In harmony with Dirkdigglers recent post, when you are asked for a tip after a dance or several dances, how do you let her down? Do you just pay owed amount for dances or tell her something to let her know how she can possibly get tips in future? I have just paid for dances in past and not said anything.
Yeah, it does put one on the spot - I don't have a go-to answer for that but maybe I should think of one for future encounters - I usually don't say anything and just walk-away
Just pay her what is owed. If she asks for a tip, just shake your head and politely tell her "no." They rarely persist and if they do, stand your ground. It's not difficult. You're not there to train her, and if she doesn't do anything you think is tipworthy, then sack up and politely tell her it's not gonna happen.
IME, the girls that tend to ask for tips are the ones that do the least for them. So they ask for them, because they are almost certainly not getting them otherwise. I just pay for the dance (as these girls are almost only worth just one dance if that), and if she says something like "No tip?" I just be honest, and say that i've already paid you for your dance; i only tip for extra or exceptional service. As we did only one dance, i think it's fairly obvious the dance wasn't exceptional. I don't like to do just one dance either. If she wants to make an uncomfortable scene, i can make one too. If there was something obvious that she needs to work on or improve that can be addressed in a simple statement, i might use that as a "tip" to her annoyance but she has to learn sooner or later.
If it's like my previous discussion and i did multiple dances that were just between good and very good, i'll say i think i've been pretty generous. There's a good chance that we could do this again in the future. Would you rather i tip you 20% and do only half of these songs or less, or 0% of what we just did? You do know that 100% of 0 is nothing? Okay, maybe i won't say something that nerdy and many of these girls don't seem to be too good at math, but "most" girls don't "demand" tips after multiple dances. They'll might imply one, which is why i made my discussion in the first place to see how common it was for people to tip on top of multiple dances and if dancers really expected tips and would be ungracious or just getting greedy and wanted to maximize their income.
This is one of those things where the girls are using your built-in politeness and fair play instincts against you, in a situation where it doesn't apply. I find that it's best to say as little as possible, and say it with a smile, but with eye contact and confidence. Most of the time, it's just "sorry, no". Sometimes, I guess in my weaker moments, I'll say, "I don't tip, but if I'm happy with dances I get more dances later.", which breaks my own rule of not saying too much or giving her anything to latch onto and argue about, but sometimes I guess my inner pussy takes hold and just blurts that out. Never had a girl argue about it, though
"the girls that tend to ask for tips are the ones that do the least for them"
Good points and i have to agree with this. I agree with less is better when it comes to discussion.
"but if I'm happy with dances I get more dances later"
Like this approach Subraman.
It doesn't matter WTF she says, I'm tipping (or not) based on my discretion which I have already quantified prior to her asking.
And if I wasn't planning on tipping to begin with, I will put $1 as tip without her knowing and then when I hand her all the cash I will say the tip is included.
Then later I hope she is pissed when she gets $1 for having the audacity to ask for a fucking tip. That is poor form in my book. And I couldn't give a rat's ass about how she feels about it.
I can't stand the hustle and ROB game. Asking for a tip is bad ROB behavior, so I won't reward it. If you deserve a tip, I'm going to give it. I haven't met a stripper that deserved and received a tip actually ask for it. ROBs are the only ones that ever ask.
Dances in the SoFlo mixed clubs are $25 which I consider expensive since they are often around 3-minutes; the dancers gotta give $5 to the house out of each dance (in reality the custy is the one paying for this) - some dancers pull the tip line telling custies they want a tip b/c they (dancer) gotta pay the club for the dances - smh, the custy is already paying a $5 tax and the dancer basically wants the custy to cough up an extra $5 so she can get the whole $25 instead of $20
^ If those girls are pulling $20 (their take) for a topless 3 minute dance, then that is damned good and better than most of the country including freaking Chicago. I wouldn't tip on any of those dances if there weren't extras involved. Dancers asking customers to pay the house fee twice? smh...
I think this was started by Tootsies which is owned by a publicly traded corporation, then the other South Florida clubs copied because it is an efficient way to extract a percentage of the dance revenue with minimal effort. Not sure this would fly in other cities but in Miami it seems to be accepted. And you better believe those bitches still ask for a tip lol
^ good insight - I was living in Dallas in the 2000s then relocated back to Miami and started SCing in Miami in early-2011 thus not sure when dances went from $20 to $25, perhaps when Tootsies moved from their old location to their current gynormous location but not sure when that was (2000s?) - $25 instead of $20 does make a difference monetarily and psychologically and does make me hold onto my $$$ more and visit less - IMO dancers could probably sell dances more easily at $20 than $25 and actually make more $$$
^ luv that! Especially the fanny pack. Why even bother with nickles and dimes? Pennies is where it's at. And if you have foreign currency that's worth even less, even better.
If I plan on getting dances in the future, I tell her "next time we'll keep going" otherwise it's a straightforward "no," hand the cash, and walk away.
The ones who ask for a tip are almost always the least deserving. Like subra, I say something like "I don't tip but maybe we can do some more dances later." But if a dancer is asking for a tip, and I'm refusing, then there is zero chance of any future dances. Still, this sounds better than saying duck off bitch.
@ sirlapdancealot. I couldn't have said it better.
When I go to FKK's or have seen some escorts it isn't unknown for the session to end early because the girl has 'rushed' it. When these girl's as for a tip I tell them. " I just did, paid you for 'X' even though you got me out in 'Y'. Always say it with a smile. There faces are a picture. Thankfully very rare in FKK where I tip a high percentage of girl's that give fantastic service.
The interesting thing I have found that many times the ones that give the worst dances are the ones that are most demanding for a tip.
My standard answers for a dancer asking for a tip that does not deserve one are: "maybe next time" or "thanks for the dance" and leave the area.
Since I am almost never a regular in any one club is can't just tell her "you give a shitty dance so bugger off" because she can bad mouth you to the other dancers.
If I happen to be in a club I have been to several times and the staff and some of the dancers know my face and that I am not a cheapskate I can afford to be more firm is she persists but I try to never be belligerent and I never short pay. That is a fast way to the bouncer's ire.
^ Sorry, all i have is singles, twenties and these annoying 100s. You don't want me to just give you a dollar, right? You want them all? No, i need them for the stage and the bathroom troll.
I've never had a dancer ask for a tip. Not once. Ever. Maybe I'm lucky? Maybe j don't club often enough?
The best reaction is to say, "no, sorry." And the pay her what is owed.
If just like declining dances, where anything said after, "no, thank you," is said by the first loser. Same with tips. Saying less is more. Be confident, polite, and firm.
Lady Scoundrel: "I implore of you good sir, for a mere twenty percent gratuity for the services rendered. Would you be so kind?"
Sir Pathetic PoolyD:. "But alas, madame, my musket has not been fired and your petticoat has remained unfettered. Would you be so kind as to return with me to the private dance hall for a full rendering of past service?"
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If she asks, and performed less than mediocre, I tell her how she can improve and say, next time. lol
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If it's like my previous discussion and i did multiple dances that were just between good and very good, i'll say i think i've been pretty generous. There's a good chance that we could do this again in the future. Would you rather i tip you 20% and do only half of these songs or less, or 0% of what we just did? You do know that 100% of 0 is nothing? Okay, maybe i won't say something that nerdy and many of these girls don't seem to be too good at math, but "most" girls don't "demand" tips after multiple dances. They'll might imply one, which is why i made my discussion in the first place to see how common it was for people to tip on top of multiple dances and if dancers really expected tips and would be ungracious or just getting greedy and wanted to maximize their income.
Good points and i have to agree with this. I agree with less is better when it comes to discussion.
"but if I'm happy with dances I get more dances later"
Like this approach Subraman.
Me: you might have, until you asked
Even if service is great, if she asks for it, she doesn't get it.
:)
And if I wasn't planning on tipping to begin with, I will put $1 as tip without her knowing and then when I hand her all the cash I will say the tip is included.
Then later I hope she is pissed when she gets $1 for having the audacity to ask for a fucking tip. That is poor form in my book. And I couldn't give a rat's ass about how she feels about it.
I can't stand the hustle and ROB game. Asking for a tip is bad ROB behavior, so I won't reward it. If you deserve a tip, I'm going to give it. I haven't met a stripper that deserved and received a tip actually ask for it. ROBs are the only ones that ever ask.
If it’s one dance and done - the girl should know that it wasn’t good. I think it’s rare that a PL intends to only get a single dance.
When I go to FKK's or have seen some escorts it isn't unknown for the session to end early because the girl has 'rushed' it. When these girl's as for a tip I tell them. " I just did, paid you for 'X' even though you got me out in 'Y'. Always say it with a smile. There faces are a picture. Thankfully very rare in FKK where I tip a high percentage of girl's that give fantastic service.
My standard answers for a dancer asking for a tip that does not deserve one are: "maybe next time" or "thanks for the dance" and leave the area.
Since I am almost never a regular in any one club is can't just tell her "you give a shitty dance so bugger off" because she can bad mouth you to the other dancers.
If I happen to be in a club I have been to several times and the staff and some of the dancers know my face and that I am not a cheapskate I can afford to be more firm is she persists but I try to never be belligerent and I never short pay. That is a fast way to the bouncer's ire.
I ease her down gently on my tip before picking up the pace.
She gets it. They are not as stupid as we might think.
I agree with everyone that has said that the ones that ask are often the least deserving.
Often times they'll tell you "oh, I got change"
The best reaction is to say, "no, sorry." And the pay her what is owed.
If just like declining dances, where anything said after, "no, thank you," is said by the first loser. Same with tips. Saying less is more. Be confident, polite, and firm.
"No, sorry."
:)
I have done the same, but say "I never tip anyone who implores".
They have zero idea what that means, so it seems to stun them into oblivion and they retreat.
Done.
I would acquiesce to your proposition. Intended double entendre. :)
Sir Pathetic PoolyD:. "But alas, madame, my musket has not been fired and your petticoat has remained unfettered. Would you be so kind as to return with me to the private dance hall for a full rendering of past service?"
I'm trying to picture that scenario and am envisioning a corset constraining an ample bosom.
"Back in the days" when a tip was a quarter for the jukebox. This was the Tootsies I first knew. God bless evolution!