When they fall apart fast when drugs are involved

Unfortunately it goes both ways. A couple of years ago I had a favorite that I was seeing OTC at my house. At the time I had no idea she was a heroin user. She was a college student, lived at home, etc. Then she got busted for DUI, using a fake I.D in an auto accident., failure to appear, etc.

She wound up on probation, stopped doing heroin and started putting on the pounds to the point that she was no longer cute and desirable. She is still stripping but not making much money.

My fav has been fighting those demons. Clean for 2 yrs now except for a relapse of about a month or two.

"......stopped doing heroin and started putting on the pounds to the point that she was no longer cute and desirable."

Was she on methadone therapy? That can cause people to put on a lot of weight quickly.

“She is now missing a tooth and has the tell tale acne that comes with opioid abuse. she is also pushing hard now for an OTC option, but of course I want nothing to do with her now.”

Why not? I thought that kind of desperation was exactly what you look for? Are you abandoning the system?

^^^@realduckster, you beat me to the punch that was almost exactly what I was thinking when I read the dudes post.

ATACdawg - I don't know. She ended our relationship. Then a year later this toad comes up and asks if she can at least get a hug.

For an opportunist type of monger - that girl is definitely in need of money - so she’s hungry. I’d push her to do otc at a bargain price. I’d recommend doing it before she starts to look rougher.

I've seen it time and time again too, when you get drugs involved (especially hard drugs) how things change. Seen beautiful girls who were very selective on who they would always obey the rules turn into strung out addicts that are doing $20 bj's in the alley. I'm pretty libratanian about most things, but we gotta do something about the drugs

I'm ariestanian.

I sympathize with you my friend. You're a rick and we ricks deserve the best. Of course, you're an ape and don't deserve as much as a lion, but you're the smartest hairless ape on the planet so you deserve the best of what the world can offer apes.

On the other hand, don't you like it when the girls are a bit dirty? You know you do my friend. Don't kid the other apes on this site. Remember that we've double timed many a gal. Some have been super hotties, and some have been a little lower on the hottie scale. Like our tour of Thailand. We started out with the hotties and then we drank a bit. Okay, I admit it. We drank a lot. Then we went down the street and you had some fun with the ladyboy. I sat it out because I don't swing that way, but I figured you had issues to work out. Then we drank some more and double teamed that orangutan whore. Those were good times.

ROAR!

If a dancer starts using heroin, she will lie to you (more than usual) and she will steal from you.

Funny shadow, I've seen the flip side too and even posted about it once. As happy as we might be to see a girl get clean, seeing that same girl blow up like a cocker spaniel is a definite turnoff.

I used to wonder what OTC was like. Now that I have been on the board for awhile I realize its like eeeeewwwwww.

Awe TUSCLs favorite cuddly animal is back, Rickthelion!!!!!!

Ugh I am relate, I had a very bubbily and friendly stripper in Detroit that was great for OTC, then she went downhill fast because of drugs. She gave me hints but at the time I just missed them.

I actually had my CF's take me home and I had to watch how they can't hit a vein any more...and the one girl was damn good looking, I mean she was only 27 but really good looking and sexy....But I realized after a few weeks how bad off these girls were...The hot one would do or say anything to get more money...I was glad I made her have sex with me 3 times because it was so damn good...but in the end we had to part ways because I was enabling her big time...She was always going to detox....but never stayed and signed out AMA.

This guy seems legit! A real spell caster - with an email address for his temple! I love it!

ski posted: --->"I used to wonder what OTC was like. Now that I have been on the board for awhile I realize its like eeeeewwwwww."

The crazy stories you read on here are generally the exceptions rather than the norm, or at least for me. 95%+ of my OTC arrangements run smoothly, which doesn't really provide much material for tuscl posts. It is the other 5% that go sideways somehow that become post fodder here.

Though in this case, to be clear, we were talking about a girl who I did NOT take OTC. Instead I took a hot girl who fucked me like I was her boyfriend back from deployment, but I didn't bother posting about that as it is part of the 95%+ that run smoothly and don't provide novel posting material.

Rick the Lion, classic Rick story!!

You should share more of your adventures with that hairless ape buddy of yours.

If rickdugan's crazy stories are the exception rather than the norm I wonder how many "OTC arrangements" he engages in!

If rickdugan is actually married with children I feel sorry for his wife and children. It is one thing to have the occasional adventure. That's ace if you're into it! But it is another thing to spend as much time bottom feeding as rickdugan. And he must spend almost every waking hour doing said bottom feeding if 95% of his arrangements are not TUSCL crazy story write up material.

Don't get me wrong, rickdugan's crazy stories are brilliant. But if they are 100% true I'm actually a bit sad for all involved. Of course my theory is that many of rickdugan's stories are almost as fictional as the lion guy's stories.

In fact, I'm sort of buying rickthelion's story that he witnessed rickdugan banging a Bangkok ladyboy!

One of my up until recently current favorites has gotten that way. It's a shame because she was almost a unicorn, a hot 9 with a great attitude who gave incredible dances. In two short months she lost quite a bit of weight, so much so that her nice natural C-cup tits deflated and are now somewhat wrinkly and floppy, and her body has the tell tale acne. Last time I saw her she just was way spaced out and seemed to be talking to someone who wasn't there, and the bouncers had to escort her to the dressing room several times.

^ Jeez - that is sad - seems a lot of these girls are in some serious emotional pain and/or have aome serious emptiness to be giving their lives to drugs like that

Papi - it's a job that exposes young dancers to extremes. Just like 90% of new businesses fail in first 2 years - 90% of new dancers quit, retire or fall in first 2 years. Survivers do well.

I'm not into drug users at all. If I suspect a stripper is on something I drop her quick. To my knowledge none of my past favorites have been drug addicts or users.

@Papi: "^ Jeez - that is sad - seems a lot of these girls are in some serious emotional pain and/or have aome serious emptiness to be giving their lives to drugs like that."

That, or they love the feeling of being fucked up high and it devolves from there, or a combo of this and what you said. And yes, tragically sad.

"Last time I saw her she just was way spaced out and seemed to be talking to someone who wasn't there...'

Your odds for OTC have risen exponentially. Now is the time to implement the System!

#BeLikeRick

Good point RogerTex. Its not an easy job. There are few who make it through the first year. The ones who make it (without developing drug dependencies) are rare.

Rick is the model of an opportunistic monger. He sets the bar high - and it’s not easy to achieve his level of mongering.

?? I guess some folks missed the part where I said that I didn't take her OTC because of her visible issues. ??

I make one joke, several years ago, about hoping that a girl needed cash for her methadone treatment (she was clean for weeks by then) and I am forever labelled as a guy who preys on drug addled strippers, despite too many posts to count indicating the exact opposite.. Sheesh - tough crowd here. :)

^Or you accidentally let the truth out and have been trying to back pedal ever since

My comment wasn’t intended as a dig. I think the same thing - as it’s basic supply and demand.

If the dancer thinks you are too into her - she won’t negotiate on price at all. However, if you relax and find an opening, you can use it to negotiate a reasonable rate.

Dancers do the same thing to us all the time!

I've seen too many dancers and young women in general take the drug induced tumble. It's a damn shame but they made their choices and have to live, or die with those choices.

@RD

make one joke, several years ago, about hoping that a girl needed cash for her methadone treatment (she was clean for weeks by then) and I am forever labelled as a guy who preys on drug addled strippers, despite too many posts to count indicating the exact opposite.. Sheesh - tough crowd here. :)<

You know Dude your good a dishing out shit but you are one of the thinnest skinned people here. I defined you long ago by stating what appears to be your words to live by

How can I use someone else’s misfortune to my gain< It was true years back it’s still true today.

You guys better listen to rickdugan. He's the smartest and most insightful hairless ape on the planet. Ever since I was a planktonic larva I wanted to be a rick.

All you non-ricks better watch yourselves, lest I give you a crab claw to the testicle!

Scuttle! Scuttle! Scuttle!

I do everything I can to avoid addicts. I did not always have this rule but drugs have ruined the lives of too many people I know. Drugs ruin a person's body and I'd rather skip those with the discolored or missing teeth, health issues and that death warmed over ashen gray pallor.

Skibum609. OTC doesn't have to be eeeeewwwwww as you describe it.

As for a point in the OP, "all too common today". I think it was just as common. When I started in this hobby forty years ago it was coke and uppers. Now it is opioids and Xanax

There is something to be said for missing teeth.