OTC with stripper whose price is non-negotiable
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Have any of you guys ever found a stripper who will not negotiate her price for OTC? Just wondering, if her price is relatively high and non-negotiable what would your expectations be? Would you expect she would be cleaner, as not many will pay her price. Would you expect she just has GPS and will be a bitchy pain? Would you expect her to be better in bed for that price. Have any of you met this and did you pay her price?
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I could be wrong - as some girls charge a higher rate because they are open to everything.
Example - I know a stripper who works in a club where ITC can be had. I offered OTC to her and she declined. Her reasoning was it’s too hard to set up a reliable sitter for her kid when she’s normally off work and she’s happy $$$ wise averaging her 2 - 3 VIP sessions a night on 3 nights of work a week. If she doesn’t make what she usually does one week she simply works an extra night.
Unlike shadow, I do negotiate, but I also have a bar I just won't go past -- and that bar is not just about affordability, it's also about (again) the fact that since there's no assumptions I can make about service levels, it's just crazy to pay more, when there's so many gorgeous enthusiastic young women who will take less.
Now if you have a direct conversation and KNOW there will be tangible extra service benefits (she's firm at $450, but for that price she'll spend the night), then you can make your decision on what those tangible extra benefits are worth to you. Without that -- you just can't make any assumptions of what service will be like and you should take a HARD pass without thinking twice if it's past your limit.
I'd say most things in life are negotiable, but getting someone to the point where they're willing to compromise isn't automatic.
She has a right to determine her value and you have the right to determine if you are willing to pay for it.
I also think what your itc experience with the dancer is should also play a role.
There is one dancer I would like to take otc but she hasn't accepted yet. My experiences with her itc would dictate I would be willing to pay a little more to see her otc and really have fun. We have not talked price yet, but If her price is too much and she would not negotiate, I would be happy to continue seeing her itc.
But, every time I've negotiated a price it's been bad to terrible. I don't know if its resentment as a result of the negotiation or if girls who haggle are just bad in bed or what, but its pretty consistent. The same is true ITC.
Hard to say what kinda service one ultimately gets, but IME/IMO dancers charging a premium price are often all about the $$$ and zero about your experience.
Anyway, my personal rule is: never let her quote her price. for myself I'm happier quoting my price and gettting bargained up
In Vegas a dancer offered me OTC and I asked how much? She said she felt $1000 was fair. I laughed and told her I'm not an NFL player. Then she said how much do you feel is fair. I said the most I'd pay is $500. She was like ok I can do that but only for you (such blatant SS btw). I take her number down but have no intention of calling as I just wanted to see how much she'd budge from her $1000. One offer chopped it in half and she was ready and willing. Makes me think if I kept negotiating I could have got it down to $300.
I have yet to do any OTC date but I do watch you guys talk about your experiences and learn from that. In the hopes that when my time comes I won't be swindled.
I know you said you were just doing it to see if she'd come down, but that IS exactly the type of reaction that, if you'd actually taken the deal, nearly 100% of the time leads to poor service, IMO. Again, gut instinct, I feel devaluing them may work in business but works terribly on strippers, whereas an approach that reinforces how awesome she is but regrettably your budget is lower, tends to work well.
I do completely agree with you guys that many girls cite very high quotes just to see if a sucker will take it. Another reason not to approach the negotiation by asking how much she charges -- particularly if you're a no-negotiation guy
Personal services involve personal feelings. If I negotiate a vehicle purchase down, the car won't feel bad and perform poorly for me. I don't think it works that way in p4p.
When negotiating for anything it's probably best to be prepared/educated as to what a fair-range is - in past OTC threads some PLs have started w/ high-prices they were not comfortable w/ nor comfortable maintaining and subsequently felt they were kinda "locked-in" b/c once they started paying her $X she most-likely would not be happy w/ "$X minus" in the future - i.e. negotiate a fair-deal from the beginning seems to be the way to go and that requires some thought and not just throwing out a random # and subsequently possibly wasting both parties' time.
In my local market, there are plenty of good looking dancers giving it up for $200 and some for as little as $150. I pay up a bit to get lower volume girls and I'm ok with that, but in those rare instances where I've dramatically overpaid, I found the girls to be uptight and really not a lot of fun.
I don't like to haggle like I'm trying to buy a roadside trinket of some sort. If a dancer quotes a crazy price ($5,000/hour), I just tell her that's too rich for me and have a nice shift.
If she quotes a price that's high but not outlandish, I'll say "For that amount, I expect X, Y, and Z over the course of X hours." If she agrees, we're on. If not, I beg off and tell her to have a good shift.
Anytime a negotiation doesn't work out, I'll let the dancer know that she can always come back to me if her pricing changes.
I do occasionally negotiate downward after a few visits. Usually it takes the form of "this has been really fun, but I can't keep up this price" and quite often they'll drop the rates. Sometimes they do the same, "I know you're busy but I really could use the money, how about $d instead" I've only had one who tried to go up after a few visits, I turned her down and she was gracious but we both moved on.