Off topic. How to run for president and not turn off large blocks of voters
sharkhunter
1. Don't go around saying large groups of voters are going to be out of work after your policies are law. Lost West Virginia , part of Pennsylvania.
2. Even if your base thinks negatively of everyone who remotely supports the other party, don't call potential voters names. Don't resort to name calling. Call voters names. You lose. Example. Deplorables.
3. Don't say stupid things that make you sound arrogant even if you are. Example after being investigated for wiping a server to erase evidence, ask, you mean with a cloth?
4. Don't be involved in a previous administration that had several "suicides" under mysterious circumstances.
5. Don't have an organization that collects funds from foreign organizations that makes you look like something shady is going on making you look corrupt and crooked in combination with the above.
6. Don't talk about your plans to overturn the second amendment before you are president. Many voters support the bill of rights and the amendments. Don't be caught on camera saying you would like to ban all guns. It will be used against you forever as your forever opinion.
7. Visit states where your opponent is if you think it will be close. Every state does count. That's the way our system is rigged. It doesn't matter if not one person in the entire state of California voted for your opponent.
8. Don't advocate open borders or controversial policies while running for president.
Not every American wants criminals and millions of others just arriving in the country competing for jobs and taking welfare benefits, social security benefits, Medicare or Medicaid benefits that they paid nothing for while Americans here have worked years for these benefits. People feel slighted if their benefits get cut because you are promising to let millions of others to come and take what they thought would be their benefits.
9. Talk about how your policies will help voters in multiple states. Focus on improving the economy and voters economy and jobs. Ok this one was extra.
Ok the political part. One candidate did the opposite of all of this and millions of Americans were in disbelief that she lost.
2. Even if your base thinks negatively of everyone who remotely supports the other party, don't call potential voters names. Don't resort to name calling. Call voters names. You lose. Example. Deplorables.
3. Don't say stupid things that make you sound arrogant even if you are. Example after being investigated for wiping a server to erase evidence, ask, you mean with a cloth?
4. Don't be involved in a previous administration that had several "suicides" under mysterious circumstances.
5. Don't have an organization that collects funds from foreign organizations that makes you look like something shady is going on making you look corrupt and crooked in combination with the above.
6. Don't talk about your plans to overturn the second amendment before you are president. Many voters support the bill of rights and the amendments. Don't be caught on camera saying you would like to ban all guns. It will be used against you forever as your forever opinion.
7. Visit states where your opponent is if you think it will be close. Every state does count. That's the way our system is rigged. It doesn't matter if not one person in the entire state of California voted for your opponent.
8. Don't advocate open borders or controversial policies while running for president.
Not every American wants criminals and millions of others just arriving in the country competing for jobs and taking welfare benefits, social security benefits, Medicare or Medicaid benefits that they paid nothing for while Americans here have worked years for these benefits. People feel slighted if their benefits get cut because you are promising to let millions of others to come and take what they thought would be their benefits.
9. Talk about how your policies will help voters in multiple states. Focus on improving the economy and voters economy and jobs. Ok this one was extra.
Ok the political part. One candidate did the opposite of all of this and millions of Americans were in disbelief that she lost.
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We have like 100 trillion dollars in national debt and future liabilities and the problem grows until the whole system collapses with no action to fix it. That's the really sad part because we could have implemented changes to fix the problem but no one does anything. I guess I didn't realize the Republican Party is really 2 different parties and is the same party in name only. Trump isn't really even a republican in my opinion. He's more like an independent,
Our system is rigged. You have to be a millionaire to have a chance at spending the mega bucks to even get your name on the ballot in every state and pay for advertising etc. That means only the 1% has a chance at becoming president and many members of congress are in the same group and voters wonder why we have so many problems.
If you could replace the president and congress with the middle class, I bet real change would come that would boost our economy and help the poor and middle class and everyone. Well the rich would pay more in taxes possibly. Can't deny that. However if the economy was booming, they might be paying more because they were making a lot more money. That's what I call a win win. Everyone makes more money. The government has more money to pay bills.
I bet it wouldn't. Human nature doesn't change just because you aren't rich.
You then went on to say "... I bet real change would come that would boost our economy... ."
Nope. If middle class people were really such financial geniuses I doubt they would still be 'middle class.' Trust me, they would fuck the economy up just as much as the rich folks do. The only way to solve our economic problems is to leave everyone the hell alone and to stop stealing their money. That means that we should especially stop taking rich people's money and giving it away to the middle class. The middle class receives the lion's share of the government money in this country and the rich people pay the lion's share of the taxes. If rich people are rigging the system, as so many people seem to believe, then they are doing a really bad job of stealing their own money back.
I do not think our current political situation is ANY of the above
Please, someone explain to me why strip clubs attract so many bizarre, long-winded, Randoids? There most be some kinds of weird association because the sugaring forums (with some truly rich guys) are mostly sane liberals and moderates.
Even cnn predicts the dem's success will continue in the 2018 midterms.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/09/politics/c…
And I don't see all that many "Randoids" here. But I do see a strange hostility to libertarianism here that I actually don't see anywhere else. This is strange, because it's actually a fairly obscure ideology with zero chance of winning many elections at any level. Ever.
THen you haven't been here long enough
No but it does appear living inside the 495 Beltway around DC causes one to be short sighted and not to be able to understand what the rest of the country needs and wants to live productive lives. I could go a step further and say they go stupid but at the very least they surround themselves with so much BS they forget why they were elected.
Personally I've thought for the last 13 years we are headed for another civil/internal war but this time it will be the coast versus the middle of the country. It took a few years before people started to realize what they were hearing on the news wasn't really news anymore as much as an agenda ridden commentary but once they did, and once people realized you saw what happened. Both Trump like him or not and Sanders represent the same thing in one regard --a disgusted voter with politics as they have been the past 50 years.
Okay. What do they need and want? My guess is that they all need and want very different things. Mutually exclusive things.
"Personally I've thought for the last 13 years we are headed for another civil/internal war but this time it will be the coast versus the middle of the country."
And what will this civil war be fought over exactly? I'm really curious to know.
" ... once people realized you saw what happened. Both Trump like him or not and Sanders represent the same thing in one regard --a disgusted voter with politics as they have been the past 50 years."
Yes, I saw what happened. I saw that Trump and Sanders got even fewer votes than the bitch they ran against. (And Trump got a lower percentage of the popular vote than even Mitt Romney did in 2012.) If the people are trying to launch a revolution against the wealthy and powerful, then they are going about it in a strange way: by electing a well-connected billionaire. Plus Trump and Sanders have no new ideas. Sanders' ideas on economics aren't much different from Hillary Clinton's, or John Edwards', or Walter Mondale's. I don't see much of a revolution there. And Trump's ideas are just an inconsistent mix of all the ideas of the post-war era. I don't see anything radical about Trump. His behavior may be different, but his ideas are mostly the same.
So, based on this, what is going to be the theme of Trump and Sanders' revolution? What's the slogan of the revolution going to be? "Don't change anything, just keep doing what you've been doing, but be loud and angry about it!" Yeah, that sounds about right.
Trump is very much like Reagan with policies of the 2010s versus the 1980s. I think you tried to refute this before, but ignoring the obvious doesn't change the fact.
I do not think our current political situation is ANY of the above"
I disagree. I think our political situation is ENTIRELY and EXACTLY all of the above. Trump is giving the (moronic) people what they (moronically) believe would be in their (moronic) best interests, and the way he got his opportunity to do that (and to self-aggrandize, and gain emoluments on the side, of course) was to advertise in a way that would convince them that they (moronically) should put him in office. Right there, there's all three of your "of" and "by" and "for," all accounted for. It is utterly no matter that it actually is very much in the people's worst interests; that the people probably wouldn't have voted for Trump if they'd used facts to make decisions; that the system out there contains so many checks, balances, and safeguards, that Trump's most nefarious aims probably can't be realized and yet those exact aims are probably the ones that most of his voters would most support, against the very Constitution they so fervently (moronically) claim they espouse. He'll spend and create government infrastructure programs (wall out Mexico, anyone?) all more expensive than FDR's New Deal, raise taxes on certain services and products to pay for it, and claim he's a low-tax pro-business Libertarian-economic-policy Republican, but who needs reality? The (moron) voters believe protectionism will work and coal will save the American economy and they should have more than their (moronic) average of one boat, two houses, and two-and-a-half cars per person because they've been STOLEN from by our outlandishly high taxes (which are lower than any other developed country's taxes; except the most regressive ones, such as sales on clothing and grocery goods, which are unaccountably high relative to other developed countries), because A BOAT ISN'T ENOUGH TO BE MIDDLE CLASS ANY MORE.
We've got of by and for the people and I hate it. The people are morons. I tried to live in Canada but I got black-balled because of my national origin too often to have a career there (they are really jingoistically opposed to USA's citizens, they just hide it well). So I came back at the end of the Clinton era. Now I wonder, would it be worse to deal with living under Trump and having to pretend he has a brain; or worse to move back to Canada only to be informed every single day "Let me tell you how fucking stupid this American was" and therefore have to pretend I don't have a brain.
Sorry, got on a tear there.
Plus, the strip clubs in Toronto and Vancouver are better than in New Orleans or Jackson MS.
Neither has mine. But you know, the only thing worse than voting for what you want and not getting it is voting for what you don't want and getting it.
Excuse me, but I think you tried to successfully refute this, but failed miserably. Just because you disagree or you chose to ignore what I wrote, that doesn't change the facts either. (Not that I can blame you for ignoring it, after all I do write the truth.)
On the other hand, as I've said several times already, he hasn't been all that bad so far. I'm not sure whether it will end well, but so far, so good. Let's wait and see.
Here's the last of it from me.
In life, it's important to know when to stop arguing with people, and simply let them be wrong.
That said, continue being wrong.
All deaths should be investigated as though they were homicides.
SJG
True, but for some reason on comparision of candidate Donald Trump versus candidate Mitt Romney, more people can see themselves (IMO) as Donald Trump if they were to be rich or could in an alternate universe than they could see themselves as Mitt Romney.
Mittens just seemed like the real life capitalist villain / CEO villain we love
(IMO) hate. Through Bain & Co. and later Bain Capital, there's something about Mittens: he seems like the evil CEO how would foreclose on the homes of people you know and then layoff (pink slip) those very same people the next day. Then give himself a bonus for it all.
That was the perception.
Supposedly of his $190-250MM fortunate, he does supposedly donate a lot of it to charity and the church. Not sure that message got across to voters. I remember his charity boxing photo but not much else.
Do think I dismissed the guy too early and too easily.
Anyway, for the record, although I'm critical of him, I nonetheless happily voted for Romney in 2012. But four years later, I just couldn't bring myself to pull the lever for Trump. As a libertarian, I only agree with about 50% of the GOP platform anyway. But once trump took the helm, that percentage got smaller and smaller. By election day, there was very little left for me to support. Thankfully, he governs somewhat differently from how he campaigned. Which is to say, he's not bad, depending on who is controlling him at the moment (Pence, etc.).