This can be interesting and some times scary. Last Saturday Bubba267 and I were standing outside of Follies front door waiting for them to open. A car pulls in with 2 kids in their car seats in the back and the dancers husband in the drivers seat. She kisses him "good bye" and goes on into the club. We both know that she is married with 2 kids because she talks about it all of the time. They have "an open relationship". She gets dances from Bubba267 first and tells him that she wants to take the 2 of us to VIP simultaneously. Then she tells me during our dances that she is going to fuck Bubba in VIP unless I want to go first.
She is cute, a little pudgy and very playful but we both had to pass on the VIPs with her. Seeing her in the parking lot with her family was interesting.
I like watching girls in parking lots. But not just in strip clubs. But I have to keep it within reason. And especially in strip clubs, the girls likely won't want to be observed.
a21985, respecting that women might not want to be watched, and especially showing up to work in a strip club is creepy, and serial killer level creepy? What sort of a dick head you must be.
I first saw pictures of this in Architectural Digest many years ago. Seemed to me it was like building a house on top of the front porch awning. Curious. But they had all sorts of white sofas outside. To do that you need to have servants to put that stuff away when the weather changes. Also need a large lot to maintain some privacy.
But overall, looking at more of it now, more of it outdoor space than indoor space, I do like it.
I don't run into dancers in the parking-lot often but the few times I have it's been more like meh vs a turn-off or a turn-on.
There's a small-black club that is sorta my go-to spot but I don't have a fave club per se - I often like to hit it on Sat or Su afternoons since the dancer lineup can be pretty-good w/ weekend part-time dancers adding to the regular crew. I like to hit the club around 4 pm b/c a mid-shift comes-in starting at that time thru about 6 pm thus adding to the dayshift girl #s - it's a small club and the dressing-room is diagonally across the entrance of the club so one sees pretty-much every dancer that comes-in since she has to walk from one end of the main-room to the other - I get a PL-rush when I see a stacked thick ebony coming into the club that I can't wait to see or get my hands-on once she hits the floor.
I am at the mercy of the train schedule, so often get to the club before it opens at noon. In which case, I grab myself a cup of coffee across the street and watch the girls walk in. I just love seeing the girls wander in in street clothes, although seeing a stripper mid-hangover, un-made-up, in the full light of the sun, is not for the weak of constitution. The downside here is sometimes the strippers come to the coffee shop before they head over to the club, and they will stare daggers into you if they see you there. No stripper wants to be spotted by the PLs before she's ready
Chess I don't know what most of them drive, I've only seen a few times them driving into the club or out of the club. All those times though their cars were shitty. I don't want to come across as hating on those with not great finances, so I'll keep my idea of a shitty car to myself :)
@sjg - I'm moron for bothering with you, but lets recap your two comments:
Comment #1: "I like watching girls in parking lots. But not just in strip clubs. But I have to keep it within reason. And especially in strip clubs, the girls likely won't want to be observed."
Logical Intepretation: You like to watch girls in any parking lot, even though you know they don't like to be watched, and you're self-concious of how obvious it is when you do so. That's kind of weird and creepy. I personally do not enjoy just sitting round in cars watching girls in parking lots, the fact in creeps out women is the exact reason I do not enjoy it.
SJG comment #2: "a21985, respecting that women might not want to be watched, and especially showing up to work in a strip club is creepy, and serial killer level creepy? What sort of a dick head you must be."
Logical intepretation: You either knowingly, or through social ineptitude assume that the serial killer like tendacy I got of your last post was the part where you acknowledge girls don't like to be stalked. You completely ignore the other half of your previous post that is the actually creepy part, you know, the part where you said you enjoy just watching girls in parking lots.
But yeah, I'm the dickhead. I thought you were just loopy, but man are you disconnected from reality and living in your own made up world.
I often see dancers either just coming to work and pulling in or finishing their shift and being escorted to their car by a bouncer. One thing I've noticed as a near universal truth is that the high mileage girls that I've seen at my main club all seem to drive nice/newer cars, SUVs and/or sports cars.
SJG says many things that are all sorts of creepy / stalker. Usually, it's buried in 2000 words of gibberish.
On the odd occasion when I've walked into a club at the same time as a dancer, the revelation can be positive or negative. But yeah, it's interesting to not see them in their stripper persona.
Last time I waited in a strip parking lot, I was surprised by a morality unit walking through the parking lot. A few minutes later I left and went to another club and walked in.
Larry is a bmw a shitty car? I have seen two bad strippers that drove bmws. I don't know what you expect them to drive or what they drive in LA but that could be just the upper tier strippers. I wonder how many strippers pull up to the strip club with their bf in a lambo or Ferrari?
A big upscale club w/ good $$$ in it means some dancers may drive nice cars but IME they often drive cheap cars if they have a car at all - some may drive a nice car for a while but get it repossessed due to their issues w/ money management
DUIs, or a sugar-daddy taking it back
Saw the "family" that works at Follies arrive one day. They parked next to me. Nice, clean well kept Honda. They looked so innocent, like a bunch of teenagers headed to the mall. All giggly and horsing around. They waved hello.
Honda Accord's are nice, its just that girls usually aren't very good at maintaining cars, so once a car is old enough it is rare that a girl will keep it going and reliable. Hoses and belts to replace, and lots and lots of little things which can fall apart.
a21985 wrote, "Logical Intepretation: You like to watch girls in any parking lot, even though you know they don't like to be watched, and you're self-concious of how obvious it is when you do so. That's kind of weird and creepy. I personally do not enjoy just sitting round in cars watching girls in parking lots, the fact in creeps out women is the exact reason I do not enjoy it."
a21985, you are totally FULL OF SHIT! All I was saying is that I sometimes see girls in parking lots and I like to take notice. But I keep it in moderation because I know that otherwise they would notice and take offense. You are dumping all sorts of your own SHIT on top of what I said.
a21985 wrote, "Logical intepretation: You either knowingly, or through social ineptitude assume that the serial killer like tendacy I got of your last post was the part where you acknowledge girls don't like to be stalked. You completely ignore the other half of your previous post that is the actually creepy part, you know, the part where you said you enjoy just watching girls in parking lots."
Again, a21985, you are not just a dickhead moron, you are just a belligerent creep, another Internet tough guy.
Actually my own observation is that how much girls want to be looked at depends entirely on how a guy is dressed. But even given that, it is not right to make them feel uncomfortable.
Chili Palmer wrote, "Paying for front room make-out sessions is a chump's game. The real pros stalk a dancer in the parking lot and have a front *seat* make out session. "
Chili, In case you have ever read anything I have posted, you will see that I never have talked about paying from front room make-out sessions. The whole reason for doing it in the front room is to decouple the money from what happens. The money is just a show of respect and never used to try and negotiate her into anything. That way she gets the best of both, money, and being treated like a civilian. And that is the way it needs to be if you want to have good experiences with her outside.
What Subraman said is correct, unless they really know you well, "No stripper wants to be spotted by the PLs before she's ready."
They have some sort of a wide body kit option. I assume for wider tires. But I was at a classic Mopar show this weekend. Wider would look better. But they've also now got 800hp.
Calling me an "belleigerent creep" and "internet tough guy" for calmly explaining to you how creepy the things you just said are (regardless of your initial intent and how normal they seemed to you) is just contributing to my belief you are concerning disconnected from reality...or somewhere on the autism spectrum (that's not an insult, it's an observation).
Seriously dude, I'm not dougster trolling you, I pick on absolutely no one on this site more than playful ribbing, and I in general keep to myself. Take off your SJG goggles, take a step back and really try to see how creepy the shit you say can be taken (right or wrong, regardless of your intent). Just trying to help you out, playa.
I confess to mostly not giving a shit about their family life. I've seen, and in some cases met, girls' BFs, GFs, husbands, wives, kids siblings, even parents, and I don't recall it ever making much difference in my interest. The only time I got a little concerned was when it turned out that one girl's boyfriend was a bouncer at the club she worked. That turned out ok, though.
As for watching them when they come to work? Hell yeah. I'm often at clubs around shift change, and it's hella interesting to seen them transform. Not always good, but usually interesting.
Usually though they don't want to be seen in street clothes and they don't want guys identifying their cars. Need to be respectful of that.
Unless you really know them well, or unless they really want you to know them well. One K. calling out to me from her car in other places and getting an arm around my neck while she is still in the car and nuzzling.
If any of this were taking place outside the cocoon of your keyboard courage, you'd be rocking back and forth while struggling against some form of incontinence.
You sound like a creepy lunatic, and your failure to reread your posts and recognize that poses no threat to me, but is most troubling for those who actually do have to be within arm's reach of you.
Blaze is a dive; so not surprised they cut-corners w/ the food-preparation since dives seem to cut corners on many things.
AFAIK Blaze does not have a kitchen - the report mentions the handling of lemons and fruits which are probably used for the drinks. At Blaze at night there is usually a guy outside w/ a grill selling burgers and sausage-sandwiches.
I think it was either Deja Vu 2 or Rocafella's that also got cited about a year ago and in that case I think even forced to shut down till they got things in order so it must have been pretty-bad in that case.
I get the feeling most SCs would have violations w.r.t. food-handling if they all got checked often enough - handling lemons/limes w/ bare-hands seems to be a common occurrence but it's a violation.
"Yessss!! My precious!!! Walking through the parking lot thinking about the front room GFE we will have later! This is obviously a ploy to show us your license plate number, so we can use it to find out your address for surprise OTC!"
Hola, if you are talking to me, I have said multiple times that one must respect the girl's desire for privacy. I have never hung out around a strip club parking lot.
Subraman, I try to keep it civil. I am not the one who says stuff that no sane person would ever say f2f, and which there is absolutely no basis for. But yes, this is typical on TUSCL. But the alternative is moderation, and as I have seen, that makes it worse.
Haha, SJG, if you want come out to the next Detroit together, you're more than welcome to. I'll be the 6'3" 230lb bearded black guy in his early 30s. Maybe if you and your sewing needle don't shit your pants when you realize your the online bully your the online bully who needlessly picks fights with guys who'd literally and figuratively make your testicles crawl back inside you when face to face, we can have a beer and a frank discussion on how to be less fucking weird when chatting in online forums.
I was more thinking of the post asking whether a dancer having her wallet open exposing her driver's license was inviting the guy to stalk her on facebook. This discussion seemed to be riffing off that vibe.
Dude you gotta not care about stuff like that, they are adult persons and make there own decisions. He is obviously ok with her banging other people, she prolly makes enough money to support their lifestyle. Whatever that may be (Drugs,Alcho, or just paying bills). I banged a girl from Showcase OTC at her house, and her kid was in the other room when I walked through her Condo to get upstairs to the bedroom she did not seem to be a crackhead or something bad. Everything was in order, there was food in the kitchen she had nice furniture etc etc. I'm not gonna lie, it has been awkward when her 2y/o kid came and knocked on her door while I was in there but at the same time...I've come to realise that she is doing this because she has no family here and can not support herself and a child being a maid or some other job for Hispanic women who speak little English. She has to rent with other people because she is not even counting all her money from stripping, in MD you have to make 3x the amount to rent the place. That's why her and 2 other strippers at Showcase rent together, it took 3 of them and one of the girls boyfriend for them to be able to rent the condo, on paper that is. This OTC is not all its cracked up to be, but i'm trying not to even look at them as people cause its making me think she wants more than OTC $$$.
Now there is this one girl at Oasis who's pimp drops her off, thats a big turn off. I feel like she has to "Sell a bottle" (VIP), I have a feeling she dosen't get to keep any of that money.
I guess SJG is people watching in the parking lot. Lol
When I'm coming in or leaving the strip club the parking lot helps me to guage which have a boyfriend or significant other. Also helps to see who really has their stuff together or has a good hustle. As larryfisherman mentioned they look better in the club. I usually see alot of cab catching at the club I frequent most.
Good job not giving your idea of a shitty car, LFM. Honda Accords are very practical, dependable cars. Just because they're not luxury doesn't mean they're shitty. I think you're being pretentious.
sometimes, i'll see a dancer drive up or i'll see her get out of her car headed in. some of those girls are even hotter before they put on their stripper costumes and apply a whole ton of makeup. it's kind of a girl next door appeal.
I drive a 12 yr old vehicle which looks worse than half of strippers' cars, but it drives like new and nonpayments. I could buy 5 new luxury cars today with cash, but prefer people see me as a broke ass pl. nobody thinks to rob.
Yeah my aunt and uncle live in LA and have a combined net worth well into the multimillions. They finally decided to get a luxury car, an Audi suv, then changed their minds and traded it in for something "more practical" ie non luxury. I guess they are now peasants with their mansion and their "shitty cars."
LOL. Nina learned a new word, pretentious, and attempted to use it in a sentence (failing in the attempt, of course).
Then she lapsed into more strippershit about having millionaire relatives. Just another Friday on TUSCL.
I absolutely agree with NinaBambina and Meat72. (I don't often say that!) My last three cars have been: Accord, Corolla, Corolla. I drove the Accord for 14 years and traded it in with 366,000 miles. My current Corolla is 6 years old and has 180,000 miles. I can afford any kind of car I want, but I love the reliability and the low fuel consumption of my rice burners and the fact that I haven't had a car payment since the 90s. When I see a stripper driving a Japanese compact rather than a sports car, I'm impressed with her financial savvy.
gamma, what in the world was wrong with Nina's use of the word pretentious? Just because you disagree with someone's political views doesn't mean you have to find fault where there isn't any.
" I got nothing against Honda Accords, but it's the kind of car you buy when you want it to last 80 years lol."
????
I assume you are exaggerating, but...
1. Who, in their right mind, wants to buy a car that will fall apart quickly?
2. 80 year old cars are awesome. Who doesn't see a 1930's car in good condition and give it respect?
3. You are a douche. I just had to add that or my post wouldn't be complete.
Multimillionaire* relatives. One has been a producer and writer for multiple primetime tv dramas, and my aunt is a "dating expert," was a host on a tv show about dating (yes I was actually able to watch her on tv), and has written books about dating advice that you can find on the shelves of major book stores. If you knew my uncle's name you could literally google him - that is exactly what I did to find out his net worth because I'm not rude enough to ask.
My grandpa (not biological) is probably a millionaire as well. He is a very frugal retired pediatrician. He lives here in Michigan and has tons of money and drives a Corolla. Lol.
There's a lot to be said for practicality, especially since auto purchases will be amongst the largest purchases of your life (second to homes and perhaps college degrees). I could never live with a sedan - literally incompatible with my lifestyle. But I think everyone would like to really splurge once in their life on a vehicle, so I did. Just because you drive a Ford, Honda, or Toyota doesn't mean you can't get it loaded with options and just as nice as any Lexus or Cadillac without paying for the nameplate. I was shocked as hell when the VP of Risk Management picked us up in Chicago in his Toyota Corolla, because it was a Toyota Corolla. Knowing this guy and his wife I would have expected a Volvo or Audi. But as he explained, after he loaded up all the options it was just as nice as any import, with a lower price tag, less expensive and more readily available service and parts, and cheaper insurance.
Pretentious? I doubt it. I was just being stereotypical. I could never know unless I truly got to know the dancer. Of the few I've gotten to know outside, meaning OTC, the car may be nice but other aspects of life are hurting. Or vice versa.
I myself drive an 03 Suburban that has paint chipped off everywhere and I absolutely love it.
I did not point out Nina's poorly chosen context because I disagree with her politics. I make fun of her because she is a demented lying whore, with serious self-esteem issues. And yeah, she's a shithead liberal.
Gammanut you accused me of failing to use the word "pretentious" correctly, yet YOU have still FAILED to explain how. Perhaps you are the one who doesn't know what the word means.
Gammanut if you think I'm lying about my multimillionaire relatives who do live in LA I am willing to bet you if you are up to the challenge. I will bet you $10,000 that I am telling the truth, and I will give a 10% cut to a Detroiter here on this board who would like to come into my club for the sole purpose of me showing them an abundance of evidence proving who my aunt and uncle are, along with my uncle's net worth. I doubt you can even afford to bet 10k but if you want to keep calling me a liar about it, I will prove you wrong and write you a check for 10k if I am lying. Apparently my life and my family's life seems so awesome to you that you refuse to believe it, so are you willing to make that bet?
Still waiting to hear on whether he wants to make that bet. Although I'm sure I'd never see the money even after proving him wrong. He has the biggest boner for me on this discussion board. He personally attacks me all the time which I find hilarious as it exemplifies how my confidence gets under his skin and hints that he gets intimidated and then emasculated by attractive, confident women who can dish his bullshit right back to him.
a21985, I don't care how big you are or what color your skin is. I don't go looking to make trouble f2f. But I also don't let people make trouble for me f2f. If they try it, they very quickly will live to regret it.
No, you are online because you know that the worst thing that could happen to you for being beligerant is to get your hang nail caught between the plastic keys.
Ch3ll, no, you are still full of shit. I don't hang out in parking lots to watch people. And especially with strippers, I know that their cars and their street clothes are part of their private world. But following the OP, sometimes one ends up seeing some of it.
Once a Hip Hugger girl was sitting in her pickup truck, and having an argument with her boyfriend. She called out to me, otherwise I would not have even noticed her. Another one made a u turn to come up next to me while I was on foot, and to get her arm around me and nuzzle. It happens. But I have never tried to observe strippers in their cars, in their street clothes, or in parking lots. And I have never posted anything, particularly on this thread, otherwise. If you want someone to shit on, find someone else, because I for one am not going to take it passively. And as you must understand, you are here online simply so you can be a jack ass like you never could f2f.
Pretentious: attempting to impress by affecting greater importance, talent, culture, etc., than is actually possessed.
Nina's use of the term is not incorrect, but a more accurate description of Larry's statement would be that he's a snob (a pejorative term for a person who believes there is a correlation between material possessions / social status and human worth.) or simply judgemental and superficial.
If Larry was in the club making it sound like he drives an Audi, but he is later seen exiting the parking lot in a Honda Accord, then that's a better example of pretension.
I know that you're all baiting each other and this hardly matters, but there you go.
You're making veiled threats online against some one who would make shit out your teeth for a week, but I'm the bully who needs to rethink their online persona? Look SJG, I don't know if your inability to comprehend your role in this conversation is due to a chemical imbalance, or because you're somewhere on the autism spectrum with something like HFA or Aspergers (I'd bet big money on the latter), but I called you out once on something that you said that came across as a creepy regardless of your intent. Get over it.
I have no permanent beef with you and you're eccentric posts. If it gets your rocks off to keep coming at me like a cyberbully under the false guise of a tough ass who refuses to be some imaginary victim, go for it. Or simply ignore me. Either way, just get it all out of your system and then grow the fuck the up.
@Ishmael- LMAO. I simply think a Honda Accord is a shitty car, it has nothing to do with what society thinks, social status, human worth lol. Lots of people love Honda Accords, I don't, I'm just speaking for myself. I think T-Mobile is a shitty phone service provider, I'm not saying people who have T-Mobile phones are poor lol. I'm not saying people who have Honda Accords are poor, I'm simply saying I don't like the car. Obviously the 80 years thing was a joke. Comprehende?
Nina's grandiose bets are the same as the other allegations of cyber tough guy personas. Silly online bluffing and strutting that could never occur irl. I would be more than happy to accept Ninas bet if I thought she was good for it AND if there were anyone I trusted enough to hold the money. I don't think she's good for it, and i'm not trusting anyone I don't know with $20,000. But if she wants to drag her slutty ass on down to Florida, since she's so damn rich, I might take the time to look at and disprove her abundance of what I expect to be hilariously badly faked evidence.
a21985 wrote,
"You're making veiled threats online against some one who would make shit out your teeth for a week"
No, you are the one who is online just because you know you can be belligerent and threatening in ways you would never get away with f2f. I would not tolerate you f2f, and no one else would either.
And about your stupid stuff about autism or brain chemical imbalances, that is just more belligerence, Never would be tolerated f2f.
And with your whole "cyber tough guy" accusations, gammanut, you ARE aware that posters on this board have met me IRL, correct? Have any of the posters here met YOU?
You silly little girl. One little jab and you fly off the handle. You prove to everyone that you have ZERO self-esteem with your outbursts. It is truly entertaining. To address your non sequitur- is this like Schroedingers cat? Since you are unaware of anyone who has observed me, I exist in all possible states at once? Maybe I'm a bot, and my making fun of you is like a reverse Turing test?
You really need some counseling, because you are one damaged bitch.
a21985, is there any reason you are online except to be the kind of jackass that no one would tolerate f2f? I certainly can't see any such other reason.
While commenting on the topic is totally off topic for this thread, I have never sat in the parking lot watching dancers drive up and enter the club. I have been driving by clubs while headed elsewhere, and seen a girl walking in who was hot enough to make me postpone my current plans, bust a u-turn, and go into the club. I never see them cone out of the back room after that. Like the hotter they are walking in ,the longer they take to get ready once there.
I also have never sat in strip club parking lots, or anywhere nearby, to watch girls. I don't violate their privacy. But, it does sometimes happen that one does see them, and it is interesting. And that was all I said.
@SJG said: "But I also don't let people make trouble for me f2f. If they try it, they very quickly will live to regret it."
Okay, I'll bite. What exactly does that mean? I mean, you've said something similar to a bunch of people here now. Stop being creepy passive aggressive guy making pouty oblique threats.
Tell us... what exactly would happen if we all magically wound up in the same front room while you were in between make-out sessions?
I have run into dancers I know in the parking lot and in a temporary parking lot on the interstate. One dancer I remember had car damage. She called out my name when she saw me. Same with two dancers one night while I was walking down the middle of the I85 one night.
As far as shitty cars go, even If I were a millionaire I think I would still drive an old car to a strip club unless I hired paid security to monitor the vehicle because I don't trust strip clubs to do much. Im wondering if I can become a millionaire before our government goes on a wealth destruction crusade taxing everyone to death or printing money like crazy to pay everyone their social security, Medicare, Medicaid, etc. 98 trillion dollars can grow on trees but if our government pays out that much, the money may not be worth more than the paper. We may need to be multi billionaires to have enough to get by.
I'm shocked that this thread has 111 replies, but I have to admit the meandering discussion is pretty ace!
Seriously though, just taking a step back and people watching can sometimes be fun (if done in a non-creepy way). However, I'm not sure how entertained I'd be doing that as a club.
In a place like a park you can be entertained by weirdos and the occasional pretty girl wearing surprisingly little. But at the club you watch the girls it could move into creepy territory. And there are also guys coming and going, some of which may not want to be watched.
"To address your non sequitur- is this like Schroedingers cat? Since you are unaware of anyone who has observed me, I exist in all possible states at once? Maybe I'm a bot, and my making fun of you is like a reverse Turing test?"
Gammanut you're stupid as shit. Actually shit. You're something someone shitted out after a night of too many beers.
Um... I don't think you understand the Schrödinger's* cat thought experiment (yeah you spelled it all wrong, no surprises there). By Schrödinger's logic, you do not exist in all forms (wtf?), you are in a box and can be thought of as dead and alive until one opens the box to find out if you are in fact dead or alive. But at least you and I agree that you live in a box.
"You really need some counseling, because you are one damaged bitch."
Why, because I tell the truth about myself and my life and it all sounds so good to you that you accuse me of lying about it? YOU HAVE ALSO ACCUSED ME OF BEING A CATFISH, hence me creating a thread called "do I exist?" because apparently you thought I was too awesome to actually be who I say I am, then other members of the board confirmed I am real and not a "catfish." It really hurts your soul doesn't it?
Go back to your box in your Florida swamp you fucking dumbass. You are beneath me, peasant.
a21985, as far as I can see, the only reason you are online is because you can be beligerant without consequences. No one would put up with you f2f. I certainly wouldn/t.
Maybe gammanut was just too lazy to use the diaeresis, or he just wanted to Anericanize it (would not surprise me), but one would think when another person is talking about a regarded physicist, he would spell his name the correct way.
Either way he doesn't know shit about the thought experiment he is talking about and I think that's been exemplified perfectly by what he said about it. Especially since the fact that said physicist was saying that it was impossible. Hence paradox.
^^^^^^^^ Ishmael and a21985, you are the ones who are being belligerent, and this is the reason you are online, because no one would put up with you f2f. I certainly would not put up with either of you f2f.
F2f is where people know that they won't get away with being belligerent. Some people are drawn to online because they know that the worst that could happen to them is breaking a fingernail on their plastic keyboard.
Back on topic, i've been in the lot or walking into a club when a dancer was arriving to work and shocked at how plain and frumpy some of them look before they go in and get their costume and makeup on. Then again some of them still look plain and frumpy after the fact too.
a21985, I don't know what you want. You are already far into territory that neither I nor anyone else would tolerate f2f. But you do it online because the worst which can happen to you is to break a finger nail on the plastic keys.
Could you, would you, with a goat?
Could you, would you, in a boat?
You would not tolerate me f2f,
So you say.
Try it! Try it!
And you may.
Try to tolerate me and you may I say.
I think gaymanu was thinking of Everett's many worlds interpretation of QM. The cat's alive in some universes, dead in others. When the box is opened the opener finds out what universe they are in.
Going with Copenhagen: the cat is neither alive nor dead (i.e. neither of the eigenvectors) until the observer opens up the box. The state is some combination of eigenvectors with complex coefficients until then. Opening the box forces the system into one of its eigenvectors.
^^^ I actually believe that not SJG & gramma nut case have a psychological disorder known as "Idealigical Necrophelia" that is a love of dead political ideologies.
@dougster - I'm not sure about that. I don't think anything in Copenhagen's intepretation says that it would be neither state. I thought that interpretation says the cat is in all potential states when in the box, and rather than forcing a state at that singular point as you say, when the actual observation takes places, the states actually collapse into on each other.
a21985: "In all possible states" is kind of misleading. If E_1 is the alive state and E_2 is the dead state, then it will be in a state which is a linear combination of these:
a_1 * E_1 + a_2 E_2
Where a_1 and a_2 are complex number. I should say non-zero complex numbers. To be "alive" or "dead" exact one of these would have to be zero and the other would have to be one. Which is what happens when the box is opened.
So saying "it is in both states" is loose. It's talking about the complex addition of vectors in the Hilbert space, which is the state. That state however, is not equal to either E_1 or E_2 until the box is opened.
Also if you try and say it has some probability of being in state E_1 or E_2 at some time before opening, it also turns out that is mathematically impossible. It can't be described with classical probabilites: i.e. real numbers. You need the complex numbers, which is why intuition gets you nowhere when thinking about QM. IMO, it's best to either go with Everett or only try and understand it mathematically. :-)
Actually to be more exact, some QM systems could be setup to have real a_1 and a_2, but in general, they won't. I haven't looked at Schroedinger's cat in quite a while, so maybe it is one of those specially setup systems.
@dougster - I've always approached Schroendingers cat philosophically, never through equations like it deserves since it quantam physics, not philosophy. I'll have to read up on it after you've shared some of the parts of it I've willfully avoided. Great stuff.
@ishmael - I'm assuming its Aspergers, the behaviors and the loops he gets himself stuck seem more than coincidental. If it's not that or HFA, he's either psychotic, or the greatest troll ever.
This thread has certainly veered off in strange and unexpected directions!
How many times can SJG say "I wouldn't tolerate you f2f" in the same thread? Cut him some slack, folks -- he's not playing with a full deck. Seriously!
Nina, though I'm basically on your side in your little tiff with gamma, it is picky to criticize his spelling of Schroedinger. Even Germans often substitute "oe" for o-umlaut if their keyboard lacks that character.
Larry, you and I have very different understandings of a shitty car!
"Nina, though I'm basically on your side in your little tiff with gamma, it is picky to criticize his spelling of Schroedinger."
Well when he mentions a regarded physicist, and doesn't even get the fucking experiment correct, I think I can criticize whatever I want to, especially since he is incapable of directing a comment to me without calling me an ignorant slut or a lying whore. Oh, and also accused me of using the word "pretentious" incorrectly when I used it in its correct context. He cannot even use apostrophes where they belong in possessive contexts and doesn't know what the fuck he is talking about yet has the audacity to call ME the ignorant one. I will continue to embarrass him, since he continues to attack me personally.
Proving her ignorance, Nina completely misunderstood Schroedinger's cat. Its not an experiment. No one has actually locked a cat in a box with the potentially lethal device, et al. It was Schroedinger attacking the theory that photons act as waves when they are not being observed, and collapse into particles when observed. She had never even heard of Schroedinger until I mentioned him here, at which point she spent all night without googling it. Her pussy is so wet for me, I can smell the yeast infection from Florida.
I think Nina meant "thought experiment". And they have done decoherence experiments in situations which get the gist of Schroedginer's "paradox" without using actual cats. :-)
"Proving her ignorance, Nina completely misunderstood Schroedinger's cat. Its not an experiment. No one has actually locked a cat in a box with the potentially lethal device, et al."
Proving your ignorance, you do not even know that an experiment does not have to be tangible to be an experiment. That is why Schrödinger's Cat is an actual THOUGHT experiment. He was a physicist for Christ's sake. And his whole premise was that Copenhagen's experiment was false. You can pretend that my pussy is wet for you, which is just you copying me because I said that you had a boner for me, when even that particular accusation of yours is false and confusing. I did not even speak to you on this thread until you started talking about me using the word "pretentious" incorrectly, when in fact I had used it in it's correct context, as others have pointed out. And contrary to your lies, I actually learn about these things from school or from textbooks or both. You know, one of the main reasons people go to school is to learn things.
I don't give a fuck about you, you are always the one attacking my posts. And if I had a wet pussy for you, you would be desperately licking that shit up clearly because I'm beginning to think one of the reasons you hate me so much is because you know you will never actually get a chance to actually lick my pussy.
This is so fucking infantile. I'm not even going to respond with examples of why you're lady-wood for me is out of control. I'm going to ignore you same reasons I've ignored randomloser and the porchmonkey: other TUSCL users deserve better than these stupid little arguments. I am better than these stupid little arguments. That's all I'm going to say about it. You can have the last word, but I won't see it.
It's funny, this thread made me let go of Nina, bit it might reinstate SJG. How long, rambling, nonsense posts seemed like a waste of time, so I eliminated them from my feed. But after reading only half the arguments, I had to log off to read what he was responding with. Fucking hilarious! I may take him off ignore just for the entertainment value.
Awww, after initiating "insults" and starting an argument with me like he always does, and ending up coming across as a laughable fool like he always does, wittle gammanut finally puts me on ignore.
Bitch, bitch, little bitch. I made gammanut my bitch.
I'll say it again: nothing good happens in strip club parking lots! Video-game-playing, drug-using boyfriends drop off strippers, who look scary on their way to the dressing room, and who later go back to the parking lot to blow their dealers, who may or may not be their boyfriends . . .
@SJG said: "... would not be allowed to do that f2f."
You *still* haven't explained what that means. What specific actions would you take to "not allow" me or anyone else to get away with our belligerence?
Or, do we simply have you wrapped up in an Asperger's OCD loop (with a side of creepy)?
@SJG - I gotta be honest here SJG. I would. There's nothing he's said in all of this that I would think is outta of question to say to something in person or online. It's you and your looping, your avoidance of answering simple questions, your apparent disconnect from reality, your vague threats and concerning non-sequitors, etc...that would not, per your words, be tolerated f2f.
If you were family, friend, acquitance, etc... of mine and spouted the stuff you did around me, I'd let authorities know so you could get the help you need...unless you were to let me know you had HFA or Aspergers, which in that case, I'd change my approach to accomodate how you communicate.
a21985, you must know that no one would tolerate you f2f. I certainly would not. So you must then just be posting here to be troll, someone who just wants to be belligerent.
Ishmael, your really are an idiot. You must know that f2f when dealing with belligerents, if they are in some place that they do not have an explicit right to be, then the full gamut of options for dealing with them is always on the table.
You Ishmael are only posting here because you like to be a belligerent while hiding behind the Internet.
Mr. SJG - I just have to say, if you really don't have Aspergers, you are the greatest troll ever. But seriously, I'm concerned for the safety of anyone around you...at least the people you haven't stuffed yet because you couldn't tolerate them F2F.
Ishmael, you useless troll. You know that the only reason your are posting here is that there is no consequence. F2f dealing with belligerents, not someplace they have a specific right to be, they get removed. Eventually, if it is a serious problem, they will be handed over to police. We are after all a civilized society.
But I have also found that in some cases it is better if I first make the belligerents understand that I would prefer to deal with them myself. I give much more effective warnings than police do. If the belligerents do not heed this, then it could escalate.
Ishmael, go jerk off or something. That would be far more constructive than what you are doing here. F2f belligerents get dealt with, using whatever level of means are necessary. I see no reason to enumerate these, as I hold them in reserve for when a situation warrants deploying them.
Suffice to say, I am not a person who goes looking for trouble. That would be stupid. But I also no that sometimes defense is necessary. And I am not someone interested in bar fights. No, I am someone who solves problems, permanently.
a21985, You are only posting here, and only talking about things like autism, because you know that there is no consequence. You are being a troll and a belligerent here because no sane person would act like you f2f.
a21985 and Ishmael, each of you is only posting here because it is online, so you can't be stopped. You use this online venue, simply to do what you could not do f2f, because you would be dealt with. You are good for nothing useless trolls, each of you.
People do not get to do what you two are doing f2f. the problems is solved, and solved permanently. And you each know that, but yet you continue to be belligerent here.
SJG - you're right, people don't do what I'm doing f2f, because people can't share dancing aerobic gifs in person. Speaking of, here's another one for you!
a21985, you are being a belligerent troll here because no one would let you do this f2f, I certainly would not. I would deal with you and make sure you would not be coming back.
My grandparents emigrated from Germany in the mid 1920s. Both of them regularly substituted "oe" for "ö", especially in cursive. And there didn't seem to be any "rule" about it, either. The same word used twice might have it one way, and then the other. This in correspondence with *other* German immigrants.
Now, to Nina'a point, when a proper name contained an umlaut, they almost exclusively used one. But even that was out of politeness, and not because it was the "correct" way.
Because I practiced with them, my high school German teacher despaired of purging their more guttural southern dialect and idiom from my German. She never did completely succeed. :)
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And yeah, seeing her family probably changes things. Seems like it would make you guys a bit more hesitant to get dances/VIPs with her
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How about this, Bob Hope's home in Palm Springs.
http://www.hgtv.com/design/celebrity/tou…
http://www.latimes.com/business/realesta…
I first saw pictures of this in Architectural Digest many years ago. Seemed to me it was like building a house on top of the front porch awning. Curious. But they had all sorts of white sofas outside. To do that you need to have servants to put that stuff away when the weather changes. Also need a large lot to maintain some privacy.
But overall, looking at more of it now, more of it outdoor space than indoor space, I do like it.
Bob Hope, born in England
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There's a small-black club that is sorta my go-to spot but I don't have a fave club per se - I often like to hit it on Sat or Su afternoons since the dancer lineup can be pretty-good w/ weekend part-time dancers adding to the regular crew. I like to hit the club around 4 pm b/c a mid-shift comes-in starting at that time thru about 6 pm thus adding to the dayshift girl #s - it's a small club and the dressing-room is diagonally across the entrance of the club so one sees pretty-much every dancer that comes-in since she has to walk from one end of the main-room to the other - I get a PL-rush when I see a stacked thick ebony coming into the club that I can't wait to see or get my hands-on once she hits the floor.
CP
Comment #1: "I like watching girls in parking lots. But not just in strip clubs. But I have to keep it within reason. And especially in strip clubs, the girls likely won't want to be observed."
Logical Intepretation: You like to watch girls in any parking lot, even though you know they don't like to be watched, and you're self-concious of how obvious it is when you do so. That's kind of weird and creepy. I personally do not enjoy just sitting round in cars watching girls in parking lots, the fact in creeps out women is the exact reason I do not enjoy it.
SJG comment #2: "a21985, respecting that women might not want to be watched, and especially showing up to work in a strip club is creepy, and serial killer level creepy? What sort of a dick head you must be."
Logical intepretation: You either knowingly, or through social ineptitude assume that the serial killer like tendacy I got of your last post was the part where you acknowledge girls don't like to be stalked. You completely ignore the other half of your previous post that is the actually creepy part, you know, the part where you said you enjoy just watching girls in parking lots.
But yeah, I'm the dickhead. I thought you were just loopy, but man are you disconnected from reality and living in your own made up world.
CP
On the odd occasion when I've walked into a club at the same time as a dancer, the revelation can be positive or negative. But yeah, it's interesting to not see them in their stripper persona.
DUIs, or a sugar-daddy taking it back
20 minutes later I had one in VIP.
a21985 wrote, "Logical Intepretation: You like to watch girls in any parking lot, even though you know they don't like to be watched, and you're self-concious of how obvious it is when you do so. That's kind of weird and creepy. I personally do not enjoy just sitting round in cars watching girls in parking lots, the fact in creeps out women is the exact reason I do not enjoy it."
a21985, you are totally FULL OF SHIT! All I was saying is that I sometimes see girls in parking lots and I like to take notice. But I keep it in moderation because I know that otherwise they would notice and take offense. You are dumping all sorts of your own SHIT on top of what I said.
a21985 wrote, "Logical intepretation: You either knowingly, or through social ineptitude assume that the serial killer like tendacy I got of your last post was the part where you acknowledge girls don't like to be stalked. You completely ignore the other half of your previous post that is the actually creepy part, you know, the part where you said you enjoy just watching girls in parking lots."
Again, a21985, you are not just a dickhead moron, you are just a belligerent creep, another Internet tough guy.
Actually my own observation is that how much girls want to be looked at depends entirely on how a guy is dressed. But even given that, it is not right to make them feel uncomfortable.
Chili Palmer wrote, "Paying for front room make-out sessions is a chump's game. The real pros stalk a dancer in the parking lot and have a front *seat* make out session. "
Chili, In case you have ever read anything I have posted, you will see that I never have talked about paying from front room make-out sessions. The whole reason for doing it in the front room is to decouple the money from what happens. The money is just a show of respect and never used to try and negotiate her into anything. That way she gets the best of both, money, and being treated like a civilian. And that is the way it needs to be if you want to have good experiences with her outside.
What Subraman said is correct, unless they really know you well, "No stripper wants to be spotted by the PLs before she's ready."
SJG
I think this is Karlie Kloss
http://www.hawtcelebs.com/wp-content/upl…
http://www.hawtcelebs.com/wp-content/upl…
Also notice:
https://www.topspeed.com/cars/car-news/w…
They have some sort of a wide body kit option. I assume for wider tires. But I was at a classic Mopar show this weekend. Wider would look better. But they've also now got 800hp.
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Seriously dude, I'm not dougster trolling you, I pick on absolutely no one on this site more than playful ribbing, and I in general keep to myself. Take off your SJG goggles, take a step back and really try to see how creepy the shit you say can be taken (right or wrong, regardless of your intent). Just trying to help you out, playa.
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As for watching them when they come to work? Hell yeah. I'm often at clubs around shift change, and it's hella interesting to seen them transform. Not always good, but usually interesting.
Why is it that you get into so many fights on the discussion board SJG? It must be everyone else is deranged and you're the righteous one, right SJG?
I don't know if you can even figure yourself out, SJG. I'm sure as hell certain of that.
Unless you really know them well, or unless they really want you to know them well. One K. calling out to me from her car in other places and getting an arm around my neck while she is still in the car and nuzzling.
SJG
And a21985, do you get away with stuff like this anywhere except online? I can't imagine how that would be.
SJG
You sound like a creepy lunatic, and your failure to reread your posts and recognize that poses no threat to me, but is most troubling for those who actually do have to be within arm's reach of you.
https://www.homeofpoi.com/images/Medium/…
Only way to shut you up. Think about it.
SJG
Blaze is a dive; so not surprised they cut-corners w/ the food-preparation since dives seem to cut corners on many things.
AFAIK Blaze does not have a kitchen - the report mentions the handling of lemons and fruits which are probably used for the drinks. At Blaze at night there is usually a guy outside w/ a grill selling burgers and sausage-sandwiches.
I think it was either Deja Vu 2 or Rocafella's that also got cited about a year ago and in that case I think even forced to shut down till they got things in order so it must have been pretty-bad in that case.
I get the feeling most SCs would have violations w.r.t. food-handling if they all got checked often enough - handling lemons/limes w/ bare-hands seems to be a common occurrence but it's a violation.
SJG
You should learn to read.
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:)
Now there is this one girl at Oasis who's pimp drops her off, thats a big turn off. I feel like she has to "Sell a bottle" (VIP), I have a feeling she dosen't get to keep any of that money.
When I'm coming in or leaving the strip club the parking lot helps me to guage which have a boyfriend or significant other. Also helps to see who really has their stuff together or has a good hustle. As larryfisherman mentioned they look better in the club. I usually see alot of cab catching at the club I frequent most.
I drive a 12 yr old vehicle which looks worse than half of strippers' cars, but it drives like new and nonpayments. I could buy 5 new luxury cars today with cash, but prefer people see me as a broke ass pl. nobody thinks to rob.
Then she lapsed into more strippershit about having millionaire relatives. Just another Friday on TUSCL.
gamma, what in the world was wrong with Nina's use of the word pretentious? Just because you disagree with someone's political views doesn't mean you have to find fault where there isn't any.
????
I assume you are exaggerating, but...
1. Who, in their right mind, wants to buy a car that will fall apart quickly?
2. 80 year old cars are awesome. Who doesn't see a 1930's car in good condition and give it respect?
3. You are a douche. I just had to add that or my post wouldn't be complete.
Multimillionaire* relatives. One has been a producer and writer for multiple primetime tv dramas, and my aunt is a "dating expert," was a host on a tv show about dating (yes I was actually able to watch her on tv), and has written books about dating advice that you can find on the shelves of major book stores. If you knew my uncle's name you could literally google him - that is exactly what I did to find out his net worth because I'm not rude enough to ask.
My grandpa (not biological) is probably a millionaire as well. He is a very frugal retired pediatrician. He lives here in Michigan and has tons of money and drives a Corolla. Lol.
MrDeuce, you know you're not going to get a sensible answer from him on that question. He is deluded.
I myself drive an 03 Suburban that has paint chipped off everywhere and I absolutely love it.
I have nothing against Nina personally, I just tease her because she put out the challenge and it's fun to read her replies.
I do think I may have pissed her off though.
Gammanut if you think I'm lying about my multimillionaire relatives who do live in LA I am willing to bet you if you are up to the challenge. I will bet you $10,000 that I am telling the truth, and I will give a 10% cut to a Detroiter here on this board who would like to come into my club for the sole purpose of me showing them an abundance of evidence proving who my aunt and uncle are, along with my uncle's net worth. I doubt you can even afford to bet 10k but if you want to keep calling me a liar about it, I will prove you wrong and write you a check for 10k if I am lying. Apparently my life and my family's life seems so awesome to you that you refuse to believe it, so are you willing to make that bet?
I am.
No, you are online because you know that the worst thing that could happen to you for being beligerant is to get your hang nail caught between the plastic keys.
Ch3ll, no, you are still full of shit. I don't hang out in parking lots to watch people. And especially with strippers, I know that their cars and their street clothes are part of their private world. But following the OP, sometimes one ends up seeing some of it.
Once a Hip Hugger girl was sitting in her pickup truck, and having an argument with her boyfriend. She called out to me, otherwise I would not have even noticed her. Another one made a u turn to come up next to me while I was on foot, and to get her arm around me and nuzzle. It happens. But I have never tried to observe strippers in their cars, in their street clothes, or in parking lots. And I have never posted anything, particularly on this thread, otherwise. If you want someone to shit on, find someone else, because I for one am not going to take it passively. And as you must understand, you are here online simply so you can be a jack ass like you never could f2f.
SJG
Occultism and Ayn Rand?
http://www.llewellyn.com/blog/2014/05/ay…
http://www.salon.com/2016/11/05/the-ayn-…
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/pantheon/20…
:-(
I thought I had that title, or am I not quite as obsessed?
Nina's use of the term is not incorrect, but a more accurate description of Larry's statement would be that he's a snob (a pejorative term for a person who believes there is a correlation between material possessions / social status and human worth.) or simply judgemental and superficial.
If Larry was in the club making it sound like he drives an Audi, but he is later seen exiting the parking lot in a Honda Accord, then that's a better example of pretension.
I know that you're all baiting each other and this hardly matters, but there you go.
I have no permanent beef with you and you're eccentric posts. If it gets your rocks off to keep coming at me like a cyberbully under the false guise of a tough ass who refuses to be some imaginary victim, go for it. Or simply ignore me. Either way, just get it all out of your system and then grow the fuck the up.
"You're making veiled threats online against some one who would make shit out your teeth for a week"
No, you are the one who is online just because you know you can be belligerent and threatening in ways you would never get away with f2f. I would not tolerate you f2f, and no one else would either.
And about your stupid stuff about autism or brain chemical imbalances, that is just more belligerence, Never would be tolerated f2f.
SJG
You really need some counseling, because you are one damaged bitch.
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SJG
Don't u have anything better to do?
Papi to post on whether he likes Eichlers in 3... 2... 1...
SJG
Too many trolls on this thread.
SJG
Okay, I'll bite. What exactly does that mean? I mean, you've said something similar to a bunch of people here now. Stop being creepy passive aggressive guy making pouty oblique threats.
Tell us... what exactly would happen if we all magically wound up in the same front room while you were in between make-out sessions?
You are here posting on this board, being the kind of belligerent which would never be tolerated f2f.
SJG
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As far as shitty cars go, even If I were a millionaire I think I would still drive an old car to a strip club unless I hired paid security to monitor the vehicle because I don't trust strip clubs to do much. Im wondering if I can become a millionaire before our government goes on a wealth destruction crusade taxing everyone to death or printing money like crazy to pay everyone their social security, Medicare, Medicaid, etc. 98 trillion dollars can grow on trees but if our government pays out that much, the money may not be worth more than the paper. We may need to be multi billionaires to have enough to get by.
Seriously though, just taking a step back and people watching can sometimes be fun (if done in a non-creepy way). However, I'm not sure how entertained I'd be doing that as a club.
In a place like a park you can be entertained by weirdos and the occasional pretty girl wearing surprisingly little. But at the club you watch the girls it could move into creepy territory. And there are also guys coming and going, some of which may not want to be watched.
Gammanut you're stupid as shit. Actually shit. You're something someone shitted out after a night of too many beers.
Um... I don't think you understand the Schrödinger's* cat thought experiment (yeah you spelled it all wrong, no surprises there). By Schrödinger's logic, you do not exist in all forms (wtf?), you are in a box and can be thought of as dead and alive until one opens the box to find out if you are in fact dead or alive. But at least you and I agree that you live in a box.
"You really need some counseling, because you are one damaged bitch."
Why, because I tell the truth about myself and my life and it all sounds so good to you that you accuse me of lying about it? YOU HAVE ALSO ACCUSED ME OF BEING A CATFISH, hence me creating a thread called "do I exist?" because apparently you thought I was too awesome to actually be who I say I am, then other members of the board confirmed I am real and not a "catfish." It really hurts your soul doesn't it?
Go back to your box in your Florida swamp you fucking dumbass. You are beneath me, peasant.
I win, you lose.
NinaB, glad to see you back.
SJG
Either way he doesn't know shit about the thought experiment he is talking about and I think that's been exemplified perfectly by what he said about it. Especially since the fact that said physicist was saying that it was impossible. Hence paradox.
Pot, meet Kettle. Kettle, I'd like to formally introduce you to Pot.
SJG
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Irony is looking up the definition of oblivious and seeing a picture of the creep with a self important all knowing look on his face. Oblivious!
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You still haven't explained what that means.
You Ishmael are online because you are getting to be the kind of jerk no one would tolerate f2f.
SJG
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I can see the future too, this is you around 3pm tomorrow.
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Could you, would you, with a goat?
Could you, would you, in a boat?
You would not tolerate me f2f,
So you say.
Try it! Try it!
And you may.
Try to tolerate me and you may I say.
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I think gaymanu was thinking of Everett's many worlds interpretation of QM. The cat's alive in some universes, dead in others. When the box is opened the opener finds out what universe they are in.
Going with Copenhagen: the cat is neither alive nor dead (i.e. neither of the eigenvectors) until the observer opens up the box. The state is some combination of eigenvectors with complex coefficients until then. Opening the box forces the system into one of its eigenvectors.
Either way, it's fascinating stuff.
You *still* haven't explained what that means. 'Dealt with' specifically how?
Or, do we simply have you wrapped up in an Asperger's OCD loop (with a side of creepy)?
a_1 * E_1 + a_2 E_2
Where a_1 and a_2 are complex number. I should say non-zero complex numbers. To be "alive" or "dead" exact one of these would have to be zero and the other would have to be one. Which is what happens when the box is opened.
So saying "it is in both states" is loose. It's talking about the complex addition of vectors in the Hilbert space, which is the state. That state however, is not equal to either E_1 or E_2 until the box is opened.
Also if you try and say it has some probability of being in state E_1 or E_2 at some time before opening, it also turns out that is mathematically impossible. It can't be described with classical probabilites: i.e. real numbers. You need the complex numbers, which is why intuition gets you nowhere when thinking about QM. IMO, it's best to either go with Everett or only try and understand it mathematically. :-)
@ishmael - I'm assuming its Aspergers, the behaviors and the loops he gets himself stuck seem more than coincidental. If it's not that or HFA, he's either psychotic, or the greatest troll ever.
How many times can SJG say "I wouldn't tolerate you f2f" in the same thread? Cut him some slack, folks -- he's not playing with a full deck. Seriously!
Nina, though I'm basically on your side in your little tiff with gamma, it is picky to criticize his spelling of Schroedinger. Even Germans often substitute "oe" for o-umlaut if their keyboard lacks that character.
Larry, you and I have very different understandings of a shitty car!
Well when he mentions a regarded physicist, and doesn't even get the fucking experiment correct, I think I can criticize whatever I want to, especially since he is incapable of directing a comment to me without calling me an ignorant slut or a lying whore. Oh, and also accused me of using the word "pretentious" incorrectly when I used it in its correct context. He cannot even use apostrophes where they belong in possessive contexts and doesn't know what the fuck he is talking about yet has the audacity to call ME the ignorant one. I will continue to embarrass him, since he continues to attack me personally.
But thanks for being on my side.
Are you sure? I wouldn't put it past SJG.
Proving your ignorance, you do not even know that an experiment does not have to be tangible to be an experiment. That is why Schrödinger's Cat is an actual THOUGHT experiment. He was a physicist for Christ's sake. And his whole premise was that Copenhagen's experiment was false. You can pretend that my pussy is wet for you, which is just you copying me because I said that you had a boner for me, when even that particular accusation of yours is false and confusing. I did not even speak to you on this thread until you started talking about me using the word "pretentious" incorrectly, when in fact I had used it in it's correct context, as others have pointed out. And contrary to your lies, I actually learn about these things from school or from textbooks or both. You know, one of the main reasons people go to school is to learn things.
I don't give a fuck about you, you are always the one attacking my posts. And if I had a wet pussy for you, you would be desperately licking that shit up clearly because I'm beginning to think one of the reasons you hate me so much is because you know you will never actually get a chance to actually lick my pussy.
Bitch, bitch, little bitch. I made gammanut my bitch.
Not to mention shadowcat's famous 2AMers!
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SJG
Sean Spicer
https://www.thewrap.com/wp-content/uploa…
James Coomey, 6'8" tall
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Come…
Trump is deep into Watergate Territory:
https://www.democracynow.org/2017/5/15/d…
Stop Jeff Sessions from Escalating the Racist War on Drugs:
https://www.democracynow.org/2017/5/15/n…
What you don't have are answers.
SJG
You *still* haven't explained what that means. What specific actions would you take to "not allow" me or anyone else to get away with our belligerence?
Or, do we simply have you wrapped up in an Asperger's OCD loop (with a side of creepy)?
You have no idea how to spell the word 'face'.
SJG
If you were family, friend, acquitance, etc... of mine and spouted the stuff you did around me, I'd let authorities know so you could get the help you need...unless you were to let me know you had HFA or Aspergers, which in that case, I'd change my approach to accomodate how you communicate.
SJG
What are you so afraid of that you can't answer a simple question?
What exact actions would you take?
You Ishmael are only posting here because you like to be a belligerent while hiding behind the Internet.
SJG
Such as?
http://i.imgur.com/H7SS3lP.jpg
But I have also found that in some cases it is better if I first make the belligerents understand that I would prefer to deal with them myself. I give much more effective warnings than police do. If the belligerents do not heed this, then it could escalate.
Ishmael, go jerk off or something. That would be far more constructive than what you are doing here. F2f belligerents get dealt with, using whatever level of means are necessary. I see no reason to enumerate these, as I hold them in reserve for when a situation warrants deploying them.
Suffice to say, I am not a person who goes looking for trouble. That would be stupid. But I also no that sometimes defense is necessary. And I am not someone interested in bar fights. No, I am someone who solves problems, permanently.
SJG
SJG
http://upandhumming.com/wp-content/uploa…
OOOoooOOOoooOOOooohhhh....
Permanently ... how?
People do not get to do what you two are doing f2f. the problems is solved, and solved permanently. And you each know that, but yet you continue to be belligerent here.
SJG
On second thought this thread is close to 200 comments, I've never seen a thread with 200+ comments. Let's get it to 200. Keep up the arguing!!
https://i.makeagif.com/media/3-08-2014/v…
SJG
But it proves that you are not understanding me. Not interested in besting people in fist fights.
SJG
So, exactly how do you "best" people, and make them go away permanently?
https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static…
Now, to Nina'a point, when a proper name contained an umlaut, they almost exclusively used one. But even that was out of politeness, and not because it was the "correct" way.
Because I practiced with them, my high school German teacher despaired of purging their more guttural southern dialect and idiom from my German. She never did completely succeed. :)
How can you do that? If you got them banned, couldn't they just create a new alias?