Escort talk

1. Never pay in advance
2. An escort will not look as good as her pictures

Strippers are better than escorts.

Upfront money to a paypal lol...not the first time i heard it though. Scam. Some nice ladies on the west have fun.

So how do you know if it's a deputy behind the pic instead of an actual escort? Just wondering.

My friend's chupacabra told me that the deputies offer trips to Greece for $200 while escorts want at least a $100 upcharge.

I like both strippers and escorts and don't think the question is that simple. Which is better depends upon the market that you are in, the individual woman, and your goals as a PL. Also, the experience and chase is much different in a strip club (alcohol, music choices, unknown what the dancer really does) versus a room, a known outcome and the choice has been made. I would argue that the risks and costs are about the same. @sharkhunter, there is plenty of research out there on escorts just as there is plenty of research on strip clubs.
What is really interesting is that many escorts began as strippers, so in many cases they are both a stripper and an escort.

Pre pay via PayPal sounds like a scam. I would avoid.

Before you book with anyone, check their reviews on TER (or other dependable escort review sites). Don't book with anyone who doesn't have recent reviews.

I haven't done the escort thing in a long time, but I never had to deal with a girl being vastly different from her pics because I did my research first. If that ever did happen to me, I'd just walk away. I wouldn't feel remotely bad about it.

My escort friend is cash only; no paypal. Her pics are about 20 pounds ago too but she still has a nice shape. If the girl looks reasonable, most guys go through with it anyway.

Your questions demonstrate why strippers are better than escorts. You always know what a stripper looks like, and if you know what you're doing you won't have to 1) pay in advance, 2) do a background check, or 3) worry about her being a cop.

There is a standard etiquette when it comes to escorts. One should hesitate to see anybody who wanted to deviate from that standard, unless a good relationship was previously established.

JS69 is an ol' rich geezer who convinces teenage dancers to let him fuck them. If you don't have his experience, then a stripper can rip you off big league. A well reviewed and established escort will never do that to a client unless he seriously breaks etiquette. Strippers are better for JS69, but not necessarily for everybody else as well.

Larry, I am sure that many of these escorts will measure up to everything their ads suggest. But why not stick with girls you first meet face to face. Escort sessions create a lot of pressure, as the girl is not sure whether or not you will really like her. Whereas if you approach her in a strip club, no matter how P4P oriented she has become, that first approach will still have a big effect on her. You could have gone after another.

And then by the time you are alone with each other, you know each other very well.

Also, at a strip club it is See, Want, Get. You get to have her dressed and painted up as you first saw her. I would not waste that opportunity, and be their in a hallway waiting for a girl to open the door.

SJG

@futuretrackstar it sounds like you prefer escorts over strippers?

Your question can't be answer in plural/general; every person and situation is different. Each girl will act different to each different individual client. In my case I just had the fortune to experience the most amazing sexual encounter of my entire life with a blond girl from Eastern Europe, Better than any sexual experience with civilian or stripper or pornstar I have had, I might write an article with details, but in escense she is a sexully liberated human being that enjoyed the experience and made me enjoy the experience. I wrote an article about how my friend found his ATF escort and decided to give it a try and see if I could find someone, and I am glad I did. If you want to try, just prepare for the worst case and hope for the best possible outcome.

Find an independent. Go to her place (in call), be ready to turn around and walk away if she is not of your liking or doesn't look like the pics (bait and switch). Is better if her incall is in a high end neighborhood, less likely the police will mess with rich wealthy powerful influential celebrities, politician, business men etc. clients. You have to look the part of a good customer, shower, shave, groom yourself, be well dressed, clean, clean, clean. If you do run into the police, keep your mouth shut and ask to speak to your attorney, chances are you won't even get arrested or cited, walk away. Once with her behave like a gentleman, and do your best to make her feel safe, desired and appreciated she will reward you accordingly if she is the one for you I wish you and every one who goes the escort route the best.

^ @SJG "Escort sessions create a lot of pressure, as the girl is not sure whether or not you will really like her. "

I really don't think that even crosses her mind unless she thinks it determines if she will get repeat business.

Woman want a guy to really like them. They want to be able to feel that in their bones. It makes all the difference in how much they are able to open themselves up.

If you first approached her at a strip club, it will be great. But if the introduction was made some other way, the first meeting is going to be a time of high stress.

You only have one first meeting with a girl. I would never want to waste that by having it brokered in some way other than f2f.

SJG

@Larry, depends on my mood and how much I feel I can spend. With escorts you always get what you came for. It's like going to a restaurant and ordering a cheeseburger; it might not be the cheeseburger of your dreams, or maybe it is, but you're definitely getting a cheeseburger either way. But there is more serendipity with strippers IMO.

Works better with a girl you have first met f2f and approached her yourself.

SJG

Find an escort review site. Look for local girls who have multiple good reviews. Make sure several of the reviewers have submitted multiple reviews. This very much reduces risk of a scam or LE. I would compromise on looks long before I compromised on safety.

I was close to people who ran Redbook AAMPs. People always talked about LE scam ads. But these never existed. LE just doesn't do that.

In fact, when they did strike, it never had anything to do with the ad. It was always just neighbors complaining, and so LE had to figure out a way to get in without an appointment. If all else failed, they just did a knock and talk and tried to scare the people away.

SJG

Stick with strippers larry...ive dabbled in both. Strippers get the nod.

Lots of good advice has already been given in this thread, so I will try my best not to repeat things that have already been said.

There are a lot of providers out there that will screen you like crazy. They will ask for references, which would be the name of another provider you have seen. Being that you don't have any references, you will be limited to providers who are newb friendly. There are some out there that will see you if you are just starting this hobby, and some will even state it in their ad. If they post an ad and they don't say either way if they are newb friendly or require references, there is a good chance they may still see you. That is how I saw my first provider.

I never contacted a provider that had fewer than 5 pictures, and among those pictures, at least 3 needed to show their face. There are several that will not show their face in pictures, or will have their face blurred out. I can understand that some want to protect their privacy, but I personally prefer to know what they look like so I know if I am attracted to them. You are sure to find a couple that will have plenty of pictures and won't be shy about showing their face. When it comes to comparing pictures to what they look like in person, I've been fortunate enough to not run into a situation where they looked different than their pictures. I guess I am just a lucky bastard.

After finding what looks like "the one", the next thing you need to consider is what their price is. Some will post prices in their ads, and some will not. If their price is too high, you can always find one who looks just as good, but has a more reasonable rate. Some may actually charge you a higher rate than normal if it is your first time seeing them. If you go through with it and all goes well, you will get a much better rate the second time you schedule with them.

When it comes to reviews, be hesitant to contact those who have fewer than 10. To be safe, I would still be cautious if they have fewer than 20. It may be in your best interest to find one who is both a high-volume provider and also newb friendly. I have seen those types, so they are out there. When I say high-volume, I only mean they have a long list of clients that they schedule with and not necessarily that they have 10+ appoinments daily. Realistically, your average escort only schedules 2-3 appointments daily.

When it comes to doing research, I only consider TER to be a good secondary source of information. While TER has the best selection of provider profiles and reviews, there are no actual pictures or advertisements. A lot of profiles do have links to websites, but other than reading reviews about the provider, I really don't like the way that TER is set up.

I recommend a different type of website for your primary source for researching escorts. Back in the day, I used a site known as Naughty Reviews. Both providers and hobbyists used it. Providers would create profiles and post ads. Hobbyists would write reviews about the providers. There were also forums that both hobbyists and providers could post discussions on. As it is, the majority of the conversations on the forum were among hobbyists.

Naughty Reviews eventually went to shit and no one uses it anymore. Today, there is a similar website known as My Scarlet Book. I have browsed through ads on My Scarlet Book and found out two of the providers I have seen several years ago are still escorting. One of them happens to still have the same exact phone number as I still have it saved in my phone. It has made it very tempting for me to send her a text, even though I know she won't remember who I am after 3+ years.

I never used sites like Backpage or Craigs List.

Before you know it, Fishsticks is going to graduate high school, then graduate community college, then get a job, then have his 40th birthday - and he'll still be a virgin.

Both have risks. Detroit p.d. Vice squad does raid the 8mile strip clubs. If you are just unlucky you could go to jail. If you do your due diligence , research an escort, you can be 99% she is not l.e. Cost for an escort is 300 to 400 and you can take your time getting off. In the strip club, its much quicker because no stripper is going to be with you foran hour in Detroit VIP. I have enjoyed both. Stay away from backpage hoes unless she is reviewed a more known site.

I like them both equally. When I want a sure thing, I see an escort. When I want to hunt prey, I go to a club or AMP. Here in LA it's like a candy store filled with all kinds of yummy possibilities!

Btw - if you are serious about seeing a provider stick with a site like TER.

@anthony, I'm also in Metro Detroit, but $300 is the most I've ever paid for an hour, and only once did I pay that much. The average price of the providers I saw would be $200 for an hour, or $150 for a half hour. They all had looks that were in the solid 7-8 range too. But this was 3 years ago, and the two I've seen that are still active don't have rates listed in their most recent ads, so I'm not sure if prices have gone up over the past few years.

Larry is one funny guy

CJkent - look forward to your Article

Strippers suck and are mostly ugly in the states , escorts are better looking and dont hustle you for drinks , vip rooms ETC all the bullshit that goes on american strip clubs , if you were in mexico or south america well you cant go wrong on their strip clubs .

Go for escorts in they are Hotter

Lots of good info here. I will add a few things.

1. Strip Clubs are fun but like said, "not always a sure thing"... even with knowing what to ask and how to negotiate. You can still get a ROB or less than satisfactory outcome. Not saying that couldn't happen with an Escort. But lets say I have never been out right disappointed with an escort. But I have with a stripper.

2. Plus depending on the time of day and what not.... Strippers could have a little B.O. from a long day of work. While most escorts are freshly showered.

3. With escorts they will let u know if you get 1 or 2 pops. So if you think about it you get more bang for your buck. When I have been with strippers and they want more $$$ for the second pop.

4. Lots of times the cost is more with strippers. What I am getting at is drinks, cover charges, valet, tips at the rail, etc. Where escorts are typically the price of is up front.

5. Look at the site P411.... if you are planning on doing the escort thing a lot more than just once. Lots providers are ok with you just having that account to make sure YOU are not LE. Plus I haven't heard yet of a escort with a P411 account being LE. So pretty safe for you.

6. I have never prepaid. I would choose a different one if they ask.

7. I have never walked away from an escort and they have never been a bait and switch type experience. So I have been lucky. But again I use TER, P411, and do my research like others have mentioned. Also if there is an agency that has a lot of girls reviewed and are positive reviews. I would go see one of their girls if they didn't have my 5 + review policy.

Now I like my time with strippers. But in my area... not so much ITC action other than hand stuff..... so that is why I lean towards escorts. But when I travel.... I do my research here as well to find an ITC action.

Good luck in what ever you do.

Forget both go to Mexico or Brazil