How should I handle this issue on my OTC date with a new stripoer
JohnSmith69
layin low but staying high
I have a date tonight with the cute little stripper who told me that our sex is free.
https://www.tuscl.net/postread.php?PID=3…
I'm about 95 percent sure that the sex is not free. Having spoken to her recently itc to set up the date, I think no talk of money beforehand is her standard practice. This seems to be mainly because of a fear of LE but might also be in part because she doesn't like to discuss OTC specifics in the club where we might be overheard.
My question is how I should handle the $ with her tonight. I see three options:
1. Before sex I bring it up and seek agreement on a price.
2. After sex I give her $300 which is my standard non DS price.
3. Say nothing about money and see how and when she decides to bring it up.
My current thinking is that 3 is very tempting because it leaves open the possibility that it might be free or very cheap (I'm thinking Follies prices here) but it invites lots of drama and repeated monetary demands. I was tentatively thinking I'd follow 2, so I can refuse future requests for monetary help on the grounds that I already paid her.
So this is my first "free" stripper. How should I handle it tonight?
https://www.tuscl.net/postread.php?PID=3…
I'm about 95 percent sure that the sex is not free. Having spoken to her recently itc to set up the date, I think no talk of money beforehand is her standard practice. This seems to be mainly because of a fear of LE but might also be in part because she doesn't like to discuss OTC specifics in the club where we might be overheard.
My question is how I should handle the $ with her tonight. I see three options:
1. Before sex I bring it up and seek agreement on a price.
2. After sex I give her $300 which is my standard non DS price.
3. Say nothing about money and see how and when she decides to bring it up.
My current thinking is that 3 is very tempting because it leaves open the possibility that it might be free or very cheap (I'm thinking Follies prices here) but it invites lots of drama and repeated monetary demands. I was tentatively thinking I'd follow 2, so I can refuse future requests for monetary help on the grounds that I already paid her.
So this is my first "free" stripper. How should I handle it tonight?
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I'd go with #3 and play it by ear. If she says afterward that you owe her a grand, tell her here's $300 and then tip according to how the night went. Good luck and have a fucking good time ( or a good time fucking)
So it's between 2 & 3 for me. Since I think you ARE going to be paying, the thing I like about #2 is that you're throwing down your number first, I've had this kind of thing with one girl where in a good number of OTCs we never discussed price, I just dropped a wad of cash into her purse (however much I felt that OTC was worth, based on what we did) as we left the hotel room. She never even looked at it in front of me, so I basically dictated the price I usually dropped in $200.
'course, there's something to be said for rolling the dice and going for #3, and seeing if you hit the jackpot.
Joe, good point. I will insist upon my own condoms.
Jack, I like that but not sure I can pull it off with a straight face especially since she doesn't want to smoke weed on our date.
I expected that most of you would vote for 3, so maybe I'll try it. That's outside of my comfort zone but I suspect that this girl has a higher mileage pussy than what I'm used to despite her very tender young age. So maybe I need to learn a new approach in dealing with dancers of this type.
You should be able to know the difference by now between a "date" with a stripper (i.e. free, she really wants to be there with you and wants to be your girlfriend) versus "this girl is fucking me because she needs money. Yeah she may like to hang out with me but she needs money and is just too shy or unassertive to bring it up." I can't tell you how many times I have done that "hey I slipped something into your purse" and see the relief on the girls face, after that, she can truly enjoy the night. My needs have been taken care of, her needs have been taken care of, and she didn't have to have that awkward conversation.
In my OTC career, I've almost never chosen #1 or #3; #2 has worked out incredibly well for me, netting me lower-priced OTC plus stripper goodwill
So there are ways of inquiring into her finances and offering to help, or just doing things like taking her shopping.
The worst way to insult a civilian is to treat her like a prostitute. The best way to flatter a prostitute is to treat her like a civilian. This should inform every single communication you have with her.
SJG
Stones, 1981
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFPh5PL2…
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If she says it's free, I'd take her at her word. Talking about price beforehand or giving her money anyway would be an incredible insult.
I had an incredible Russian girl that tried to make me her "boyfriend" in very similar circumstances. She too claimed not to be having sex with me for money, though it was clear from other conversations that a "boyfriend" could be counted on to help with bills and other things from time to time. I'm sure this would have cost me much more in the long run than paying her on a p4p basis. The first night I fucked her, I slipped the money in her purse at the end of the night and she did indeed protest, though she didn't try to give it back. I told her it was for her transportation costs, lol. ;) Thereafter, she went out with me twice more and accepted the cash payment in the same manner, with neither of us having to say anything further.
Alex: GHB. Duct tape. Chloroform. Toda la noche.
JohnSmith69: what is “what would san_jose_guy do?”
We talked about what we were doing and why for well over an hour beforehand, and it is not a con and she was not doing it for money. She was offended at the idea of payment, and Ibnever brought it up again. She wants to do it again for fun and money will never be discussed again.
Before you say I'm either lying or am naive, wait a day or two until I can post the full story to provide more context.
and then this rainbow shot right out of the unicorn’s ass i shit you not….
Of course, we can choose to believe that a young hot stripper fucked an old guy for the heck of it with no agenda. I think my next story here will be about the threesome that I had with Halle Berry and Giselle Bundchen... ;)
That's just about as "free" as it's ever gonna get for me.
So yeah, I believe you, just like I do about the DS. Maybe you're making it all up, for some reason the alleged psychology experts on the board might fathom, though I can't, but I can't deny the plausibility, so I give you the benefit of the doubt.
I know tons of 20 year olds that love to fuck guys in their 50s for free - happens all the time!
I'm betting JS got this girl high as fuck so she'd be down for anything
No problem. I'll give you a chance to get your story together first.
In Tom Wolfe's Novel "Bonfire of the Vanities" it explains something like this. The above words are mine, but they show it in the text.
One guy didn't even want to go on a college lecture circuit because he was getting tired of being stormed by young coeds who expected to bed down with him.
The Zen teacher Alan Watts was always on such speaking circuits, and always having more young women after him than anyone could ever do anything with.
SJG
While a good deal of women do seem to prefer older men I think most would stay within a 10 year or so age diff. When we start talking 20-30 year age gap IMO I think the # of women who like men that much older drops dramatically. Women find older men more mature and financially stable. They are able to provide for them and their lifestyle and usually ready for a family.
JS, you might as well go ahead and put several hundred $$$ in an envelope with her name on it because I'd take the odds that before too long she'll be asking for help with a "bill". Expect the worst and hope for the best.
One commentator said that it is about 10% who are interested in this. The ones who are not are dressed "trendy", as they are conformists. They are only interested in guys their own age.
The ones interested in order guys are non-conformists and the unmistakable signature is that they are dressed outlandishly. These are the kind I have always liked anyway, even when I was the same age as them. And their interest in older men I can personally attest to.
JS69, I still suggest treating her like a civilian at all levels, until their is some indication from her that she wants otherwise.
If she has to pay rent, and asks you if you have paid your own rent, then you might ask her is she has paid hers. But otherwise, she is 100% civilian.
SJG