VIP room

That is exactly why you need a VIP membership to TUSCL. I don't know what club you are talking about. But read the Reviews on that club. Some clubs, it's not more than a dance in a private room. In some clubs, you are only limited by what you negotiate. If there are no Reviews that tell you about that club, then I would be direct with a girl that I wanted to take back there. Ask her what is on the Menu.

Next time you are at the club ask the next couple going CIP if you can watch what goes on. If you fail then continue to ask the next couple until you are finally removed by the bouncer.

....our you can go VIP and read the reviews.

Or you could ask Chris Rock, but who are you gonna believe?

Laziest vice cop ever

It's just a long expensive lap dance

Its dependent on the club - and dancer. You probably won’t get any useful answers in the discussion forums. The specific details should only be communicated through direct message.

Remember - it’s not appropriate to discuss specifics in open discussions.

It's club/city specific - in some clubs/cities it's just dances, in others it's more.

You need to be ballsy and get confirmation upfront and not just settle for her saying "we'll have a good time" - also wise to take your own protection as many girls are ill-prepared.

Fkn papi and cashman, being helpful :) Ya, absolutely city, club, and even stripper specific. Everyone else is right also -- get VIP. You have 4 reviews so maybe you're VIP already?

My experience is they tell you the menu up front. Some girls are more up front others are cryptic . And like I said earlier....... some places it's a long expensive lap dance.

If I think the price sounds high, I like to ask if they take coupons. You’d be surprised...

Extras ar kinda "unscripted", it's more of an art than a science at "most" clubs and it's similar to riding a bike, the more you do it the better one gets at it.

The first thing is probably to get familiarized with the particular club(s) to get a ballpark idea of what may be available or if it's a no-fly-zone - then you need to have "a system" in place to mitigate, but not completely eliminate, getting ripped-off.

^^^ definitely an “art.” Seriously, as has been said, it is absolutely a case-by-case basis. The girl, the club, the mood, you... all variables that change frequently. YMMV one trip to another all things seemingly the same.

Part of the "system" is knowing the price-range for the particular club - one can't go by what a dancer spits out bc often they will quote above going-rate since there are often enough uninformed PLs that take the bait.

Waste of money

Depends on the club.

Depends on club, dancer, and the amount of $$$ you have

I have a VIP membership and have read several reviews of clubs I'm interested in, but didn't find the information I'm looking for. I guess the conclusion, as I had suspected, is that it varies.

Exactly! You haven’t provided any specifics regarding location. If you provided more information - than just a very broad based question - then you might receive more insight.

Ask a dancer what's the difference between a lap dance & VIP... She will give you a vague answer. Then you reply..."do I need a condom?"

Thank me later.

Well, any kind of buying dances or VIP time is a chump's game. Don't do it.

Instead, select the girl you like and right there get a front room makeout session going. Then only when it is time for your own pants to come down, you invite her to the back room.

Then take her home with you and keep on seeing her to continue.

SJG

In VIP , the atmosphere is relaxed,you can cuddle up with the dancer,it will be little intimate and usually topless or nude lap dances...
In regular lap dances, sometimes bikini lap dances,sometimes topless . It won't be relaxing environment. You can cuddle the dancer in all dance room.

Can you imagine a hot gorgeous dancer on your lap for 30 minutes alone with you.Thats why you pay $250.00

What do you get from 2 minutes of extra??

But it all works better and becomes worth the money when you get a front room makeout session going first, and when you have selected a girl you want to be waking up in the mornings with.

SJG

rick burge. good question to ask.

If a front room makeout session is under way and you have selected her because you want to take her home with you, then the VIP room will work out.

But otherwise, its just a place where chumps get their wallets sucked dry.

SJG

^^^ god damn you’re fucking delusional.

LOL. I can just picture the expression on Shailynn's face whenever he responds to SJG.

my wallet has been sucked dry in the vip/fantasy/champagne room more than i want to admit.
the worse was at cheatas san diego and crazy horse 3 in vegas. butt i’ve had some great times too. YMMV. all depends on the girl. and the time of the month and the alignment of the planets and stars. and maybe a few other things.

I think Shailynn is already a lot like this guy, a natural to re-start his ministry:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Unhqk-sA…

SJG

Play a porno on your cell ph then ask her "can we do this?"

But the place to find out how good the girl is going to be, and what time of month it is, is in the FRONT ROOM! That makeout session guarantees that it will be mind blowing for both parties.

As on most respected TUSCLer said, "You don't take her into the back room to see if she is good. You take her into the back room because she is already good in the front room."

And it also helps if you select the girl you want to be waking in the mornings with and treat her accordingly.

SJG

sjguy. i wish you were allways right on your points in your above post. but sometimes variables happen that are sometimes beyond control occur.

I'm lucky my fav place has no vip rooms...OTC is my VIP....:)

Things can always happen which you were not expecting. But if you have an objective in mind, it more often than not will go that way.

1. Select the girl you want to be waking up in the mornings with regularly.
2. Approach and engage with her yourself, culminating in a front room makeout session.
3. When it is time for your own pants to come down, you invite her to the back room.
4. Try to take her home with you, or at least get a definite outside meeting time set. If she won't even do that, then agree on when you will be at the club on her next shift. ( Usually girls have really loosened up by the second meeting, in my experience )
5. Continue to see her and pump loads into her regularly.

Sure, either party can back out at any time. There are ways it might not go off. Initial crossed wires. Girl is not really available, or at least not available right then. Need to go slower.

But if you know what you want, the maximum as I am laying it out, the odds are good. Certainly more results for your money when you do it this way. That front room makeout session, if she goes for it, will always make what ensues mind blowing for both parties.

HK bar videos show girls not giving a guy much choice in the matter, but TJA posts insist that the Playboy Bar is even more extreme. Even at our own no touching clubs, girls who want an immediate OTC engage in fiery DFKing.

SJG

Steely Dan Live 2006 - St. Louis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rHs02ud…

The club I’ve been regularly enjoying has VIP rooms - but I’ve only seen one used. The menu of extras offered in the lap dance stalls seems to work quite well for most everyone.

^^^^^ front room makeout session. Then when it is time for your own pants to come down, you invite her to the back room.

SJG

I tried a front room makeout session before - I almost got thrown outta there. You just have to tell her what you want - be clear and concise - it will be either a yes or no IME

Well that does not sound like a club to go back to.

Of course really it is the girls who are the ones letting it go that way. Plenty of accounts of this in US clubs.

If you treat her like you would any other girl, and if there is no real house prohibition, then the chances are good.

If not, save your money.

SJG

Its not really laws, its a cultural difference which makes TJ so much better than US clubs.

SJG

A lot of clubs don’t allow the front room make out session. They want that stuff going on in private rooms where they get a cut.

Scgato - I agree. In my experience - most all clubs don’t allow front room make out sessions. It’s not part of club reality.

"I tried a front room makeout session before - I almost got thrown outta there"


"A lot of clubs don’t allow the front room make out session. They want that stuff going on in private rooms where they get a cut."

Sjg has never been to a strip club. So he has no clue wtf hes talking about...

Regarding front room make outs,

"It’s not part of club reality."


Of course. Its only a part of sjg's fantasy mexican hat dancing circuits.

^^^^^this.

We should really have a stickied post at the top of the list of discussions warning newcomers that SJG is fucking delusional. Got people actually trying that front room make out crap and getting slapped by dancers and bouncers.

in all my years I’ve only seen one front room makeout session and it just so happened to be at the same club where I saw a dancer pee on the floor. anything is possible when you have low standards

@TFP - Totally agree with you. He is the worst of the trolls IMHO as he is the only one doing actual harm. Noobs just browsing the forum don't know who is legit and who is bat shit crazy.

i’ve been told i am bat shit krazy by a few...

It's the lack of moderation that hurts the site's credibility.

Zoey,

There are very respected persons here on this forum for whom front room makeout sessions are standard, and a requisite for further dealings with a dancer. He lets the girl know early on that he wants to be seeing her outside regularly. He selects them with this in mind.

Now, yes, these are really loose clubs where the women can do it anyway they want.

Lots of review accounts of clubs where front room makeout sessions are common. Often from a style which may be of black origins, where girls just sit on your lap and start licking your neck and nibbling at your ear lobe, defying you to come on to her and to start making out with her.

And then TUSCLer's affirming that in the mixed race dives, all the girls do it exactly that way.

Mostly its just to get guys into the VIP Rooms. But in some clubs they don't even bother with that, taking to couches in especially darkened corners to finish what they have started. More plausible deniability for the owner that way.

And then lots of talk about the old Texas Chair Forts in the early days of UHM, Dallas and Houston.

Again plausible deniability for the owner, maybe no house cut. In such situations where the girls are running it their own way, front room GFE demos are going to be common.

Maybe you have never worked in such places Zoey. That's fine. But the reason so many regular posters don't see this is that they don't want to see it, and because they treat dancers as fembots, or worse. They don't treat them the way they would treat any other woman, they act like money buys them.

In our underground Mex Bar circuit, kissing is prohibited, but it still happens. The girls who work in such places are outlaws. In one of these clubs they were doing front room FS. DFKing is an integral component of who and what these girls are. They do as many home OTC sessions as they can get. I call them, "The Beloved Latina Escorts".

And then even in our local no touching clubs, girls still occasionally do lots of fiery DFKing because they want an immediate OTC. Its ust the way they are, and sometimes intoxication seems to be a factor.

Girls DFKing from the stage, cause they know what bouncers are not there that day, and cause the club is closing and the back room mileage has gone off the scale, and the girls want results, not talk.

Again, maybe you Zoey have not danced in such places. But the reason guys posting here are so dense is its just the attitude they bring into these clubs.

And then for Tijuana the accounts of girls who lead with DFKing and don't allow a guy much choice in the matter are innumerable, and we have videos of it. And people on TJA say that it is even more extreme at Las Chevales and Bar Tropical, and the most at Playboy Bar.

It gets that way when the girls don't want to horse around, they want results, and that means immediate FS gigs.

SJG

DrunkPratorian, willing to say which club you almost got thrown out of, and who really made an issue of it, bouncer or the girl?

Remember, lap dancing started at MBOT, and there was never anything like a rule against kissing. All front room, no booths or back rooms, quite dark.

Always best when the girls are the only rule makers, and when there is no real house portion of what ensues.

And there are dive clubs like this in places in the US today!

Trying to force all action into booths and back rooms makes the place the modern version of a clip joint. They are selling a fantasy because the girl has not opened up to you. And once you agree to the booth or back room offering, you are letting her lead it. Real stupid.

SJG

Replying so you’ll stop messaging me to look at this dumb crap... yes I know such clubs exist and I’ve been to them but you couldn’t pay me to make out with any of the girls who work there, hence my low standards comment. Jeez.

^^^^^^^^

"yes I know such clubs exist"

Well, I'm glad to hear that zoey, and I'm glad you have your standards. But when you start posting stuff which you know to be untrue, then it does make things difficult because some people will believe your untruth.

Glad now that you are posting what you know is actually so, instead of posting things which you know to be untrue.

For others, this is where we finally got to the truth, after thousands of posts from TUSCL nay-sayers and outright trolls:

https://www.tuscl.net/discussion.php?id=…

SJG

"... yes I know such clubs exist and I’ve been to them but you couldn’t pay me to make out with any of the girls who work there, hence my low standards comment. "

SJG

... I’m starting to understand why everyone on this board roasts you so much

^ he’s a fucking psyco I had him on ignore for a month, I just put him back on ignore.

And zoey, again, when you post things which you know are untrue, like saying that you have never seen a front room makeout session, or only seen it once, people are likely to believe you.

Thank you for now posting that truth, that you have seen clubs where such things are common, and that you have been to them.

And I understand that you would not want to makeout with those girls or work in those clubs. But the key is the difference between posting what you know to be true versus things which you know are untrue.

SJG

OMG SJG please just shut up about it! You're gonna end up turning Zoey101 into a lurker again. Which would suck because in her short time posting she's given us some good insight into the dancer's perspective on a number of topics.

You claim to be the master of make out sessions yet you clearly suck at even conversing with women. Or conversing with anyone for that matter.

TFP - to us - it’s just SJG being SJG - but to others he’s really really annoying and confrontational.

All SJG has ever done IRL is try to DFK with AMP whores and eventually he failed at that because they all ran away from him. This is already well documented in his first TUSCL discussions. What he posts to TUSCL about doing it in strip clubs is merely his projection of his own demented fantasy.

As far as VIP rooms go it is not worth it to me. Most of the clubs in Portland have the option for it but most strippers offer the same mileage to me in the normal private dance area booths.

I'll splurge on a 30min VIP on occasion when I want to prolong my LDK but that is rare.

Zoey said to SJG: "Replying so you’ll stop messaging me to look at this dumb crap.."

What a creepy-as-fuck stalker.

SJG's DFK obsession is his defense mechanism from exacerbated sexual frustration.

At least now we have in Countryman and Zoey the admission that there are clubs where front room makeout sessions are common. They just see the dancers as subgrade.

Using strip clubs as a regular source of sexual gratification is the mark of a true PL. But if you use it because you want to hook up with a girl you will be seeing regularly, then it is good. And the front room makeout session, followed by the VIP Room is the best way to start off.

You don't take her into the VIP room to see if she is good, you take her into the VIP room because she is already good in the front room.

SJG

You’re from Washington. That’s why the reviews don’t have what you seek. The only club where I’ve had a minimal amount of success is Pandora’s. Most will do HJ. Some will FS. And very few will BJ. Time of day is relevant. Better early. Generally, all clubs in Seattle are waste of time. No booze and no smoking.

^^^^ replying to the OP?

Just buying VIP Time is a big risk. But if you have got a front room makeout session going with a girl you intend to be seeing regularly outside, then the VIP Room is a good resource for making it happen with her that first time.

SJG

You might be crazy person if... you think that all it takes is one kiss and a hot young stripper will make her magically want to fuck an old dude.

DFKing with lots of talk, the basic makeout session, does loosen most women up and ready them for sex. Age is not the only or primary determinant of what a young attractive woman will think of a man. More than anything it is how she perceives his character. And hence, age can actually help.

Being a dick head, is a huge disadvantage.

SJG

Seattle club dancers aren't shy. Before going to the VIP area, just ask.

^^^^^ Front room makeout session. Then when it is time for your own pants to come down, you invite her to the back room.

SJG

^^^^^^^^ Identify a female to your liking, rear up and display several large suckers on the underside of your tentacles to identify themselves as male. Front room tentacle makeout session. Then when it is time to insert your hectocotylus, you invite her to the back room.

Indeed. Just don't buy dances. Don't take the way things are orchestrated in strip clubs at face value, that is for chumps.

SJG