My local strip club, Delilah Den Tom River, NJ, has pissed me up to no end. My aggravations continue to pile up. They are now requiring a photo of all of the customers drivers license. I find this unnecessary and intrusive. Many to us come to strip clubs because of anonimity. Even escort agencies do not require a photo of your drivers license. They may ask for your name and place of work to verify employment. DDTR is saying that this policy is to protect the girls, staff, and also, the customers. How does this protect the customers? Some of the stripper do not even have drivers license? They say that all the photos are destroyed at the end of the day. Have your heard of this anywhere else? Will you allow a photo of your drivers license at your SC? I think that this is the stray that finally broke the camels back.
I have been asked on a couple of occasions to show my I. D. and it irks me the same way as when a sales clerk asks for it when I buy cigarettes or liquor. At 72 years I hardly look underage. Do LE have a different drivers license?
Do any of the other local strip clubs photocopy your ID as well? Have there been any LE problems at any other local strip clubs? It could be something new that the local LE is asking them to do, or it could be some new anti-SC ordinance by some overly moralistic politician who's trying to discourage and shut down SCs.
My impression is that it is usually done in places that are technically "private clubs". Sometimes required by local ordinances. If I remember correctly there was a place like that in the late '90s in beautiful Columbus, OH. Had "platinum" in the name, but of course that only narrows it down to 25% of SCs.
Not sure why in that case -- other Columbus clubs didn't do that. But I remember askin why they wanted a photocopy and I could swear the answer was "oh, we're a private club and now you're a member".
Unless you're in a position to be blackmailed or haunted by a SC visit I don't see any issue. I don't like it but I also don't really care.
Two of the local clubs do this, one other scans the magnetic stripe on the back. One purpose is that if there is trouble in the club or parking lot, they have a record who was there and can possibly identify the perpetrators from the drivers license photo. It has proved useful at least once for a local club that was publicized, in that case, a shooter in the parking lot was identified from his drivers license. I am told it is also used if there are problems with credit cards.
Once when a bouncer was checking my ID, he noticed it had expired and would not let me enter the club...even after I told him I was not going to drive in the club.
I've had it done a couple of times over the years but it's rare. I was new to clubbing and didn't know any better. Today I would refuse and go to my 2nd choice in the area.
I go to one club that requires you to register with name address phone etc. but I made it all up and they don't check or care. Just some stupid legal requirement to be a membership club.
I get asked for my licence when I go into every club in Vegas, I can't understand the need to even show it at any club because surely if you wee causing a problem they'd just kick you out and if it was more serious they would detain you until the police arrive? I never make a fuss though, after all I always remember I am a guest in your country and it's rude for a guest to upset the host.
If I were you I would either not go in again while they have this policy or ask for them to let you have the copy when you leave, even if they can make a second generation copy.
There was a local club here in South Florida that started doing it and did it for a about a year or so (they would swipe your DL) – they don’t do it anymore but it may have been b/c there was a change in management.
I think @harderlap well outlined the reasons they may do this. I don’t like it either but I can see why clubs may want to do this and I don’t think they have any bad intentions. SCs are kinda a fringe type business and thus a PL has no choice but to put up with some of the BS.
I think there are several clubs in Prince George’s County, MD that do this and require you to “become a member” – I assume it has something to do w/ local ordinances or trying to get around certain ordinances.
I’ve even heard of some very upscale/expensive clubs even requiring a thumb print if a PL purchases high-end items like VIPs and expensive bottles.
I have not heard anyone having issues w.r.t. SCs and IDs and although I don’t like it it’s not enough for me to let it ruin my PL game.
There are also clubs that ask everyone for ID even though they just look at it and don’t do anything w/ it – I think they may do this to keep out certain riff raff that don’t even have any ID (or they may just want to make sure they can identify everyone in the club).
@ Londonguy: The Las Vegas clubs are a different "animal" than the rest of the country. A lot of them charge different admission prices depending on whether or not you are a local resident, and whether or not you arrived by taxi. The clubs you alluded to may have just been checking to see if you're a local.
The reason this would protect people, like customers, is that it might discourage crime, like violence and robbery. So I am sure that if something happens, then they don't destroy the information.
PhantomGeek is right, as I would expect something like this in a members only club.
As far as it being done in San Francisco, this is news to me.
If someone doesn't have a driver's license, they can usually get a state id card. They probably will need it anyway.
No, I would not like them doing this. But on the other hand, I don't want to be in any place which is unsafe. Maybe it is local law? Maybe insurance regs?
I have never been asked for such a thing, and I think I would want to know more about the place before I consented to it. Like I would not want to be accused of a crime for trying to do FS with a dancer, that sort of thing.
i will stay away from this high mileage club until the policy is repealed. I do have a morality clause in my employment contract and would hate to be found in a place when an incident occurs. Your drivers license is a primary source identity verification. It has your full name, home address, DOB, and in some cases, SS number. In the wrong hands, a background check can quickly be made, and a new identity created. I have no problem with my driver license being visually inspected, but no photos.
Not sure the reasoning for your club but here are some reasons I have known in the past.
1. In Ontario (years ago) somehow a few of the strip clubs got around a 'loophole' in the city ordinance where as by making the club a 'members only' club they could still allow smoking inside the club. By doing this they had to keep the 'members' information on file and charge a $5 yearly fee. The info on file was your DL and you were handed a card to put in your wallet making you a 'member.' Lose your card? Well then they can just look up your DL on file and issue a new one. I think it was a racket just to get an additional $5 out of each patron personally.
2. Another reason as mentioned above could be safety. I know some casinos require all gamblers on the floor to have a "players card" to be able to gamble which is tied into their system which is tied into the players information. I have seen on more than one occasion some dumb ass go gamble, then a few minutes later state troopers come arrest the guy because a warrant is out for his arrest. Maybe there's a similar request from local jurisdictions for strip clubs as well? Because we all know bad guys hang out at strip clubs.
Happened a couple of times and I found out I could exit as quickly as I entered. Being in S. Florida with an abundance of clubs, that gives me options that others don't have.
The only time my license was copied is when I borrowed money on my AMEX. Stupid ,one time thinking but I saw why they wanted that. Any other reason would be a deal breaker.
I'll pile on, I'd walk. I'll show it upon entrance, but it stays in my hand the entire time. No scanning, no photocopying, no picture taking, none of that nonsense. There's not just the privacy issue with respect to it being a strip club, but also the more generic issue of identify theft being a fairly serious issue and me not trusting dumbfuck strip club management to store my information in a reasonably secure manner, much less something that was PCI-DSS compliant.
I am licensed to work in casinos in Florida. For some reason they what to keep my drivers license while I am in the casino. So far (twice) I've not complained to my management, but I think I will with all the ID theft these days. Sure look at it and compare with the casino license, but what need do they have to keep it? Also, I doubt anyone would look at my DL picture and think it is me.
@sanjoseguy: "As far as it being done in San Francisco, this is news to me."
During the day, the smaller deja vu clubs that are open -- the little broadway clubs like Roaring 20s -- do it. At night, some of the bigger deja vu clubs -- like Hustler -- also do it. That could have changed in the last year and a half or so, I've been doing strictly dayshift at the big clubs for a while, but that's the way things were in mid-13. The independent clubs (MBOT & CH) and Gold Club did not institute license scanning, not sure about Penthouse.
Management claims the reasoning behind it is for crime preventation in general, and if a crime does occur in the club (an assault, people skipping out on dance or bar bills) to help track that person down,
Strippers and bouncers usually collude to rob customers. What if there is a disgreememt between a customers and a stripper regarding the VIP tip. An argument ensues and before you know it, your photo, home address, and DL info, is plastered on facebook, twitter, and other social media. SC reside on the fringes of the law, and have poor encryption and security apparatus. I will walk away from this nonsense.
Subraman, you visit the SF clubs! We've had a couple of discussions about them. Please do jump in, because I am sure you go to them more than I ever have. I have always been suspicious of them, once they went to booths instead lap sitting. I've always suspected that they are the modern version of a clip joint, selling more fantasy than delivery, and using arbitrary rules to limit your interactions with the dancer. And so I've generally kept my P4P to AMPs, as I know how they operate and I find them to be very good.
I am even more suspicious about deja vu. I see them as a think tank. They figure out how to limit the mileage while squeezing as much money out of you as possible.
As far as the driver's license scans, I would go along with it.
As far as membership clubs, what these do is they make it like a swingers club. No longer any rules about public nudity or public sex acts. So what ever a dancer wanted to do with you in the main room is okay. It gets the place around all the local ordinances too. It makes it that much harder for LE to get in, and that much harder for the place to become a political issue.
ujay,
You wrote, "I do have a morality clause in my employment contract."
I hope you can see the impropriety and injustice in this. It just means that they are claiming a right to fire you for any reason. This is not lawful.
What it sounds like is a throw back to the 1950's and some of the stories about SoCal Aerospace / Defense Contractors and security clearances. I would suggest talking to a lawyer and also contacting some of the local swingers clubs and finding out how they see this.
Without knowing more about it, I would suspect that it is not worth worrying about.
Most drivers license have a magnetic strip on them like a credit card. Clubs in WV require you to show a photo ID AND Some Are Scanning YOUR ID WITH A Magnetic CARD reader.
I have only had one Rhino club demand to see my DL and then ran it thru a reader. Every time a new guy was given front door duty, this would happen. After the third time I didn't go back for 6 months. It's a random thing...now if they ask, I walk away.
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I would refuse to let them copy it.
Not sure why in that case -- other Columbus clubs didn't do that. But I remember askin why they wanted a photocopy and I could swear the answer was "oh, we're a private club and now you're a member".
Unless you're in a position to be blackmailed or haunted by a SC visit I don't see any issue. I don't like it but I also don't really care.
But, did you done it ONCE?
I go to one club that requires you to register with name address phone etc. but I made it all up and they don't check or care. Just some stupid legal requirement to be a membership club.
If I were you I would either not go in again while they have this policy or ask for them to let you have the copy when you leave, even if they can make a second generation copy.
I think @harderlap well outlined the reasons they may do this. I don’t like it either but I can see why clubs may want to do this and I don’t think they have any bad intentions. SCs are kinda a fringe type business and thus a PL has no choice but to put up with some of the BS.
I think there are several clubs in Prince George’s County, MD that do this and require you to “become a member” – I assume it has something to do w/ local ordinances or trying to get around certain ordinances.
I’ve even heard of some very upscale/expensive clubs even requiring a thumb print if a PL purchases high-end items like VIPs and expensive bottles.
I have not heard anyone having issues w.r.t. SCs and IDs and although I don’t like it it’s not enough for me to let it ruin my PL game.
There are also clubs that ask everyone for ID even though they just look at it and don’t do anything w/ it – I think they may do this to keep out certain riff raff that don’t even have any ID (or they may just want to make sure they can identify everyone in the club).
PhantomGeek is right, as I would expect something like this in a members only club.
As far as it being done in San Francisco, this is news to me.
If someone doesn't have a driver's license, they can usually get a state id card. They probably will need it anyway.
No, I would not like them doing this. But on the other hand, I don't want to be in any place which is unsafe. Maybe it is local law? Maybe insurance regs?
I have never been asked for such a thing, and I think I would want to know more about the place before I consented to it. Like I would not want to be accused of a crime for trying to do FS with a dancer, that sort of thing.
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1. In Ontario (years ago) somehow a few of the strip clubs got around a 'loophole' in the city ordinance where as by making the club a 'members only' club they could still allow smoking inside the club. By doing this they had to keep the 'members' information on file and charge a $5 yearly fee. The info on file was your DL and you were handed a card to put in your wallet making you a 'member.' Lose your card? Well then they can just look up your DL on file and issue a new one. I think it was a racket just to get an additional $5 out of each patron personally.
2. Another reason as mentioned above could be safety. I know some casinos require all gamblers on the floor to have a "players card" to be able to gamble which is tied into their system which is tied into the players information. I have seen on more than one occasion some dumb ass go gamble, then a few minutes later state troopers come arrest the guy because a warrant is out for his arrest. Maybe there's a similar request from local jurisdictions for strip clubs as well? Because we all know bad guys hang out at strip clubs.
During the day, the smaller deja vu clubs that are open -- the little broadway clubs like Roaring 20s -- do it. At night, some of the bigger deja vu clubs -- like Hustler -- also do it. That could have changed in the last year and a half or so, I've been doing strictly dayshift at the big clubs for a while, but that's the way things were in mid-13. The independent clubs (MBOT & CH) and Gold Club did not institute license scanning, not sure about Penthouse.
Management claims the reasoning behind it is for crime preventation in general, and if a crime does occur in the club (an assault, people skipping out on dance or bar bills) to help track that person down,
I am even more suspicious about deja vu. I see them as a think tank. They figure out how to limit the mileage while squeezing as much money out of you as possible.
As far as the driver's license scans, I would go along with it.
As far as membership clubs, what these do is they make it like a swingers club. No longer any rules about public nudity or public sex acts. So what ever a dancer wanted to do with you in the main room is okay. It gets the place around all the local ordinances too. It makes it that much harder for LE to get in, and that much harder for the place to become a political issue.
ujay,
You wrote, "I do have a morality clause in my employment contract."
I hope you can see the impropriety and injustice in this. It just means that they are claiming a right to fire you for any reason. This is not lawful.
What it sounds like is a throw back to the 1950's and some of the stories about SoCal Aerospace / Defense Contractors and security clearances. I would suggest talking to a lawyer and also contacting some of the local swingers clubs and finding out how they see this.
Without knowing more about it, I would suspect that it is not worth worrying about.
SJG
Maybe just to see if it is a crude counterfeit article.
I think the reason is just that it deters crime. It may be an insurance requirement.
I don't like it, but if there is a problem of violence and danger, I would go along with it.
SJG