Nowadays at my favorite extras club (i.e., mid-level strip club with an extras-friendly day shift), I don't even ask for extras or negotiate any particular "services". With my regulars, of course, I know what to expect in the VIP room. With new girls, I try to establish enough rapport during a considerable time of drinking and chatting that the VIP will be a satisfying experience regardless of the details. At this particular club, these details can range from HJ to TF, to CBJ to BBBJ, and in some cases to FS (though I don't partake), but I'm essentially never disappointed. The key is to know some of the girls and to get to know a new girl before committing $150 for 30 minutes.
This worked exceedingly well with my ATF, with whom I spent an afternoon last April just drinking and talking before taking her the next afternoon to the VIP room, where we engaged in 69 the first time -- and every time thereafter, including on many OTC dates. It also worked well on my most recent visit a few weeks ago, when I chatted with a new girl for a while, did a couple of very hands-on lappers, and then graduated to the VIP room, where she provided the best HJ of my life -- all without negotiating details.
It can feel awkward to just ask for a blowjob or to fuck when one does not know a dancer.
If IDK a dancer I'll ask "do you do VIP" - most dancers know VIP means extras - either they'll say yes or "yes but I don't have sex" - if they just answer yes then I specify what I want - they are used to being asked for sex, it's kinda part of the job.
Letting girls sell you dances is a chumps game. Make it happen with her in the front room. That way you can lead it. Get a makeout session going with her. Then you invite her to the back room when it is time for your own pants to come down. Then take her home with you to continue.
^^^ You've seem to got your script down to the tee SJG. What would you say is the ratio, or % success rate per club visit?
I would look for a system to replace Rickyboy's 33% threshold, otherwise it's a white 3 piece suit for me. Nah just kidding. My sweatshirt and sweatpants work well for my body style.
At our local clubs you cannot do things like that.
In San Francisco, most of the time the clubs have been tightly controlled clip joints, wanna dance places. But prior to that, no problem. Wonderful time making out with this extremely cute black girl I was going to invite to lunch, but then she ducked into New Century. Today, with the 4 unbranded no alcohol DeJa Vu clubs, remains to be seen.
In our underground circuit, that is supposedly prohibited. But in fact it happens. If a girl wants you for OTC, she will do what it takes to make that known. And actually the same in the strictly controlled clubs. And then when clubs have been slated for closure, like Club Ante, San Mateo, no problem.
And then in AMPs no problem, but better in San Francisco.
It all comes down to just treating the girl with respect.
And in online accounts of dives, this is standard practice, as it is in TJ.
In the club I used to go to, I could walk in early in the afternoon and simply ask in a loud voice, "OK, who wants to f*ck in the VIP for $50?". Sometimes I got a taker, and sometimes I got escorted out.
Usually, I do some sort of modified Papi. Where, I will ask about VIP and let the dancer explain pricing (if I don't already know). If she doesn't open the door to discussing extras at that point, I'll ask "What kind of VIP do you offer?". Sometimes, she'll reply with a price list for extras, or she'll reply that she gives a great dance (but no extras), or she'll ask "What kind of VIP dance do you want?" To this I'll either say, "The sort of dance that includes sex." or "How much detail do you need?" (depending on the level of familiarity and whether or not I get the sense that the dancer's guard is up)
That dialogue may get cut down by a lot in an extras club. But, in an unfamiliar setting with an unfamiliar dancer, what's above gets me the information I need without ruffling feathers.
Papi Chulo says "It can feel awkward to just ask for a blowjob or to fuck when one does not know a dancer."
i agree totally.
i had gotten dances from my CF over several different visits. and then about a month ago or so, i got extras from her for the very first time. and on the night that it happened, she was asking me "what do you want to do?" and so i was sorta hesitant to say what i wanted from her---because i didn't know she was an extras girl. she thought i was being shy---but like chulo said---its not exactly easy to just ask for it because not ALL dancers do those things.
but now that i know she'll do extras and shit........its easier to just say what i want
My last foray into my former favorite club was highlighted by a dancer, new to me, who knew me. She asked about my ATF and I said I hadn't seen her in a while. She replied , " in that case how about a CR. I'll be glad to take her place". We then negotiated price and services.
Don't buy dances, don't let girls sell you dances, as that is a chumps game. Front room friendliness, get a makeout session going. Then you invite her to the back room when it is time for your pants to come down.
When you club for a long time you get a feel for who's willing to play and who isn't. I'm spoiled because of the generally HM clubs I visit, and I would suspect that it's much tougher gauging opportunities in low mileage areas. But even then it will usually take several visits to size up the dancers and the amount of fun available.
It is very easy to make girls understand what you want. Just don't buy dances and don't let them sell you dances. Front room GFE. Only invite her to the back room when it is time for your own pants to come down.
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last commentYou don't. You dance with girls who already have your pleasure as their job. For every regular I've had, 20 girls didn't make the cut. At least.
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Cautious strippers? Never met one. Afraid ,maybe, but careful Ha Ha.
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Nowadays at my favorite extras club (i.e., mid-level strip club with an extras-friendly day shift), I don't even ask for extras or negotiate any particular "services". With my regulars, of course, I know what to expect in the VIP room. With new girls, I try to establish enough rapport during a considerable time of drinking and chatting that the VIP will be a satisfying experience regardless of the details. At this particular club, these details can range from HJ to TF, to CBJ to BBBJ, and in some cases to FS (though I don't partake), but I'm essentially never disappointed. The key is to know some of the girls and to get to know a new girl before committing $150 for 30 minutes.
This worked exceedingly well with my ATF, with whom I spent an afternoon last April just drinking and talking before taking her the next afternoon to the VIP room, where we engaged in 69 the first time -- and every time thereafter, including on many OTC dates. It also worked well on my most recent visit a few weeks ago, when I chatted with a new girl for a while, did a couple of very hands-on lappers, and then graduated to the VIP room, where she provided the best HJ of my life -- all without negotiating details.
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It can feel awkward to just ask for a blowjob or to fuck when one does not know a dancer.
If IDK a dancer I'll ask "do you do VIP" - most dancers know VIP means extras - either they'll say yes or "yes but I don't have sex" - if they just answer yes then I specify what I want - they are used to being asked for sex, it's kinda part of the job.
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Don't have a discussion about it.
We are getting lots of new posters.
Letting girls sell you dances is a chumps game. Make it happen with her in the front room. That way you can lead it. Get a makeout session going with her. Then you invite her to the back room when it is time for your own pants to come down. Then take her home with you to continue.
SJG
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^^^ You've seem to got your script down to the tee SJG. What would you say is the ratio, or % success rate per club visit?
I would look for a system to replace Rickyboy's 33% threshold, otherwise it's a white 3 piece suit for me. Nah just kidding. My sweatshirt and sweatpants work well for my body style.
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At our local clubs you cannot do things like that.
In San Francisco, most of the time the clubs have been tightly controlled clip joints, wanna dance places. But prior to that, no problem. Wonderful time making out with this extremely cute black girl I was going to invite to lunch, but then she ducked into New Century. Today, with the 4 unbranded no alcohol DeJa Vu clubs, remains to be seen.
In our underground circuit, that is supposedly prohibited. But in fact it happens. If a girl wants you for OTC, she will do what it takes to make that known. And actually the same in the strictly controlled clubs. And then when clubs have been slated for closure, like Club Ante, San Mateo, no problem.
And then in AMPs no problem, but better in San Francisco.
It all comes down to just treating the girl with respect.
And in online accounts of dives, this is standard practice, as it is in TJ.
SJG
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rocket girl666 has got a real handle on it. in the usa.
now.... consider tijuana.............
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i mean rockstar666....... (wish there was an edit option.....)
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@Subra's approach is easily the most elegant and refined.
@MrDeuce targets middle-aged strippers. Not terribly difficult since they haven't seen any attention since the Eisenhower era.
And how did we go from rockstar to rocketGirl? Just plain weird.
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In the club I used to go to, I could walk in early in the afternoon and simply ask in a loud voice, "OK, who wants to f*ck in the VIP for $50?". Sometimes I got a taker, and sometimes I got escorted out.
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Just ask
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lol mmdv!!!!
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Usually, I do some sort of modified Papi. Where, I will ask about VIP and let the dancer explain pricing (if I don't already know). If she doesn't open the door to discussing extras at that point, I'll ask "What kind of VIP do you offer?". Sometimes, she'll reply with a price list for extras, or she'll reply that she gives a great dance (but no extras), or she'll ask "What kind of VIP dance do you want?" To this I'll either say, "The sort of dance that includes sex." or "How much detail do you need?" (depending on the level of familiarity and whether or not I get the sense that the dancer's guard is up)
That dialogue may get cut down by a lot in an extras club. But, in an unfamiliar setting with an unfamiliar dancer, what's above gets me the information I need without ruffling feathers.
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Usually without ruffling feathers...
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Read my system. It is all you need to know.
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^^^ Yes, following @Smith's system, just offer effectively the yearly GDP of some wealthy capitalistic society.
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Papi Chulo says "It can feel awkward to just ask for a blowjob or to fuck when one does not know a dancer."
i agree totally.
i had gotten dances from my CF over several different visits. and then about a month ago or so, i got extras from her for the very first time. and on the night that it happened, she was asking me "what do you want to do?" and so i was sorta hesitant to say what i wanted from her---because i didn't know she was an extras girl. she thought i was being shy---but like chulo said---its not exactly easy to just ask for it because not ALL dancers do those things.
but now that i know she'll do extras and shit........its easier to just say what i want
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Unless it's a known extras club I like to get some sort of signal from them that extras are available, then I'm explicit.
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I think it's always ok to ask, it's just I try to be more diplomatic if IDK the dancer and/or she doesn't give me a high-mileage vibe
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My last foray into my former favorite club was highlighted by a dancer, new to me, who knew me. She asked about my ATF and I said I hadn't seen her in a while. She replied , " in that case how about a CR. I'll be glad to take her place". We then negotiated price and services.
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Don't buy dances, don't let girls sell you dances, as that is a chumps game. Front room friendliness, get a makeout session going. Then you invite her to the back room when it is time for your pants to come down.
SJG
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When you club for a long time you get a feel for who's willing to play and who isn't. I'm spoiled because of the generally HM clubs I visit, and I would suspect that it's much tougher gauging opportunities in low mileage areas. But even then it will usually take several visits to size up the dancers and the amount of fun available.
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It is very easy to make girls understand what you want. Just don't buy dances and don't let them sell you dances. Front room GFE. Only invite her to the back room when it is time for your own pants to come down.
SJG
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No hot 22 year old girl has ever just made out with creepy 50 year Lloyd Schoene for free. Stop it with your nonsense.
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