exciting. We keep going on and on because we want to see who won the game. Normal people tend to prefer that everybody just respect everyone else's opinions and not try to change it because their opinions are attached to their emotions and being forced to reconsider an opinion is an emotionally difficult experience for them. Me and SJG don't feel this though, so its more like a fun game to us.
SJG just believes himself to be really really good at this game on a subconscious level. Basically, you just haven't figured out how to beat his idea yet.
It's great you think similarly to him and can relate to his way of thinking. But to think it is advanced chess is just your own opinion based on your subjective view of it. Note that others may have objectively read his thoughts and posts with the same openness as you but came to a much different conclusion about him.
And by your own admission you are having a positive emotional experience as you "argue" with san_jose_creep. You contradict yourself in saying you don't have some emotion in your discourse but yet you *might* connect with him on an emotional level. To me it clearly biases your opinion of him.
By the way it's not that "deep" to understand that emotion should never play a role in an argument. I think you assume that.
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Dafuq? Did you take double your retard prescription pill tonight?
That's interesting, I hadn't thought of it that way. In that case it could be a matter of positive emotions felt vs negative emotions.
There are ways to get somebody to agree they're wrong. It is definitely a lot more difficult in a public forum than it is over PMs though.
"which is a game where the solution is a tie unless you are an idiot that lets the other win."
That's why its more interesting to argue thinking that you are right but understanding that you could not be. Losing can be interesting too. It could just be that I want to test the ideas in my head early on because its much easier to move forward once you've either confirmed that idea to be true or are able to dismiss it as false.
"By the way it's not that "deep" to understand that emotion should never play a role in an argument. I think you assume that."
Its more about the fact that there seems to be a large disconnect between the way that SJG and I communicate vs the rest of the forum. So I'm trying to figure out what exactly that is and why I relate to SJG. I agree with some of his opinions and disagree with others, the same could be said for several other people here. But for some reason I feel I relate to him much more strongly than others and I don't know why. Another weird thing seems to be that I, for whatever reason, don't care if he judges me for buying lap dances or smoking weed. Weirdly enough, I do seem to care though when someone judges me for being a young PL who hires hookers and goes to strip clubs. So why the double standard? What's going that makes me perceive what SJG is saying as not being an attack.
I understand this. Some people can comprehend and acknowledge that they are factually incorrect.
Again my point is that you are playing a tic-tac-toe game with san_jose_creep. You are an idiot for thinking he will ever change his mind for anyone. In fact you out of all people being someone that PMs with him should already know this. It is telling that you don't already know that he is a narcissist that is incapable of admitting his faults. His mind is locked in a mental state from his own denial. If he can't admit to himself that he blew his life and marriage he certainly isn't going to concede any points to you, me, or anyone else. You can bank on this. And so when you see the whole game with him as chess, I see you as a buffoon that thinks this but is actually playing tic-tac-toe. You will get nowhere in your game with him and no it isn't because he's so good at it. It's because he's a bonafide narcissist and you don't realize it because of your emotional bias.
"But for some reason I feel I relate to him much more strongly than others and I don't know why."
My issue with creep is not that I can't relate to his points. I don't see that he is any different than anyone else in that he has a right to his own views. My only issue with him is that he is a dickhead troll (whether intentional or not) and condescending jerk towards you just because of his own inner demons. His issues with LDKs and lap dances are his and his alone yet he takes out his shame of it all on others. He doesn't need to act like this towards other people as a grown man. Having PTSD and going through drama doesn't give him a pass on it with me either.
^ I already explained this to TFP and Cristobal.
He's attacking his own inner demons a lot of times. I'm just saying it shouldn't be TUSCL's duty to put up with it.
I can bet money that even without seeing your PMs with him, SJG has never typed the words "I stand corrected" or "wow, I was seeing that wrong" or "I thought this is how something was but you've shown me otherwise". Probably not a single statement close to those phrases.
CC how can you even honestly have a conversation with him? I've read the 'conversations' that you guys have here in public. It's you responding to him and acknowledging his points, and him not acknowledging a word you say unless it falls in line with his regularly regurgitated crap he spews over and over. In a normal conversation you can go back and forth and ask each other questions. Yet in any exchange with him he either ignores your questions or starts the same ass line about his privacy wall. In that same breath he will ask you question after question though.
Isn't GMD in your neck of the woods? He seems to be having a fine time close to home. Maybe he'd give you a few lessons on how it's done if you returned the favor by springing for his next VIP room. ;)
^ A real good example is his mantra: "The level of sexual frustration is high. People go for LDKing in strip clubs, they are just paying their own money to exacerbate their own sexual frustration."
^ He's point blank wrong about this mantra because he has zero clue or fact that getting LDKs is exacerbating their sexual frustration. He can't decide how or why other people do what they do. He has no clue as to another's motivations and desires.
Furthermore the only reason he has this idea in his head is because a stripper said it to him once! LMAO he takes a stripper's SS said to him once and it all of a sudden it becomes "fact".
Both lines of reasoning have bee put forth to the creep to no avail. Again it's not because he's such a good "chess" player, it's because he's extremely myopic in his thinking which ultimately is because he would rather believe it than face his own internal demons that he exacerbated his own sexual frustrations by failing epically to get sex from strippers in a private dance.
Look, if an LDK is the only way a guy can get off... you don't know his situation, why he's doing it, why he doesn't do something else. Does it really matter to you how he gets off??? Yeah dancers think its nasty AF, but whatever.
Also plenty of strippers are fine with it. Just because you're a stripper ho that thinks it's nasty doesn't mean all strippers do.
Idiot.
I read a few of the "Chronicles of an AMP chump"
Wow, that was shall I say interesting reading.
The candor of the experience is impressive but to be so oblivious to what was actually happening was amazing.
And if a man has options, he's certainly gonna exercise them before paying a stripper money to grind on him while he's fully clothed til he cums in his pants
And LMAO you are an idiot still for assuming a man doesn't choose LDK when he has other options. Plenty of TUSCL PLs have posted to this effect.
Maybe you should read more TUSCL posts than make them since you talk out of your ass when it comes to mongering "knowledge".
Idiot.
But thanks for telling that verified online hoes approve of you cumming in your pants.
You're a little fag who argues for the sake of arguing.
He does sometimes change his opinions. I don't want to share our conversations but he will sometimes shift his opinions on things. Its very subtle though. He doesn't do it overtly in terms of "I stand corrected" and you won't make massive waves with him but he sometimes seems to recognize his viewpoint on something might've been too extreme.
I do agree that he can be pretty stubborn sometimes though.
So thanks for providing TUSCL an example of what can happen when you are the biggest trick bitch of them all.
LMAO you're a bitter and angry stripper ho or sugar baby that argues because you can't face the fact that you are a ho deep down. Or less likely you're an RIL drunk on SS IRL. Either way, you're a hypocritical trick bitch. LMAO.
I challenge you to ask him in PM exactly where and when was the last time he got laid with a stripper IRL and/or he got DFK and/or he started seeing a stripper OTC. LMAO let me know how that works out for you.
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Normal people change their opinions or have them vary based on the context. That's normal...
As you stated, it's normal that I could change my opinion on the issue or vary it based on context. That's normal...
Once again LMAO you just made a hypocritical post! ROFLMAO just like a hypocritical trick bitch!
FWIW I only troll trolls.
^ LMAO so says the "guy" that blocked me months ago and then unblocked me and now has me on block again.
Idiot.
^ And the reason for this is because san_jose_creep does not have any recent real life experiences with a stripper. His only real recent experiences with women were back around 2015 when he was creeping on those Vietnamese AMP whores as per his threads created back then. And rather than admit that he doesn't have much real stripper interactions of late, he throws up his privacy wall on it and shuts down the conversation. He won't allow his mind to go there.
And once again, this is his defense mechanism from a personal inner demon. His privacy wall isn't up there to protect YOU from the truth that he doesn't really interact with strippers, it's there to protect HIM from it!
And furthermore, *if* he were to acknowledge it, he would then have to acknowledge the lies he tells himself (and the rest of us) constantly on TUSCL which is that he knows for a fact that all you need to do to get a stripper to have FS in the VIP room (when "it's time for your pants to come down") or "see her regularly OTC". The real truth is that he knows nothing about these matters and that he's just doing it to live a lie about himself on TUSCL. This is why I said he has to repeat himself so much because he has to maintain his denial of the truth about himself.
We're not mind readers here - we can only respond to what's written. If you want to change the story now then go ahead I suppose, but stow the melodramatics. I doubt you're man enough to give my sister a forehead tattoo, nevermind me, not with the way you carried yourself with that last response.
Though I still don't buy your story change. You really ought to consider getting some lessons from GMD, who I suspect has no blue balls dilemma nor is limited to a BJ if he wants more. Shit, I came into your backyard cold on a one night stopover and got everything I wanted form a hot girl - don't know what your problem is.