OTC Friendliness
JohnSmith69
layin low but staying high
How many dancers in your experience are OTC friendly? By that I mean open to meeting for sex OTC for $500 or less if the guy is not creepy. And let's limit it to girls who are a 6 or better since the really ugly ones would screw up the percentages. Obviously this varies by club but I'm wondering what the average is overall.
Based upon my experience I think it's around 20 -30%. Sometimes it seems higher than this, but I think many are faking their potential interest initially to keep us as a customer as long as possible.
Based upon my experience I think it's around 20 -30%. Sometimes it seems higher than this, but I think many are faking their potential interest initially to keep us as a customer as long as possible.
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Papi, if we include those who run the System, Dougster will start seeing faggots all over this post. So no System run numbers please.
Ch3, that issuehas been addressed in a lot of other posts a few of which were somewhat recent. But basically the answer is its not happening unless you are at least young and handsome, and probably only if you are young handsome and rich.
Bavarian, I don't think it's necessary to define creepy. For purposes of my question it just means a guy who the dancer in question finds creepy.
GoV, if you start asking in the right way after making the right investment, you'll be surprised that the number of yes answers is higher than you think, maybe quite a bit higher. At least it is higher in a large number of clubs.
Ch3ll-- ranukam has multiple times
Scheduling and logistics is another story.
I've managed it a small number of times, in my 40s, so definitely not young. It happens. That said, it's never REALLY free. That last time it happened to me, I took her to a pretty expensive restaurant and then bought at least a couple hundred dollars worth of drinks later on.
The one before that maybe doesn't count as "free", I've posted about her before, she was a real find. She was a late riser, left to her own devices she didn't like to wake up before 1pm, and she lived nearly an hour from the strip club. Put those two things together, and she was constantly late and getting majorly fined for not making her 11:30am check-in for dayshift. So we fell into this awesome pattern: if she was going to work two days in a row, I'd pick her up at the end of her dayshift on the first day, get a hotel room down the block from her stripclub, we'd party and sex that night, and at 10:30am the next day I'd kick her out of bed and make her do the walk of shame back down the club, where she'd actually make her 11:30 check-in. She started off charging me a nominal fee for this, and eventually dropped that.
JS69->"GoV, if you start asking in the right way after making the right investment, you'll be surprised that the number of yes answers is higher than you think, maybe quite a bit higher. At least it is higher in a large number of clubs."
I was going to say something similar. I really have no idea what the overall percentage of girls who regularly do OTC is. But the percentage who say yes to me is pretty high ... I think at least partially because I'm not interested in OTCing with a stripper I don't already know well (I'll already have invested enough time and $ in her that she'll be a CF before I ask her to OTC). As I've said previously, between the fact that she already knows and trusts me, and the fact that she knows the revenue stream is at risk, there are a lot of positive responses to OTC requests.
My 2 groups:
Higher end clubs, where extras are not common: less than 10%
Lower end clubs, where extras aren't common but happen: less than 20%
Granted, I travel a lot and am not able to build a rapport as well as a regular. Also I'm younger and fairly clean cut so I get asked so often if I'm law enforcement it drives me crazy - so because of those issues my numbers may be skewed a bit.
My favorite clubs over the last five years, all of which give very good lap dances, and many are known for ITC action, the percentage is around 18 percent. This percentage is skewed by 2 club in particular, and if I remove those clubs the percentage is around 12 percent.
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1. Farmerart - he's mostly talking about Mississauga clubs, which I know very well. Extras are as rampant here as they are in Detroit which I have taken advantage of but strangely dancers there do not want to do OTC. On the other hand jackslash is talking about high OTC numbers in Detroit which I totally agree with so it just depends more on the city you're clubbing in.
2. Like others have said I've been in clubs before (almost always lower end clubs) where the OTC availability is damn near 100%. Those are usually clubs where it's hard to do extras (no private VIP) but the girls need to do extras to make money. Also it's probably somewhere where I am out of place and for some reason dancers look at me as trustworthy - example - I'm one of the only white guys in a Latino club...
3. As for you guys saying it's impossible in your club, in some cases you're right, but in most cases every club has a handful of girls willing to do it. Hints are: a girl complaining she isn't making enough money or not getting enough shifts. Being a savvy PL, it's your job to mention she can pick up money doing OTC with you and she doesn't even have to come into work! Try it!!!
Since you qualified it, yes. The MILF I occasionally get to see absolutely refuses to take any cash for our little trysts. I buy her lunch, and pick up the cab fare when she rides, but she won't take my money directly. ITC, where we don't do anything but basically make out, she takes all I give her. Which admittedly still isn't very much, no more than about $50 per visit, and about a third of that is the club's cut.
@OP: If you're willing to spend enough, I'm betting the number approaches 100%. :)
For a reasonable price however, $100-300, I'd say roughly half in my area, even sticking to the "6 or better" criterion. Varies by club, of course.
Ditto. The percentages aren't "somewhat" lower for me, they're well lower than I expected. And yes, it could be that I'm very handsome and witty (*cough*), or it could be that ATFing them first leads to a far higher % of "yes". Perhaps there are more YMMV OTC providers than we think, and gaining their trust first gets you YMMVed in.
If you don't enjoy the pre-sex partying, strip clubbing, and other carrying on before the sex, then no reason at all. Although even if you get BBBJ ITC with no hassle, isn't it a bit more rushed?
Eventually, some in the second group warmed up to the idea, without any further prodding from me. One day, they'd ask if I had a room for the night and tell me they wanted to come "hang out". No mention of money for sex, but we both understood what was going to happen. It's the only type of OTC I look for anymore, although I'm rather passive about "looking", mostly just staying ready for when they bring up the idea.
About 20-30% is pretty close to my experience with the routinely OTC friendly group, but at least as many strippers are of the highly selective type. Most of my experience has been with 18-21 year old girl next door types who are fairly new to dancing, so that probably skews the percentages.
That's what I was trying to say also, when I called it YMMV OTC. Some of the descriptions here make me think a lot of guys just meet a stripper and ask her to go OTC -- and he'll get a "yes" only from the girls who will do OTC with almost everyone, but I think those girls are just the tip of the OTC iceberg. I think the percentage of girls who will do YMMV OTC, when "the right circumstances come together" is far higher, but you have to put in some time to OTC with them.
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George,
That's interesting. Any thoughts why she will not accept your cash? I have no doubt you have exquisite bedroom skills and are a very handsome man, yet I'm still perplexed why she would turn down your help.
If you were spending large amounts of cash ITC, I could understand, but it doesn't like it.
You describe her as a MILF. Is she older? Say in her 40's? Does she view you more like a boyfriend or fuckbuddy?
As for the "very handsome man" supposition, NOT! As any who manage to be at Follies next weekend when I get there will no doubt be happy to attest.
As for bedroom skills, she *has* used the phrase "insane head" on occasion in reference to me, but beyond that, not so much. Apparently, her husband is no great shakes as the head game.
I believe she's 35 this year, but looks a decade younger. Absolutely no signs of drug use that I've ever been able to detect, either.
I doubt she considers me to be anything like a boyfriend. While we talk and cuddle, the get togethers are for sex, and when we're done, there's a brief rest, followed by cleanup, and we're out.
Interesting little tidbit, the very first time she tentatively agreed to meet, I asked her what kind of soap she uses at home. She was all like "What? Why?" The look on her face when I told her that coming home smelling of hotel soap might be suspicious was priceless. Made it pretty obvious to me that, even though she admitted to having a very occasional misstep, she'd never *seriously* planned a tryst. I sometimes think that's the precise point at which she realized it might be ok to meet. :)
Where I am, as the clubs are no touching and many of the dancers are there to keep it in bounds, I think it is less than 30%. I would say maybe 15%, or a bit less.
They make themselves known, "I'm very service oriented" and "We should make an appointment" and "I wish I could do more".
And then as closing time comes, some of them really forget about all the rules in trying to set it up. DFKing people is the most definite way for them to make sure it goes off.
SJG
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Stones
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Then LE set them up and pulled the talent agents over, each driving a van load of girls from SJ to Gilroy. It was a couple of months before they were even allowed to post bail.
Needless to say, this had a chilling effect.
Since Gilroy has closed most of the bars and San Jose has closed about half. But there have been other talent agents, like Anna who sells costumes in the local clubs. Their shows are more tame, but that Latinas like to do OTC has not changed, not at all.
The shows have existed in San Jose and at the place at Scott Blvd and Monroe in Santa Clara, since.
The main place where they are most likely to have such stuff is always the Red Baron, at White and Alum Rock.
But if I really wanted to find such, at this point I would suggest Watsonville, Monterey, or Salinas. There is also supposedly a Vietnamese Hostess Bar in Monterey, which is good. Sometimes in such situations Vietnamese and Latina are combined. Like their have been the Mexican style "Bikini Shows" in Vietnamese Coffee Shops. And then on the ground floor of the Vietnamese Lido Club on 1st St. in San Jose, is a Mexican Bar. But some time back they had during the day time a nude strip show. I found out that it had been one Vietnamese girl. So such stuff exits, but the main glory days of the bikini shows is over.
At the Hanky Panky, the way it always has been, is hot horny and friendly Latina's looking for immediate OTC.
SJG
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Enjoy!
SJG
Interesting story. Something similar happened to me at No 5 Orange in Vancouver on one of my debauches at that scuzzy old joint with trojangreg.
After buying a whole shit ton of $50 lappers from one of the dancers, I was chillin' at the bar with her as she poured shots of Jack down her throat (on my dime, of course). The dancer started commenting on the other circulating dancers and exactly what each dancer might permit on the couches in VIP. She gave excellent guidance to trojangreg and me.
No OTC was on the cards that particular night but greg and I found a couple of extra dancers willing to indulge in gropefests not normally offered by all dancers at the 5.
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Monroe and Scott.
The Red Baron was at McKee and White. Looks like it too has been removed. There are other small Mexican bars still around though.
Here, at Capital and McKee, this used to be the Mi Tenapa bar. They never had bikini shows to my knowledge. Not sure if this is still operating. But it is one of the few where they have not torn the building down.
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But the Santa Clara show will be way way toned down. They want $20 per song, rather than $1 at a time. This really tones it down.
There had been one in this 7 trees area, on Monterey HIghway, in this shopping center. But I can't see it to tell.
San Jose really has been changed.
There had also been a bar way down on the Monterey Highway, like half way to Gilroy.
But if it were me looking, it would be Watsonville, Monterey, and Salinas. San Jose has been under constant up scaling pressure, and the new administration is worse than any before it.
There should also be one Mexican bar in East Palo Alto, no called Ravenswood, and one in Redwood City.
And then I guess Maria's club on SJ's 13th Street is still open.
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SJG
This is what redevelopment means, tearing down buildings and making new stuff to try and price out stuff they don't want.
SJG
I'm saying it's about half that for the no touching clubs in Santa Clara County. Many of the girls are there instead of elsewhere because they want the softer core environment.
SJG
At the advertised Sunnyvale Clubs I will still stick with my number of 15%.
At harder core clubs, yes it will be higher. But also remember that Subraman is finding a greater willingness in San Francisco, at the alcohol clubs, the places where there is probably less FS-ITC.
SJG
Amazing there are guys dumb enough to believe this.
It is difficult not to go in for the close when I meet some smoking hot baby doll that I desire. Plus, building trust with these honey’s is expensive and takes time.
I will say that taking time to cultivate trust and and comfort is worth it, it’s just hard to do when I want to go OTC with them immediately.
I’ll add that I would estimate the percentage of honey’s willing to meet me p4p on an OTC “date” (no sex) is well over 60%. The percentage of honey’s willing to share their phone number is 90% +.
I’ve learned not to pursue honeys just because they’re fine. Now, I only pursue the one’s that I really want to dive into. This limits the available pool considerably which is a good thing.
And so then Rick Dugan's system, for politely setting up same night OTC, which must be predicated on the view that you can actually relate to and get along with strip club women, is something Dougster doesn't like.
I encourage Dougster to speak openly about his strip club experiences, as I hope everyone else also continues to do. Look at Mr. LDK. He puts it out as he sees it and lives it, even though many of us strongly take exception to how he approaches it. I respect him for being consistently straight.
I have found that spending time in strip clubs and engaging with the women has helped me to better understand what goes on with women who have never worked in such a capacity. Being with strippers has shown me that when women want to, they can really make things nice for you. So therefore, when dealing with civilians, I say that one should never accept less than that. Don't buy into their rationalizations or their manipulations. All they are doing is trying to substitute neuroticism for eroticism. Don't enable them.
SJG
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