Dancers want state to regulate clubs. Do you want more regulations?
shadowcat
Atlanta suburb
SEATTLE - State lawmakers are taking another look at strip clubs after dancers complained that sexual harassment and many safety issues aren't being addressed.
The quest for new protections come as dancers grow frustrated over long-standing issues about job expectations and the work environment. The dancers said if they complain to their bosses they run the risk of getting fired, so they are asking members of the legislature for a new way to regulate the adult entertainment industry in Washington.
“I've been told by one manager that I don't do enough during a dance for the prices that we charge,” said Aubrey Watkins.
Another concern brought up by these workers are the security guards, who they said do little to screen for problem customers. Some men known to harass the women are allowed back into the clubs where they caused the trouble.
“There's no list, there's no blacklist,” said Aayliyah Topps, a dancer. “Managers aren't making a phone call, like ‘Look out for this guy that's coming over there,’ there's nothing like that."
There are economic issues as well. Dancers said they can actually lose money while working because many clubs require a pay-out each night, which pressures some women to do what they can to make up the difference.
“Because you feel like you have to pay that at the end of the night or it's going to be coming out of pocket for yourself," Topps said.
On Monday, dancers went before the House Labor and Workforce Standards Committee to ask for more regulation and worker training.
“We're all workers,” Watkins said. “We deserve the same rights as others."
Strip club operators did not return our calls but did tell lawmakers during the committee work session they provide a safe work environment.
“Our venues have staff, safety protocols and advanced camera monitoring equipment,” said Winter Finke of Showgirls. “We are subject to regular unannounced enforcement audits, we work closely with law enforcement in each of the communities and we always have good communications and relationships with all of them."
Rep. Tina Orwall, D-Des Moines, said she may introduce a bill in the upcoming legislative session to address many of the concerns raised by these dancers. Specifically, Orwall wants to address training standards, introduce unannounced site visits by inspectors and change how identification checks are done on customers trying to get in.
The quest for new protections come as dancers grow frustrated over long-standing issues about job expectations and the work environment. The dancers said if they complain to their bosses they run the risk of getting fired, so they are asking members of the legislature for a new way to regulate the adult entertainment industry in Washington.
“I've been told by one manager that I don't do enough during a dance for the prices that we charge,” said Aubrey Watkins.
Another concern brought up by these workers are the security guards, who they said do little to screen for problem customers. Some men known to harass the women are allowed back into the clubs where they caused the trouble.
“There's no list, there's no blacklist,” said Aayliyah Topps, a dancer. “Managers aren't making a phone call, like ‘Look out for this guy that's coming over there,’ there's nothing like that."
There are economic issues as well. Dancers said they can actually lose money while working because many clubs require a pay-out each night, which pressures some women to do what they can to make up the difference.
“Because you feel like you have to pay that at the end of the night or it's going to be coming out of pocket for yourself," Topps said.
On Monday, dancers went before the House Labor and Workforce Standards Committee to ask for more regulation and worker training.
“We're all workers,” Watkins said. “We deserve the same rights as others."
Strip club operators did not return our calls but did tell lawmakers during the committee work session they provide a safe work environment.
“Our venues have staff, safety protocols and advanced camera monitoring equipment,” said Winter Finke of Showgirls. “We are subject to regular unannounced enforcement audits, we work closely with law enforcement in each of the communities and we always have good communications and relationships with all of them."
Rep. Tina Orwall, D-Des Moines, said she may introduce a bill in the upcoming legislative session to address many of the concerns raised by these dancers. Specifically, Orwall wants to address training standards, introduce unannounced site visits by inspectors and change how identification checks are done on customers trying to get in.
49 comments
The dancer interviewed probably thinks if the government steps in then they can be a force against the manager telling her to do more mileage.
In my area, whether a club is an extras one or not seems to be more determined by us dancers rather than any manager or LE. Cause it’s not like the managers/bouncers here do anything to patrol dances.
I think PSD is based out of Seattle though. Maybe she can give better insight about it?
The ONLY problem here is that we are being charged $180 a night to work. I am fucking blown away that this is not the main issue of this article.
Just happened here. As predicted, the dancers seem to be getting fucked; and unfortunately for we customers, a bunch are leaving the clubs because of it. It's not clear to me if it's state-wide, or just in the city; if just in the city, I think the hotties will just head somewhere else
Here is the prob guys, you think it would help but it hurts us because after the clubs do what they are ordered to do by the court, there is no follow up and they backlash and penalize us to replace what it costs for them to give us benefits.
There is one club I know of in the whole US that charges a higher house fee than Seattle and the girls I know who work there do not care because they are bankrolling so hard. This club was ordered by a state judge to do xyz because ex strippers took the club to court, trying to get a hand out. This is how it is now impacting the dancers:
They will make an hourly wage, about $150 for an 8 hour shift. Their dance money is collected from the patrons and not paid to them. This is how their money is treated for a work day:
They will get a paycheck, it will have the $150 of their hourly wages deducted from it so the club is not paying them at all, they are paying the club to pay them.
If they make $400 or less, they keep 40% of the money they earn, less the $150. If they make $401 or more they keep 60% of the money they earn, less the $150. So if I made $600 today, I would leave with $250.
And you may say to yourself, that’s not too bad. But the risks and expenses of the job are much higher than most, I have two other jobs and I think I am of pretty reasonably sound mind to form that opinion. This way of remedying these problems is not right and that’s what I want to communicate to this woman, the consequences it brings about.
SJG
The real problem here is corporate greed. The DejaVu clubs here are all garbage.
The article and the two dancers' comments are typical of this story. Not much new here, even in Seattle.
It surprises me that the two dancers would give their full names and be willing to be shown on camera. Usually, dancers will only give a first name in interviews like this. I wonder if they'll still be employed by their current club after this story. I'm pretty sure that both dancers mentioned work at Little Darling in Seattle. Although the reporter, Joel Moreno, is standing in front of Deja Vu Seattle, throughout the video, the front of Little Darlings is shown briefly at 0:43.
PM me if you'd like to know more about the dancers interviewed. I have some knowledge of them.
Seattle hasn't had a big strip club story since the 2008 "Big Raid" of four strip clubs, simultaneously, which lead to all four being closed two years later. As new clubs opened since then, most have made the news, but just over the public dislike for strip clubs in their neighborhoods. That's typical in Seattle. Maybe it's time for another raid.
@PinkSugar: I hope you will post a summary of your visit with Tina Orwall.
Exactly the situation I was referencing. Yes, lots of girls are leaving due to lower paychecks (or perhaps just being annoyed)
THE FUCK??????
You guys wonder why we don’t want to give you our real name or do xyz with you (“No one will know!”) or go to a hotel or not collect our money when we’ve done a certain number of dances.
Cool, this is why.
You are a creep. Take care.
I'm sorry if I offended you, and anyone else. However, you are quite wrong, I haven't messaged you in years. I certainly haven't messaged anyone this morning. I only have this one TUSCL account, not a second as you alleged. I have no need to hide behind multiple accounts.
My participation on TUSCL in recent years is much more limited than in my earlier years. Now, generally I only read the reviews of the Washington state clubs, and occasionally message with those that posted a review.
You used to message me when you'd be working at a local club. I rarely responded.
Also, I'm highly suspect when someone indicates that they can recognize an IP address and that two or more posts came from that address. It's a common false attack made on line.
Furthermore, my intent to provide information on the dancers interviewed was just to give their stage names, clubs, and hours. Since they were shown on camera, some might be interested to go see them. That's nothing more than common information exchanged on strip club websites. I recognized one of them, and have heard a little about the other.
I hope your meeting with Tina Orwall is productive.
I looked in my messages. Yes, I messaged you because YOU messaged ME. How interesting that three years later that is fresh in your mind. How interesting that once I told you my name, you didn’t respond to my two other messages.
Look how desperate I am, I’m out here replying to messages TWICE to someone who “rarely responds.”
I do not buy your story about the Seattle dancers, if either one was Megan Fox hot, maybe that would be something to provoke an “I HAVE to get a dance from these women!” response, but neither of them are.
Take care.
And of course this means more front room makeout sessions, and even some front room DATYing too.
SJG
I reckon most of the comments above peg how her real life is n also thars them lice in her puss messin with her self esteem.
At least San Jose has an underground, and at least there are some AMPs
SJG
I saw a instagram page for a place called Mermaids. Is that one of your underground clubs you keep talking about? How about checking it out and reviewing it for us?
Friend told me that eliminating contractor status in California is the law.
I sent back:
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Seems like that could not really be the law. Contractor status is not illegal, it is just restricted to those cases where it actually applies. And then, strip clubs are not illegal. Cannot make laws which apply to them only.
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We need to invent some new kinds of UHM venues. Try to combine the best of Strip Clubs and AMPs, but make them highly resistant to LE. Also make them disposable.
SJG
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SJG
So they have to pay an admission fee, and the house charges money for the booths and back rooms, plus refreshments and the men's admission fees.
I believe that that would be hard for LE to do much about, and the women would get more aggressive and extreme. You would get wilder sorts of women. Very little house responsibility for what they do. Not for the timid. Women can come and go as they please, no schedules.
And never call it a strip club or adult entertainment, or any kind of retail. Members only, though membership just requires $5 and an ID scan. Could by BYOB, but still safer and less problems if it is no alcohol.
SJG
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