Finally dealing with Iran

Ditto.

The Saudis refused to all our military to launch from our bases, so we went via Israel and our Navy to put finally the hurt on.

The UN held an "emergency" meeting for what? Write some angry declarations? The UN totally blew-off Hamas, all the Iranian Proxy Terrorist attacking Israel, and Israel had to "Mow The Lawn" every few years. The UN is just a redistribution of American wealth. Totally useless.

Iran lobs missiles at Saudi, Qatar, ect, and they are PISSED AS HELL! The Saudi Prince needs to pick up the phone, call Trump and ask how they can help with kinetic force.

The UK Prime Minster said he is "glad" in a back-handed way that the USA and Israel are hammering Iran. However the EU will benefit as Iran at some point would have lobbed missiles at Europe, 1 year, 10 years from now, as they can reach. UK has a "problem" with London's Voter base - he is a coward. The EU, and the ME countries that have been attacked, should just send $100B to America and $100B to Israel for cleaning their out their regional gangsters. We need some quid pro quo.

However Iran finally gets neutered and, hopefully, stabilized with a non-800AD Jihadist govt over the next few years they'll need to be on "secret secret probation" as the issue of a Cold Jihad still exists. This will take generations to quiesce if ever.

Very few realize ~850AD, Islam launched a Crusade and took over North Africa and Southern Europe. The First Christian Crusade didn't start until Pope Urban (whatever number) launched a response in ~1100AD to take it back. This has been going on a for over 1,000 years.

If Harris had won, Iran would have nuclear warheads mounted on missiles, would sell oil on the black market to China, and pump more cash to their proxy terrorists. An the UN would just yak away.

Don't get me wrong, no one knows how Iran will settle out. What we know is Trump and Israel won't allow them to have long range missiles, ICBMs and nuclear materials.

Fingers crossed about how this all shakes out. We can dream of Iran becoming a peaceful, modern, secular state in the Middle East in the short term but that's probably too optimistic. We'll see.

Destroying stuff is much simpler than putting something in its place that works. Remember how long it took for the US to get out of Germany and Japan after WWII?

I generally support Trump “Billy” but one of the reasons I voted for him was he is against U.S. military intervention that wasn’t directly in critical U.S. interests. I don’t think attacking a country on the other side of the world and attempting regime change there is enough of a direct US interest to justify military attack.

Good rule of thumb - if it doesn’t justify America boots on the ground, in the hearts of the American people, it’s not really a direct, critical American military objective. I’ll concede it’s critical for Israel, but not the U.S.

^ meant I support Trump “bigly”, not “Billy”. Damn autocorrect.

Rick - are you in favor of the deployment of American troops right now to support this military objective?

I’m not so “holier than thou” to say I’m against war on moral grounds, although I understand people who are. I’m more against war because it is monetarily costly, the outcome is uncertain, and the is no “free lunch” when it comes to killing people in far off lands. There’s always a cost in American lives to be paid.

===> "Rick - are you in favor of the deployment of American troops right now to support this military objective?"

There are ways to topple regimes without sending in what Iranians would view as foreign invaders. I have no doubt that the CIA and Mossad are on the ground in Iran aiding a resistance with intel and other support.

I also saw your other isolationist opinions in others posts and I get it. But if WW2 taught us anything, it is that we cannot ignore what's happening in the wider world without consequences. Problems that are manageable today can become much more serious tomorrow if we let them fester and grow.

Iran made the world a more dangerous place. The current leadership was never going to stop. Neutering them today may very well keep us from getting sucked into a much larger conflict a few years down the road.

I just wish people would tolerate each other around the world.

As long as it upsets the Muslims in the democratic party, who all hate America, then it is worth it to me. We should have been doing this 45 years ago.

The goal of toppling the Iranian regime before they obtained nuclear weapons is solely to prevent the Iranian regime from obtaining nuclear weapons. Diplomacy failed. Half-measures failed. Internal dissent and revolution failed. This is not about intolerance (well, just theirs), polling numbers, or destroying stuff. This is about the preservation of life and international peace. A nuclear armed Iran would have forced SA, Iraq, and every other Sunni islam country to seek nuclear weapons. The Strait of Hormuz, the Suez, Canal, and the entire Red Sea would have been a new Cold War zone leading to new highs in oil prices and global strife. There was really no other option left.

I see gas prices up 30c F this war

A whole 30 cents? Shit, there goes my strip club budget.

Ah, silly Hezbollah. They got the bright idea to launch some ordinance into Northern Israel. That was stupid. Now Israel is pounding them too. They had a cease fire agreement from November 2024 which would have kept them safe if they had just stayed out of it, but they just couldn't help themselves.

Time to finish the job by rounding up all the rabid dogs and putting them all down. Enough is enough. Hezbollah had the chance to remain a functioning political organization within Lebanon, but instead armed back up with hundreds of millions of dollars in Iranian cash, re-activated their fighters and waded back in. Now they all need to die.

Then, when Iran is completely defanged and Hezbollah is destroyed, it's time to finally focus on finding a permanent fix for the Gaza mess. A good start will be digging out and killing everyone associated with Hamas. Easier said than done because these despicable animals are more than willing to use children and sick people as human shields, but it's time.

Then, when Hamas' back is finally broken, real progress can be made. It's time to put this ridiculous refugee camp fiction to bed. If the Palestinians can stop behaving like angry children when choosing their next leaders then maybe a two state solution may even be possible. Otherwise it may be time to move them elsewhere.

Enough is enough.

1983 Barracks bombing. 241 American servicemen and 58 French servicemen killed. It took a while but hey I guess payback is a bitch. Trump just did what Reagan should have done.

Ever get a lapdances from an Iranian stripper before? I have, in Toronto. I almost didn’t believe she was Iranian but then I thought “who would make that shit up?”

Because of the large yearly deficits the federal government is running, we probably will have to eventually reduce military spending and adopt a more noninterventionist foreign policy. That may be a couple decades away so, since I am 70, I may not be around to see it.

I don't get in foreign policy discussions with the girls in the strip clubs except for one time when I asked a stripper from the Ukraine what she thought about the Russian invasion of the Ukraine. I expected her to launch an angry verbal attack on the Russians but she seemed uninterested in the war. She seemed more interested in masssging

I seem to have problems sometimes with comments posting before I am done, like the one I was just posting. It is too bad there is no edit feature on them. As I was saying, my Ukrainian stripper was much more interested in massaging my back than talking about her homeland fighting the Russians. I certainly did not mind that.

I just hope we don't end up with another infamous "Mission Accomplished" moment.

I support Trump and think his domestic policies have been great, but this is by far the biggest unforced error he’s made. This is not “America First” and is not what I voted for.

Lol docsavage you should've left the incomplete post the way it was with the mysterious ending

@shailynn, go to West LA and pick up an Iranian civvy.

I don’t know what to believe. Last June Trump, in his own words, said they “obliterated” Irans nuclear program and now he defends this latest attack due to imminent danger. Doesn’t pass the smell test, unless it was Israel who is pulling us into this mess. This will end up being Iraq all over again, except twice as difficult.

@ChunkyChicano, you're wromg and by Trump's own words you are wrong. He sad they didn't pull him, he pulled them in. Israel s now frends/allies with many of their neighbors. UAE, Bahrain, Qatar, Jordan, even Egypt. Look and see who Iran retaliated against, it was Bahrain and UAE.

I wish it hadn't come to this. I really do. But Iran continued to make clear that it was never going to stop.

Imagine our surprise when we learned that Hezbollah was already rebuilding itself, including its supply of heavy weapons, despite a ceasefire agreement. How were they doing it? Iran funneled as much as $1 billion to them since the agreement was signed in November of '24.

They also continued to insist on maintaining a nuclear program that went far beyond what was necessary for domestic energy production. They made it clear that they were just biding their time until they really could make Israel a "one bomb nation" as the Ayatollah once said.

Why all of this matters to us is that the Middle East is vital both as a source of world energy and as a corridor to global trade. As much as we might wish to ignore other parts of the world, it is a luxury we cannot afford. Iran's ceaseless aggression would have pulled us into a much larger conflict sooner or later.

Enough is enough. They've made it clear time and again that they were never going to stop. Better to hit them now when they are still weak than when they could rebuild their defenses or, even worse, threaten nuclear war.

We couldn't let Iran continue With their air defenses already degraded some months back

Wow! A room full of guys jerking each other off....all facing towards the right (nobody can catch the spooge if you're all facing the same way)! Some jerking harder and faster, some slow and steady. And then there's one lone guy watching them all, jerking himself....wondering why none of them will give him a "hand."

No big issue from me regarding smashing the Iranian leadership. It makes sense to me. I just find it hilarious that the circle jerks in here gulped all of this down:

"Remember that I predicted a long time ago that President Obama will attack Iran because of his inability to negotiate properly — not skilled," he wrote on Twitter in 2013.

"Now that Obama's poll numbers are in tailspin - watch for him to launch a strike in Libya or Iran. He is desperate," he said in 2012.

"Kamala and her warmonger cabinet will invade the Middle East, get millions of Muslims killed," he said days before the 2024 election.

PS. Anybody know if that Peace prize is still on the table from earlier this year? You know, 8 wars negotiated away and all.

Hahahaha! You're back!

@jaybud999: Situations evolve. Iran was given every chance, but they just would not stop. Now it's time for something different.

Saudi Arabia and Israel are allies now, when t comes to Iran. Do some research, Obese Mexican,

The greatest PR feat that Israel's enemies ever pulled off is to convince stupid and otherwise gullible types that Israel is a warmongering nation.

Israel is the size of New Jersey with only 10 million people, only 8 million of whom are even Jewish. Anyone who thinks that they want conflict with hundreds of millions of Arabs surrounding them on all sides is a fucking moron.

They have been forced to maintain buffer zones around their country because every time they pull back, the violence resumes. Suicide bombers, random rockets shot into civilian areas, random paramilitary assaults on civilian targets - it never stops. Yet all we ever hear about is Israel's responses to these aggressions.

Imagine if New Jersey became its own country and was surrounded by aggressors on all sides. Israel has to make every single man and woman serve 2 years in the military, and then become reservists to be called back when needed, just to be able to defend itself.

Israel has always been desperate for true peace. If Iran and its Axis of Resistance can finally be neutralized, they may actually have a chance at a sustained peace for the first time in the country's history.

Trump has been right about everything so far. Iran would nuke isreal, and the usa in a second. Iran is part of Jimmy Carter's legacy, that and the Panama Canal.

^Dude U.S. support has limits, especially when the Dems are in charge. It also cuts two ways. Too many times to count we told them to refrain from fighting back when they were attacked in order to maintain regional stability.

And our relationship with Israel certainly didn't stop Arab countries from attacking Israel in the Six Day War ('67) or the War of Attrition ('67-'70), or the Yom Kipper War ('73).

Israel has been desperate for peace, for all the reasons I mentioned. To that end, they've engaged in countless humanitarian activities across the Middle East. They even built Iran's current water system. Yet no matter what they do, some Arabs simply still cannot abide their existence, most notably Iran. So instead Iran needs to be neutered.

That was Yom Kippur War.

Question to you all, not related to the original post per se: Do the Palestinians have the right to their own land/state? If you're going to engage, can we just skip all the talk of rockets/missiles/hostages/hamas/etc. I hear all that. My original question....do they have a right to.....

"Do the Palestinians have the right to their own land/state?"

I'm going to go with no. Because I don't think any particular people have a right to any particular patch of land. Nations exist where either the people who live there care more about the place then whoever might want to take it from them, or they have the means to prevail in conflict against those who would take it from them. That's it.

Iran, Hamas, Hezbollah, and the rest of Iran's proxy have 2 goals: 1) erase Israel and all Jews from the face of the Earth; 2) if you are not Islamic, you are an infidel and in the radical Islamic world should die.

Had Iran developed launchable bombs, I have little doubt they'd use them. And, they had a mission to create ICMBs that would reach North/South America. Iran clearly had no intentions of being a good "neighbor" with anyone. The ME countries hated Iran yet did nothing since 1979 when Iran went all 800AD Radical, and Jihadist.

All POSTUSs before Trump just kicked the can down the or try to deal with Iran with cash. The can has hit the wall.

Some of the after-effects from this will be a short-squeeze on China. China gets like 30% of their oil on the cheap from Iran. Trump is slowly painting the CCP into an economic corner. This has a lot more to do on a global basis than just neutering Iran.

Countries that are "supporting" this action need to understand talk is cheap - they need to pony up round $1T between the US and Israel for dealing with Iran.

What happens in 6 months? I think it is clear: no nuclear material, development of long-range missiles will be ended, CCP will pay more for oil and Iran won't get an 800AD radicalized Islamic govt.

Iran was a major partner in BRICS- the eastern organization created to supplant the USD as a global default currency. Iran was probably tied with Russia as the second most influential partner- behind China. Replacing a rogue government dedicated to the destruction of the West and Christendom is one of the most important and long-overdue steps in national security and global stability which every other president since Reagan has been afraid to do.

I hope that the folks in the Departments of War and State have plans to help create a stable, free, lasting, classically liberal government in Iran. To ensure that a new islamist state is not created in the vaccuum of another, America cannot repeat the failures of the Obama administration's three terms by going hands off or running away like they did in Bagram. The only successful instances of rebuilding formerly hostile governments into stable partners were after WW2 in Germany and Japan - which both required boots on the ground. Even in Venezuela, Maduro loyalist militias were reportedly hunting down and killing anyone believed to have assisted or even been in favor of the successful US operation to remove Maduro from power. Maybe the Sunni Arab countries which have normalized relations with Israel can be trusted to form a multi-national peacekeeping coalition and rebuild Iran with a truly moderate government.

"Do the Palestinians have the right to their own land/state?"

From a historical perspective, no. No country has an innate right to predetermined borders or sovereignty. Just look at what's happening in Ukraine now. It's all about what you can defend, either unilaterally or though mutual defense agreements. Hence the existence of NATO, the Rio Treaty, ANZUS, CSTO and several bilateral agreements between the U.S. and other countries.

With that said, Israel has offered to recognize an independent Palestinian state not once but twice already as part of broader peace negotiations. Both times these offers were rejected.

Israel also made several attempts at stepping back and allowing the Palestinians to self-govern without interference, no doubt in the hope of eventual Palestinian autonomy and long-term peace. But each time the Palestinians' governing bodies ended up being hijacked by terrorist organizations (PLO, Hamas) and used to wage violence against Israel.

So now it's a real quandary. After everything that has happened, there is very little appetite in Israel for another offer of a two state solution. The Palestinians have proven time and again that they can't be trusted to self-govern responsibly. Not only because of the violence, but also in how they've squandered truly massive amounts of money that have been poured into that place from Israel and elsewhere on weapons and building tunnels instead of improving the lives of the people.

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me. There is a loud and clear reason why none of the ME countries would allow them in as refugees.

Now Iran is lashing out wildly at other countries it perceives to be allied with the U.S. Yet even more of a reason why those nasty dogs need to be neutered for good.

@mogul1985 you mean like France, Germany, England, Spain, or Sweden (just to name the most significantly negatively impacted western Europe countries).

@ThePuddyTat "They prefer dead Jews to prosperous Palestinians. Until that changes, they are not fit to have a state." You left off they want dead Muslims who will not follow radical interpretation of the Quorn. And if you are LGBT* of anytime, it won't end well for you either.

Nothing like taking The Way Back Machine to live in 800AD. Sticks and Stones WILL BREAK YOUR BONES.

@gammanu95 "you mean like France, Germany, England, Spain, or Sweden" ya betcha!

Iran was developing ballistic missiles that will reach Europe/UK. The EU needs to get a clue and throw cash our way to help pay for this clean-up that has been needed for over 30+ years - I remember 1979 and the failed rescue by Carter/Perot that was a total screw the pooch mess. Yeah, helicopters not equipped for sandstorms - novel, eh?

What Trump starts, he finishes. What will it look like in a year? No one knows however we do know their military abilities will be as a strong as Bora Bora's. I'm still aware of the Islamic goal for world domination that has been a driver since 800AD. While we won't do another Iraq, we won't allow an 800AD radical Islamic regime to take power in Iraq. This is also not like Afghanistan that actually still lives in 800AD.

Humans are the most messy group of biological entities on Earth.

I'm drunk at the moment. How did Bora Bora get into this?

Although what Mogul responded was true, my reference was actually to the concept of allowing them in as refugees, replacing the free and independent citizens of true western European descent, and creating a servant class that will vote perpetual power to the elites.

At least, the elites believe it will be perpetual. Anyone with critical thinking knows that the inevitable end will be Islamic revolution and destruction of Christendom if they are allowed to reach critical mass.

This fucking war, like most, is a disaster for all involved. It’s Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq - take your pick.

^ It's been a week dude. Maybe let's dial down the dramatics a bit.

^ lol. Yeah it’ll will all be over in 6 weeks. Same wishful delusion every war.

Oh puddy.....to live in fear like this. What is that like? Stockpiling pudding cups in your end of bible thumping bunker? The hordes are coming puddy! First it's a mosque, next its the crusades! Noooooooooo! Just get back to fapping.

Oh snap! You fucked me up with straight facts that cannot be disputed! The crusades part dos has already started? How about my use of “dos?” Part of the invasion of Mexicans infiltrating YOUR version of society?

We just received a fantastic update from President Trump. Iran's ability to fight is on its last legs, as follows:

• It's navy is pretty much wiped out;
• Their air force is also gone now;
• It's air defense systems have been demolished;
• They have no more radars;
• Their remaining missiles are destroyed;
• Their drone capabilities have been substantially diminished and are expected to be completely wiped out soon; and
• We are targeting the factories that build all these things to keep them from re-arming.

Not quite Mission Accomplished yet, but clearly the worst of the fighting is over. It didn't help these stupid animals that, after they made the grave mistake of attacking neighboring countries, those countries got pissed enough to actually join us in the attacks.

Good stuff. Now oil prices are coming back down and Trump is doing everything he can to get the Strait of Hormuz back open.

@rickthehick: They brought it on themselves. Better they be defenseless than continue what they were doing. That rabid fundamentalist regime made it clear that they were never going to stop.

When they claimed that they needed to rebuild their nuclear enrichment facilities for their domestic energy program, we countered by offering them all the nuclear fuel they could ever need for domestic power plants. Did they thank us profusely and immediately start planning ways that they could strengthen their energy grid for the good of their people? Of course not. Instead they rejected the offer and stood firm.

We also found missiles systems pointed at several of their Arab neighbors. Which makes sense since they've been waging proxy campaigns against them for years with no end in sight. These countries wanted to modernize and put old enmities behind, most notably with Israel. Iran had no intention of letting them do that peacefully.

Enough is enough.

But with all of that said, I don't see the U.S. or many of its Arab neighbors standing by while anyone simply plunders the country. Not that there's much there to take anyway since Iran kept its population largely destitute and instead used its oil riches to fund endless aggression in the Middle East through its proxies.

Another possible [probable] motive for destroying Iran's ability to export violence and regional chaos would be that it is the next step in Trump's China strategy. China worked very hard to groom Venezuela as an oil source, which Trump has severed. China worked very hard to take de facto control of the Panama Canal, which Trump has taken away. China and Iran have a longstanding and ever deepening economic and military interpendence, which a change in Iranian government would further isolate and weaken China. You've got to look at the whole board. China could not wage war against Taiwan, the AUKUS, the Quad Alliance and others if all their oil comes only from Russia.

Stupid stupid war

Terrible for our economy

Stupid stupid President

Stupid stupid people who voted him in

@Mate27, 100% agreed

I voted for Trump 3 times and like his domestic policy like deporting every illegal immigrant here, like every other 1st world country. If you don’t agree with you’re either an idiot, hate the United States, or you have some other alterior motive like voter replacement to keep some shitty democrats in office. That said, this war is a huge mistake with terrible effects.

They were developing nukes as fast as they could in order to use them on us and isreal. If they use them on isreal, isreal will hit them back hard. This had to be done, for our survival.

^^ agree. The only thing stupider than Trump being voted in was having the Dems choice of Harris running for POTUS. When are we going to get somebody with virtue and integrity lead our country again? Problem is anyone with decency and common sense will stay away from the shit storm that comes with the job.

Israel seems to be fighting a war to destroy Iran, as opposed to prevent Iran from gaining a nuclear weapon and toppling a dictatorship which is dedicated the destabilization of the global order, destruction of the west, and vengeful crushing of internal dissent. (Wow, that describes both the Iranian leadership, European and Canadian leadership, and the democrat party in America.) It was Israel, not the US, that has been attacking Iran's natural resources as opposed to military-political infrastructure. Even the neocon-in-chief, Lindsey Graham, posted that Israel needed to restrain their attacks.

Still, Europe's hypocrisy is on full display. Just as they continued purchasing Russian oil, funding Putin's war machine, while begging the US to take the lead in supporting Ukraine; the US has asked them to assist in keeping the Strait of Hormuz open for internation shipping - including European goods and fuel transports- and they have declined. Fuck Europe, fuck the UN, and fuck NATO. It makes no sense for America to continue to shoulder the lion's share of the burden of defending Europe from a Warsaw Pact threat which no longer exists, while our "partners" refuse to honor their contractual treaty obligations or assist us when we ask them for aid. The UN is little more than a puppet organization for communist and islamist special interest groups. The US is their second favorite target after Israel, and the US receives absolutely no benefit from being a member or housing them in prime Manhattan real estate. Europe and Canada have surrendered their precious heritage in the global expansion of Western Civilization, caving entirely the self-loathing liberal belief that White is bad and White people must surrender their entire cultural touchstones, governments, and welfare programs to the whims of illegal aliens and crybaby indians (feather-not-dot). I cannot honestly call them indigenous or native peoples when they themselves are known to have crossed from Africa, through Asia, across a Bering land bridge, and southward across the Americas, warring and displacing each other constantly. It's the same as a great line from a great movie, Kingdom of Heaven: "Who has a better claim? All have claim! None have claim!"

It seems as though more of Trump 45 was spend fixing eight years of Obama mismanagement, which he successfully did; but most of his victories were policies which fixed that mess as opposed to starting new things to build towards a better American future. Even a long four years of Obama's third term with demented Brandon - has resulted in even more damage to the US and world order which Trump 47 has to not fix before he can begin building new programs for the following generations to undertand and enjoy the greatness and prosperity which earlier generations had. That is what is happening in Iran. Ever since Carter betrayed the Shah and let islamists get away with their bloody revolution and take Americans hostage, American presidents have either done too little to impede Iran or openly aided and abetted them (what else do you call Obama's $1.7B cash gift to Iran?). It is all a failure of democrat and liberal leadership which this president finally decided to address. It's kind of a "now or never" deal. The only sure outcome was that doing nothing would be worse.

Elizabeth I : “We don’t pursue war. Wars are expensive. They drain our treasury and their outcomes are uncertain.”

Getting into this war was a mistake. The tactical operations have been a huge success. Our military might is unquestionably the best. Opposite the tactical success it’s been a strategic failure both internationally and domestically. It was stupid to alienate us from our allies and to not rally support at home.

We can’t change that. We’re in it now and need to do the job. Not sure you can ever “finish” an ideology as strong and long lasting as religious fanaticism but we need to get Iran’s nuclear material. This almost certainly involves sending in troops and taking losses. Don’t know if we have the stomach for that. If we don’t commit to taking their material, we’re just making a problem for ourselves down the road. We’ll be launching operations in Iran regularly to cut the lawn every time it grows back.

^ The fact is we'd likely have a bigger problem down the road if we didn't do anything. The longer we kicked the can down te road the worse the possibilities would be. Iran has preached our death and destruction for nearly 5 decades.

Having said that I'm still 50/50 on this whole thing, I'm not happy about it but they didn't ask my opinion so I hope they quickly just finish the job. I do agree that it's also a chess move that could impede china in the future and we'll need all the chips we can muster to keep them in line.

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Iraq war all over again. Same basic justification and promoters. But this war is already producing much worse outcomes for the U.S.

Really disappointing part is Trump campaigned against this and I believed him.

^ Or how about we spend American taxpayer money on rebuilding American infrastructure. Would that help the American unemployment rate while also improving American infrastructure? Just a fucking thought. WTF really frustrating.

^^ yeah the fact that that fat fucking orange man in the White House doesn’t care about anyone except himself is the most frustrating part. Someone may end up successfully opting him out of this life, although I’m not encouraging it, if it happens he has brought it on with spreading so much vitriol. He’s more divisive than Obama was.

Here’s a basic principle of history the dummies who started this war never learned; Once you start a war it’s very hard, nearly impossible, to stop. That’s another reason to avoid it.

Ever since born-again Jimmy "peanut brain" Carter allowed our ally, tbe Shah of Iran, to be overthrown in Iran, the muslims in Iran have been at war with us. They're on a mission to kill us all, and isreal too. When they get the bomb, they'll use it on isreal first, and us second. Trump knows this, anyone with at least 2 functioning brain cells has to know this. Seven presidents have known this (Carter, Reagan, Bush 1, Clinton, Bush 2, Obama, Biden). Trump is the first president with the balls and brains to do something about it. Lots of things could go wrong. We could lose thousands of soldiers, we could have terror strikes here in America, we could have gas rationing like FDR put us on in WW2, gas lines like we had under carter, a recession, a depression even. All those outcomes are preferable to Iran getting the bomb.

As someone else mentioned, none of us have the wherewithal to understand the government in order to run the government, so our opinions don’t mean anything after all is said and done.

I went back and read through this thread. This thing is far from over. Iran rulers got the shit kicked out of them. Each time a new ruler mole popped up, he was whacked. Bunches of them. After the US Civil War, it took a long time to settle out the violence. Post-WWII, it took a long time to drive out the Nazi leadership. The IRGC needs to be treated with extreme prejudice. It can never be trusted.

Same will happen in Iran. Even after Iran's "leadership" is neutered, and their offensive weapons are destroyed, it will take several generations to have any trust with Iran. After the USSR fell, we now have Putin's Regime.

Iran will get settled, Trump finishes projects, although not in a way everyone will like. Now we need to be fearful of the 1,000s of lone wolf and terror cells embedded in Western Culture. That will be very hard to irradicate. Especially how the Dems want to neuter DHS' functionality.