Finally dealing with Iran

Ditto.

The Saudis refused to all our military to launch from our bases, so we went via Israel and our Navy to put finally the hurt on.

The UN held an "emergency" meeting for what? Write some angry declarations? The UN totally blew-off Hamas, all the Iranian Proxy Terrorist attacking Israel, and Israel had to "Mow The Lawn" every few years. The UN is just a redistribution of American wealth. Totally useless.

Iran lobs missiles at Saudi, Qatar, ect, and they are PISSED AS HELL! The Saudi Prince needs to pick up the phone, call Trump and ask how they can help with kinetic force.

The UK Prime Minster said he is "glad" in a back-handed way that the USA and Israel are hammering Iran. However the EU will benefit as Iran at some point would have lobbed missiles at Europe, 1 year, 10 years from now, as they can reach. UK has a "problem" with London's Voter base - he is a coward. The EU, and the ME countries that have been attacked, should just send $100B to America and $100B to Israel for cleaning their out their regional gangsters. We need some quid pro quo.

However Iran finally gets neutered and, hopefully, stabilized with a non-800AD Jihadist govt over the next few years they'll need to be on "secret secret probation" as the issue of a Cold Jihad still exists. This will take generations to quiesce if ever.

Very few realize ~850AD, Islam launched a Crusade and took over North Africa and Southern Europe. The First Christian Crusade didn't start until Pope Urban (whatever number) launched a response in ~1100AD to take it back. This has been going on a for over 1,000 years.

If Harris had won, Iran would have nuclear warheads mounted on missiles, would sell oil on the black market to China, and pump more cash to their proxy terrorists. An the UN would just yak away.

Don't get me wrong, no one knows how Iran will settle out. What we know is Trump and Israel won't allow them to have long range missiles, ICBMs and nuclear materials.

Fingers crossed about how this all shakes out. We can dream of Iran becoming a peaceful, modern, secular state in the Middle East in the short term but that's probably too optimistic. We'll see.

Destroying stuff is much simpler than putting something in its place that works. Remember how long it took for the US to get out of Germany and Japan after WWII?

I generally support Trump “Billy” but one of the reasons I voted for him was he is against U.S. military intervention that wasn’t directly in critical U.S. interests. I don’t think attacking a country on the other side of the world and attempting regime change there is enough of a direct US interest to justify military attack.

Good rule of thumb - if it doesn’t justify America boots on the ground, in the hearts of the American people, it’s not really a direct, critical American military objective. I’ll concede it’s critical for Israel, but not the U.S.

^ meant I support Trump “bigly”, not “Billy”. Damn autocorrect.

Rick - are you in favor of the deployment of American troops right now to support this military objective?

I’m not so “holier than thou” to say I’m against war on moral grounds, although I understand people who are. I’m more against war because it is monetarily costly, the outcome is uncertain, and the is no “free lunch” when it comes to killing people in far off lands. There’s always a cost in American lives to be paid.

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===> "Rick - are you in favor of the deployment of American troops right now to support this military objective?"

There are ways to topple regimes without sending in what Iranians would view as foreign invaders. I have no doubt that the CIA and Mossad are on the ground in Iran aiding a resistance with intel and other support.

I also saw your other isolationist opinions in others posts and I get it. But if WW2 taught us anything, it is that we cannot ignore what's happening in the wider world without consequences. Problems that are manageable today can become much more serious tomorrow if we let them fester and grow.

Iran made the world a more dangerous place. The current leadership was never going to stop. Neutering them today may very well keep us from getting sucked into a much larger conflict a few years down the road.

I'm apprehensive about this. A world with Khameini and Ahmadinejad roasting in Hell is better than one without, we wouldn't be here if Obama and Biden hadn't tongue-punched the mullahs' fart boxes for 12 years, and Dems are only making fools of themselves when they say it's a distraction from Epstein (you dumb shits, your boy Clinton just said there was no evidence of Trump in cahoots), but...

1. Are Iranians truly armed and ready to rise up? Are there enough of them with guns? 2. Is what emerges going to be better, or are we going to wind up with Khameini II?
2. "Regime change" in a country thrice the size of Iraq across much more hostile terrain would only be that much harder, no matter if America is involved in it or not.
3. I thought Operation Midnight Hammer blunted their nuclear program, now Rubio is saying they're a week away from a bomb? Which is it?
4. How many Iranian sleeper cells entered America over the Democratic open border of 2021-2025? What's our plan to deal with them?

America First.

I just wish people would tolerate each other around the world.

As long as it upsets the Muslims in the democratic party, who all hate America, then it is worth it to me. We should have been doing this 45 years ago.

The goal of toppling the Iranian regime before they obtained nuclear weapons is solely to prevent the Iranian regime from obtaining nuclear weapons. Diplomacy failed. Half-measures failed. Internal dissent and revolution failed. This is not about intolerance (well, just theirs), polling numbers, or destroying stuff. This is about the preservation of life and international peace. A nuclear armed Iran would have forced SA, Iraq, and every other Sunni islam country to seek nuclear weapons. The Strait of Hormuz, the Suez, Canal, and the entire Red Sea would have been a new Cold War zone leading to new highs in oil prices and global strife. There was really no other option left.

I see gas prices up 30c F this war

A whole 30 cents? Shit, there goes my strip club budget.

Ah, silly Hezbollah. They got the bright idea to launch some ordinance into Northern Israel. That was stupid. Now Israel is pounding them too. They had a cease fire agreement from November 2024 which would have kept them safe if they had just stayed out of it, but they just couldn't help themselves.

Time to finish the job by rounding up all the rabid dogs and putting them all down. Enough is enough. Hezbollah had the chance to remain a functioning political organization within Lebanon, but instead armed back up with hundreds of millions of dollars in Iranian cash, re-activated their fighters and waded back in. Now they all need to die.

Then, when Iran is completely defanged and Hezbollah is destroyed, it's time to finally focus on finding a permanent fix for the Gaza mess. A good start will be digging out and killing everyone associated with Hamas. Easier said than done because these despicable animals are more than willing to use children and sick people as human shields, but it's time.

Then, when Hamas' back is finally broken, real progress can be made. It's time to put this ridiculous refugee camp fiction to bed. If the Palestinians can stop behaving like angry children when choosing their next leaders then maybe a two state solution may even be possible. Otherwise it may be time to move them elsewhere.

Enough is enough.

1983 Barracks bombing. 241 American servicemen and 58 French servicemen killed. It took a while but hey I guess payback is a bitch. Trump just did what Reagan should have done.

Ever get a lapdances from an Iranian stripper before? I have, in Toronto. I almost didn’t believe she was Iranian but then I thought “who would make that shit up?”

Because of the large yearly deficits the federal government is running, we probably will have to eventually reduce military spending and adopt a more noninterventionist foreign policy. That may be a couple decades away so, since I am 70, I may not be around to see it.

I don't get in foreign policy discussions with the girls in the strip clubs except for one time when I asked a stripper from the Ukraine what she thought about the Russian invasion of the Ukraine. I expected her to launch an angry verbal attack on the Russians but she seemed uninterested in the war. She seemed more interested in masssging

I seem to have problems sometimes with comments posting before I am done, like the one I was just posting. It is too bad there is no edit feature on them. As I was saying, my Ukrainian stripper was much more interested in massaging my back than talking about her homeland fighting the Russians. I certainly did not mind that.

I just hope we don't end up with another infamous "Mission Accomplished" moment.

I support Trump and think his domestic policies have been great, but this is by far the biggest unforced error he’s made. This is not “America First” and is not what I voted for.

Lol docsavage you should've left the incomplete post the way it was with the mysterious ending

@shailynn, go to West LA and pick up an Iranian civvy.

I've known some gorgeous Persian babes over the years. Only gotten a dance from one Middle Eastern stripper in New England and she was half-Moroccan.

I don’t know what to believe. Last June Trump, in his own words, said they “obliterated” Irans nuclear program and now he defends this latest attack due to imminent danger. Doesn’t pass the smell test, unless it was Israel who is pulling us into this mess. This will end up being Iraq all over again, except twice as difficult.

@rickdugan this is a war israel is doing because they want to take out not just iran, but the gulf countries as well. Their end goal is to get the US to completely withdraw from the middle east, while israel gets to rule over it. And their goal is also to destroy the gulf countries.

They even had mossad agents arrested in saudi arabia and qatar or another gulf country.

But besides all that, we discussed this in another thread, where i advised you to talk to skibum. This war is being fought because jews dont like moslems and want to exterminate them.

Its also very notable that last year the stated goal was to eliminate irans nuclear program, but the current stated goal is to destroy their ballistic missile program, AND their entire military and navy, lol!

So the goal never was about a nuclear program and not even regime change. It was, and always will be, about israel wanting to completely destroy and exterminate any Islamic countries, and eventually even any Christian country.

Linked below is tucker carlsons video where he essentially debunks all your points made in the OP. Its especially notable how he talks about israel bombing the saudi arabian oil fields in the hopes they think iran did it.

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Also @rickdugan your entire OP is just a copy paste of statements trump or rubio or others have made. It doesnt require any sort of thought or critical thinking to just copy paste stuff trump or rubio said in interviews. You can pull up any mainstream news article or interview and find the same info.

Tucker carlson is one of the most reliable voices out there right now, and what hes described is extremely concerning. This is basically israel trying to completely destroy the gulf countries as well as probably even turkey and pakistan. It certainly isnt just about israels personal issues with iran or their nuclear program or even ballistic missile program, lol

Also @rickdugan should we be attacking every country who dislikes us or dislikes israel?

This war was launched primarily because of verbal statements from iran over the years either chanting death to israel or referring to israel/the us as satan. Should we be attacking every country that hates or dislikes the US/israel, or only some of them depending on their race/religion/how powerful they are etc?

What about erdogan? Hes claimed netanyahu is worse than hitler… referred to israel as a terrorist state and more. Should turkey be booted out of nato and attacked by israel too? Lol.

And qatar? Supposedly some hamas leadership owned apartments or villas in qatar right… so are they fair game to attack?

@rickdugan you said you are very happy and hopeful that irans military capability gets knocked back to the stone ages…

That is essentially an admission you dont actually want the best for the iranian people. A country that has no military or weapons, cannot defend the country from invaders, and cant even secure its own population from themselves.

So you pretty much admit that you want iran annihilated, and their resources, land, etc given to other countries, whoever can get their hands on them.

And im glad you admit to this, but why the pretend morality then… some republicans claimed it is a big deal that iran killed its own protesters… some of them claim iranian should “rise up and take back their country”… lol. You clearly want the country annihilated, and should just admit to that instead of pretending you just want their leadership changed or just want to destroy their nuclear program etc.

I mean obviously, if they have stone age capabilities, they cant do anything to protect themselves, which means their whole country basically becomes up for grabs. And we know israel wants that, but by the looks of things a lot of right wingers also want that.

@ChunkyChicano, you're wromg and by Trump's own words you are wrong. He sad they didn't pull him, he pulled them in. Israel s now frends/allies with many of their neighbors. UAE, Bahrain, Qatar, Jordan, even Egypt. Look and see who Iran retaliated against, it was Bahrain and UAE.

I wish it hadn't come to this. I really do. But Iran continued to make clear that it was never going to stop.

Imagine our surprise when we learned that Hezbollah was already rebuilding itself, including its supply of heavy weapons, despite a ceasefire agreement. How were they doing it? Iran funneled as much as $1 billion to them since the agreement was signed in November of '24.

They also continued to insist on maintaining a nuclear program that went far beyond what was necessary for domestic energy production. They made it clear that they were just biding their time until they really could make Israel a "one bomb nation" as the Ayatollah once said.

Why all of this matters to us is that the Middle East is vital both as a source of world energy and as a corridor to global trade. As much as we might wish to ignore other parts of the world, it is a luxury we cannot afford. Iran's ceaseless aggression would have pulled us into a much larger conflict sooner or later.

Enough is enough. They've made it clear time and again that they were never going to stop. Better to hit them now when they are still weak than when they could rebuild their defenses or, even worse, threaten nuclear war.

We couldn't let Iran continue With their air defenses already degraded some months back

Wow! A room full of guys jerking each other off....all facing towards the right (nobody can catch the spooge if you're all facing the same way)! Some jerking harder and faster, some slow and steady. And then there's one lone guy watching them all, jerking himself....wondering why none of them will give him a "hand."

No big issue from me regarding smashing the Iranian leadership. It makes sense to me. I just find it hilarious that the circle jerks in here gulped all of this down:

"Remember that I predicted a long time ago that President Obama will attack Iran because of his inability to negotiate properly — not skilled," he wrote on Twitter in 2013.

"Now that Obama's poll numbers are in tailspin - watch for him to launch a strike in Libya or Iran. He is desperate," he said in 2012.

"Kamala and her warmonger cabinet will invade the Middle East, get millions of Muslims killed," he said days before the 2024 election.

PS. Anybody know if that Peace prize is still on the table from earlier this year? You know, 8 wars negotiated away and all.

^ Puddy Tat says he's apprehensive about it and you miss an opportunity to comment? The fuck is wrong with you?

Hahahaha! You're back!

@sfrsox so trump can never lie? Lol.

Also whether israel pushed trump or trump pushed israel is irrelevant… look at what rubio and others stated.. some of the claims were that they were worried iran would attack in response to israel attacking first, and thats why they struck iran first

Did you see tucker talking about the saudi aramco field that was on fire?

Iran has attacked far more than just bahrain and UAE. Theyve attacked a bunch of places… israel is not allies with those countries btw. They are still rival countries… tucker addressed all this in his video.. none of those gulf countries are allies of israel

@jaybud999: Situations evolve. Iran was given every chance, but they just would not stop. Now it's time for something different.

Saudi Arabia and Israel are allies now, when t comes to Iran. Do some research, Obese Mexican,

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Saudi Arabia and Israel tolerate each other, dont openly call for each others destruction, but the majority of the Saudi population doesnt like israel, and Saudi has refused to normalize relations with israel unless they agree to create a palestinian state. I dont see how you can say they are allies when saudi openly refuses normalization. Even the abraham accords signatories, i believe dont have to be allies they just have to normalize relations.

Per tucker carlson israel wants to destroy all 6 of the gulf arab countries and has worked for decades to turn them against each other because if they ever were to unite they would be the strongest regional power which israel sees as a threat.

The article below talks about israels next steps. Ira and hezbollah were part of what they call the “radical shiite axis”. Now they want to go after the “radical sunni axis” which includes turkey, pakistan, saudi, qatar and even egypt. Netanyahus meeting with modi was part of preparations for that- he obviously needs india on his side to be able to go after those countries.

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The greatest PR feat that Israel's enemies ever pulled off is to convince stupid and otherwise gullible types that Israel is a warmongering nation.

Israel is the size of New Jersey with only 10 million people, only 8 million of whom are even Jewish. Anyone who thinks that they want conflict with hundreds of millions of Arabs surrounding them on all sides is a fucking moron.

They have been forced to maintain buffer zones around their country because every time they pull back, the violence resumes. Suicide bombers, random rockets shot into civilian areas, random paramilitary assaults on civilian targets - it never stops. Yet all we ever hear about is Israel's responses to these aggressions.

Imagine if New Jersey became its own country and was surrounded by aggressors on all sides. Israel has to make every single man and woman serve 2 years in the military, and then become reservists to be called back when needed, just to be able to defend itself.

Israel has always been desperate for true peace. If Iran and its Axis of Resistance can finally be neutralized, they may actually have a chance at a sustained peace for the first time in the country's history.

Trump has been right about everything so far. Iran would nuke isreal, and the usa in a second. Iran is part of Jimmy Carter's legacy, that and the Panama Canal.

@rickdugan tucker carlson already debunked your points you made there. Furthermore israel is already getting started on their new boogeyman threat they call the radical sunni axis. Theyve already bombed qatar- but want to bomb it again. Theyve already had major issues with turkey- in fact in mid 2025 they were considering attacking turkey before they did iran- but they pussied out of attacking turkey because of its large military snd being a nato member- but make no mistake, trump wants to end nato entirely- which israel is probably pushing him to do as well.

The land mass and population size comparisons you mentioned are utterly irrelevant… thats the entire reason israel is allied with Greece, the USA… and now even india..

Youre correct that israel is too pussy to attack these giant neighboring countries… which is why they have the US involved and are also working on a defense deal with india. Israel cant even take on iran without getting a bunch of help from the US.

So yes in a vaccuum scenario israel would be too afraid to attack neighboring countries, but with the backing of the US they wont be. And the entire reason for this war is precisely so they can get iran to mess up the neighboring gulf countries and take them out- even if iran just destroys their oil fields and tourism that takes away basically all their revenues, so they wont be able to buy proper weaponry or fund a proper military. By attacking iran israel is trying to mess up not just iran but also all 6 gulf countries.

All this war is doing is turning more and more of the world into nazis, and also convincing the whole world that they need to develop nukes otherwise risk being attacked by israel or the US or other larger powers. Look at how careful the US is not to get into war with china or russia and vice versa, and how we left north korea alone.

^Dude U.S. support has limits, especially when the Dems are in charge. It also cuts two ways. Too many times to count we told them to refrain from fighting back when they were attacked in order to maintain regional stability.

And our relationship with Israel certainly didn't stop Arab countries from attacking Israel in the Six Day War ('67) or the War of Attrition ('67-'70), or the Yom Kipper War ('73).

Israel has been desperate for peace, for all the reasons I mentioned. To that end, they've engaged in countless humanitarian activities across the Middle East. They even built Iran's current water system. Yet no matter what they do, some Arabs simply still cannot abide their existence, most notably Iran. So instead Iran needs to be neutered.

That was Yom Kippur War.

Question to you all, not related to the original post per se: Do the Palestinians have the right to their own land/state? If you're going to engage, can we just skip all the talk of rockets/missiles/hostages/hamas/etc. I hear all that. My original question....do they have a right to.....

"Do the Palestinians have the right to their own land/state?"

I'm going to go with no. Because I don't think any particular people have a right to any particular patch of land. Nations exist where either the people who live there care more about the place then whoever might want to take it from them, or they have the means to prevail in conflict against those who would take it from them. That's it.

@rickdugan your giving off vibes of ted cruz when he was talking to tucker carlson

“ Yet no matter what they do, some Arabs simply still cannot abide their existence, most notably Iran. So instead Iran needs to be neutered.”

You’re calling for a war against iran and you believe its an arab country??! Dude…

The vast majority of arabs and Moslems do not like israel/jews and vice versa. That doesn’t mean you can physically attack people or steal property. This all started with israels creation, its expanding borders, and then its desire to attack any country that doesn’t like them. Israel feels threatened by any country that doesn’t like them.

Also did you not see the Tucker video? Israel attacked Saudi arabias oil fields. Im curious how you would justify attacking Saudi aramco oil fields? Some made-up stuff about iranian operatives or some other boogeyman hiding in Aramco oil fields forcing Israel to attack them? Lol

Iran, Hamas, Hezbollah, and the rest of Iran's proxy have 2 goals: 1) erase Israel and all Jews from the face of the Earth; 2) if you are not Islamic, you are an infidel and in the radical Islamic world should die.

Had Iran developed launchable bombs, I have little doubt they'd use them. And, they had a mission to create ICMBs that would reach North/South America. Iran clearly had no intentions of being a good "neighbor" with anyone. The ME countries hated Iran yet did nothing since 1979 when Iran went all 800AD Radical, and Jihadist.

All POSTUSs before Trump just kicked the can down the or try to deal with Iran with cash. The can has hit the wall.

Some of the after-effects from this will be a short-squeeze on China. China gets like 30% of their oil on the cheap from Iran. Trump is slowly painting the CCP into an economic corner. This has a lot more to do on a global basis than just neutering Iran.

Countries that are "supporting" this action need to understand talk is cheap - they need to pony up round $1T between the US and Israel for dealing with Iran.

What happens in 6 months? I think it is clear: no nuclear material, development of long-range missiles will be ended, CCP will pay more for oil and Iran won't get an 800AD radicalized Islamic govt.

Iran was a major partner in BRICS- the eastern organization created to supplant the USD as a global default currency. Iran was probably tied with Russia as the second most influential partner- behind China. Replacing a rogue government dedicated to the destruction of the West and Christendom is one of the most important and long-overdue steps in national security and global stability which every other president since Reagan has been afraid to do.

I hope that the folks in the Departments of War and State have plans to help create a stable, free, lasting, classically liberal government in Iran. To ensure that a new islamist state is not created in the vaccuum of another, America cannot repeat the failures of the Obama administration's three terms by going hands off or running away like they did in Bagram. The only successful instances of rebuilding formerly hostile governments into stable partners were after WW2 in Germany and Japan - which both required boots on the ground. Even in Venezuela, Maduro loyalist militias were reportedly hunting down and killing anyone believed to have assisted or even been in favor of the successful US operation to remove Maduro from power. Maybe the Sunni Arab countries which have normalized relations with Israel can be trusted to form a multi-national peacekeeping coalition and rebuild Iran with a truly moderate government.

"Do the Palestinians have the right to their own land/state?"

From a historical perspective, no. No country has an innate right to predetermined borders or sovereignty. Just look at what's happening in Ukraine now. It's all about what you can defend, either unilaterally or though mutual defense agreements. Hence the existence of NATO, the Rio Treaty, ANZUS, CSTO and several bilateral agreements between the U.S. and other countries.

With that said, Israel has offered to recognize an independent Palestinian state not once but twice already as part of broader peace negotiations. Both times these offers were rejected.

Israel also made several attempts at stepping back and allowing the Palestinians to self-govern without interference, no doubt in the hope of eventual Palestinian autonomy and long-term peace. But each time the Palestinians' governing bodies ended up being hijacked by terrorist organizations (PLO, Hamas) and used to wage violence against Israel.

So now it's a real quandary. After everything that has happened, there is very little appetite in Israel for another offer of a two state solution. The Palestinians have proven time and again that they can't be trusted to self-govern responsibly. Not only because of the violence, but also in how they've squandered truly massive amounts of money that have been poured into that place from Israel and elsewhere on weapons and building tunnels instead of improving the lives of the people.

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me. There is a loud and clear reason why none of the ME countries would allow them in as refugees.

If the world gave Israel a hundred billion dollars, it would build a state-of-the-art scientific and entrepreneurship ecosystem, and better defense-minded technologies like Iron Dome. It's the most entrepreneurial country in the world, per capita.

If the world gave the Palestinians a hundred billion dollars, they would rebuild their network of terror tunnels, manufacture drones to assault Israel, and spread Jew-hating propaganda worldwide. They might even try to buy a nuke to smuggle into Tel Aviv.

Israel isn't perfect, and after this Iran attack I'm really wondering if Bibi has unflattering nudes of Trump, but the Palestinians have one of the most backward, fucked-up, evil cultures in the world. Like Mogul said, there's a reason no one in the region wants them. They prefer dead Jews to prosperous Palestinians. Until that changes, they are not fit to have a state.

Now Iran is lashing out wildly at other countries it perceives to be allied with the U.S. Yet even more of a reason why those nasty dogs need to be neutered for good.

@mogul1985 you mean like France, Germany, England, Spain, or Sweden (just to name the most significantly negatively impacted western Europe countries).

@ThePuddyTat "They prefer dead Jews to prosperous Palestinians. Until that changes, they are not fit to have a state." You left off they want dead Muslims who will not follow radical interpretation of the Quorn. And if you are LGBT* of anytime, it won't end well for you either.

Nothing like taking The Way Back Machine to live in 800AD. Sticks and Stones WILL BREAK YOUR BONES.

@gammanu95 "you mean like France, Germany, England, Spain, or Sweden" ya betcha!

Iran was developing ballistic missiles that will reach Europe/UK. The EU needs to get a clue and throw cash our way to help pay for this clean-up that has been needed for over 30+ years - I remember 1979 and the failed rescue by Carter/Perot that was a total screw the pooch mess. Yeah, helicopters not equipped for sandstorms - novel, eh?

What Trump starts, he finishes. What will it look like in a year? No one knows however we do know their military abilities will be as a strong as Bora Bora's. I'm still aware of the Islamic goal for world domination that has been a driver since 800AD. While we won't do another Iraq, we won't allow an 800AD radical Islamic regime to take power in Iraq. This is also not like Afghanistan that actually still lives in 800AD.

Humans are the most messy group of biological entities on Earth.

I'm drunk at the moment. How did Bora Bora get into this?

Although what Mogul responded was true, my reference was actually to the concept of allowing them in as refugees, replacing the free and independent citizens of true western European descent, and creating a servant class that will vote perpetual power to the elites.

At least, the elites believe it will be perpetual. Anyone with critical thinking knows that the inevitable end will be Islamic revolution and destruction of Christendom if they are allowed to reach critical mass.

This fucking war, like most, is a disaster for all involved. It’s Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq - take your pick.

^ It's been a week dude. Maybe let's dial down the dramatics a bit.

^ lol. Yeah it’ll will all be over in 6 weeks. Same wishful delusion every war.

"Anyone with critical thinking knows that the inevitable end will be Islamic revolution and destruction of Christendom if they are allowed to reach critical mass."

That seems to be a problem whenever Muslims gain a critical mass. When there are just a few, they're upstanding citizens who work normal jobs and pray towards Mecca 5 times a day. When there are enough, they start blockading streets to pray, which ironically would get them arrested in the Islamic world. Even more, and they start to demand they be allowed to live by old country values, weaponizing the fear of being called racist. And end-stage, they start demanding everyone live by old country values. The Taliban just gave guidance on how to beat your wife.

France and Germany are in #3, UK is almost to #4. The UK might be the first nuclear Islamist country.

Oh puddy.....to live in fear like this. What is that like? Stockpiling pudding cups in your end of bible thumping bunker? The hordes are coming puddy! First it's a mosque, next its the crusades! Noooooooooo! Just get back to fapping.

^ Yet you can't factually dispute anything I said. I win! You were moderately intelligent for a post and a half. Maybe you can make it a whole two posts next time.

Oh snap! You fucked me up with straight facts that cannot be disputed! The crusades part dos has already started? How about my use of “dos?” Part of the invasion of Mexicans infiltrating YOUR version of society?

^ When your IQ reaches 50, sell.

We just received a fantastic update from President Trump. Iran's ability to fight is on its last legs, as follows:

• It's navy is pretty much wiped out;
• Their air force is also gone now;
• It's air defense systems have been demolished;
• They have no more radars;
• Their remaining missiles are destroyed;
• Their drone capabilities have been substantially diminished and are expected to be completely wiped out soon; and
• We are targeting the factories that build all these things to keep them from re-arming.

Not quite Mission Accomplished yet, but clearly the worst of the fighting is over. It didn't help these stupid animals that, after they made the grave mistake of attacking neighboring countries, those countries got pissed enough to actually join us in the attacks.

Good stuff. Now oil prices are coming back down and Trump is doing everything he can to get the Strait of Hormuz back open.

@rickdugan but what comes next? Are you naive enough to say that everyone in america and everyone in israel or even everyone in the rest of the world is so honest and so moral that they wouldn’t be tempted to steal resources from a place that has no military or navy protecting it..?

This war from the start, was about resource allocation. Jews are greedy, and they like stealing stuff.

All the nonsense about nukes, ballistic missiles, regime change and so on is just fluff and nonsense. The real goal all along was to completely dismantle irans entire military and navy and weaponry, not because they were an unrestrained animal mindlessly shooting at people but because those are the things used to protect a land mass or a nation.

A nation with no military or navy is no longer a nation, but rather just an open land mass with resources for the taking.

It’s completely naive to pretend that nobody in the world would be tempted to go in and steal resources from a place that has no military or navy or weapons. Logic dictates such a place would be an obvious choice for easily acquirable resources.

So, obviously, any country that can, will be trying to get their hands on irans oil and other resources, once their military and navy is completely wiped out.

This war was never about nukes, not even ballistic missiles and not even regime change. It was as you yourself described, the complete destruction of all their weapons systems and military and navy.

But what i find odd is all the republicans claiming they wanted to help out random civilian protesters in iran. Thats an obviously dishonest statement. You cant simultaneously claim you wish well for people but then also claim you want their entire military and weapons systems completely wiped out.

And im not even saying israel is the only country in the world who would attempt stealing irans resources- theyre just the obvious choice because theyre the greediest of all peoples.

Just think about it logically… why do people avoid messing with the US… or why do Russia and the US take steps to avoid starting a war with each other… its because of these countries weapons arsenals and military might that other countries avoid messing with them

A country that has no military at all, obviously, is now a place that has resources up for grabs.

Also check out guys like skibum- celebrating the deaths of those 162+ school girls. Thats 75%+ of the republican party

@rickthehick: They brought it on themselves. Better they be defenseless than continue what they were doing. That rabid fundamentalist regime made it clear that they were never going to stop.

When they claimed that they needed to rebuild their nuclear enrichment facilities for their domestic energy program, we countered by offering them all the nuclear fuel they could ever need for domestic power plants. Did they thank us profusely and immediately start planning ways that they could strengthen their energy grid for the good of their people? Of course not. Instead they rejected the offer and stood firm.

We also found missiles systems pointed at several of their Arab neighbors. Which makes sense since they've been waging proxy campaigns against them for years with no end in sight. These countries wanted to modernize and put old enmities behind, most notably with Israel. Iran had no intention of letting them do that peacefully.

Enough is enough.

But with all of that said, I don't see the U.S. or many of its Arab neighbors standing by while anyone simply plunders the country. Not that there's much there to take anyway since Iran kept its population largely destitute and instead used its oil riches to fund endless aggression in the Middle East through its proxies.

Another possible [probable] motive for destroying Iran's ability to export violence and regional chaos would be that it is the next step in Trump's China strategy. China worked very hard to groom Venezuela as an oil source, which Trump has severed. China worked very hard to take de facto control of the Panama Canal, which Trump has taken away. China and Iran have a longstanding and ever deepening economic and military interpendence, which a change in Iranian government would further isolate and weaken China. You've got to look at the whole board. China could not wage war against Taiwan, the AUKUS, the Quad Alliance and others if all their oil comes only from Russia.

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@rickdugan do you agree with gabbard that its not the intelligence communitys job to determine what is and isnt an imminent threat- only the president can say so?

Do you agree with hegseth and trumps comments that it isnt a war in iran, just a military operation?

What are your thoughts on joe kent resigning?

Stupid stupid war

This is rapidly becoming a giant goatfuck. Now Natgas processing facilities are getting destroyed.

Terrible for our economy

Stupid stupid President

Stupid stupid people who voted him in

@Mate27, 100% agreed

I voted for Trump 3 times and like his domestic policy like deporting every illegal immigrant here, like every other 1st world country. If you don’t agree with you’re either an idiot, hate the United States, or you have some other alterior motive like voter replacement to keep some shitty democrats in office. That said, this war is a huge mistake with terrible effects.

They were developing nukes as fast as they could in order to use them on us and isreal. If they use them on isreal, isreal will hit them back hard. This had to be done, for our survival.

I voted for Trump once, in 2024 (also the first time I ever donated to anyone's campaign after I saw the lengths Dems went to to try and silence him) and would have even if I knew this would happen.

Harris' unearned capital gains tax would have 100% tanked the stock market--it's a literal mandate to sell stocks--and her wealth tax would have sent wealth out of this country so fast it would leave a trail of flames. We'd also have 10 million more illegals and all our enforcement dollars going towards expediting their entry, and whatever safeguards against illegals voting ruled illegal. Obama and Biden also sucked the mullahs' nutsacks, so I don't think we'd be any better off there.

@studme53 - I agree with you, except that other 1st world countries in Europe are not just letting illegals in but kowtowing to them. The UK might be the first Islamist country with nukes.

^^ agree. The only thing stupider than Trump being voted in was having the Dems choice of Harris running for POTUS. When are we going to get somebody with virtue and integrity lead our country again? Problem is anyone with decency and common sense will stay away from the shit storm that comes with the job.

Israel seems to be fighting a war to destroy Iran, as opposed to prevent Iran from gaining a nuclear weapon and toppling a dictatorship which is dedicated the destabilization of the global order, destruction of the west, and vengeful crushing of internal dissent. (Wow, that describes both the Iranian leadership, European and Canadian leadership, and the democrat party in America.) It was Israel, not the US, that has been attacking Iran's natural resources as opposed to military-political infrastructure. Even the neocon-in-chief, Lindsey Graham, posted that Israel needed to restrain their attacks.

Still, Europe's hypocrisy is on full display. Just as they continued purchasing Russian oil, funding Putin's war machine, while begging the US to take the lead in supporting Ukraine; the US has asked them to assist in keeping the Strait of Hormuz open for internation shipping - including European goods and fuel transports- and they have declined. Fuck Europe, fuck the UN, and fuck NATO. It makes no sense for America to continue to shoulder the lion's share of the burden of defending Europe from a Warsaw Pact threat which no longer exists, while our "partners" refuse to honor their contractual treaty obligations or assist us when we ask them for aid. The UN is little more than a puppet organization for communist and islamist special interest groups. The US is their second favorite target after Israel, and the US receives absolutely no benefit from being a member or housing them in prime Manhattan real estate. Europe and Canada have surrendered their precious heritage in the global expansion of Western Civilization, caving entirely the self-loathing liberal belief that White is bad and White people must surrender their entire cultural touchstones, governments, and welfare programs to the whims of illegal aliens and crybaby indians (feather-not-dot). I cannot honestly call them indigenous or native peoples when they themselves are known to have crossed from Africa, through Asia, across a Bering land bridge, and southward across the Americas, warring and displacing each other constantly. It's the same as a great line from a great movie, Kingdom of Heaven: "Who has a better claim? All have claim! None have claim!"

It seems as though more of Trump 45 was spend fixing eight years of Obama mismanagement, which he successfully did; but most of his victories were policies which fixed that mess as opposed to starting new things to build towards a better American future. Even a long four years of Obama's third term with demented Brandon - has resulted in even more damage to the US and world order which Trump 47 has to not fix before he can begin building new programs for the following generations to undertand and enjoy the greatness and prosperity which earlier generations had. That is what is happening in Iran. Ever since Carter betrayed the Shah and let islamists get away with their bloody revolution and take Americans hostage, American presidents have either done too little to impede Iran or openly aided and abetted them (what else do you call Obama's $1.7B cash gift to Iran?). It is all a failure of democrat and liberal leadership which this president finally decided to address. It's kind of a "now or never" deal. The only sure outcome was that doing nothing would be worse.

@thepuddytat im the opposite my friend, voted trump 2020 and cumela in 2024. It was getting too obvious that trump was being a total suckup to israel, even more so than cumela or biden- first thing trump did after being back in office was release the 2000 pound bombs or whatever to israel.

Plus we need those illegals for the cheap labor rates. Im not saying they should automatically get citizenship or be given welfare of any kind- but we need cheap labor and we need to get rid of the minimum wage laws also. They should even allow slave labor as long as the slaves are purchased overseas- its not americas job to police the entire world and ban slavery everywhere.

Trump should have also revised his tariffs to where American companies shouldnt have to pay any tariffs even if they are based on foreign soil. Apple, nike, whoever else with factories in foreign countries should have been allowed to continue bringing goods into America tariff free.

The other thing is the BLM and protester nonsense seemed to be cutting down in 2024 compared to 2020, so it seemed to me that a dem president winning wouldnt have set off blm/antifa the way they were in 2020.

Also regarding iran its obvious they are just prideful and Obamas deal even though it had faults, was still reining in their nuclear program. They enriched to 60% in response to trump pulling out of the deal.

Also the war with iran basically started when soleimani was killed. Killing a military general of another country is basically akin to declaring war.

@theone&only i just looked into that 1.7B thing, that wasnt a cash gift at all- it was monies paid for american military equipment that was never sent to iran- by that logic trump is giving a cash gift to iran if he unsanctions their oil

@thepuddytat what about turkey, Pakistan, Saudi arabia? Does turkey have access to the nato nukes stored there?

^ #1 I said Islamist, not Muslim.

#2 Troll, tard, or both?

@thepuddytat you missed my earlier comment my friend. Also many people consider saudi to be islamist- dont they require all women to cover up there no matter your religion

Elizabeth I : “We don’t pursue war. Wars are expensive. They drain our treasury and their outcomes are uncertain.”

Getting into this war was a mistake. The tactical operations have been a huge success. Our military might is unquestionably the best. Opposite the tactical success it’s been a strategic failure both internationally and domestically. It was stupid to alienate us from our allies and to not rally support at home.

We can’t change that. We’re in it now and need to do the job. Not sure you can ever “finish” an ideology as strong and long lasting as religious fanaticism but we need to get Iran’s nuclear material. This almost certainly involves sending in troops and taking losses. Don’t know if we have the stomach for that. If we don’t commit to taking their material, we’re just making a problem for ourselves down the road. We’ll be launching operations in Iran regularly to cut the lawn every time it grows back.

@HankMoody they should just nuke iran or even launch a bunch of nukes to try to take out as much of the population as they can as well as wipe out the nuclear material. It will satisfy the (mainstream) republican bloodlust, the israeli/jewish bloodlust, plus get rid of the nuclear material and establish deterrence. Plus there wont be any human casualties or moneys spent on interceptors or missiles or bullets.

Anyway, besides all that, its completely naive to believe this war has anything to do with the nuclear material. Even Trump himself, a week ago, said theyre not concerned with the nuclear material right now.

^ The fact is we'd likely have a bigger problem down the road if we didn't do anything. The longer we kicked the can down te road the worse the possibilities would be. Iran has preached our death and destruction for nearly 5 decades.

Having said that I'm still 50/50 on this whole thing, I'm not happy about it but they didn't ask my opinion so I hope they quickly just finish the job. I do agree that it's also a chess move that could impede china in the future and we'll need all the chips we can muster to keep them in line.

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Iraq war all over again. Same basic justification and promoters. But this war is already producing much worse outcomes for the U.S.

Really disappointing part is Trump campaigned against this and I believed him.

At least it will help lower the unemployment rate both domestically and internationally when they do all the rebuilding, plus weapons companies are getting more business too

^ Or how about we spend American taxpayer money on rebuilding American infrastructure. Would that help the American unemployment rate while also improving American infrastructure? Just a fucking thought. WTF really frustrating.

^^ yeah the fact that that fat fucking orange man in the White House doesn’t care about anyone except himself is the most frustrating part. Someone may end up successfully opting him out of this life, although I’m not encouraging it, if it happens he has brought it on with spreading so much vitriol. He’s more divisive than Obama was.

Here’s a basic principle of history the dummies who started this war never learned; Once you start a war it’s very hard, nearly impossible, to stop. That’s another reason to avoid it.

@studme53 im curious about the folks who claim Obummer gave a 1.7B so called cash gift to Iran- if they will remain consistent and admit Trump also gave them a cash gift