A great and righteous holy war

We will probably not know until years in the future if this war was a mistake. It could end with a victory or it could become another Vietnam style quagmire. North Vietnam was another country we were going to bomb back to the stone age. The Iranians will most likely retaliate to massive American air strikes by bombing the oil production facilities of our Middle East allies. If they are successful, we are likely to see higher prices here in this country, followed by a recession and the Republicans doing badly in the midterms.

It's not damaging to put Democrats back in power. Trump spends our money like one of his failed businesses and debt skyrockets out of control. Look at our debt in the last 40 years when a Democrat is president vs a Republican. Look at job creation Democrats vs Republicans. Republicans ALWAYS leave the economy much worse than when they took office.

I agree with much you said, Rick. But not the word 'holy'. Wars ain't holy. They're helly.

thank you, Pakistan, for some hope

What I said isn't opinion. Those are facts. Compare the numbers and tell me I'm wrong. Democrats do MUCH better with the economy. Our debt with Republicans in office is literally unsustainable. How much money is being wasted on this war?

We did much of the heavy lifting already. Killed a lot of top guys. What we destroyed will take decades to rebuild. No need for boots on the ground. I would a way to get the greater populace at large small arms. Arm them. Let THEM do it. Give them a chance. What are they going to do unarmed? It'll all happen naturally. This is really case in point why we need to protect the 2nd Amendment at all costs in our country. A government can do whatever they want to unarmed folks. It gets a whole hell of a lot harder to slaughter civilians wholesale when the whole neighborhood is locked, cocked and loaded.

Anyone who says this war will do anything other than diminish the U.S. is either delusional or working for Isreal.

Sane America does not support Trump. He's incredibly unpopular right now. What is his approval rating? Overwhelmingly Americans have said they want Trump focused on the economy as their number one issue. Instead he's focused on starting extremely expensive wars with no plan of how to get out of them, taking bribes on his crypto coin, bribes of private jets, focusing on his ballroom etc. As always it's all about himself and he's done nothing to make life more affordable. He clearly doesn't care about that. Even people that voted for him 3 times have finally had enough of him.

Iran, Hezbollah, Isis, Hamas, Houthis, Al-Queda are all ideas, more than organizations. You cannot murder na idea unless you murder all who hold that idea to be true.

===> "Why is the US ‘allowed’ to have nuclear weapon and other countries are not?"

Plenty of other countries have nukes. But Iran simply cannot be trusted with one. If you are confused about why, read what I posted above - as slowly as you need to.

The day will come when nukes are dropped all over. Chances are it will be a massive exchange. Once our mainland gets nuked, and it will, people will change their attitudes. The further in the future we can push that event tbe happier I'll be.

^ Israel and Lebanon were not part of any ceasefire and Trump never said they were. I would rather have Bibi run the show than waffling Trump, who literally sounds fucking insane right now. The single worst dealmaker in history imo.

Just cut bait and get us the fuck out of this debacle. Like you can start a war and then make some jerk off “deal” to end it. Beyond stupid from the start.

Others are playing checkers while Trump is playing chess.

^ just tell the stupid child he’s the greatest warrior ever and he guided us to the biggest victory in history and now it’s over.

How stupid. Like you know anything more than some other pl on strip club website? Silly talk….

One thing I can assure you is that the regime that replaces the void in Iran will be more extremely than the last one, because that is the only way that works operates and survives. Nothing has changed there in over 5,000 years so what makes you think this time will be Amy different? Just dumb silly pseudo wanna be macho talk. Your words are bigger then your bite….

Maybe he’s spiritual counsel Judy Gemstone Cain can tell him he’s Jesus and Alexander the Great rolled into one while she gives him a handjob.

The only chess Trump is playing is manipulating the stock market. There has been major trading right before Trump makes an announcement multiple times. Again he cares about himself and his rich buddies and nobody else.

Here is a blast of reality:

We found out the hard way Iran had missiles that could go over 2,500 miles. That puts them in Europe. This is an 800AD Jihadist Infidel Death Culture. They would use a nuke to advance Jihad, and need further proof look at the rogue terror groups they support/fund. Had Iran put a nuke on a missile, they would use it in 6 months or even 2 years, that's not acceptable.

The ME countries should have stopped Iran decades ago but didn't. My gut tells me they secretly supported Iran, along with CCP and Putin, to let them do the mercenary efforts of Jihad - you are either a Muslim or Infidel.

Iran controls the Strait of Hormuz, and local ME countries did NOTHING to stop them, even if it meant attacking Iran. The Strait is a major route for oil and LNG that supports the pussies in Europe who fear their Muslim Immigrants that have taken over.

Had Iran got a nuke mounted, you would blame Trump for not dealing with Iran. Now that they don't have a nuke mounted you blame Trump for going in to prevent it. Can't have it both ways dickweeds.

Obama shipped pallets, Billions, of cash in the dead of night to Iran. Biden flew in illegals in the dead of night. We were told the "Border is Closed" as over 15M crossed and an unknown number of terrorists - that was like Tiffany's saying the store is closed with the doors left wide open.

2020 COVID was handled with an iron fist, something a true Fascist would do plus support DEI/Woke. Do a little history and you'll find in the 1930s, FDR sent his top advisors to Italy to check out Mussolini's govt and how FDR could leverage it.

Inflation went non-linear. We had an opportunity to add to the Strategic Oil Reservices when oil was piss cheap - in April 2020 Brent Crude was around $10/barrel. Getting it at that price would be against the Green Shitty Deal, and whoever was controlling the WH would have non of THAT.

When gas went way up in 2021-2023, Dems never pitched a fit. They just did more wind and solar and jacked up energy prices they claimed would go down, did the opposite. And, this allowed them to push hard on EVs, even the orgasms Harris had over battery-powered yellow school buses that were a massive disaster.

Even that massive CA Ivanpah Solar Power Facility CA that cost $2.2B (over half funded by the Feds) was shutdown as a failure a year ago, birds were called Screamers as they were burned alive and screamed.

When gas was around $2/gal in January, not one FUCKING DEM said Congratulations, nor did they beat on Biden when prices had gone ballistic. Nor have the said shit about gas prices in CA as refineries are closing due to Fascist CA Dem Statutes. Trump didn't do that, DEMS did that to CA.

If we pulled our bases out of Europe, you have no idea the economic level of economic devastation that would occur, and the EU deserves it as they take a knee to their immigrant Islamic buddies - look at London lately?

Obama's 12 years, yeah his crew controlled Biden, was a disaster. Health care is stupid expensive now and highly controlled. Insurance companies get Corporate Welfare from Taxpayers via continued COVID subsides. Dems want "Medicare For All" aka "MEDICAID for All" aka rationing, killing elderly as they are a drag on the economy (Obama's words) and people under 18 would be expendable as they are not productive. Look no further than the $100s of BILLIONS in fraud in all 50 states, worse in Blue states and Florida (retirement capital.)

To all the TDS PLs - I hope your DICKS rot and y'all get Necrotizing fasciitis or better yet slow advancing gangrene.

Iran needed to be crushed, only Trump had the stones to do it and it is being neutered. Better now than after they get nuke on a long-range missile and us it. Iran will be a hot mess for a long time until the 800AD radicals are sent to room temp.

And yes, the fear of terrorist attacks in the USA is quite real, and on Biden's REAL Fascist Regime for allowing so many illegals to cross unchecked.

I wish there was a way to prevent TDS Dems from benefiting from a strong US Economy once this hot mess settles down, and it will. Go ahead and bitch, and sadly you'll benefit.

Strong US economy? What a joke. Trump is a moron incapable of creating a strong economy and immigrants actually help our economy. Trump is a master of exploding our debt and bankrupting everything he touches.

Mogul, I only read part of your manifesto, but regarding China and Russia involvement we’ve basically heard crickets from them on their support for Iran. They don’t have the will or possibly resources to go at this and maybe really don’t give a fuck what happens.

^ This week, China and Russia blocked a UN Resolution on Iran. The ball-less UN is useless - China/Russia support Iran. They just see Iran as a way to tie America up with spending and Americans not paying attention to the insurgence of global Communism - call it what you, it is Communism.

Iran cannot have a nuke. Trump caved to the stock market, price of oil and the polls. No regime change, no removal of existing enriched uranium, no destruction of their ability to make a nuke or ballistic missiles. Yes, we delayed them, but it’s not enough.

They are untrustworthy negotiators but so are we. We convinced Libya to give up nukes. Didn’t work out well for Qaddafi or Libya. We convinced Ukraine to give up nukes and now have largely abandoned them after promising to protect them against Russia. Probably most fresh in the Iranian’s minds is we made a deal with them to allow limited progress on nukes, then we ripped it up and bombed them last summer before the current war. We also tried very hard to unsuccessfully limit North Korea from getting nukes. Now, we’re calling NK our best friend and declaring that we have a great relationship with Kim. All we’ve done in told Iran and the world that if you have nukes, we’ll be your friend, if you don’t we’re going to bomb the shit out of you. We’ve just made a mess for our future presidents.

As to those presidents, we’ve made it ever more likely that the dems will crush the midterms and the 2028 presidential elections. The worst part of that is not the result itself but the how. They can likely effectively run on an anti-Trump anti-war campaign without offering any moderating policies of their own. It will swing the pendulum further left and not back to the middle.

Trump needs to finish this but instead we’re getting more TACO Tuesday.

“@Hank Moody - What does "finishing this" look like, a ground war?”

Unfortunately, yes. No one asked me if I wanted this war before we got into it. I didn’t want it. But now that we’re in, let’s get something more than buying a few years’ time, if that. The Israelis said they destroyed Iran’s ballistic missile capabilities in 2024. We said we obliterated the nukes. They’ve shown how quickly they can rebuild (with the help of China mostly, but also Russia and NK). As it is, the Iranians have realized how little it takes to close the strait. If they get us to stop the war, they are going to charge a toll, which we somehow are supporting. It’s bonkers.

There was no easy way to handle 47 years of Mullahs taking Iran back to 800AD laws. Dems were pissed off Trump said he'd end their civilization (this is Trump "Art of the Deal" speak) yet that is exactly what the 1979 Iranian Revolution did - they destroyed it, and no one cared. The ME is a hot mess as Islam is the govt - some want peace, too many want infidels to convert or die.

The Mullah were like the Church rebooting the Spanish Inquisition. And sure, Europe and ME countries were not doing a thing about Iran, especially the ME countries who had a rogue Iran funding terrorist cells in the ME, and now they are getting hit.

At some point, Iran would come to a serious head like Germany with Nevile Henderson saying Hitler had a "good side" and wanted peace, then attacking Poland in WWII. Appeasement doesn't work with evil.

Humans are a horribly destructive life form. Something had to be done with Iran, no one was doing it, kicking the can down the road - appeasement and cash sure wasn't working. Biden lifting/ignoring sanctions, Obama sending cash. yeah, that just fueled Iran's Islamic world domination.

Let me ask: How should Iran have been handled? Let them nuke-up, build ICBMs, and lob them to America? This isn't over by a long shot. And yeah, the GOP may lose the House and maybe the Senate, unless we get signs of stability this Summer than every day Americans can feel in the economy and gas tank.

The strategic bombing of Nazi Germany, at a greater scale, did not neutralize it as a military threat. Military age Americans don't see saving Israel as their fight. Even if they did, the effectiveness of a ground invasion of Iran is as unlikely as it was in Iraq, Afghanistan and Vietnam. The best that air attacks can do is deter Iran, not neutralize it as a threat. Cargo ships will have to be retrofitted for remote/auto pilot through the Straits of Hormuz. Hopefully US voters will put on their big kid pants, and face the fact that no President of either party can prevent inflation due to supply disruptions.

Wasn't it Warren Buffet who said that Trump isn't like other billionaires -- he doesn't generate wealth, he generates debt. Everything Trump builds and owns, he borrows money for.

And it makes me wonder if Putin and Xi might be borrowing from Reagan's playbook. The USSR collapsed economically because of the escalating arms race. Russia and China might be pitching in to help Iran, but they're forcing Trump to spend money the US just doesn't have.

The US is, what, $39 trillion in debt. Just a couple, three weeks ago, I saw a quip from the Treasury that the US is basically insolvent. It's sounding like the US is well on its way to economic collapse.

^ Our debt is a ball/chain on our neck, no question. If we economically collapse so will China as they are seriously dependent on us. Until govt stops spending on mainly welfare/redistribution of wealth, we a headed to a hard dead end like so many countries have done over 1,000s of years. This isn't a new paradox, just history repeating itself.

@Hank_Moody

“ The Israelis said they destroyed Iran’s ballistic missile capabilities in 2024. We said we obliterated the nukes. They’ve shown how quickly they can rebuild (with the help of China mostly, but also Russia and NK).”

Thats completely laughable. Youre claiming that israel was just telling the truth when they said they annihilated their missile capabilities, and thats what happened and iran just rebuilt stuff fast? Obviously israel could have just been inaccurate.

@mogul1985

“ The ME countries should have stopped Iran decades ago but didn't. My gut tells me they secretly supported Iran, along with CCP and Putin, to let them do the mercenary efforts of Jihad - you are either a Muslim or Infidel.”

So you admit that all the middle eastern countries support Jihad, correct, and they all need to be restrained as far as their military or weapons capabilities, correct?

So in that case would you say places like turkey and Pakistan need to be attacked and restrained after iran, and additionally, all the gulf countries themselves cannot have any sort of significant military might, correct?

And additionally, you support bombing all those countries, correct?

Thank you for admitting all that so openly, because if you run the numbers, china, russia, plus the middle east totals out to billions of people/almost half the world. And a lot of republicans, maybe even most republicans, like you, want all those nations bombed or totally dismantled militarily.

@skibum609 of course a traitor like you would say better netanyahu than trump, the irony is you and netanyahu are both insanely violent

@rickthehick you really need to put down the pipe. @ThePuddyTat has suggested you are either a tard or troll - I say both.

And you think @skibum609 is a traitor?

You really ARE a Tard and a Troll. Like John Wayne said, "Life is tough, but it’s tougher when you’re stupid.”

@thepuddytat aka the pussytat the problem with your argument is its abnormal to yell any of those things in public.

The other problem with your little argument is that Moslems commit a higher proportion of terrorist attacks, possibly, sure. But thats not the same as committing a higher proportion of violence in general. Your argument is like focusing only on white school shooters to attempt to excuse the fact blacks commit tbe highest percentage of murders in the US.

Its the same thing witn your Moslem example. Terror attacks are only one small category of overall murders.

The other funny thing is the biased definition around the term terrorism- Jews cant commit terrorism at all unless they are attacking white people- but even then, USS liberty supposedly wasnt a terror attack either

The other funny thing witb your argument is not everyone yells something before attacking people. The Moslems yelling Allahu Akbar are suicide bombers. So your basically claiming only suicide bombers are terrorists and if someone drops a bomb from a plane its not terrorism, right? Thats horrid logic.

I debunked your whole narrative even without needing to delve into any so called conspiracy theories. Sad day for a supposed ivy league graduate. Your latin immigrant parents appear to be more vile and subhuman than MS 13 gang rapists my friend. Sad state to be in.

Just to reiterate, you literally are claiming terrorism is only bad if the attacked yells Allahu Akbar before it. That is INSANE my guy. My view is that murder is wrong no matter what words are chanted before during or after- i know its a tough concept for someone whos physically, mentally, and morally inferior like yourself.

Youre living proof of the fact people with certain origins just aren’t developed and built the same way.

Whether were talking physical development, moral development or mental development, your inferior in all those aspects. You probably arent very tall, probably arent muscular, probably dont have symmetrical features, probably arenr very smart, obviously dont have any sense of right or wrong, etc

@mogul1985, yes, anyone who says netanyahu is somehow better than trump, in any way, is a traitor, lol.

Netanyahu should be getting stretched out in prison my guy. Lets pray he does

Skibum is an untermensch by the way, same as netanyahu.

@thepuddytat its funny, if you compare religious extremism… or so called anti modern religions..

The modern torah is the most violent, despicable text ever written , lightyears more violent

Compare israel to saudi arabia. Israel wants to wipe out billions of people, saudi arabia pretty much doesnt want to attack anyone- lol.

Of course, as youve stated numerous times, you believe its okay for a jew to kill an arab but not vice versa, so your view on this is totally twisted…

But out here in the real world, outside of clear self defense, murder is murder, thats assuming everyone is equal which i dont even believe because we have untermenschen… but even if we accept the equality argument where all peoples are supposedly equal… you cant make the arguments your making without assigning different values to different religions races etc

Like i said before, everyone has a hierarchy, including you and mogul, obviously, just that not everyone is totally up front about it

Rick is a loser, so she trolls. She is on ignore and always has been.

@rickdugan iran isnt an arab country, thats absolutely insane that you dont even know that, but are calling to bomb and destroy it. Moreover, the list you posted is essentially copy pasted from any mainstream media source. Its dishonest and disingenuous to claim the media lies when it says something bad about trump or repubs, but tells the whole truth on other subjects. Finally, its hypocritical to talk about attacks on jews, the holocaust, stalin mao etc when mainstream republicanism wants to wipe out the entire communist and Islamic world.

@mogul1985 @thepuddytat im not sure if youre aware of this because you appear to live in your own bubble, and you claimed your israeli friend is your source of info etc…

People like you are causing the party to break down and lose. I myself voted for cumela over trump precisely because of guys like you, and im certainly not the only one. White nationalist nick fuentes, with millions of fans, is also advising all his fans to vote democrat… that is a guy who used to be hardcore trump…

As an example, puddytat your claimed issue with netanyahu is not that he wants to kill millions of people but just that your untermensch friend told you hes power hungry.

As an additional example, when guys like skibum609 and mogul1985 post their fantasies online about how they want to wipe out the communist or islamic world (billions of people), more moderate guys like puddy and rickdugan dont even condemn it. Instead, its a normal part of discourse and you still team up with guys like skibum and mogul and act like these are just totally normal, moral people. It would be like being buddies with a serial killer. Its a bad look…

Maybe only 10% of republicans actually call out the bad parts of the party, and a lot of those republicans are just leaving the party entirely. Guys like tucker carlson, candace owens, nick fuentes, dan bilzerian, andrew tate etc call out the bad of the party but its debatable if they even are republican anymore.

Its not normal to befriend people who want to wipe out half the world. Nor is it normal to pretend that its a normal state of mind. Guys like skibum and mogul arent in a normal state of mind. Look at moguls post up above he claims the gulf countries are secretly supporting iran because they support jihad against infidels etc. thats not normal talk

@thepuddytat your priorities are all messed up. You brag about being a supposed legal immigrant, meanwhile you believe its normal and casual talk when someone like skibum or mogul talk about killing Moslems or commies

You also have never condemned a single israeli murderer, no matter the circumstances. Somehow in your world, jews don’t commit any crimes at all, so i guess were on opposite ends of the spectrum there

Your argument regarding Allahu Akbar is nonsensical because no other group, whether Israelis, jews, hindus, blacks, asians, whites, etc, yell anything at all when they kill people.

So your basically attempting to argue that the words people utter before they kill people, make a difference as far as the moral acceptability of their killings which is nonsensical.

@thepuddytat if your talking about world conflicts thats a completely different scenario and something I would need to research more. Hindus Moslems and Christians are the major world religions so it would be expected they are more likely to be involved in any conflicts

Whats not normal though is for a minority like Jews to be involved in so many conflicts

Regardless, i was pointing out the logical fallacy of your Allahu Akbar argument you made earlier. None of the other groups you mentioned have any sort of battle cry when they kill people.

I wonder why your go to insult is tiny dick…? Its really not much of an insult rather just a physical defect. You basically are admitting to your insecurities when you use insults like calling someone fat or short or small dick bald anything like that

@thepuddytat jews are certainly involved in tons of those.. theyre at war with like 7 countries just within the past year… its convenient how yoi left oit the bolsheviks which was jewish vs Christian, conveniently left out jews vs christians in lebanon, palestine, egypt, syria and etc.

Again you just follow a hierarchy but dont want to admit to it. You use indirect means to indicate your beliefs on that hierarchy but you dont come out and honestly admit to it.

You listed out a bunch of cherrypicked conflicts.. lol.. you even left out the most recent one.. jews vs persians..lol

You literally are cherrypicking conflcits based on personal narratives… youll probably have nonsense excuses about how israel is defending itself when it launches attacks on iran or iraq or lebanon or syria or anywhere else…

Lol.. you are again talking about physical traits as insults… firstly at this point this whole site knows about your small dick insecurity… you essentially admit to it everytime you use it as an insult…

I love how your insults revolve around physical defects or accusations of troll tardness etc meanwhile im out here calling you out for being on a sex offender registry and being a complete subhuman that doesnt even believe its wrong to kill or rape people

For all your bragging about your parents immigrating here legally and not illegally, they truly and completely failed on things that really mattered. They essentially raised a violent incel not much different mentally than these crazy lone wolf shooters…

You also write total fanfiction about having a girlfriend and being Ivy League… oh also the fact you even use “cant get laid without paying for it” again tells me you have no experience with women because if you had any sort of experience you would know everyone is paying

Your talking about raping drunk chicks for free… i dont believe in that… moral supremacy remember… you immigrant folk wouldnt get that..

@thepuddytat regarding the conflicts you mention, a lot of those if not all, arent religious based conflicts. And even the ones that are, it certainly isnt about one side trying to convert the other. I mean jews are the most violent group out of any, but they dont even want people converting to judaism.

As far as something like hindus vs Moslems for instance, i dont think its about one side demanding converts, its more just people fighting because of their differences, fighting over which land belongs to who, etc.

But truthfully no society should be multi ethnic or religious. Its a failed concept, even in america which should just be a Christian country. I dont say that because of me but because of guys like you, mogul, and skibum. It doesnt make sense to live amongst people youre foaming at the mouth to kill, so, everyone should stick to living and working amongst their own

@thepuddytat you claim to have apparently fucked chicks without spending a single cent in the process- ergo you admitted to raping drunk chicks

Lol- i didnt claim your garbage ghetto ass admitted to being on a sex offender registry- as with everything else its something that came out when you admitted you believe its fine for republicans to rape little girls and when you celebrated the iranian school girls being shredded up.

No you have it all wrong. Im not saying i know you are what am i. Im saying the fact you gravitate towards small penis as an insult, and the fact you consider it an insult in the first place, is an indicator that its your biggest insecurity of all time- youve been using it for years too.

Moslems have big dicks for the most part, other than the indian and asian ones, lol.

@thepuddytat lmao you retard. Why the hell would i need to “get out”? Its people like you who would need to “get out”. In fact even people like skibum and possibly mogul. Countries should be centered around religion and America should be a Christian country but also a white country. So- you being half latin would have to go.

Im not sure what you working with so called good Muslims has to do with anything and truly what that even means. Its a completely disingenuous “relationship” or even a business connection on your part because by your own admission if a jewish person were to kill them or even rob them of their belongings that would all be fine in your book. So i have no idea why those folkx would be affiliated with you- they probably dont know you want to wipe them out , i guess.

Ah so once again you admit you have no non p4p relationships with women and no experience. Its completely laughable how your go to insults are terms like incel or small penis, but it turns out these are your biggest insecurities- you were obviously the book nerd throughout all your school years and beyond and got picked on for it- and like the typical incel book nerd you had no girlfriends lol

Your completely dishonest and delusional. I’ll spell it out for you since you still arent getting it. In a non p4p scenario you would still be paying for dates, drinks, and even gifts and rent and more.

So like i said, your bragging statement of “cant get sex without paying”, is just hilarious because it actually proves you write fanfiction online about having a girlfriend which is completely sad. Your also on a sex offender list for rape and possibly even child porn considering you celebrate and wank off to middle eastern children being cut into pieces.

Also just to reiterate, when i said this society shouldnt be multi ethnic, its not because of me, its because of guys like you, skibum, and mogul, foaming at the mouths ready to kill your own neighbors for their ethnicities or religious views.

i admit the problem doesnt end with your trio, and is actually a larger scale issue that occurs amongst every religious group, so the proper move is for people to live in societies that have the same culture, religion and people. That means no non whites or non Christians coming to America, but also no whites or Christians going to non white or non Christian countries.

I imagine it cant be mentally healthy being in you, skibum or moguls position where you constantly think about wanting to kill random people, or constantly think about which countries or peoples should be attacked next

@thepuddytat its funny how you think you have me figured out my friend. There are massive segments of the world, of different ethnicities and religions who are anti Israel or anti jewish.

^i wrote two posts prior to your comment. In neither of them did i make any claims of you saying something.

The wins continue. Not surprisingly, the devious fucking animals running Iran continue to play games with the Strait of Hormuz. So we, the mighty and the righteous, are in the process of taking it over. Soon Iran will no longer be able to terrorize innocent civilian ships. Shame on them for ever doing it in the first place.

^ Exactly. This will take time. I know, painful now, in the long run Iran really needed to be crushed. NATO countries and Japan still need to grow a vertebrae or 2. Add an extra 5% Tariff to Japan and the EU countries to help recoup as "Strait of Hormuz Protection Pay", or they can get their oil and LNG from America.

@rickthehick "Countries should be centered around religion and America should be a Christian country but also a white country. "

@ThePuddyTat - WTF is this tard talking about! That's just insanity, or the glass pipe has done damage that is permanent.

@mogul1985 i would say my view is much better to yours, puddys, skibums and others on this matter. Saying that countries should be centered around a racial/religious basis is much, much, much better than going around saying you want to just kill anyone who doesnt think like you or look like you. Its not normal to constantly contemplate which countries around the world should be attacked.

Generally speaking wars should only be started for self defense. Any violence in general should be for defensive purposes.

Its just not normal to have a new years resolution every year where you go “hmm… which group of people should we kill next”

^ Seek therapy

@mogul1985 says the guy who wants to wipe out billions and spends his days contemplating which group of people should be attacked, violated or stolen from. Lol

Probably time to resurrect this thread. Here’s what I posted 2 months ago:

“Iran cannot have a nuke. Trump caved to the stock market, price of oil and the polls. No regime change, no removal of existing enriched uranium, no destruction of their ability to make a nuke or ballistic missiles. Yes, we delayed them, but it’s not enough.”

I’ll stand by my post. Trump is ok with them having ballistic missiles. He’s ok with not taking their nuclear material or destroying their centrifuges. He’s also saying that he had to cut a deal because otherwise we’d have a stock market crash and because gas prices were too high. This is what we get when we have a president who makes decisions on hunches.

Generals gathered in their masses Just like witches at black masses Evil minds that plot destruction Sorcerer of death's construction

In the fields, the bodies burning As the war machine keeps turning Death and hatred to mankind Poisoning their brainwashed minds Oh, Lord, yeah Politicians hide themselves away They only started the war Why should they go out to fight? They leave that role to the poor, yeah

One of my favorite songs. There are some great acoustic versions out there. Here’s one.

@Hank_Moody the deal literally says they will either remove the enriched uranium and destroy it, or destroy it in Iran. Of course this hasnt happened already, but its mentioned in the deal.

Its pretty obvious why the ballistic missile stuff wasnt part of the deal. Numerous instances of israel attacking them. If israel was more peaceful, they probably could have agreed to no missiles too. The initial war was not launched because of the missiles regardless. That is just something people like rubio started claiming after the war started.

Trump and vance recently flat out admitted they thought it would be unfair to ask them not to have missiles since other countries in the region have them. Its just not a realistic request to even have in a deal- chances are anyone asking for no missiles as part of the deal is probably just trying to sabotage the deal entirely.

There likely won’t be a deal, because this conflict is far from done. We will walk away from it because conflict is a way of life in the mid east, and no intervention will take away this life. Anyone remember reading about the 7 Day War? The dynamics of their cultures are way too confusing to the West.

5 days ago I said this...

(Iran has been threatening us for 50 years. Something should have been done about them years ago but nobody did anything. We certainly wounded them but no matter what they say it will be lies, no matter what they agree to they will cheat. They will be buying time as they have in the past. Unfortunately this is far from over unless the iranian citizens rise up and dispose of their leaders but I don't see that happening.)

Like I said it aint over and sad to say unless something hasn't been revealed yet Trump blew it. Iran's leaders are stubborn but we had them on the ropes and there was no way they could win. Now it looks like they won. I could say more but why waste the time to say it?

@440viking my friend according to Trump the current leaders he negotiated with are the third set of Iranian leaders, because the previous 2 sets were already killed off… so how many sets of leaders would you say the iranian people need to rise up and dispose of before the leaders are acceptable? Also how would we even know anything about the other sets of leaders, Meaning how would we know if theyre good or bad, extreme or not, etc. they could just appear good, but be secretly extreme or vice versa.

Iran is controlled by Islamic zealots who 100% believe there are 2 kinds: Infidels and Followers/Believers, and the Infidels need need to be 100% converted or destroyed.

Until the zealots, IRGC, are neutered/removed/sent to their virgins, Iran will be like an annoying pebble in your shoe only killing people over and over and over. The weapons we use are stupid expensive to deal with stupid cheap weapons Iran uses creating a serious economic problem for America. I'm shocked we don't have lower cost defensive alternatives to deal with cheap drones.

911, Americans (and other in the WTC) were murdered, and Americans got behind our response, right or wrong. Until Iran does something devasting in America, Americans will see this as a waste of time. While it seems Iran's nuke progress has stopped for now, there are other options including biological weaponry with "Lone Wolves." Just like in WWII with Japan, Iranian zealots view non-Believers as evil.

This attack had to be done as I do believe had Iran got a useable nuke they'd use it 100%. Previous POTUSs and Congress didn't do what needed to be done, and now it has started.

@mogul1985 that is a very unusual statement to make- you shouldn’t be hoping nor planning nor threatening for “iran to do something devastating”

The IRGC supposedly follows the commands of the supreme leader- regardless i find it interesting how before this war started, the neocons and rinos were saying that it’s the ayatollah and the hardliner mullahs in iran who need to be killed in order to try to fix the country- but now that all those mullahs and the ayatollah are wiped out, the goal posts shift to wiping out the IRGC, which has millions of members

I suspect that if the IRGC were actually fully wiped out, the goal posts would again shift into killing other Iranians- maybe anybody studying engineering or science since you could argue people in those fields could use their expertise for weapons development

But this kind of proves the point with neocons and rinos- the goal was never about nuclear weapons, nor regime change- it was always the complete obliteration of the entire country and all its inhabitants

No war ever ends until one side is totally destroyed. No one was totally destroyed in WW1 so we got WW2, which actually ended. Israel should have turned all of Gaza as an area devoid of people and we needed to invade Iran and kill many many many thousands for the war to end. The Iranian people should have risen up. Now they are fucked and so are we and it is 100% on Donald Trump, the white Barrack Obama.

^Trumps got a leash around netanyahu, he is his lapdog at this point and does whatever trump demands lol

The "Great Rule": Extending commercial relations while having as little "political connection" as possible with foreign nations.

Prioritizing America: Recognizing that Europe had its own conflicts and interests that were essentially separate from the concerns of the United States.

Guarding against influence: Warning citizens to be on guard against the "insidious wiles of foreign influence", which he viewed as one of the greatest threats to a republican government.

If what we are getting is the art of the deal, I got news for you, I want someone else making the deal. Iran is never going to agree to anything, especially from somebody like Trump. They’re used to going without so sanctions aren’t going to bother them, and violence is their way of life so bombing is not effective. Like many things, this wasn’t thoroughly thought out. Back to playing Iran’s game again this week after a so called “Deal”?

^Who cares? Trump should get this stupid war over with and do what he promised- America first, reduce inflation and reduce the deficit. Instead he did the opposite at the beckoning of Isreal and billionaire donors who support Isreal first.

I don’t give a fuck if Iran makes Trump eat shit and he spins it as a win

Only die hard magas don’t see the iran result as the debacle it is. I’m in the war hawk category. I’m fine using our military to put down threats including Iran. They cannot have a nuke. This war was handled poorly. If I tried to count the ways I’d be typing for a while.

Hank_Moody you haven’t studied the situation. Even intelligence officials like gabbard and joe Kent, who dont even like iran, said they were never going for a nuke. The war was never about a nuke. Netanyahu wanted regime change and was able to convince trump that it would be easy to do it in iran just like with Venezuela.

Also its not really die hard magas but also lots of the ex magas like tucker carlson. It could all just be a ploy to get votes from the ex maga folks

If Trump or any “war hawks” (mostly gay old men who don’t have kids or grandkids to worry about dying in some foreign shithole) tried boots on the ground, the people would have hung him by the balls when the casualties rolled in.

If Trump or any “war hawks” (mostly gay old men who don’t have kids or grandkids to worry about dying in some foreign shithole) tried boots on the ground, the people would have hung him by the balls when the casualties rolled in. You can’t spin your way out of dead soldiers and grieving parents and spouses.

We're striking Iran again. Just like every war for the last 60 years (except maybe Iraq and that juice wasn't worth the squeeze), we're going in without the resolve to finish the job. We were never going to take out the Islamic Republic with just air strikes.

Yeah. When the reality is the war doesn’t really matter to the well-being of Americans, they “lack the resolve” to waste their blood and treasure.

^ Exactly. And I meant 80 years, going back to WW2. Perhaps taking out the Islamic Republic isn't worth the ground invasion. Mountainous, 90 million people, 1.5 times the size of Texas.

@studme53 who are the gay old men. Lindsey graham?

^most likely. He definitely likes war and killing

Everyone is missing the point: when the baby boomers are gone so is the United States. Everyone is looking at the war, NYC and failing to understand that a patriotic, baby boomer controlled United States Government, kept the entire world safe. Every day gets worse nd worse as the young take over. We catered to the young, losers and foreigners and this is the result.

^^ somebody has a high opinion of their worth. Oh, now it makes sense. He’s a lawyer.

Bacon!!

Time to troll the maga crew…. How’s the deal going that your great supreme leader made with Iran going? Suck more trump cock to make yourself feel better because this shit will drag out for years with no change except higher inflation.

^ You’re not wrong, and I voted for Trump 3 times.

They cancelled the deal mi friend

If China tries to take Taiwan sometime next year, and they most likely will, taking control of the Strait of Hormuz cuts off their oil supply and cripples them before they get a chance.

You want a war with China? If you do get used to a world wide depression lasting years, mass death and possible nuclear holocast.

Bomb the shit out of them.