I have seen this said numerous times the past couples days(weeks?). I wasn't in the strip clubs 10 or 15 years ago so I have no comparison except to civvie girls. But I personally haven't experienced this. I see plenty of 9s and 10s in no touch/air dance strip clubs and a few in hm/ no extras strip clubs. Considerably less in extras clubs(makes sense). What are the reasons for this supposed decline in dancer quality? Besides the economy start to stabilize again(not much.) Is it possible some of you extras hounds are expecting "fantasy" strippers or 10s in extras clubs? Did that used to be the case?
I have been strip clubbing for 20+ years and have noticed:
(1) an increase in extras, or in the availability of touching in "no-touch" clubs
(2) NO decline in dancer quality
Or maybe my vision and standards are declining at the same rate as their looks so it's a wash :)
There's a few competing hypotheses that I'd like to see serious academic researchers take on.
1) An increase in the unemployment rate simultaneously increases the pool of available labor for potential dancers and lowers the pool of money for PLs to provide. How does this affect dancer quality? How do this affect mileage?
2) as unemployment drops, in theory the pool of available dancers should dwindle. However, this may also increase the demand from PLs.
My understanding is the rise of extras culture was coupled fairly closely with the housing bubble crash. Are extras here to stay? Or will better economic times mean more dancers can earn a good living without extras, especially if there are fewer dancers to compete against?
In most clubs, I see little decline in dancer quality -- most clubs were hit-and-miss then, and hit-and-miss now. In a couple of the higher end clubs, lineups that were stacked with 9s and 10s back 15 years ago, have definitely dropped a bit. Without the craziness of the tech bubble, and girls regularly taking home $1000+ on DAYSHIFT, I think fewer of the super super hot girls have entered the biz. The really nice looking 7.5-8.5s are still here
20 years, and I go to clubs all over the country on a regular basis. While any individual club will always go through phases, I have seen no overall decline in dancer quality. I think the availability of extras and otc are way up but that could partially just be my increased level of experience
I've been strip clubbing for a little over 6 years. There has definitely been a decline in dancer quality from what I've seen. Much more 8's and 9's back in the day. Now, the clubs with the best looking girls mostly have 7's with a couple 8's. At least that's how it is in my area.
We are always more impressionable when we are younger with not as much experience to lean on. It's only natural that as time goes it appears that things aren't as exciting as they used to be. Give up going to a club for a year (or a few months) and you will see quality go up real fast!
I think what Meat72 says may have a lot to do with it – many of us on this board are older and/or experienced SCers so it will be harder for us to go ga-ga.
Could also be the proliferation of SCs – I'm not certain but seems there are a lot more SCs these days so perhaps the talent is watered-down or thinned-out amongst many clubs?
And yeah – just like seemingly everyone wanted to get-in in the stock-market during the super-hot late-90s/early-2000s economy; I'm sure many a hot chick took the plunge when they saw they could make $1k to $2k in a night in a good club; so now with the higher mileage and lower money making; maybe not worth it for some chicks?
I see less 8-10s than I used to so I would say quality has declined. I still stick to my theory that the high end girls are camming, or picking up sugar daddies as far away as the Middle East making them not have to strip anymore.
^ difference these days is that it's not skyrocketing like it did in the late 90s and back then many thought it was a new normal and the party would never end – and we are also just out of the wort recession ever.
Yes, clubs can be hit-or-miss, and, yes, things go through cycles. All I can say is that the physical quality of dancers at the club I frequent the most (Filly Coral Smithton PA) is currently much less than than it was a year or two ago. Maybe that's just part of the cycle, but it was still depressing.
The biggest change I've seen in the last 2-3 years is the poor attitudes. I remember 5-10 years ago where it seemed to me like the vast majority of dancers were projecting happy and up-beat attitudes. Not the overwhelming thing I get is "boo-hoo I'm not selling any dancers," or "it's sooo slow." I don't f-ing care. I'm in a strip club to have a good time, not listen to dancers bellyache about shit. IDK, maybe my perception has changed.
@JamesSD: When the economy tanked, I would have expected the quality to go up. More out of work women turning to dancing. The more attractive dancers would get the lion share of the money and the ugly one would drop out due to less income. Of course that's not what happened. When the economy tanked, customers started spending less. The really hot girls who didn't have to work as hard (i.e. extras) before were now being under-cut the the butter faces who were (previously) willing to do more for less. The better looking dancers, maybe having a higher sense of self-worth, didn't want to stoop to the level of the butter faces. The moon-lighting coeds and part-time dancers who don't need the money as much left the biz.
The biggest change is probably that the willing dancers are just more forward about what they are willing to do, and with fewer customers out there, the remaining customers are seeing more offers.
If the economy every gets back to where it was, I think you'll see more of the moon-lighting dancer s come back because there will be more money being spent by guys who are not looking for as much mileage. However, I also think you'll see more segregation in cub type: low mileage club with better looking talent v. high mileage with lower quality talent.
quality overall is on the decline in my neck of the woods (ny, nj). however, if you have the drive and motivation to travel then the quality will be much improved. where you travel of course is key, so choose the location very wisely.
of course travel can also burn you in the ass. you can pick a city (dallas as an an example) and target 2-3 clubs during a weekend. my expectations for a trip like this is to run into anywhere from 65-100 girls total. chances are 10% of them will be my type. so that's 6-10 targets to choose from. so if the number of targets is less than 50% that weekend, you're shit outta luck. go back to the airplane on return flight pissed off and feeling like shit. the weekend right after that one will most likely be much better, with my shitty luck of course. this has happened to me a couple of times in the last 10 years.
here's what my friend and i noticed in regards to quality and attitude. this was in brooklyn, ny
4-5 years ago girl looks 7.5 attitude 9 will do whatever you want to get you off. if interested won't even have to pay. just wait for her shift to end so pick up is free for a suck and fuck.
few weeks ago. same club another girl looks 5.5-6 attitude: shitty. no good lapdance and before that wants a tip for doing nothing and acts like like a nasty twat while asking for that tip.
Ghetto hood rap culture is synonymous with strip clubs. Plain and simple. The "Gentleman Clubs" have long gone. The diaspora from strip clubs of women who reflect the middle class and up has been replaces with women who represent the sardonic, destructive, and vile atmosphere of the ghetto.
It takes living and working hard to get away from it to truly understand how detestable hood culture is.
The OP mentions a 10-15 year time frame. Well, lets see what has happened over the last 10-15 years. There are more options out there for a hot chick to make money than just strip clubs. The whole sugar daddy thing went on steroids the last few years. There are dozens of SD/SB websites. Instead of dealing with hundreds of guys, a girl could make all of that money dealing with one guy. The whole camming thing emerged as well. I know it is hard to believe for us strip club fans, but some of the hotter camgirls are making hundreds of dollars per day. They don't even need to get dressed and leave their house. Also, look how almost everything is marketed with sex and beautiful women nowadays versus 15 or 20 years ago. Advertising and marketing interests will pay those 9's and 10's to do legitimate promotional work.
There is also some truth to what Papi mentioned. Strip clubs are more numerous, so the talent gets watered down. Also, strip clubs are more socially accepted than they were in the past, so even ugly women think it is not shameful to get naked for a pedestrian $100/night.
Also, look at how the majority of women 18-35 have tattoos and piercings. It is an epidemic. The majority of guys on here (most seem to be older) have voiced in the past that they are not big into that stuff. A 10 could drop to an 8 once she destroys herself with body mods.
Camming certainly pulls away talent. Even on SW it's clear a lot of camgirls are strippers who got sick of the bullshit or whose bodies couldn't take the abuse of dancing anymore.
Not so sure about sugarbaby sites. They may keep some talent away and some whales out of the club.
I have no idea if dancer quality is up or down in general. I don't think it matters that much to me because if it's down at one club, I just go to another where it's up. And one other thing is that quality means different things to different people.
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(1) an increase in extras, or in the availability of touching in "no-touch" clubs
(2) NO decline in dancer quality
Or maybe my vision and standards are declining at the same rate as their looks so it's a wash :)
There's a few competing hypotheses that I'd like to see serious academic researchers take on.
1) An increase in the unemployment rate simultaneously increases the pool of available labor for potential dancers and lowers the pool of money for PLs to provide. How does this affect dancer quality? How do this affect mileage?
2) as unemployment drops, in theory the pool of available dancers should dwindle. However, this may also increase the demand from PLs.
My understanding is the rise of extras culture was coupled fairly closely with the housing bubble crash. Are extras here to stay? Or will better economic times mean more dancers can earn a good living without extras, especially if there are fewer dancers to compete against?
Could also be the proliferation of SCs – I'm not certain but seems there are a lot more SCs these days so perhaps the talent is watered-down or thinned-out amongst many clubs?
And yeah – just like seemingly everyone wanted to get-in in the stock-market during the super-hot late-90s/early-2000s economy; I'm sure many a hot chick took the plunge when they saw they could make $1k to $2k in a night in a good club; so now with the higher mileage and lower money making; maybe not worth it for some chicks?
I see less 8-10s than I used to so I would say quality has declined. I still stick to my theory that the high end girls are camming, or picking up sugar daddies as far away as the Middle East making them not have to strip anymore.
I agree extras are more common as well as OTC.
or it could be the new prescription eye glasses
The biggest change I've seen in the last 2-3 years is the poor attitudes. I remember 5-10 years ago where it seemed to me like the vast majority of dancers were projecting happy and up-beat attitudes. Not the overwhelming thing I get is "boo-hoo I'm not selling any dancers," or "it's sooo slow." I don't f-ing care. I'm in a strip club to have a good time, not listen to dancers bellyache about shit. IDK, maybe my perception has changed.
The biggest change is probably that the willing dancers are just more forward about what they are willing to do, and with fewer customers out there, the remaining customers are seeing more offers.
If the economy every gets back to where it was, I think you'll see more of the moon-lighting dancer s come back because there will be more money being spent by guys who are not looking for as much mileage. However, I also think you'll see more segregation in cub type: low mileage club with better looking talent v. high mileage with lower quality talent.
of course travel can also burn you in the ass. you can pick a city (dallas as an an example) and target 2-3 clubs during a weekend. my expectations for a trip like this is to run into anywhere from 65-100 girls total. chances are 10% of them will be my type. so that's 6-10 targets to choose from. so if the number of targets is less than 50% that weekend, you're shit outta luck. go back to the airplane on return flight pissed off and feeling like shit. the weekend right after that one will most likely be much better, with my shitty luck of course. this has happened to me a couple of times in the last 10 years.
4-5 years ago girl looks 7.5 attitude 9 will do whatever you want to get you off. if interested won't even have to pay. just wait for her shift to end so pick up is free for a suck and fuck.
few weeks ago. same club another girl looks 5.5-6 attitude: shitty. no good lapdance and before that wants a tip for doing nothing and acts like like a nasty twat while asking for that tip.
i fucking hate new york!!!
It takes living and working hard to get away from it to truly understand how detestable hood culture is.
There is also some truth to what Papi mentioned. Strip clubs are more numerous, so the talent gets watered down. Also, strip clubs are more socially accepted than they were in the past, so even ugly women think it is not shameful to get naked for a pedestrian $100/night.
Also, look at how the majority of women 18-35 have tattoos and piercings. It is an epidemic. The majority of guys on here (most seem to be older) have voiced in the past that they are not big into that stuff. A 10 could drop to an 8 once she destroys herself with body mods.
You say that like it's a *bad* thing. :)
Not so sure about sugarbaby sites. They may keep some talent away and some whales out of the club.