Possible OTC with CF

I know if you are questioning if it's yes or no then it's no. With females you never have to wonder if sex is on the table they usually male it painfully obvious.

If you would just be a little courageous and self respecting person she would fuck for half the amount. You're turning her off every which way sexualy by being a doormat.

I'm only sad to see how low you think of yourself as a man. PL doesn't even begin to describe your self image.

Anyway have fun worshipping this chick who's gotten a million and one dicks in her mouth and twat, and is never ever going to respect, admire, or fall for a man who's too afraid to demonstrate his own authority.

Don't do it, at least not for the price she's asking for

Are you rich? If not then the answer is a resounding NO

$800 for dinner? I wouldn't even pay that for sex!!! You sound like an easy mark so be careful.

Tell her you'll take her to dinner and then to a hotel where she will blow and fuck you for $300. Don't pay her until after you've had sex. If she doesn't agree, find a new CF to spend your money on.

I"ve always suspected bavarian might be an alternate persona one of the other guys or trolls invented just to have some fun conversations, wasn't totally sure, but now he's gone a little too far in his milquetoastness and ruined my hope he was real!

I have very little OTC experience but I know enough to label this for what it is: a shameless attempt by a gold-digging stripper to get $800 for agreeing to eat dinner with a lovelorn low-esteem loser. (Sorry, Bavarian -- blunt language is called for here.) You should counter that you will take her to dinner at your expense and then adjourn to a hotel room for lap dances or holding hands or whatever *you* want and you will pay the VIP rate minus whatever she would have to tip out at the club. For example, if the VIP rate at her club is $300 per hour and she tips out $100 of that, tell her you'll pay $200 for an hour of her time -- not counting the dinner, which she gets to eat for free.

My only relevant experience is this: on a couple of occasions I have gotten a BBBJCIM from a mostly beautiful 41-year-old MILF (excellent hair, face, tits and ass -- some loose belly flesh from massive weight loss a few years ago) for $200 for 30 minutes in the VIP room, of which she tips out $90 to the house, so that she nets $110. Recently she texted me out of the blue, offering to meet me OTC, and we agreed on $300 for an overnight "date" in my hotel room, starting the night and the next morning "with what we do in VIP". She gets $300 instead of $220, plus dinner and a concert or movie, and I get two BBBJs and a very pleasant overnight companion for $100 less than two visits to the VIP room -- a win-win! Note: This particular arrangement hasn't actually happened yet but I'm confident that it will soon.

I'm sure others on this board with more OTC experience can give you examples of mutually agreeable OTC arrangements that are *much* more reasonably priced than yours. But whatever you do, don't pay a stripper $800 for the privilege of dining with you! You will find that TUSCLers' opinions differ wildly on this subject, but I think the right approach is to act like it's a date, treat her like a normal woman, and make your after-dinner expectations clear. Also, go to a hotel -- you can clearly afford it -- and not to her place. If she won't agree to these conditions, she just wants a ton of money for deigning to dine with you.

God damn, son! I wish I had that kind of money.

I'd figure out a way to pay that for some of my favorite Porn Stars, but for a favorite stripper? Not me. I'd be curious if you simply tell her no, that's too much, but I'll do it for $XXX.00. Testing the waters, just like she is doing when she threw the $800.00 at you, testing the waters.

No reason to leave money on the table, which is why she started high.

Thanks guys. Yeah, I'm not paying eight hundred for dinner alone. That's crazy. If she declines the after dinner activities, I'm not going for it. I have a feeling she will decline too. I don't think she's that desperate for money.

Just to keep things in perspective, she's a young, beautiful woman not a run of the mill old whore. Sorry, Mr Deuce but I would not pay anything to the MILF you described. She's even older than me!

But you're thinking $800 for dinner and private lap dances (no extras?) afterwards is worth it????

I respond to opportunities in one of two ways: FUCK YES! or no. It frees up a lot of time and cuts back on regret.

If I'm going to drop $800 on a stripper, then there needs to be a FUCK YES! level of FS guaranteed. This, all by itself, would be a rarity.

This is a no.

You act like a sucker and a doormat to her.

Offer her $400 to come to your hotel room and fuck you. If she passes, make a point of getting dances from someone high mileage.

I know you won't take this advice.

I'm with @Subraman on this. Bavarian has to be a fucking troll. No human being alive is this stupid. Impossibly stupid. No way he survives adolescents, he's either a gay troll, a juice alias , or a woman.

Thank god for the Ignore feature

I think we actually have more than one "newbie SC customer" that's actually a troll ... I don't mind, maybe there are lurkers out there who were too afraid to ask but can use the advice, but there's a point at which I can't pretend anymore to even remotely take it seriously

$800? That all? Go for it! Don't listen to all these naysayers!

Seriously, NO! See above for reasons.

My situation is real. It's pathetic but it's the truth.
I guess the only way for anybody here to prove they are not trolling is to be vetted at a TUSCL meetup. If there was one in Dallas, I would show up. I'm hoping to make it to the Miami meetup if there is one. I want to meet JS69 and Papi

“... She recently suggested that I take her out to dinner and pay her for it ...” … “... I don't think she's that desperate for money ...”

IMO your first statement negates the 2nd – only reason a dancer meets a custy OTC *is* b/c she wants $$$ (w/ rare exceptions) – and no coincidence she mentions this around holiday time when $$$ is needed.


You are doing yourself a disservice by fixating on this chick - – she seems to have total contempt for you and seems to treat you like shit – it's PLish enough to pay for a good-time; but you seem to paying for punishment and that should be unacceptable to you.

A stripper is not a substitute for love or a GF; you are trying to fit a square peg in a round-hole; you will only fail if this is what you are looking-for with a stripper.

For the record, based on his post history, I strongly believe Bavarian is real and a Regular In Love. He is engaging in the classic behavior where he doesn't *want* the pussy that's easy to get and relatively cheap. He wants the pussy that is impossible to get (and would probably devalue itself if she ever gave it to him).

Although guys like John Smith help some girls pay their bills, the strip club economy in part is based on guys paying way too much money for too little in return. I know there are guys who go to the Champagne room and basically just get some regular lap dances and are thrilled to get okay mileage. TUSCL is mostly guys who demand more for their cash than the "average" strip club goer.

I get the feeling Bavarian's CF may be reading StripperWeb

James...$800 dollars to her so that he can pay for her dinner?

Come'on.. I make six figures, no kids, I can afford to throw money away. But $800 dollars so I can pay for your dinner is fucking gross. Gross!!!.

Unless he is seriously deformed (which he says he is not) he can get a very, very beautiful girl in Vegas for that price. And I've been to Dallas/Ft Worth a few times, it ain't Southern California .

He's trolling. No way a guy ever admits he likes to take it up the asshole and be a cuckold bitch even in an anonymous forum. Troll.

@GACA - I dunno, I always get the sense he *knows* it's pathetic. He's coming here to ask us to slap some sense into him. It's TOTALLY believable some THOT (do the kids still say that or is it like YOLO?) would ask for $800 just to have dinner. I mean, it sounds like he's spent hundreds on her for basically nothing but her company.

And in SoCal you can get a gorgeous girl to fuck you all night for $800. Especially here in San Diego, cheap Mexican labor does drive the price down.

If he's a PL troll ... meh. I don't care.

If a SC newbie wanders by, sees this discussion, and says "Okay, so don't be *that* guy.", then it remains nominally useful.

Bavarian: I understand what you're saying about my prospective OTC girl. But she is beautiful *almost* everywhere, very nice to be with, much younger than me (as is almost every stripper in the world), and majorly skilled in the relevant area.

Oh boy, that did not go over well.

I told her that sorry but it's not realistic to spend eight hundred dollars just to take a woman to dinner. She replied that other girls charge a lot more and in addition are taken on shopping sprees by their customers. I told her that she was not getting the whole story. Those strippers are not getting all those things in exchange for mere companionship.

She replied that **it is** for their companionship because guys like myself and people that go to strip clubs would never have a chance with them. She even said that it was a privilege.

She then told me to go find myself a plain looking girl that I could afford.

I have very limited experience with women in general. I don't know for sure if all women act like that or it's just because stripping turns them into cold hearted bitches.

It's not the first time that she has told me to go fuck myself. I'll probably be hearing back from her in two weeks. I treat her very well. I buy her drinks and food any time she wants. I am most likely her best customer. I probably make up a quarter of her annual income. I really don't understand why she acts so irrationally. I know she will be OK, she is a pretty girl. She will just have to hustle multiple guys to make up what I paid her.

Oh well, at least my bank account and my wallet will catch a much needed break.

PS: It's is such a let down to realize that behind such a beautiful smile, there is so much contempt.

I wasn't going to comment on this thread but come on Bavarian grow a pair, get a backbone . This is too pathetic.

@Barvarian, like @twentyfive, I was not going to comment on the thread either. But you state above "I have very limited experience with women in general." Strippers are not women (in general), they are a different breed as you are finding out. Spread your money around and interact with other strippers, and other women too.

Don't be afraid of women outside strip clubs, and don't let strippers control you or your money. If you are going to pay women for their time, like many of us do, make damn sure you are getting your dick wet too. If your CF and her friends are actually getting $800+ just so some looser can buy them dinner, more power to them. But don't fall into that trap. Hell, you could find a Backpage girl that is just as good looking and would make a much better dinner companion, and still fuck your brains out for much less than $800. Hell, go on a Sugar Daddy site or Seeking Arrangements, and find you a nice civilian girl to see every week.

Bavarian - you say she will call you in a couple weeks. When she does YOU tell HER to take a hike and go find some other sucker to spend money on her. You probably will not go that far and use those words but definitely tell her you will no longer be seeing her itc. No matter how hard it is to do that. You have to retake the upper hand.

" I really don't understand why she acts so irrationally"

Because she's a girl/woman

Bavarian- are there no other hot girls at Baby Dolls that are your type? Find a new girl, this girl is taking advantage of you so bad.

You know, man, it's possible that strip clubs aren't a good fit for you. If for no other reason than you're spending a lot of money for little or no satisfaction.

If what you're posting above is on the level, then she's a predator and you're a wounded gazelle. And that's NOT going to change at this point.

If I were you, I'd cut her off completely and permanently. Visit theeroticreview.com and perhaps your local Eros website and spend your money on quality, reviewed escorts. It's typically a lot more straightforward.

Wow. If, in fact, I had not met delusional honey's like this before, I would just assume this whole thread is BS (which I still suspect). But, I have met some dancers that act this way.

OP, the honey is getting off on fucking with your head. In reality, she has no respect for you and thinks you are pathetic. She will never fuck you for any amount of money. Hey, I've been there.

Take some of the advice given, visit some good escorts, hit some AMPs, get a sugar baby. Honeys like this are not good for your emotional health.

Bavarian needs to get laid a few times P4P so he is not so hard-up most of the time and thus not so easily taken advantage-of by the pussy.

Rule #1: Your dollar, your decision.

This isn't a civvie. I dont pay more than $200 for LDK and that's a very generous tip. Go on backpage to see going rates in your area for SW. $300 is generous for most. $800 will get you a Beyonce and Nicki Minaj.

It did not take two weeks to hear from her. She sent a text asking for the eight hundred as an advance for future dances.

At this point I'm just ignoring her. Let this be a lesson for everybody that reads this. Spoil a woman and she will lose all respect for you.