Bob Kraft gets some...

Yep. Just posted this to flagooner's thread.

These guys don't think. Or just don't think they can be caught.

Yeah I just saw it in the trafficking thread, we posted at the same time. Lol

Sounds like a bunch of cheese to me

"Answering a questions about the fees at Orchids of Asia, Jupiter Police Detective Andrew Sharp, the lead detective on the case, said the fee for 30 minutes was $59 dollars, or $79 for an hour. He did not specify what Kraft paid."

I bet he only paid $59.

I'm guessing Kraft is not TUSCL member.

^ right I'll bet Kraft is a member of the cheese family

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He should be, he'd fit right in. Lol

…… as a TUSCL member that is. :D

Supposedly he eas caught on video having sex - I suppose the spa had cameras and recorded this which is stupid to record breaking the law - or maybe the police set up hidden cameras?

I recall the news article saying the law installed cameras.

Why would a billionaire pay $59 for sex at some AMP?

This can happen to anyone - plenty of TUSCLers on here are routinely"breaking the law" - no one should get on their fucking high-horse - dude was just trying to enjoy himself as billions of men do around the world except in the US we have antiquated-laws making men and women "criminals" for engaging in simple sex.

I bet his balls are deflated right about now!

What Papi said. He no more deserves to be lambasted than any of the people here who’ve gone to a massage parlor or strip club seeking sex.

Who is on their high horse?
Although he's hated by many, personally I respect Kraft. It's public knowledge now, I posted this as news, not to cut him down.

And he's been dating this chick, why see an AMP whore when you have a shot with this?

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I am amazed. I didn't think it was possible, but as of right now, as far as Bob Kraft and the Patriots are concerned? I am a bigger fucking fan than ever. Men are men baby and ain't nothing you rat bastards on the left can do to change that. Super bowl #7 and the after party is at Desires. Hand jobs for all.

+1 on the Papi comments..... wait a minute.... South Florida? Papi_Kraft? Truthfully has anyone seen the two of them in the same place at the same time?

Agree with @OSU for very first time.

President Clvin Coolidge was a man of minimal words, thus earning the nockname "silent Cal". One day on a touir of a farm in Minnesota with his wife, they decided to tour the farm separately. When Mrs. Coolidge arrived at the hen house, the worker guiding her was mortified to see a Rooster copulating with a hen. Being a farm girl herself, Mrs. Coolidge was no fazed and asked the worker how often the Rooster copulated with hens on an average day. The man replied: "At least several times a day, if not more". Mrs. Coolidge responded: "when the President geyts here, make sure you tell him". Well the President arrived and sure enough the Rooster was once again copulating with a hen and the following conversation ensued. Worker: "welcome Mr. President, I am embarrassed to say this but your wife wanted me to point out to you that this Rooser, the one copulating with the hen, copulates at least several times a day, if not more, every day." The President was silent and then said "Same hen every time?" No Mr. President, a different hen evefry single time", was the response. The President then replied: ""Make sure you explain that to Mrs. Coolidge". Thats why Kraft and all y'all do what you do.

One thing I've learned from this board is you can be really rich but beautiful women still don't throw their pussy are you. Women want to casually fuck hot guys. If they're gonna bang an old rich guy it usually is transactional one way or another

On this mornings news they said they have charged 159 men with soliciting over an 8 month period. This is gonna be a real fun episode. ;) they said that there were some more well known men on the list but I missed the segment.

Good one ski..... it's actually a term; the Coolidge Effect:

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Just cuz your really rich doesn't mean your'e tactically intelligent.

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Assante Samuel inviting Kraft to Tootsie's

Please o please let there be cameras recording the conversations when Kraft and the Patriots visit the White House

This gives a whole new meaning to “end zone”, touch down ( way down), slot receiver, 2 minute warning, as well as facials. Go Pats!

Granted we're all horndogs and most of us like variety, but I'm basically of the opinion that Kraft should have use better judgement in finding some relief other than in an AMP.

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This is what is wrong with this country human trafficking what a fuckin joke of an excuse and another reason why i more than happily prefer to monger in mexico

@ime apparently despite being a billionaire, Mr. Kraft is a thrifty spender. That's why he went with the $79 option instead of the $400-500 for anything he likes at Tootsies.

“Why would a billionaire pay $59 for sex at some AMP”

Kraft never overpays for young talent.

I wonder if Belichick is going to break down the film?

And thats another reason why we monger at SC. Cops rarely raid strip clubs because they are usually customers. I was in a place a few days ago where a trooper walked in with civiilian clothing and a state police hat. The shame about this is this day spa is only known for giving out HJ. If you are getting busted you would hope to at least get some BBBJ and FS out of it. My guess is someone's wife was angry about their repeats visit to this place and decided to keep calling the police.

I always thought that cops, or people working under their direction, couldn’t engage in sex. How do they have 8 months of video ? I think a lot of these charges will be dismissed.

And, if this was all about protecting the women being trafficked, why did they wait a year before stepping in ?

With the current FOSTA climate it now seems obvious they would target AMPs - and the current "progressive" model is to treat the girls as victims (even when they are not trafficked and are "self employed") - current climate is to treat the custy as the perpetrator and go after him.

I would not be totally surprised if at some point they start going after extras strip clubs and the custies in them.

How could planting secret cameras in mp be legal?

^^^ My take... under the same justification and warrants that permit wiretapping phones.

So the police knowingly let women continue to be abused for 8 months before they did anything about it?

Was listening to sports radio for a couple of minutes and Kraft is getting lambasted by all the hollier-than-thou sports-radio people.

In this country P4P is seen by many as some kinda "crime against humanity" and/or major character-flaw and the PL being seen as some kinda douche for partaking - meanwhile in other parts of the world P4P is mostly seen as "live and let live".

I understand this situation has the side-effect of human trafficking being involved and that's different - but these places have been around for years "hiding" in plain-sight - if these girls were held against their will def that should be put a stop to, but I wonder if most of them were actually totally clueless about what they were getting into but still proceeded bc they wanted to be in the US - still not right to do but they may have agrred to it to get overe here.

Just like Tom Brady, Robert Kraft likes to deflate his balls.

I wonder if it was Purple Dress Donna who helped deflate them.

About 2-years ago a newbie TUSCLer PMed telling me he had been pulled-over by a female cop after leaving an AMP in Arizona (Phoenix area I think) and the cop questioning him asking what he had dine in there - I don't recall what he told her (nor if he had actually done anything illegal) but he obviously didn't tell her he had done anything wrong - he was worried about there being some possible repercussions and at the time I told him he had nothing to worry about and I thought he was overreacting as a newb.

@Papi_Chulo

Given his status as a Billionaire, one would think that he should have gotten either a Sugar Baby OR Hot Mistress.

$2000/Month which translates to $500/Pay Per Meet once a week shouldn’t cause a big hole in his pocket.

I can’t afford such amount right now but if I were a Billionaire that’s exactly what I would do.

Heck he can even get a wannabe IG Model to visit him every other weekend.

Visiting an AMP just to get laid beats my imagination.

Like seriously dude...

The patriots don’t pay any prima donna first round draft picks or glory boy free agents. They want gritty players. Tough players. Team players. Why should Mr. Kraft pay a high class escort when he can just pay $79 to the Danny Woodhead of Chinese massage girls to do the same job!?! They hate us cause they ain’t us.

I respect Kraft's prerogative to save some money and go to an AMP.

Maybe he just wanted a HJ, just because he's rich does not mean he wants to overpay.

When you are that wealthy you should have a trusted agent arrange this stuff. Probably he has been doing this for soo long he got complacent and thought it could never happen.

In NJ they go after strip clubs that provide extras, but my guess is the clubs picked have pissed off the local police department for some reason. The last major bust in NJ was at a place where a police officer was killed a few months earlier.

Obviously the cops had little concern for the safety of the girls. They simply want to look good in the eyes of the public. The arrest innocent customers for performing “crimes that lead to trafficking” when in fact, the customers have ZERO FUCKING KNOWLEDGE of any trafficking that may be occurring in a business that probably has a business license that was granted by the city in which it operates. It is THE POLICE who know about trafficking, yet do NOTHING about it for 8 months, who should be held up on a stick! Who are the real assholes in this equation?

@Cristobal

Shouldn’t Privacy be his biggest concern.

A Billionaire shouldn’t be seen visiting a AMP.

He could get a masseuse to visit him at his house & provide him a full experience.

There is absolutely no reason for him to be caught.

When you become a public figure, then Certain habits needs to be done discretely.

Does former Jet Bart Scott have some sore loser issues regarding Kraft and the Pats?

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A lot of people get excited by the possibility of getting caught. I wouldn't be surprised if that was something that led to his choice of environment.

It’s hard to understand. The prevailing opinion is that Kraft was very loyal to his wife who was a defender of women ( she insisted that the team not sign a high draft pick after a domestic assault ) and she was very active in his philanthropic activities. After she died he was criticized in the media for appearing in public with a young blonde “girl friend” very shortly after his wife’s passing. In the intervening years he’s been seen with the “aspiring model” in both private and public appearances.
Maybe he has a hankering for an Asian woman. Maybe he’s got a friend who looks like him and borrowed his limo and driver. Lmfao.

IDK anything about this place but it may be a place with a good rep that maybe has been there for years and he enjoys the place like we enjoy a good SC.

As far as I'm concerned him visiting a place like this is not the problem - the problem is him or anyone else having to hide it and being judged about it.

Again if the girls are being held against their will and they didn't sign up for that, that's a different matter - IMO it gets down to all the hypocrisy there is about sex and P4P given that b/f free-internet porn, the porn-industry was said to be bigger than the 3 major pro sports combined - i.e. lots of horny closet-freaks out there that pretend and preach otherwise.

Could have gone to TJHK Bob. Much better.

I just saw a headline that says "Trump 'surprised' by charges against Patriots owner"

Surprised he was engaging in P4P or that he got caught?

According to Adam Schefter of ESPN Kraft isn't the biggest name involved in this and more is coming out. This is gonna get interesting.

How long do you think it takes for the sex tape to hit the porn sites?

Pats fan spanking material.

With the hypocrisy there is in this country about sex it's no surprise everyone has to pretend they are outraged/surprised about a man wanting sex and paying for it.

the prudes. SMH.

If Kraft visited this place and other high profile people, I assume it was a somewhat upscale place where a good time could be had.

With all the things going on in the world my local news lead with this story.

^ and Donald Trump breathes a sigh of relief.

I wonder how SC and AMP transactions went today. I would think the girls are taking a big hit today, but it will be business as usual when the next big story hits this weekend. Will it be a shooting? natural disaster? Celebrity Scandal?

I will say this about Trump's presidency. Its going a lot smoother than I expected. i was convinced we would have been nuked by North Korea by now. Knocks on Wood

The tape has hit the internet. It is 51 seconds long.

JK

@ime Tiger lives in that area. I wonder if there's a perkins around the corner

I remember when Hugh Grant got caught picking up a skanky Hollywood street walker. He was with Elizabeth Hurley at the time.

Some guys get off on the occasional (or frequent...) seedy thrills even if they can afford top shelf escorts or sugar babies.

Releasing his name in a press conference seems like punishment far exceeding his crime

I'm not going to bash Bob Kraft for doing something I used to do regularly some 30 years ago before I was married.
But I will never understand why some rich guys -- in his case, filthy rich -- slum like this. Dude is worth $4.1 billion and is soliciting sex for $59 or $79 or whatever it was? I'm guessing if he went to some upscale pick-up bar wearing just a couple of his six Super Bowl rings he'd have broads crawling all over him. Or why not have some intermediary hook you up for a couple grand or whatever?
Just like when Huge Grant got blown by that ugly street hooker when he was dating Elizabeth Hurley. It's like, dude, WTF?

Stupid is the new black.

^ Fucking racist

^ ;)

Breaking news. The video of Robert Kraft was shot by a former disgruntled Patriots employee. The same employee who was involved in illegally videotaping other teams practices and play signals. Rumor has it there may be another video about to surface. It shows Gisele doing Brady doggy style using a strap on and Belichick watching while eating popcorn in a hoodie.

You fucking morons really believe he was getting sex for fucking $59 - that's probably the advertised cost for a basic massage and how LE wants to spin it, analogous to a strip club VIP room being $100, it doesn't mean you're gonna get fucked for $100, you may end uo having to pay an extra $300 to $500.

Also, supposedly there may be other high-profile people involved which could mean this was not your avg low-rent AMP, IDK - plus if someone has yellowfever it probably isn't that easy to find Asian P4P girls similar to how hard it is to find them in most strip clubs.

The powers-to-be seems they wanted to make a big splash - I don't see why they had to hold a news conference, and put his name out there for what most say is likely a misdemeanor charge of solicitation.

An AMP like this probably gives a well known person the impression they could go there and still remain anonymous. Also, if there are other well known people caught in the investigation, the AMP likely acquired that business through word of mouth.

The only thing unbelievable about the story is that it took LE an eight month investigation to determine crimes were being committed.

News flash, if you’re famous, it’s news when you get arrested. Ask Jussie Smollett.

Is the media overblowing the coverage? Of course. Are the police making an example of Kraft? Of course. Did Kraft pay for sex in an AMP (twice)? Yes. There’s fucking video. All of those things can be true and the most obvious conclusion is that they are all true.

“The only thing unbelievable about the story is that it took LE an eight month investigation to determine crimes were being committed.”

I don’t know. They took down ten massage parlors, nearly 200 Johns and who knows how many traffickers. It would make sense to me that it took that long to try and find the people we all seem to agree (shocker) are the problem here - the people who bring in illegals and force them to work.

I saw this on another forum, it has to be one of the best comments I've seen regarding Kraft....

"Hell he could buy a massage parlor and be the only client. Makes no sense. Am I missing something?? "

Billionaires are Billionaires for a reason. They don't overspend when they dont have to. Thats like asking every billionaire to buy every restaurant they eat at to make sure the food is safe. Massage parlors provide low cost and convenient service, and you dont have to worry about the masseuse having feelings, extorting you, or writing a tell all book when leave.

Hell if I was Kraft I would be dipping my egg roll in some sweet and sour sauce tonight again. Live every day like its your last.

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I haven't looked up details but LE hid cameras in the rooms? Isn't that against the law to film people in a room where there is an expectation of privacy? It's illegal to film in a bathroom, wouldn't it be the same in a dressing room, or room in a massage parlor?

It sounds like this place had the girls living there but it took them 6 months and hidden cameras after fishing out jizzy paper towels to do sonething. Just seems fishy.

@Papi, we're splitting hairs here. $59 or $300 or $3,000, it doesn't matter when you're worth $4 billion or whatever (I've seen some reports of $6 billion). Any way you slice it, it's basically nickles and dimes to him compared to the regular person.
The point is, why expose yourself to the risk when your money can buy you multiple levels of security and safety for such endeavors?
Can you imagine the lifetime of embarrassment this has cost him? I know it would be worse if he were married, but even for a single guy, it's humiliating. How do you face family members, friends, employees?

ime said "Isn't that against the law to film people in a room where there is an expectation of privacy?"

Nope. Not if the police can convince a judge that laws are being broken (human trafficking) to a degree that they will issue a warrant for covert surveillance. Ditto for wiretapping.

He's 77 years old. His family and friends are probably surprised/glad he still has it in him.

mark94 said "And, if this was all about protecting the women being trafficked, why did they wait a year before stepping in ?"

When LE goes after organized crime, it's usually a deep, detailed, and thorough process taking months to years because they (a) want to net as many bad guys as possible and put the biggest dent in the criminal organization and (b) they want their evidence to be as bulletproof as possible.

During that time, crimes get committed. That's a reality of investigative and undercover law enforcement. Bad stuff happens in the the time it takes to achieve the larger busts.

The fact that the investigators took 8 months to pull the trigger won't hurt the case at all. It's not solely about protecting the women currently involved; it's about bringing down the entire enterprise and stopping the flow of additional women into these situations.

All that said, this is a massive game of whack-a-mole. They never truly shut this stuff down. They slow it down until someone finds a new way.

Two other rich men caught in this investigation: John Havens, former president and chief operating officer of Citigroup; and John Childs, founder of the private equity firm J.W. Childs Associates.

I have a feeling these women are trafficking victims and side with the police.

Havens and Childs are both billionaires

You can read the police report here, which can clear up a lot of confusion.It contains details about the 26 men
whose acrivities were recorded on a secret camera, which was set up with proper warrant:
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As to why did these rich people go to such a place, I think it is more of a convenience and fairly low risk. They were probably thinking this is a low-risk way to
relieve themselves, and a short drive away from their homes.

Incidentally, this seems to have blown over. Very little coverage on MSM yesterday.

www.tmz.com all this bullshit and it wasn't even fs! Viva mexico!

I don't begrudge the guy getting a piece but when you have a billion dollar brand/image to protect this was down right fucking STUPID.

I assume/hope the 8 months were spent trying to find the people who actually run the operation. As much as I don't like how the word 'trafficking' gets tossed around, I do think AMP's are one area where it does happen. Another good reason not to go to them.

@countryman “www.tmz.com all this bullshit and it wasn't even fs! Viva mexico!”

What is “all this bullshit?” Based on your post and the exclamation points, I was expecting some new developments. The link is to the same old story from Friday. No new info and surprising to me, actually not very sensationalized considering it’s TMZ.

If indeed there was a trafficking component of this fiasco, was anyone arrested for that? Looks to me like some publicity for the local LE in a ritzy community. I know the citizens of Jupiter feel much safer today.