The cost of xyz was "reasonable"
rickdugan
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From now on, I am automatically going to vote NO on any review that includes a statement like this. It makes the whole review suspect as the cost of dances/drinks/etc. is one of the few things that is tough to fake without actually being there. Also, anyone who cannot provide basic intel on things like cover and drink prices is going to have a much higher hurdle to clear before I vote yes.
I agree with founder and others that the review quality is improving, but I also wonder if the sophistication of some of the fakes is also improving. Fwiw I intend to try to make it just a little harder for the better fakes to make it in.
I agree with founder and others that the review quality is improving, but I also wonder if the sophistication of some of the fakes is also improving. Fwiw I intend to try to make it just a little harder for the better fakes to make it in.
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I'm upset that shitty reviews are still getting through. Like this one: https://www.tuscl.net/rev.php?id=329297&…
Folks, reviews like that one should be getting down voted every single time.
Demanding that all reviews have this objective info will drive reviewers to just copy/paste.
I’m going more in TFP’s direction of scanning for prices. Not that price info makes a review good or bad by itself but if they can’t bother to say anything about cover or the cost of lap dances, I’m thinking either they weren’t in the club or they are too lazy to deserve a free month. But I also see Flag’s point. If they don’t mention any pricing, the review might still have useful info. I’m ok without price info but tell me something else about the club that is useful.
I hear what you're saying, but very few clubs are reviewed so frequently that a confirmation isn't useful. In many of these clubs, prices can be a moving target based upon time of day, whims of management, discretion of the dancers, etc.,etc.
All reviews should get posted, and those that get the thumbs up should be highlighted as member approved.
I've had trips to the club where I didn't buy a single dance, despite wanting one. I'd imagine that at the least, you're gonna find out what the prices are before deciding if it's worth it or not. That was exactly the case with my review of Roaring 20s in SF. Only bought one drink and didnt get a single dance. Yet I was able to give decent intel on prices (insane!) and VIP room sizes and dance prices.
You don't have to go down the entire list of prices. But of all things, there should be at least a mention of paying a cover price, since everyone has to enter the club. Or mention using a coupon or printed coupon from the website for a discount.
Opinions will differ. I disagree. If all of the reviews that we have collectively rejected made it on there anyway, it wouldn't solve the problem of the board being loaded with shit from people just trying to score VIP. I'm sure that there are plenty of people who will gladly keep shoveling shit against the wall just to see what sticks for VIP. Reading what is still making it through, I think it's fair to say that the bar is not being set so high that we have to worry about a lot of legit reviews being rejected.
I see this as an improvement with no downside.
We would also lose the ability to filter out explicit discussions of dancer p4p services. I voted "no" on two this morning that read like TER reviews, with no details regarding the club, costs, etc., yet each provided explicit information about one particular dancer anf the services that she provided. I haven't seen them posted, so I'm guessing that 2 other people also voted no on each. Now that TER and BP are closed, do you really want the refugees from those sites to start pumping this place full of the same stuff?
Good point. I wouldn't want that.
But I'm opposed to censorship, so I'm not a fan of being a censor either. I would feel hypocritical.
I'm all for people speaking up about what they find valuable in reviews, but would stop short of saying there is right and wrong information to include in a review for all reviews. If a review is a bad review, usually a lack of price structure is not its biggest problem. I was recently in a town that gave receipts for just about everything, including the drinks in the strip clubs, so had the unusual chance to look over a bunch of receipts club by club and see what I spent on drinks.
Off the top of my head, the only drink price I remember clearly is a $16 red bull and vodka because it way way more expensive than other drinks I'd gotten at the clubs in the area. But they brought the whole can of red bull and used non-cheap vodka, so it made sense once I saw what the bartender had done. On the other hand, there are clubs that are obvious duds and I'm only there long enough to figure out I don't want to be there. I'm not going to take the time to get all the details on a club I wouldn't recommend to anyone. That's time I could be spending at a better club.
But on the flip side, in most cases a pop-in review is about as useful as no review at all. I don't like to stay too long at a bad place either, but I try to give it enough time to be fair. Now I can understand it a little more with reviews of clubs in foreign countries, where safety and language barrier issues are heightened, but her in the good ol' US of A I struggle to wrap my arms around a generic review based upon a 10 minute visit.
I a.m. opposed to censorship but maybe it isn’t a bad idea to allow those that aren’t obviously shill posts to access VIP in an effort to help improve their skills, what should be done is maybe allow a probationary approval vote with the requirement that the next review by the same poster require 6 as opposed to 3 yes votes and be submitted in 21 days as opposed to the four weeks free VIP, that shouldn’t be difficult to implement. And might encourage some future members to up their game.
I think more posters makes the site better.
My finding is that when not a single price is mentioned, the review is usually mostly worthless. Not always, but a lot of the time. The few meaningful reviews without prices talk about everything else I want in reviews and these keep my attention. They mention the nationalities of the women. Are they mostly thin, thick, enhanced? What kind of contact is allowed. Do they have a communal VIP section or private one on one rooms.....yada yada yada.
And in your case Wallanon if the club sucks just say why. Your reviews are excellent. But some guys just say something like: the girls were lame so I bailed. What good is that? How hard is it to say, the dances were all air dances. Or the girls weren't attractive. Something, anything.
It is amusing how big headed some people are getting now that @founder has bestowed on them a little power.
It's like:
" If you don't write everything that I require in a review to be deemed adequate I will not only vote no but do my best to influence everyone else to have the same demands that I have."
On the other hand, I might have info that could be a lot more helpful than a random dude's thorough report of all dollar amounts and I could be able to drop a few words to the wise that may be difficult to obtain otherwise.
When I'm looking for a club, it doesn't matter all that much if a beer is $2.50 or $5.75, but I would like to know if I can walk in, make eye contact with a dancer, put my arm around her waist at the bar and put my hand on her stomach to claim her without being shot when some dumbass walks up and tries to talk to her before I'm done. Likewise, whether it's a make-it-rain club.
If some guy with bad breath got the upsell talk, hearing about that is less useful than the basic setup info, imo.
As far as your comment though, I actually agree that no one person should have the power to veto a review as we each have our own biases. IMHO requiring 3 votes to turn a review away is a good balance.
You are really a glutton for punishment after being fully repudiated by me and many members of the board, as well as founder, you constantly troll me because I gobsmacked you soundly every time you took a swipe at me, just because I chose not to reply to an idiot that thinks he knows everything about every subject under the sun,doesn't mean anything you want to debate subjects that are above your level of intelligence, and I really don't have the patience to argue with such a low IQ inbred moron, such as your self.
Why don't you slither back under the rock you were hiding under for the past few days, and lie in the mud and muck below, with the rest of the lower life forms.
I have had a fetish about that since the first time I went to a golf course.
I can only imagine sitting next this this d-bag in a club, cigar smoke driving away the strippers and, when that fails, his whiny nasally voice and creepy attitude no doubt finish the job.
Wait a minute...am I starting to troll a troll now? LOLOLOL (oops - sorry 25, I stole your ending with that one) :)
Dammit, passed over again. What does a guy have to do to get some ghey on this website?
If emphasis is not placed on prices then half the reviewers will kick the can diwn the road "because it's been covered in previous reviews" so a reader may have to read 5 or 10 reviews to get basic imfo (price, etc).
This is taken from the Diamond Dolls profile:
HOURS
11:30am-2am Mon-Sat, 1pm-2am Sun
DETAILS
Mixed
LAP DANCE COST10
AVG. DRINK COST4.75
COVER DAY0
COVER NIGHT5/10
FEATURES
Alcohol
Bottle Service
Food
Cigar Bar
DJ
Topless Lap Dances
Nude Lap Dances
Private Lap Dance Rooms
Couple Friendly
VIP Room
SATISFACTION RATINGS
8.36
8.49
8.22
8.37
I don't see why we wouldn't want a story about their experience. To me, that usually paints a better picture of what the club is like.
If you think the review is fake, vote it down.
If you think it provides no value, vote it down.
I'm just saying my idea of what constitutes value obviously differs from yours. Fine. Just don't try to tell me what criteria I should use when evaluating the reviews.
That or remove the club profile altogether if it isn't useful.
Whoa
APRIL 29, 2018
I’m just a wide eyed country boy, but wow, this place is something else. Banging hotties everywhere, most were modified to some extent. Most were Cuban. The dances are expensive but every one was worth it. I’d probably pass on the table dances next time. If this place were in my hometown I’d be in trouble. This club is more about the action in the booths than the stage show, but I’m not complaining. Awesome time, and I will be back....
In my view - reviews are for the reader - and not the reviewer.
So, I don’t care if you think Trixie’s tits are too fake looking - or that Bubbles acted bitchy towards you. I want to see if there’s parking nearby, if there’s a cover, if it’s a gentleman’s club or if it’s a brothel that serves beer.
I don’t care that you think you are the F. Scott Fitzgerald of club reviews - I want facts (and filth)...
Think about movie reviews: Siskel & Ebert didn't spend 100% of their time talking/writing about a scene they liked without describing the basics: plot, characters, is the film a drama or comedy, etc. That's what makes a review meaningful to other readers. You can disagree, it's a free country and you're entitled to be wrong.
Going back to the OP, Ihave to disagree with @RickDugan about details for drink prices, since I consider that a secondary (at best) factor in considering clubs. At most, I'll sometimes note if drink prices are abnormally high (e.g. most Detroit clubs) or if there's a drink hustle/premium for dancer drinks.
What fagboner said. I'm in!
> Most were Cuban. The dances are expensive but every one was worth it.
Oh man, if I could tell you about this one Cubana... I will never forget her.
If a club is reviewed only a couple times a year there may be value in providing this objective data. What would be better would be to just update the profile with accurate data. That is visible with every review.
For clubs that are reviewed every couple of days, there is no value added to just providing the same info that was provided in the previous review.
I'm entitled to be wrong, but I am not in this case.
You are entitled to be an idiot, and if your post is any indication, you are one.
Please answer this question:
If dance prices, cover charge, club layout, drink prices, parking, hours of operation, ... don't change over time what is the benefit of requiring a reviewer to include them in every review instead of just updating the profile with that info?
Nobody has provided a counter to that.
The primary and most current information on clubs on this site is provided by reviews, not the profiles. Updating the profile information is cumbersome, at best. Amongst other shortcomings, the profile info doesn't account for variations in time of day/day of week or specials (e.g. half-price Mondays @Bogarts, discount Thursdays @ COI clubs). It's far more efficient to describe these sorts of things in a narrative review.
I'll give a concrete example:
A certain club has topless dances for one price point, full nude for another. The price structure would be in the profile info, but it would not be clear without a review explaining it that the topless dances occur on open benches in a semi-private area, whereas the nude dances happen in a fully private room (which for whatever reason isn't referred to as "VIP" by the club so may not show in the profile accordingly).
More to the point, I did not ever say *every* review has to include *every* detail, what I and others have been advocating (and you seem inexplicably opposed to) is providing at least the basic information as part of a review in a way that is meaningful for others.
You're both pretty, boys!
> Updating the profile information is cumbersome, at best.
It's almost as bad as treading the minefield of cattiness to get a review approved!
> is providing at least the basic information as part of a review in a way that is meaningful for others.
The basic information is "is she hot/kind/other, and will she sit by me"
The rest is just details. Maybe we could make up a name for it and call it Club Details.
How about starting every review with the redundant shit that doesn't change?
That way the next reviewer, if they are already VIP can save time/effort and just copy that for their review before adding info of value.
That or revamp the profile section to make it useful.
Or scrap the profile altogether if it is inaccurate and cumbersome.
The point that costs are included in other reviews is silly to me. As others said, they often change in a lot of clubs. A lot of clubs have happy hour, or specials on days of the week, etc. Some clubs have girls who charge more. Often times the info in the club profile is wrong, or misleading/incomplete. As in the Diamond Dolls example, they do have $10 dances, but they aren't "Lap" dances. They also have the 3-4-$100 room and $25 individual dances, and even a champagne room who's pricing apparently varies depending on the manager on duty, time of day, alignment of mercury, etc.
That said, if a review covers other things with reasonable detail I'll still vote yes. My thinking is the reviewer has to provide something detailed. Maybe he rambles on about the parking situation for 2 paragraphs, or details the cover situation where they scan ID's, or details the paperwork required to pay for a room with a credit card. I may not care about that particular item, but I want to see something that someone might find useful for me to vote yes. I often just abstain from voting for middling reviews about clubs I don't know about.
Also - my last-time in ATL - I hit Strokers in Clarkston - club is $10 dances but $5 all day/night on Mondays - only remember one review mentioning that o/w I would have not known and would have been paying $10/song instead of $5 on that Mo eve visit.
More important though, I disagree wholeheartedly with the notion that reviews should contain primarily objective data points, especially when the review is brimming with a lot of useless "objective" minutiae, like whether there were paper towels in the dispenser in the bathroom, while painfully lacking in anything experiential about the visit.
I voted no on 2 of your reviews recently, which I only realized today were yours. The first because it was so identical to another one that I thought it was a duplicate. The second was one posted yesterday, which made it through anyway, because I was tired of reading the same template comments over and over, which you have obviously saved for continued re-use, subject to tweaking of course.
I could have written those reviews with a five minute walkthrough of the club, or maybe less if previous reviewers had provided good information, which is why I asked you if you actually interacted with any dancers. Were there attitudes good? Were any of them ROBs? Did some give better LDs than others? Was one so charming that you couldn't tear away? Did anything unusual (good or bad) happen while you were there? Etc., etc., etc. That is the good stuff.
I started this thread using the lack of cost information as the stalking horse, but as I said before, 19 out of 20 that include a generic statement about cost are also generic about specific experiences. At least you manage to make it into the doorway and buy a drink, which is something, but honestly I find that template format to be only marginally more helpful than the generic crap reviews I was railing about to begin with.
I follow a template and from my own experience in the professional world of reviewing things, that's how it's usually done. Some things change and some things don't. I think it's important to be able to track these things for an audience to get an understanding how consistent a SC is.
"I could have written those reviews with a five minute walkthrough of the club, or maybe less if previous reviewers had provided good information, which is why I asked you if you actually interacted with any dancers.Were there attitudes good? Were any of them ROBs? Did some give better LDs than others? Was one so charming that you couldn't tear away? Did anything unusual (good or bad) happen while you were there? Etc., etc., etc. That is the good stuff."
I take way more than 5 minutes to write a review. I note dancer's attitudes so perhaps you should read a bit more carefully.
"I started this thread using the lack of cost information as the stalking horse, but as I said before, 19 out of 20 that include a generic statement about cost are also generic about specific experiences. At least you manage to make it into the doorway and buy a drink, which is something, but honestly I find that template format to be only marginally more helpful than the generic crap reviews I was railing about to begin with."
Then perhaps you aren't the audience someone such as myself would be looking for. I am glad that you called yourself out, essentially
For me, a short review with even one important and factual detail is useful. Sometimes ultra useful, as in “I was in the club only a couple minutes when a bouncer type walked up to me and growled that I buy something or get the fuck out, of course I complied and won’t be back”. That review would and should get posted everytime, I’ll use the reviewers history as a guage of truthfulness.
It might be helpful to know who’s posting we are reading. But I think Founder is trying to keep us from any preconceived bias we might have.