LFK/DFK ITC
I've been going to clubs in my area for years, but up until recently things have always been pretty tame. You buy a girl a drink, chat for a few minutes, find some comfy secluded place for a couple dances, tip the girl well and be on your way. Some dancers were more enthusiastic than others, but I had never actually witnessed or received any "extras" (though a few not-so-subtle hints had been dropped by a few girls and came with hefty price tags). I am there for the company - I like hanging out with girls that have pretty much no inhibitions and will talk freely about anything. Don't get me wrong, I like the tits and ass too, but the reason I keep coming back to my fav club is because it isn't just about tits and ass. When I visit other places where it's all about the hustle, I don't stick around or come back.
A few weeks back, this dancer who I had never seen (and haven't seen since) was giving me a steamy dance when she started some LFK outta no where. It was obviously unexpected, but not at all unwelcome and I found it to be much more appealing than I had imagined. As I was leaving, I decided that if I came back and this girl was still around, then she was going to be my top pick. No such luck.
I wrote this off as a one time deal. It had never happened in the 10 years I had been hitting up clubs (probably b/c I was never really interested in asking for it), and it probably wouldn't happen again.
Then, a couple weeks later I'm getting a dance from another girl and get another surprise LFK. I was a bit more tipsy that night and this girl was considerably more attractive than the last, so I let the girl know I wanted her to continue and we proceeded to some DFK for a bit. She got real skiddish when someone walked around the corner and could see us, so things screeched to a halt. This girl will definitely be getting my attention any time she is around.
But the trend continued. Last week, I was getting a steamy dance from yet another girl (who is awesome), and once again got some LFK. It was nice, so I let her know that I liked it. Then, she said she had to be careful because she was pretty sure she would get in a lot of trouble if she got caught because it is "probably illegal."
This sent me off on a hunt for answers. Is LFK/DFK illegal? From what I can tell, it isn't around here. Every legal definition I can find in no way covers this particular activity. The definitions of prostitution and sodomy are pretty narrow. Lewd public conduct is about the closest I can find, but I think that rolling a naked girl's nipple between your fingers while she grinds her crotch against yours probably far exceeds LFK/DFK, plus I tend to go to "private" clubs and use private VIP rooms (so it isn't public). Anyone have any thoughts on that?
A few weeks back, this dancer who I had never seen (and haven't seen since) was giving me a steamy dance when she started some LFK outta no where. It was obviously unexpected, but not at all unwelcome and I found it to be much more appealing than I had imagined. As I was leaving, I decided that if I came back and this girl was still around, then she was going to be my top pick. No such luck.
I wrote this off as a one time deal. It had never happened in the 10 years I had been hitting up clubs (probably b/c I was never really interested in asking for it), and it probably wouldn't happen again.
Then, a couple weeks later I'm getting a dance from another girl and get another surprise LFK. I was a bit more tipsy that night and this girl was considerably more attractive than the last, so I let the girl know I wanted her to continue and we proceeded to some DFK for a bit. She got real skiddish when someone walked around the corner and could see us, so things screeched to a halt. This girl will definitely be getting my attention any time she is around.
But the trend continued. Last week, I was getting a steamy dance from yet another girl (who is awesome), and once again got some LFK. It was nice, so I let her know that I liked it. Then, she said she had to be careful because she was pretty sure she would get in a lot of trouble if she got caught because it is "probably illegal."
This sent me off on a hunt for answers. Is LFK/DFK illegal? From what I can tell, it isn't around here. Every legal definition I can find in no way covers this particular activity. The definitions of prostitution and sodomy are pretty narrow. Lewd public conduct is about the closest I can find, but I think that rolling a naked girl's nipple between your fingers while she grinds her crotch against yours probably far exceeds LFK/DFK, plus I tend to go to "private" clubs and use private VIP rooms (so it isn't public). Anyone have any thoughts on that?
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Play in the front room, until you need the back room, like when your pants are to come down.
Letting girls "sell dances" to you is a chumps game!
Lots of discussion about this:
https://www.tuscl.net/postread.php?PID=3…
SJG
SJG
I would recommend "the system" and I'm sure the distinguished SJG will provide a link to it for your viewing pleasure.
www.tuscl.net/postread.php?PID=912
And here is his appendix to The System
www.tuscl.net/postread.php?PID=39178#com…
But The System is for setting up OTC. If you want to enjoy ITC, then front room makeout sessions are the gold standards. No front room play, no back room!
SJG
At my fav club, I know the girls are regularly lectured about prostitution, and what amounts to prostitution is posted on the wall in their dressing rooms. There are two clubs in the area with a rep for allowing everything up to and including FS ITC, but I haven't been to them (for other reasons). The rest of the clubs, including my fav, have a rep for not allowing much of anything.
Of course, I know FS OTC is happening even at my fav b/c girls are regularly getting fired for it when they get caught.
I guess my question is that if it isn't illegal, why prohibit it? Let the girls make the call and/or monetize it like the clubs do with bikini/topless/nude dances at different VIP levels. That is also why I'm wondering if it is legal to begin with.
And yeah, I know the whole "between consenting adults" argument, but if it is illegal, there is still a chance you can get fucked over.
Depends on the club.
Depends on the dancer.
More often than not, it's discouraged at some level. But I haven't been in a club yet where the rules are not bent, broken, or obliterated at some point.
Jestrite50 on requirement of front room makeout sessions
https://www.tuscl.net/postread.php?PID=3…
and here:
https://www.tuscl.net/postread.php?PID=3…
Now where I am the strip clubs are no touching. But sometimes when a girl is trying to set up same night OTC, she still will start DFKing.
And then in the underground table dancing circuit which ran in Mexican bars, it was done, along with open tongue kissing. As that is supposed to be prohibited, it is done when they are trying to set up same night OTC. The Latinas start it off by getting an arm around you and nuzzling.
And then in AMPs, that is not supposedly on the menu, but if approached right the girls often just yield and it happens. And then from then on what ensues is phenomenal.
On Black Strip Clubs . Net there were innumerable reviews of places where the black girls just climb onto your lap and start licking your neck and nibbling on your ear, defying you to start making out with them. Then you can take them to the back room. In some places they don't even bother with a back room. Safer for the management that way. So they just finish what they've started on couches in darkened corners. Probably no house cut in those places.
And then TUSCL members have affirmed that in the mixed race dives, they all do it that way.
And then we have the accounts of Tijuana's Hong Kong Bar. The girls give you very little choice in the matter.
This is not an ideal being sought, this is an already existing Gold Standard. You just have to treat the girls in a civilian manner and look for anything goes venues.
SJG
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Most clubs probably have it against the rules. Of course a lot of strippers aren't very good at following rules.
I've had a couple girls do this. And, I LIKE IT. But I understand the reluctance, especially if guys start expecting it, issues with bad breath, cold, flu, mono... Probably more diseases spread kissing than fucking (the ones spread kissing are just less likely to last). In my experience, it's easier to get them to fuck than kiss (more than a quick peck).
it's only happened to me twice. it was great. wish more dancers did it.
While that won't work at the no touching clubs near me, it does to a large degree work in AMPs. I always treat the experience like a first date.
A lot of it I think is just how you approach the girls. And we know that in the most extreme strip clubs, that it is common and probably standard practice.
SJG
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SCs being sex businesses perhaps their could be ordnances against kissing since bodily fluids are being exchanged,
It'd be cool if some dancers chimed-in w/ their experience as to whether they've been told kissing is against a local ordinance or whether certain clubs outright tell them it's against the rules.
Remember, not illegal to kiss a girl out on the sidewalk in front of the club. So don't let them say it is illegal inside the club.
How laws are interpreted always comes down to what can practically be enforced.
Anyone charged with a crime in the US is entitled to a jury trial.
SJG
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