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Check out the supporting documents Cohen is submitting to support his testimony later today.

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Only a retard would believe a convicted liar, or anything on cnbc.

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Call.Me.Ishmael

No, he's really not. First, even if Cohen's testimony is compelling, I'm not convinced that there's the political will in Congress to do anything about it, or that the public will care enough to create the political will in Congress.

It'll be interesting to see the supporting documentation supplied by Cohen to back up his claims. That's where Trump could take some lumps.

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OldGringo

There are people lining up to fuck him from all sides. It's just a matter of time.

Will he be screwed for tax fraud in NY? Will he be screwed for his pay for access presidency, where he is profiting by having foreign officials stay at his hotels in order to meet with him? Screwed for not putting his assets in a blind trust before entering office? Screwed for perjury? For treason? For sexual assault? For obstruction of justice?

Take your pick. There's no telling which domino will fall first, but the bottom line is he's fucked. It's only a matter of time.

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CJKent (Banned)

Like I said before:

“Teflon-coated presidency”

A president’s ability to deflect charges of corruption or scandal. Said first of President Ronald Reagan.

It is a significant phenomenon in American politics — the willingness of voters to excuse in some politicians shortcomings that they wouldn’t accept in most others...

American Denial an American Dilemma...

“white privilege created the Teflon Effect in which wealth and being white as well as male allow virtually nothing to stick to a person”

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Call.Me.Ishmael

Listen, I don't like Trump. I wish you were right, but I don't think you are.

For all of the things you listed above there needs to be (a) a level of proof that is incontrovertible and truly damning, and (b) the political will to remove him from office. Both of those are high hurdles in the courtroom and in Congress.

There's speculation that even the Democrats might prefer to have him in the 2020 election especially if there's solid evidence of wrongdoing, because it's easier to beat a candidate who has more baggage than LAX.

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As we discovered with Bill Clinton, as long as we are at peace and the economy strong, the public will not allow politicians to remove Trump from office. As long as he is President, he cannot be convicted criminally. Impeachment and conviction by the Senate is the only recourse and that ain’t gonna happen.

We can look forward to 6 more years of prosperity, foreign policy success, and originalist judges.

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Gosh, skibum. I guess that your selective memory has forgotten John Dean's testimony that people (including me) initially thought wss a pack of lies but ended up being true right down the line.

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Yeah, believe "testimony" from Michael Cohen lol

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Lone_Wolf

I don't know man, I've been hearing declarations like that since the first day he was elected.

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Lone_Wolf

If that is all Trump's "fixer" of ten years has on him it's not much.

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founder

Crazy Horse III in Vegas has a fantastic happy hour. Runs from 8am to 8pm.

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dangledong1

I hope the Medicare for all covers Trump Derangement Syndrome. LOL !!! America is Great Again!

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Call.Me.Ishmael

It's willful stupidity for Republicans in Congress to behave as if a criminal talking about criminal acts is suddenly not a legitimate way to implicate other criminals.

As if the entire history of getting shitty people to turn state's evidence is something that suddenly surprises and offends a body of elected officials who are either lawyers themselves or have far more exposure to legal processes than almost anyone.

[Congressman clutches pearls] "I'm supposed to believe a demon's testimony about Hell? This is unheard of! Someone summon a pure and good angel so we can have a real discussion of damnation!"

Sure...

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"It's willful stupidity for Republicans in Congress to behave as if a criminal talking about criminal acts is suddenly not a legitimate way to implicate other criminals. "

+1

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twentyfive

Unless he gets caught with a live boy, or a dead girl, in his bed, the enablers are just gotkeep on enabling.

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skibum609

Gee whiz I don't recal John Dean being a convicted liar. Weak effort. At the end of the day Cohen's hearing is designed solely to mask the fact the democrats are impotent and winning the House changed nothing. Too bad Trump didn't get impeached and convicted because President Pence would mae the democrats shit themselves, not just wet themselves like now.

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"Crazy Horse III in Vegas has a fantastic happy hour. Runs from 8am to 8pm."

^^^ best comment.. let's get back to tits and ass. Fuck politics.

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OldGringo

Well done skibum. Your experience defending guilty clients is coming in handy in this thread. You're doing a good job defending Trump! Now get back to defending the guilty people that are paying you!

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Call.Me.Ishmael

MackTruck said "^^^ best comment.. let's get back to tits and ass. Fuck politics."

#irony

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Sorry Gringo but I ahave hated Donald Trump since meeting him in person in Atlantic city 30 years ago. I did not and would not ever vote for him because of that, as well as the fact that he was a democrat and in my mind will always be one and a friend of the Clintons. As a bostonian I am bred to hate anything and everyone from New York as well. That being said he is not my enemy and Progressives are. You can hate Nazis and dirty commie fucks; they are not mutually exclusive. I voted Gary Johnson, hoping he'd win, die and Weld would be President. I workled on Weld's first campaign when he ran for AG and he'd be a btter President than any of the assholes running. My neihbors dachsund would be preferable to every Democrat. Do I believe Trump colluded with Russia? Naw, ego maniacs never think they need help and he doesn't listen to anyone except the voices in his tiny brain. Do I klnow why the Russians were able to get invloved with the lection bullshit of FB; yes. Useless Obama already said he knew they were doing it but did nothiong because he didn't want to influence the election. I took a shit this morning smarter than Obama and Trump combined.

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My bet would be he has you on ignore for the same reason a I do, because you’re an idiot and always say the same stupid things.

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founder

This thread makes me LOL

Not only is Trump NOT fucked, here's a list of predictions.

  1. Republicans take back the house in 2020
  2. Senate stays Red
  3. Trump elected by a larger EC vote
  4. Trump wins popular vote.
  5. DPRK becomes a free and productive democracy
  6. Trump wins Nobel Peace prize in 2022
  7. 38% of Democrats still allow Trump to live rent free in their heads.
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Warrenboy75

First off Founder say hello to my ex.....(lol)

The media will not let anything with Trump die which is the real problem he has......people still believe the news is the news. However as long as public opinion stays where it is currently the democrats are not going to impeach him....understand the polls we see and the ones Senators and Congresspeople do are two very different animals.

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I don’t know that he’s fucked, but I do know he’s over exposed, my feeling is the public is getting tired of the whole dog and pony show associated with him, and Trump fatigue is starting to set in, my only hope is that the election of 2020 doesn’t produce a huge overreaction causing if another incompetent blowhard to become president, that’s the real danger here.

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A lot is going to depend who comes out of the pack on the democratic side of the picture and who runs as an Independent.

The problem as I see it for the liberals is too many of them are moving further and further to the left and while that plays well on CNN and MSNBC as well as up and down both coast it doesn't do well elsewhere....and if the silent minority stays silent again like they did last time no one is going to see the results coming (again)

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My prediction is that he probably makes it through the next two years in office, but barely. He probably won't be impeached, but he might be.

He'll lose the next election and then once he's out of office, he'll be convicted of tax fraud and possibly other crimes as well. He may spend time behind bars or he may work out some sort of plea deal.

Either way, I still think he's fucked. It's just a matter of how bad and when.

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Founder, I agree with all of your predictions except the last one. Trump lives rent free in the minds of ALL Democrats.

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cjkent:
“Teflon-coated presidency”
It is a significant phenomenon in American politics — the willingness of voters to excuse in some politicians shortcomings that they wouldn’t accept in most others...
“white privilege created the Teflon Effect in which wealth and being white as well as male allow virtually nothing to stick to a person”

What about Marion Barry getting elected mayor?

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@yahtzee74

It is called Tokenism; the practice of making only a perfunctory or symbolic effort to be inclusive to members of minority groups, that is how American politics works.

American Denial is really the American Dilemma.

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Oldgringo, no ex president will ever be convicted let alone jailed for anything. You know how bad that would look to the rest of the world? It ain't gonna happen.

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I believe that in Taiwan they convicted and jailed a former President.

After WWII the US helped convict and execute high ranking officials, and they wanted to do it to a head of state.

Jefferson Davis was convicted and incarcerated.

Were it not for his resignation and then Ford pardoning him, would Nixon have been convicted and jailed?

SJG

Pull the red time bar back some from the present. AOC and others are questioning Cohen about Trump's tax returns. It goes back a little over three hours. They ask him about the making of a shell company to pay hush money to Stormy Daniels.
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John Dean and E. Howard Hunt, portrayed:
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Jeff Healey
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I'll say it again..if that's all the dirt Cohen has on Trump after ten years of being his fixer, Trump has nothing to worry about.

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I’d very seriously doubt Trump gets convicted and/or jailed, there will be a deal cut, they are not going to impeach him, that won’t work, but I doubt he gets re-elected.

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I don't think Cohen, now after listening to him, is really trying to hurt Trump, not by going back into things the authorities do not now know about.

But Cohen seems to be just the very very beginning.

SJG

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This gets really contentious when Ms. Talib from Michigan gets to question Cohen. About 1 back from the present.

www.youtube.com

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IDK - Trump seems to have a knack for surviving all kinds of drama - he's been having legal drama for the last 30-years - per Wikipedia:

"... An analysis by USA Today published in June 2016 found that over the previous three decades, United States president Donald Trump and his businesses have been involved in 3,500 legal cases in U.S. federal courts and state court, an unprecedented number for a U.S. presidential candidate.[1] Of the 3,500 suits, Trump or one of his companies were plaintiffs in 1,900; defendants in 1,450; and bankruptcy, third party, or other in 150.[1] Trump was named in at least 169 suits in federal court.[2] Over 150 other cases were in the Seventeenth Judicial Circuit Court of Florida (covering Broward County, Florida) since 1983.[3] In about 500 cases, judges dismissed plaintiffs' claims against Trump. In hundreds more, cases ended with the available public record unclear about the resolution.[1] Where there was a clear resolution, Trump won 451 times, and lost 38 ..."

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^^^^^ But the standards are higher for POTUS, and the proof test was Nixon.

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I heard Starbucks' Howard Schultz give a talk - and although he's a bit too-progressive for my taste, some of the things he mentioned made sense to me and less of a turnoff compared to what most of the dem whack-jobs are shooting for - but he seems to be be angling to run as an independent and that would be hard to pull-off and at the same time likely hurt the dem candidate.

Former NYC major Michael Bloomberg may give it a run in 2020 and he may be willing to spend in upwards of $100-million; if he runs it seems he would run as a dem:

www.cnbc.com

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Not for anything when I mentioned optics.......having Deb Watch-her-Mouth Schultz question anyone on ethics after her tenure as DNC Chairperson

www.theguardian.com..

BTW I saw the Bernie Sanders interview on CBS......his comments on Howard Schultz left a lot to be desired considering he considers himself a Independent.

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The Trump base won't let the spineless Republicans in Congress stand up to him. So it will be gridlock until 2020. Get ready to be bored of this, because it's now The election issue along with the recession that is starting.

Will America re elect Trump or go with a mediocre Democrat?

Cohen assfucked Trump and a bunch of house Republicans hard today. Beware a man with nothing left to lose.

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I agree that Trump won't go to jail. But Kushner or Don Jr. or both will face criminal charges.

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^ That's probably where the negotiation is going to be and most likely the leverage as well.

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OldGringo

Attention shifting to the New York investigation now. That could be the biggest risk to him, even more so than Congress and Mueller. Cohen avoided answering questions today that encroached on the topics being investigated in NY. The Trump organization may be under investigation in NY right now for insurance fraud, tax evasion, bank fraud, and more. There's even the prospect of RICO charges being brought against the Trump Organization. Today's testimony was only the sorbet of a five course meal yet to be served. Trump is fucked. I'll be sitting back with my popcorn watching this narcissistic liar, cheater, and fraud get taken down, along with his corrupt family and enablers.

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One of the biggest and most embarrassing take aways was the emporer has no clothes. A man who has been focused on being seen as a successful business man clearly was lying to support his ego. Cohen laid out the trail for the media. Trump is weak and petty. The only real success he has had in life was his TV show.

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One word, YAWN!

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An analysis from pjmedia.com . So true.

“The day the Democrats decided to schedule the House Oversight Committee hearing with Michael Cohen to coincide with Trump's negotiations with North Korean leader Kim Jong Un in Hanoi is the day the Democrats ensured the president's reelection. It was one of those rare moments of clarity you can imagine in the history books.

The Democrats revealed themselves as partisan hacks while the president was half way around the world trying to save the lives of millions. That's not just bad timing, it's atrocious. And it has little to do with the success or failure of the talks with Kim. No one knows how that will turn out, probably not even the principals themselves. It has do with the priorities of the human race like global survival -- what a normal person should care about.

At first the consensus (at least among the talking heads) was that the hearing would outshine whatever was happening in Hanoi, but as the day wore on with no revelations that were even slightly new (Trump paid Stormy -- je suis shockay), no evidence of conspiracy with the Russians whatsoever, just tons of speculation and innuendo we have been hearing since the day Trump came down the escalator, and ended with Rep. Rashida Tlaib (D-MI) in some racist rant at Rep. Mark Meadows (we already knew she was an anti-Semite), we realized we were witnessing a bizarre clown show that only a CNN commentator could like.”

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Majorly fucked.

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I think a printed check for 35k made out to his lawyer with his signature on it, it absolutely laughable to think that he personally signed it, and it wasn't printed on a printer equipped with a signature chip. No one looks at them anymore, but if you get a real paycheck from your job, it's got the owner or president of the companies signature on it. Do you think that guy sits in his office all day signing checks, that's retarded. Do you think they approve every transaction that hits their books? They have people that do all this stuff for them. So if an invoice shows up, from his lawyers office, with a description that says "retainer for the month of January and February 2017" which is what was reported back in August, the accounts payable department might make someone sign that invoice, initial it, send an e-mail approval to pay it, or it might be one of those trusted accounts that you just pay, because, you assume your lawyer isn't going to fuck you over.

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I think when you're that rich you hire people to do a lot of stuff for you, you hope they are doing everything on the up and up, if they aren't you hope you don't know about it, don't hear about it and nothing comes back to bite you on it. But to think that Trump and Cohan had a white board session where they discussed the shell companies that would be involved in the hush money is again...retarded. Even that audio recording that was so damming that was released a few months back, at best it was Cohan saying I'm going to go ahead with setting up that cooperation and Trump was like ok. I bet this is closer to the truth than anything you'll hear from the media.

Someone - Um Mr Trump, we were contracted today by the lawyer for Stephanie Clifford.
Trump - who the fuck is that?
someone - she's a porn start named Stormie Daniels
Trump - oh yeah, terrific fuck, but bolt on tits which you know I don't care for, and she wouldn't let me fuck her in the ass which I thought was disrespectful.
Trump - so what is she contacting us for
someone - they want to go forward with an interview about your relationship, but have signaled that an agreement can be met if we pony up some cash
Trump - I don't give a shit, I'll probably go up 6 points in the next polls
someone - yeah...but you were married to Melania at the time, and I don't believe she was aware of this one.
Trump - that fucking cunt, right before the election, i tell ya, I fucked her, now she wants to fuck me back. fucking bitch. ok, get a hold of Michael and do whatever you got to do to make it go away
Trump - and have someone get me a coke please

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If Trump announced tomorrow that he was actually a democrat dressed as a republican and in 2020 he's running as a liberal, guess what. I'd vote for a republican in 2020, and I bet most of you liberals would vote for Trump. most of us vote party lines, but we get pissed off at the other side when they do the same thing. I thought, and still think that Obama is a communist, you are sure many of you think Trump is either a Russian agent or a Nazi. The reality is, they are just opinionated assholes just like us, only their opinion can actually change some shit.

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Haven't they already had multiple people testify in front of Congress and it was built-up to be some kinda major shit that would bring Trump down and nothing happened

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GeneraI

Every week the news says this is it, we got this motha fucka now, and every week no one cares

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JamesSD

Trump violated campaign finance laws and continues to lie about it. He paid hush money to a porn star he had an affair with.

This is like Monica Lewinsky times 100

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Is it a violation of campaign financial laws if he used his own money? It's not as if he needed to get $$$ from his campaign in order to make the payment.

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Accurate predictions are very difficult.

“Rich Uncle Pennybags” (aka founder) is very bold in his predictions.

There is only a fifty-fifty chance that his predictions will happen.

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Oh I thought Founder was kidding with his predictions. Although there is a good chance the Senate stays red, as the map in 2020 is better for the Dems than it was in 2018, but it's still not ideal for grabbing 3 to 4 seats.

Like the DPRK thing is never gonna happen. Well, not within the lifetime of half this board.

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Did you know? ( and if you did I'm betting you didn't hear about it from the MSM)---more bad optics.

President Trump’s former personal attorney Michael Cohen said Wednesday that he and his legal team spoke with top Democratic Reps. Elijah Cummings and Adam Schiff before his testimony in front of the House Oversight and Reform Committee.

In a testy exchange between Cohen and Rep. Jody Hice, R-Ga., the president’s former lawyer said that his legal team has spoken to members of the Democratic Party ahead of Wednesday’s hearing on Capitol Hill.

"We've spoken to the party," Cohen said, adding that he has also spoken with Schiff, the chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, "and his people" but added that he only consulted with his lawyers to prepare for the hearing. Cummings is chairman of the House oversight committee that held Wednesday's hearing.

READ: MICHAEL COHEN'S PREPARED OPENING STATEMENT BEFORE HOUSE OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE

While it is standard practice for witnesses testifying before Congress – and their lawyers – to talk beforehand with the heads of committees holding the hearings, Republicans already had complained about Cohen's interactions with the panel, including that he didn't turn over testimony and evidence until hours before the hearing's start.

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@Papi - “Is it a violation of campaign financial laws if he used his own money?”

  1. Those aren’t the facts. Cohen used his money and then Trump paid Cohen back. That’s what Cohen said and that’s what Guiliani said.

  2. Even if Trump used his own money, it’s still a violation of campaign finance laws. He was supposed to have declared it and he didn’t.

That’s the law and we are a country that values the rule of law, at least that’s what I keep hearing on Fox News.

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I thought we did too until I saw the shit Hillary got away with.

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They got Spiro Agnew out by a plea deal, he would resign in lieu of prosecution for tax evasion. Trump might be gotten out the same way, resignation in lieu of impeachment and prosecution.

SJG

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Remind me again what Hillary got away with? Benghazi? Using a private email server? It all seems quaint compared to what Trump is dealing with.

Bill got a BJ in the oval office and lied about it. Apply the same standard appropriately.

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After hearing excerpts of Micheal Cohens testimony I think I want to see transcripts of Trumps school grades rather than his tax returns.

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Remind me again what Hillary got away with? Benghazi? Using a private email server? It all seems quaint compared to what Trump is dealing with."

A truly idiotic statement.

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James I'd be happy to do so but I'm afraid I could be #48.

James McDougal, Vince Foster........etc.

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Unlike Trump, Justin Trudeau is genuinely fucked. The liberal pretty boy, and empty suit, is going down in a rapidly developing scandal.

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Isn’t anyone curious to know about his school transcripts I’m curious because he has all the best words ;)

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^^ I'm very curious. Would love to see his SAT scores.

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founder

I would much rather see college transcripts than income tax returns for ALL presidents.

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^^^^^ wasn't it Dan Quayle who refused to release his college transcripts, and then said in defense of this, "I have never claimed that I was anything more than an average student."

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"Not everybody turned on, tuned in, and dropped out."

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The House will impeach and after today's testimony, the Senate will have enough votes to convict. I hope Trump does testify. That will be the funniest thing on tv in decades.

It's pretty funny seeing him go all the way to the Supreme Court to keep his tax returns a secret. Nobody goes to great lengths such as that unless they are hiding something massive.

Once he leaves office, the Southern District of New York will convict him of many crimes.

Trump is fucked.

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"....the Senate will have enough votes to convict. "


That sure sounds like wishful thinking.

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The senate always has enough votes to convict but they haven’t got the guts

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^^ good point. At this point the impeachment isn't about the facts -- it's more about whether the Senate will put up with this level of corruption.

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When Trump pulled those troops out of Turkey / Syria / Iraq, and Russians moved in, we found a new level of massive concern. Including a bipartisan group of women congress members with military service and military family histories.

That was also when Sec. Esper and CJCS Milley appeared together to announce more troops and weapon systems moving into the region. They seemed to sense a need to calm the nation down.

This troop movement has yet to be fully explored. It meant that US Troops were retreating under fire, from Turkish Nato artillery.

It was obviously an idiotic move, done without consulting Esper or Milley. Why did Trump do it, act to advance what has been a Russian strategic goal since I was in high school, really since the 20's and 30's.

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With Nixon it got down to only 4 of the 100 Senators still standing with him.

And Nixon never did anything to disrespect or embarrass US Troops. He never had prominent Republicans denouncing him either.

SJG

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Nixon never let federal workers go without pay, either.

SJG

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The economy is bad , high unemployment

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skibum609

Trump won't be convicted and will win re-election as real Americans tell progressives to go fuck themselves....again.

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Happy Impeachment Day asshole !

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twentyfive

Trump will survive impeachment only because the senators don't trust Mike Pence, and will lose the 2020 election by a large margin

The only thing you guys don't seem to get is how bad a candidate you have to be to lose to that loser Trump

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Twenty Five - when the nominations are set we need to place a cash wager on the outcome, because as awful as Trump may be the leftward turn of the democrats already ended their chances.

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"...the democrats already ended their chances."


Trump's approval rating is 43% right now -- which is relatively good for Trump and very bad for presidents in general. Anything can happen until November, but you'd probably rate Trump's election chances right now as a mild underdog in 2020.

His 6-page letter to Pelosi the other day was a rambling, incoherent, diatribe full of lies and gibberish. He's unstable, mentally ill, and an embarrassment -- the last person you would want to have their finger on nuclear weapons.

In a nutshell, there's overwhelming evidence that he bribed Ukraine -- with taxpayer dollars -- to dig up dirt on Biden and to spread a conspiracy theory about Ukraine interfering in the 2016 elections. I could have some respect for the GOP if they admitted his actions were wrong but not impeachable; instead it's a laughable and cartoonish circus of denial.

Everyone lives in their own bubble and we can't agree on basic facts. I don't have a Facebook account, but I get the feeling that social media is the root cause of these alternate realities.

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The biggest feat the Dems have accomplished here is to turn the concept of impeachment into something pedestrian and partisan. This was never intended to be used as a political weapon, which is the very reason our Founding Fathers rejected lesser criteria like "maladministration." It was rather designed as a grave remedy when a President committed crimes so inexcusable that his continued service could pose a risk to the country and its Democratic institutions.

Nobody takes this seriously other than the same rabid and shrill coastal Dems who have been beating the impeachment war drums since the House changed hands in 2018. Like Trump or hate him, anyone who is a serious student of the Constitution should see this as a sad day in the history of our government. Fortunately the Founding Fathers, foreseeing this very type of potential misuse of Congressional impeachment powers as a political tool, built in a 2/3 majority conviction requirement for the Senate.

I also think that founder was right in his post above. When this all shakes out, I think that Dems are going to pay a steep price for this behavior in 2020. We've had a year of nothing but never-ending investigations and I think that swing state independents and centrists in districts that Dems flipped in 2018 are going to be fed up.

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Overwhleming must be a synonym for none, because the fact is he was looking for information on crimes committed by the Bidens. As far as polls? I don't believe them, but while his approval rating may be 43%, latest polls in Iowa show him beating every Democrat. At the end of the day most Americans without a progressive axe to grind simply assume all American Presidents bully other countries to get what we/they want. Sort of like Hunyter Biden getting a job. Joe would have to bully 7/11 to get that cum stain a job there as well. Trump would lose to the Democrats if they ever figure out that a guy like Joe Manchin would win, but he's a white, male centrist who was born here and worked his way up; and all of those things are bad in the progressive world. If Democrats actually believe thaty AOC, Ilhan Omar,. Nadler, Schumer, Pelosi, Schiff represent anything other than the coastal elite and those with their hand out, they will lose again and again. Random I agree with your comment on social media, which in reality is actually neither. The internet, started as the information highway has become the misinformation highway, but the bigger problem is that "mainstream" news is simply bullshit opinion. Reading on CNN the other week about the "stand your ground" defense used by George Zimmerman and the simple fcat is that it wasn't used at trial and the preliminary hearing required under law before it could be used, was not only never held, but no request for one was ever filed. CNN is merely repeating a lie hoping it becomes fact and somehwre out beyond George Orwell laughs his arse off.

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All I have to say is impeachment is proof positive that our country is working, in another country, in times past it would have been a violent government overthrow, you idiots believe what you like truth is Trump bought this on himself, and it’s better than he deserves say whatever you like the man is a liar and has always been a cheat, still is and those chickens are coming home to roost.

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No 25, impeachment is proof that some of our politicians have bowed down to mob anger in their districts instead of behaving like cool headed leaders who understand the broader Constitutional implications. Personal animus is not supposed to be enough to remove a sitting President, nor are poor judgment or contested exercises of executive privilege. "High crimes and misdemeanors" was a term very carefully crafted to cover grave illegal acts.

But if you want to post more shrill hyperbole and name calling while trying to portray yourself as the voice of reason, then have at it I suppose, ;)

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^Whatever, sounds like you're fairly angry, jes sayin

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True 25 but in times past in America the idea of impeaching Trump over any of this would be a non-starter. The idea they are impeaching him over Ukraine afyter listening to their whining and bitching over the Mueller report simply makes this entire process a politcal joke. Impeaching Clinton hurt the Republicans and this will hurt the Democrats. Looking forward to a tickeof Bernie "kapos" Sanders and Ilhan "I fucked my brother" Omar.

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^If Bernie is on the ticket I'll be very surprised, my bet is Biden or someone completely unknown,with a hedge bet of possibly Bloomberg, of the candidates the only one that gets my vote is Biden, other than him, I'm not able to hold my nose enough for any of the candidates running, including Trump.

With all of the crap swirling around I just can't see Trump being re-elected but I couldn't see him being elected to anything, I can't believe that so many of y'all are being conned by such an obvious fraud.

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Twenty Five - no one was conned. His base is the people the democrats insult in favor of criminals, foreigners and illegals. They love the fact that those who denigrate them hate the guy the put in office. While I would never vote for the asshole, the fact that progressives hate him and hisstance on immigration is enough for me. Most people voted against Democrats, but they refuse to get it. Trump is like the lousy fucking guest who you know is going to leave on Sunday. Democrats are your fucking mother-in-law who hates you coming to live in the bedroom next to you and your wife for the rest of your life. I know progressives and liberals don't get it and won't when they lose again.

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^ Every last one of y'all was conned, this guy hasn't ever been successful at anything except swindling money out of suckers, man with a casino went bankrupt not once, not twice, but three times,before the state of N.J. shut him down, if that's not a joke I don't know what is!

Every project that he ever was involved in had money trouble, his so called hotels are pure licensing deals, same with his condos, c'mon man I'm from Brooklyn we've been on to him since the seventies, we tried to warn ya but you fools wouldn't listen. He calls y'all suckas behind your back, and he might be right.

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Doesn't matter 25. I met him in Atlantic City. He's a fucking new yorker, which around here is like being a member of Isis. Doesn't matter. Prohgressives are the death of america and he is a sprained ankle.

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^ Met him in his casino, and that germaphobic, fat fuck, wouldn't even shake your hand, despite you dropping some serious coin in his establishment, If that doesn't clue ya in I guess nothing will.

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25 you don't have to concvince me of how awful he is. I have turned down many golf invitations at his golf courses, but I will never ever ever consider any party that is controlled by the left. Not happening. Doesn't matter who they run against.

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===> "Whatever, sounds like you're fairly angry, jes sayin"

More saddened than anything else that such a grave Constitutional remedy was so horribly cheapened by being used in this way. I had a sliver or respect for Pelosi some months back when she said that she would not support impeachment unless she had bipartisan support, but she didn't keep her word when pressed by rabid members who have had impeachment as priority 1 since the day they took office.

To be clear, I can't stand Trump as a person. I am also as familiar as anyone with his history in the financial markets. To this day, there are a myriad of banks, other institutional lenders and hedge fund managers who won't touch a piece of paper with the name Trump stamped on it. But I give him credit for doing everything he could to keep his campaign promises and, with the exception of immigration, I agree with his policy agenda. If that makes me a "sucka' then so be it.

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Vh I am writing him a check in your honor, because as much as I hate him, he is a gem compared to a semen stain like you.

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I want money that was allocated for welfare to be used while I use mine on strippers. Why don't you pay for the welfare rats VH.

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Yeah, Trump is fucked because he will be in office for 4 more years dealing with those dumb ass liberal idiots. I guess somebody has to. Glad it’s not me or Hillary Clinton...llllmmmmmffffaaaaoooooo!

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^ get a life you sad pathetic ignoramus

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^ What a fuckn loser your mother must be so ashamed

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^Fuck you loser wahwahwah I've spent more time on you than you're worth, buh bye douggie the faggie

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The trumptard playing war games with Iran !!!

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bottom line: trump wins 2020, no free Obama phones

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I must agree that we will in 2020 again!

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NO DEMOCRATS WILL WIN 2020 !!! Impeached assholes dont get re elected .

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The blistering campaign against Orange Man Trump goes into overdrive!

Voters react to President Trump's State of the Union

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In my observation, Trump's professed ideology is just the Red State doctrine of Rick Perry. It is completely bogus.

More Bernie Sanders response

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Working Families Party Response to the State of the Union: Rep. Ayanna Pressley (D-MA)

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Luntz: Voter reaction to State of the Union shows how divided the nation is

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Bernie Sanders responds to Trump STOU

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In State of the Union, Trump Celebrates Hate & Xenophobia While Touting “Great American Comeback”

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Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer gave the Democratic response to President Trump's annual address to Congress from a high school in East Lansing, Mich., on Feb. 4. Here are her full remarks.

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Democrats Respond to idiotic STOU

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Nancy Pelosi has had Trump by the short hairs for some time now. She is exactly what we need at this time, starting from Trump's budget impasse shut down, leaving federal workers unpaid. Pelosi handled that masterfully.

Democrats Boycott & Walk Out of Trump’s State of the Union Address

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Amid the chaos in Iowa and President Trump’s expected acquittal today in his impeachment trial, Trump gave the annual State of the Union address Tuesday night. During his 78-minute speech, Trump made his case for re-election while touting the economy, trying to stoke fear and xenophobia about “criminal aliens,” and calling public schools “government” schools. A number of Democratic lawmakers protested his address. Michigan Congressmember Rashida Tlaib, Ohio Congressmember Tim Ryan, New Jersey Congressmember Bill Pascrell and Massachusetts Congressmember Seth Moulton all walked out of Trump’s speech. Others didn’t attend at all, including New York Congressmember Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Massachusetts Congressmember Ayanna Pressley, Texas Congressmember Al Green, Georgia Congressmember Hank Johnson, Tennessee Congressmember Steve Cohen, Oregon Congressmember Earl Blumenauer, Florida Congressmember Frederica Wilson, Mississippi Congressmember Bennie Thompson, Illinois Congressmember Bobby Rush and California Congressmember Maxine Waters. Democratic congressmembers who did attend the speech also broke into chants of “H.R. 3” when Trump spoke about lowering drug prescription prices. H.R. 3 is a House-passed bill that would require Medicare to negotiate for lower prices on insulin and other life-saving medications. Trump refused to shake House Majority Leader Nancy Pelosi’s hand. She later ripped up a copy of his speech after he finished speaking.

Speaker Nancy Pelosi: “It was a manifesto of mistruths.”

During Trump’s speech, the father of one of the victims of the mass shooting in Parkland, Florida, was thrown out, after he shouted about his daughter Jaime’s death. Fred Guttenberg was House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s guest at the State of the Union. He interrupted Trump’s speech when Trump touted his pro-gun positions. And Melania Trump bestowed the Medal of Freedom on right-wing radio talk show host Rush Limbaugh, who has spread racist conspiracy theories about former President Barack Obama, among other racist lies. We’ll have more on the State of the Union later in the broadcast.

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Homelessness Among School-Age Children Hits Decade-Long High

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New data shows homelessness among school-age children in the United States has surged to a decade-long high. More than 1.5 million public school students experienced homelessness during the 2017-'18 school year. That's more than double the number of students who were homeless over a decade ago. Experts say homelessness can have long-term effects on a student’s health and academic performance.

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CSU San Jose has 4300 homeless students, the vast majority employed. And UCLA has had to set up its own homeless shelter.

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^^^Copy and paste your manifesto that absolutely no one will read! It turns into homework reading your stupidity, SJG!

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Chris Hedges "Fascism in the Age of Trump"

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Our treatment of our economy, with Trump, is a lie.

Richard Wolff: "Democracy at Work: A Cure for Capitalism"

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Richard Wolff Debunks the Myth of Low Unemployment

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Donald Trump and the Politics of Decline: Doug Henwood

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Bernie Sanders Explains Why Low Unemployment Doesn't Mean Americans Are Better Off - Breaking News

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Black Panthers: Portraits From An Unfinished Revolution

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Has Trump Taken Down Our Democratic Republic?

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Trump Goes After Mayor Pete For Kissing Husband

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Does Increasing The Minimum Wage Increase

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Have Billionaires Bought Our Democracy? A very good account of our economic situation and trajectory!

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Bolton Speaks Out And Calls Grow For Trump's AG Barr To Resign

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The real story of Rudy Giuliani’s mission for Trump in Ukraine

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PBS News Hour 2/18/2020

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Feds Intensify Giuliani Probe As Barr’s DOJ Accepts Ukraine Dirt From Giuliani | MSNBC

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Wait until Biden has to answer questions about both screening Bernie again and the fox he set up in Ukraine. All the push up challenges in the world will not protect him from the Clinton/Obama cover up machine.

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Should say screwing Bernie again and the fix in Ukraine.

Damn suggestive words.

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As I see it, Biden is ancient history at this point.

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I noted that this thread started in Feb last year with the oft repeated refrain, "Trump is fucked." Notably, people here, and everywhere else there are urban wannabe's who can type, have been predicting the inglorious fall of President Donald John Trump since the fall of 2015. The hits keep on coming - - - and Trump keeps on being President.

I guess it is true that Trump is living - rent free - in every liberal's head!

What is truly remarkable is the fact that the democrats don't have any candidate that people can believe in for 2020. A failed gay mayor, a billionaire midget, an avowed socialist, a really creepy old guy with ethical problems, a "say anything to get a vote" midwest woman, or an exposed truthless non squaw, don't offer much choice for democrat voters. Sure whatever gets nominated as their candidate will get most of the real democrat voters - all of the welfare votes, all of the urban elites all of the never Trumpers, and all of the TDS sufferers. A lot of traditional democrat voters will be sitting this one out. It seems unlikely that any more voters will go left this year! Not only is it likely that Trump will be reelected, it appears that the GOP will retake the House on his coattails.

Looks like The Donald will get 4 more years of free rent in liberal heads!

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Removal from office just depends on who controls the Senate. Dem's will never get 2/3's, but a simple majority means that there will be witnesses in a second impeachment. Republicans need to decide if they want to have a party, or if they want Trump.

Donald Trump is not the cause, but he is the symptom of millions of jobs being lost in OH, WI, and PA, and in general a deteriorating economic situations.

Dems Battle To Retake Control Of The Senate In 2020

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“A Stupendous Victory”: Bernie Sanders Wins Nevada After Heavy Organizing in Latinx Communities

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Sanders & Socialism: Debate Between Nobel Laureate Paul Krugman & Socialist Economist Richard Wolff

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Sanders Campaign Senior Adviser: Medicare For All Saves “Substantial” Money | Craig Melvin | MSNBC

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PBS News Hour 2/24/2020, stock market drop, and analysis of Nevada Caucus

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David Enrich, "Dark Towers"

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Deutsche Bank DOWN👉The German Economy on The Verge of Collapse 2/22/2020

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Dark Towers: Deutsche Bank, Donald Trump and an Epic Trail of Destruction" (by David Enrich)

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Why Only One Bank Will Loan Money to Trump! (w/ David Enrich)

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David Enrich, "Dark Towers"

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Ten Experts On When The Next Recession May Hit

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Bernie Sanders fires back at Trump over socialism

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Trump attempts to drive wedge between Sanders and Democratic Party

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Tim Scott: Sanders would be hardest Democrat for Trump to beat

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President Donald Trump Makes First Visit To India As President

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Trump Calls Russia's 2020 Election Interference A 'Hoax' But It's Very Real

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There is nothing any progressive could ever say that I would believe. Everything about them and everything they believe in is simply a lie.

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Obama, Pelosi, and other Dem stalwarts are a lot of the reason that there are no up and coming politicians on the Dem side. Rather than nurture talent, they killed them off to avoid challenges to their power. They forced them to embrace left wing legislation, assuring that young central-left office holders would lose out.

Now, the top 4 candidates for President are over 70 with socialist ideas from the 1960s.

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Bernie Sanders is speaking Left ideas which no one getting close to the US Presidency has ever talked about before.

His commitment to resolving the problems of extreme wealth inequality goes way back, and far beyond George McGovern or Adlai Stevenson. And Gary Hart, Michael Dukakis and Bill Clinton never offered any thing specific like Sanders does. The best would have been the Clinton Health Care, more progressive than Obama's.

Bill Clinton was exciting to listen to because it looked like he could win. But I never really agreed with his specifics or with the conservative and communitarian imagery he invoked to present them. Clinton did though make outstanding cabinet appointments.

And then the underlying therory:

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How To Pay For The War, by John Maynard Keynes, 1940

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The three main tenants as I see it:

  1. Medicare for All ( single payer health care, with cost controls )

  2. Free College ( including nationalization of student loan debts )

  3. Green New Deal ( really just a concept, not yet a specific plan, but likely to center around rail public transport, solar energy, and most importantly a strong public housing offering, high rise villages on the rail transit lines. )

He does not talk about UBI, and AOC kind of disavowed the idea in her animated video, but as she said, "In the beginning ... ."

And I have also concerned that it is better to do the other 3 things first, and that UBI needs those to work out as intended.

2020 Democratic Candidates Gear Up for Debate as More Damning Comments by Bloomberg Surface

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Appeals Court Upholds Trump “Gag Rule” on Abortion Referrals

Bernie Sanders Unveils Universal Child Care Plan

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In the 1970's, St. Paul Minnesota, Control Data Corporation had its own onsite child care.

In the 70's the US Congress also passed a free child care legislation package. But then Nixon vetoed it saying, "It would Sovietize The American Family".

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Does Sanders' Tax Plan Work? We Do The Math!

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Could Trump Steal 2020 Election?

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South Carolina debate wrap: Rivals take aim at Sanders

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PBS NewsHour live episode, Feb 28, 2020 w/ Shields and Brooks

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Bernie Sanders Rally In South Carolina

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^^^^ looking really good!

Last 60 national polls, Bernie beats Trump in 56 of them. And in recent polls of battle ground states, Bernie beats Trump.

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Delegates

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Joe Biden and Bernie Sanders brace for one-on-one battle in next round of primaries

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Trump's victory in Michigan was very narrow.

Sen. Bernie Sanders stopping in Phoenix Thursday

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Remember, Sanders was Mayor of Burlington. A Mayor will usually be a very practical person, unlike someone who first runs for the House, or Senate, or for POTUS. LOL!

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Why Did Biden Suddenly Sweep Virginia? Credit Trump, These Voters Say

DISAFFECTED REPUBLICANS!

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Bloomberg to form new group to help Democratic nominee defeat Trump (not sure if I want Bloomberg involved in this)

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Michigan, March 10th, Biden ahead by 7% points. (but we really don't know what will happen)

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Bernie responds to Warren dropping out:

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^^^ Praises Her!

^^^^ Criticizes Biden, Wall Street, and Bloomberg!

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One word,

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Bernie is taking Biden to pieces. He has not even started on T-Rump yet.

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I wonder how many indictments Trump and the Trump Organization will be facing in 2021?

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Why Trump Can’t Afford to Lose

By Jane Mayer

November 1, 2020

Trump

Few people have evaded consequences more cunningly than Trump. His luck may run out if Joe Biden defeats him.

The President was despondent. Sensing that time was running out, he had asked his aides to draw up a list of his political options. He wasn’t especially religious, but, as daylight faded outside the rapidly emptying White House, he fell to his knees and prayed out loud, sobbing as he smashed his fist into the carpet. “What have I done?” he said. “What has happened?” When the President noted that the military could make it easy for him by leaving a pistol in a desk drawer, the chief of staff called the President’s doctors and ordered that all sleeping pills and tranquillizers be taken away from him, to insure that he wouldn’t have the means to kill himself.

The downfall of Richard Nixon, in the summer of 1974, was, as Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein relate in “The Final Days,” one of the most dramatic in American history. That August, the Watergate scandal forced Nixon—who had been cornered by self-incriminating White House tape recordings, and faced impeachment and removal from office—to resign. Twenty-nine individuals closely tied to his Administration were subsequently indicted, and several of his top aides and advisers, including his Attorney General, John Mitchell, went to prison. Nixon himself, however, escaped prosecution because his successor, Gerald Ford, granted him a pardon, in September, 1974.

No American President has ever been charged with a criminal offense. But, as Donald Trump fights to hold on to the White House, he and those around him surely know that if he loses—an outcome that nobody should count on—the presumption of immunity that attends the Presidency will vanish. Given that more than a dozen investigations and civil suits involving Trump are currently under way, he could be looking at an endgame even more perilous than the one confronted by Nixon. The Presidential historian Michael Beschloss said of Trump, “If he loses, you have a situation that’s not dissimilar to that of Nixon when he resigned. Nixon spoke of the cell door clanging shut.” Trump has famously survived one impeachment, two divorces, six bankruptcies, twenty-six accusations of sexual misconduct, and an estimated four thousand lawsuits. Few people have evaded consequences more cunningly. That run of good luck may well end, perhaps brutally, if he loses to Joe Biden. Even if Trump wins, grave legal and financial threats will loom over his second term.

Two of the investigations into Trump are being led by powerful state and city law-enforcement officials in New York. Cyrus Vance, Jr., the Manhattan District Attorney, and Letitia James, New York’s attorney general, are independently pursuing potential criminal charges related to Trump’s business practices before he became President. Because their jurisdictions lie outside the federal realm, any indictments or convictions resulting from their actions would be beyond the reach of a Presidential pardon. Trump’s legal expenses alone are likely to be daunting. (By the time Bill Clinton left the White House, he’d racked up more than ten million dollars in legal fees.) And Trump’s finances are already under growing strain. During the next four years, according to a stunning recent Times report, Trump—whether reëlected or not—must meet payment deadlines for more than three hundred million dollars in loans that he has personally guaranteed; much of this debt is owed to such foreign creditors as Deutsche Bank. Unless he can refinance with the lenders, he will be on the hook. The Financial Times, meanwhile, estimates that, in all, about nine hundred million dollars’ worth of Trump’s real-estate debt will come due within the next four years. At the same time, he is locked in a dispute with the Internal Revenue Service over a deduction that he has claimed on his income-tax forms; an adverse ruling could cost him an additional hundred million dollars. To pay off such debts, the President, whose net worth is estimated by Forbes to be two and a half billion dollars, could sell some of his most valuable real-estate assets—or, as he has in the past, find ways to stiff his creditors. But, according to an analysis by the Washington Post, Trump’s properties—especially his hotels and resorts—have been hit hard by the pandemic and the fallout from his divisive political career. “It’s the office of the Presidency that’s keeping him from prison and the poorhouse,” Timothy Snyder, a history professor at Yale who studies authoritarianism, told me.

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Unfortunately for Trump, if he loses the 2020 election, he’ll no longer be able to use the staff of the Justice Department as his personal lawyers. That’s a worrisome thing for a guy who’s potentially committed numerous crimes, and we know this because Trump is reportedly soiling himself in fear over what he might be prosecuted for, and maybe go to jail over, after he leaves office. Per the New York Times:

Seldom far from Mr. Trump’s thoughts, however, is the possibility of defeat—and the potential consequences of being ejected from the White House. In unguarded moments, Mr. Trump has for weeks told advisers that he expects to face intensifying scrutiny from prosecutors if he loses. He is concerned not only about existing investigations in New York, but the potential for new federal probes as well, according to people who have spoken with him.

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