The End of an Era

33 comments

• Dougster

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  10 years ago

  Do you ever stop whining, being cynical and seeing the worst in everything, jerkoffson? Lighten up and kiss a girl without paying or something.
• SlickSpic

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  10 years ago

  1. Good post. I agree with many of your sentiments. 2. Tattoos. Personally, I believe that the value/meaning if tattoos has gone downhill. Too many people have them and they for the most part, worthless. People who sport fine-line, gangster-style tattoos but are average joes annoy me. You want a certain look and swagger but you don't put in the time, heart, and work to really represent. 3. I have to disagree that the youth are headed downhill. I'll use my 18 year old niece who just graduated high school and has a scholarship as an example. 4.0 gpa, great SAT scores, two time MVP on her tennis team, she mentors and volunteers at the library and Girl Scouts. Her best friend as a freshman is still her best friend. When her best friend's dad died sophomore year, my niece was there for her friend. 4. There's hope for the youth. They haven't gotten this nation in debt, have they? That's the older generation. With the internet there's knowledge, and knowledge is power if you use it correctly. Thanks for posting.
• Dougster

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  10 years ago

  I like how farmerart put it - "it's a great time to be alive". The strip club scene has never been more fun. Millenials are looking set to be the best generation ever (most tolerant, technologically aware, entrepreneurial, health conscious to name just a few points). Technology is about to explode exponentially, especially in areas like medicine. Parts of the world beyond the West are looking to rapidly come online and climb out of poverty. Sure the millenials and GenX'ers inherited a huge set of problems from the boomers to deal with, but look ready to rise to the challenge. Think the OP is just old, crusty, nostalgic and resentful.
• SlickSpic

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  10 years ago

  @Doug-Thank you. I've said the same shit to my uncles and aunts who complain about the kids.
• jerikson40

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  10 years ago

  Honestly, I think this whole generational warfare thing is ridiculous. When you get down to it, we all suck. My generation fucked things up in some ways, and the next generations faithfully do their part to do the same thing. It's just a matter of HOW we suck. Personally, I'm pretty much convinced that, if you put the young generation in our position, they'd do the same things, and fuck things up just as much. And vice versa. Young(er) kids were walking hand in hand with the older generation, and both generations were just as responsible for the Wall Street debacle in 2008. Lots of young traders developing these insane "financial products" that meant instant gratification, but long term destruction. You put a poor, out of work hippie from "Occupy Wall Street" at a trading desk on Wall Street with a flashy suit and a chance to make $1 million per year, and I guarantee he'd do the same thing to fuck up the economy. My only point is that the younger generation is being grossly misled into thinking they're so wonderful and socially connected, when in fact they are, IMO, the least socially connected and most self centered generation.
• sharkhunter

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  10 years ago

  Who's worried about kids of today being fat and unable to do things in the real world? Almost no one. They have playstation skills should a country ever decide to attack the US in the future. They can hit the like button on all a countries enemies. That'll showem. lol.
• gawker

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  10 years ago

  Good points, Slick. I've worked with youth for close to 45 years and kids are kids. They're generally no different now than 50 years ago. Aristotle is quoted as condemning youth who he saw as rebellious, self-centered, and impolite. Yep. It's in their job descriptions. Whether it's Facebook, Twitter, telephones or the internet, kids will do whatever it takes to piss off authority. There are plenty of kids like Slick's niece who are goal oriented, hard working, super achievers. They just don't work in strip clubs.
• Dougster

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  10 years ago

  jerkoffson: "Lots of young traders developing these insane 'financial products' that meant instant gratification, but long term destruction. " And why were they allowed to get away with it? Old cold war ideology that there must be zero regulation of the free market (market failures do not exist - if you think you have found one what you are seeing is actually good no matter if it passes the smell test or not). Given an inch and, next thing you know, we would be Soviet Union. That's one of the great things about the current generation, that that kind of extreme thinking is on its way out. Just few rapidly aging tv anchors preaching to increasing smaller choirs preaching it now.
• sclvr5005

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  10 years ago

  I had hoped that the bitter & delusional OP had crawled off somewhere never to be seen again. How disappointing to see it back.
• Dougster

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  10 years ago

  I love how jerkoffson started off with a useless tirade against millennials but then, when he saw he would get some pushback instead of people just nodding their heads like "yeah, so true" he instantly sort of backed off and even claimed generational warfare (which he tried to start just a post earlier) was "ridiculous".
• rattdog

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  10 years ago

  "The strip club scene has never been more fun." that depends on the strip clubs and the cities that they are one. what jerikson initially posted-spot on. in addition, a lot of these strippers were already spoiled before even stepping through the doors of their first strip club. self-entitlement. these girls already hot to begin with, are raised to be princesses by their parent(s), getting cell phones that have cameras and videogames built in, whatever asked will be provided for instantly. take these strippers - both 9's: a) 21 yr old from 10 years ago b) 21 yr old present day. stripper a in more likelihood would be willing to put out more and work for her money. she would let you suck her tittles and more often than not let you take your dick out on her. stripper b would most likely act like well she's a hottie in this club, and therefore by just looking hot if you give her 20 bucks for a lap she really doesn't have to do a damn thing. suck her titties or anything beyond that might initiate a bouncer tossing you out of the club. stripper b would more than likely have the stripperweb mentality down to the tee. you still will find stripper a here and there nowadays, but unfortunately b outnumbers a by a higher ratio, and that ratio is probably going to get higher as the crappy trend continues thoughout the nation.
• georgmicrodong

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  10 years ago

  I agree with Dougster. *Every* generation of kids complains about their parents, and *every* generation of parents complains about their kids. When I was a kid, TV was going to be the end of society. When my parents were younger, rock and roll music was the culprit. Now it's Facebook and other social media. Yes, there are people who take FB, Twitter, et al too seriously, just as there were people who took TV and music too seriously. Most people grow out of it, and into a world where they will have to work together with other people in some way, or fail. Some will succeed, and some will fail, just as in generations past. With regard to strip clubs, I decline to agree with your supposition that we're seeing a decline. *Some* clubs, certainly, in *some* areas. In other areas, though, things are getting better. Honestly, given our kids' attitudes towards sex in general, I wouldn't be at all surprised to see strip clubs make even more advances.
• sinclair

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  10 years ago

  I see jerkisons point. Strip clubs are about interpersonal interaction and nowadays alot of young people do not know how to carry on a conversation that is not texting or facebook. Alot of the younger dancers have big egos and no social skills. Usually the older dancers have the gift of gab and are more customer service oriented. This is not just a strip club problem, it is happening everywhere. A good example is the idiot in Santa Barbara who killed 7 people. His neighbors said he locked himself in his room all day or drove around alone all day. He clearly did not know how to interact with others. He acted like he was "superman" on his Youtube account, but was scared to approach people in real life. He thought he was a video game character shooting up the town. He only cared about himself and his own gratification. He didn't even think about the lives and families that were destroyed. They call this the "me-generation".
• alabegonz

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  10 years ago

  When I was younger, growing up around the core family, and during times when extended families gather, I overhear them complaining about how rock-n-roll music has eroded or diminished the, charisma of Elvis Presley, Frank Sinatra, Johnny Cash, The Platters, Nat King Cole, Converse to name a few. While I don't really dig what they're saying, to me it sounded them saying the generation I'm growing up in have pushed them back away from and into a some sort of background. Later on, I would rationalize that as they got older and as expected they failed to adapt to Color TVs, VCRs, Walkmans and Nike.
• Dolfan

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  10 years ago

  I agree w/ GMD. It seems pretty normal to me. Young people bitch about old people, old people bitch about young ones. Its just the natural order of things. I don't mean to be judgmental, even though I know this next bit will sound that way. Are you sure about the cause and effect here? Is the reason the strippers are buried in their phones because they can't talk to you or because you can't talk to them? Realistically, its probably a bit of both. Its also to be expected and not indicative of a societal degeneration of any sort. Interests, experiences, vocabulary, perspective, etc. all change as we grow older. Its naturally going to be harder for you to talk to 19yr old hotties at 50 or 60 than it is at 20 or 30. The only real threat I see to strip clubs is a growing disparity between conservative and liberal attitudes towards them. The folks who are offended by such open expressions of prurience don't combine well increasingly lascivious behavior in clubs. I'm hoping it'll just be small periodic "crackdowns" for the most egregious clubs, but I'm afraid it'll turn into "war on sluts" or something and these prudes will try to ban strip clubs on a grand scale.
• crazyjoe

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  10 years ago

  Good riddance to the past. Living there is like trying to drive a car by only looking in the rear view mirror
• zipman68

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  10 years ago

  Crazyjoe dude, that is actually quite profound. Did you say it to burn the OP for claiming we're all six year olds? As dor the topic, it stimulated interesting discussion but, as many have stated, generations have said this about each other for time immemorial. Old dudes are SUPPOSED to say "hey you kids, get off my lawn" and kids are SUPPOSED to say "you don't know what my generation knows old man - I'm going to express my insights by ______". The decision, however, to fill in the blank with "getting stupid tats" is unfortunate. When the '70s were over you could reprint, burn your clothes, and send the AMC to the junkyard. When the '80s were over you old get smaller glasses and a reasonable haircut. And so forth. But now? Ain't no goin' back from those tats!
• JohnSmith69

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  10 years ago

  I think the girls of the current generation are pretty awesome. They have been exposed to porn at an early age, and this has made them slutty whores in a way that has never been true of any prior generation. Compared to when I was in my 20s, sex from young girls is far more available today than it used to be. Maybe these girls will grow up to be the same as older women of past generations, sexless and frigid but for now, I am optimistic about the future of strip clubs.
• jerikson40

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  10 years ago

  "Is the reason the strippers are buried in their phones because they can't talk to you or because you can't talk to them? Realistically, its probably a bit of both. Its also to be expected and not indicative of a societal degeneration of any sort. Interests, experiences, vocabulary, perspective, etc. all change as we grow older. Its naturally going to be harder for you to talk to 19yr old hotties at 50 or 60 than it is at 20 or 30." I agree with what you're saying. But I think you're missing the point. Many things in life are difficult. Of course it's difficult for a young hottie to talk to a stranger she doesn't know, especially if the stranger isn't a hot young guy she instantly connects with. That's obvious. But the point is how people handle it. The choice for the young hottie is to: A. put in the effort and learn how to talk to customers since, well, that's her job and that's how she will make money, or B. bury her head in her cellphone to avoid that difficult situation, all the while being supported by her peers because that type of self centered behavior is seen as normal nowadays. In different cultures and societies the prevailing attitude might be to expect people to learn how to deal with others on a personal level, and put in the effort. My point is that the culture of the younger generation seems to be that avoidance and self centeredness are the norm. Again, I'm not knocking the younger generation any more than I knock my own generation. As I said before, we all have our faults. We all suck. It's just a matter of HOW we suck. Personally, I grew up in the 70's and 80's. When I was a kid, it was the hippie generation. And I was ashamed to be associated with such a bunch of self centered leeches. We all have the same basic flaws. We're all self centered, we all have fragile egos, we all want to avoid difficulties, and on and on. But the different generations are marked by how they handle those flaws, and whether they try to overcome them or they convince each other that those flaws are awesome. IMO, in the current generation, self centeredness and avoidance have become accepted and promoted, rather than flaws to be overcome.
• Dougster

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  10 years ago

  ^^^ blah, blah, blah. Sorry you aren't able to figure out how to have fun in strip clubs these days, jerkoffson. Hasn't been that hard for the rest of us to figure out.
• jerikson40

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  10 years ago

  BTW, I find it kind of interesting and humorous that so many here are steering the discussion towards the age-old battle of the generations. Of course that battle has always been there, and always will be there. And some of the arguments between generations are true, and some are bogus. So what? Just because the generational battle exists doesn't imply that you should dismiss it, or that no part of it is valid. Of course the older generation comments on the younger generation, and the younger generation comments on the older generation. That's what we do. And sometimes the comments are perfectly appropriate and valid, and sometimes they are just pissing and moaning. But that doesn't mean it's ALL just pissing and moaning, does it?
• sclvr5005

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  10 years ago

  ^^What Dougster said.
• sclvr5005

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  10 years ago

  "But that doesn't mean it's ALL just pissing and moaning, does it?" In your case that's ALL it is.
• Dougster

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  10 years ago

  I love how jerkoff starts off a thread with a tirade versus millennials then claims he finds it amusing how OTHERS are trying to steer things toward generational warfare. So I guess as long he was on the offensive versus millennials and though everyone would just nod in agreement everything was cool, but once others take some shots at his own generation, no longer fun and let's just not do this.
• TortillaChip

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  10 years ago

  Dougster is arguing with himself, or is it Jerickson arguing with himself?
• sclvr5005

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  10 years ago

  ^^Nah they are obviously not the same person. While Dougster can be argumentative and confrontational, he is definitely not an old bitter whiny little bitch like this jerkison appears to be.
• Papi_Chulo

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  10 years ago

  We are born selfish and become more selfless as we mature – it is a process that takes its time and every generation goes/has-to-go thru it – it is just part of growing up and maturing. I grew up in the 80s (my teen years more or less) and the 80s generation where often referred as the go-go yuppies just focused on work; climbing the corporate ladder; and how much they could make/increase-their-salary – and this often at the peril of family life (divorce rate) and even personal health Today’s generation seems to be more socially conscious and care more about social ills rather than having a Beemer and the 4 bedroom house in the suburbs which seemed to be what mostly/exclusively drove the yuppie gen. Things change – in the 60s it seemed as if “civilized society” was coming to and end – but we made it thru – as has been posted; every generation is going to shake their heads at the younger generation.
• Papi_Chulo

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  10 years ago

  “… Maybe I'm wrong about all of this, but I really sense that we are at the end of an era of good strip clubs in the US …” This is what the thread should have really being about IMHO. I’ve also been thinking about this lately – sometimes I think the heyday of SCs has come and gone – I don’t think many/most SCs are doing enough to maintain current PLs and attract new ones – with the competition of online (cams; escorts; etc); many PLs feel they may be getting better value (more bang for their buck) via other non-SC avenues. Instead of offering better value; most SCs seem intent on squeezing every cent out of a PL while simultaneously offering less for your money thus leaving a PL feeling as if he *wasted* his money rather than it being a worthwhile “investment” (not saying this is the absolute case in every situation; but feels pretty common to me w.r.t. many clubs).
• alabegonz

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  10 years ago

  iPhones brought a big change to how strippers behave in the SC and that will be like a permanent fixture from now on. So how do PLs like me adapt to these strippers who find themselves in PrayerPhone position? I would simply ignore them simply because they are not present, their attention is somewhere out there in cyberworld. Hence the term PrayerPhone, they are physically here but their minds are somewhere else.
• Papi_Chulo

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  10 years ago

  w.r.t. dancers and phones – it starts and ends with management IMO – many well managed SCs I will never see a dancer with a ph in her hand while on the floor
• goonster

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  10 years ago

  Personally, I prefer the young little things. 20 years ago getting a stripper to let you do anal with her was nearly impossible. Nowadays, little 18-20 year old strippers have been awash with porn for at least the last 10 years of their life on the Internet, and things like that are considered normal for them. They're more sexually adventurous. It's a great time to be a monger. Are they immature? Sure. They're really young, don't expect them to act like they're 30+ because they're not.
• Dougster

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  10 years ago

  ^^^ But, in a follow up to The System, rickdugan said to avoid the young ones and target single moms late 20s to early 30s. Could it be that that dumbfuck doesn't know what the fuck he is talking about?
• DandyDan

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  10 years ago

  I have thought lately that most of the strip clubs around me are going downhill myself. A lot of places have closed in my area, and it's not like new ones just keep popping up everywhere. Granted, a lot of them were bikini bars that I avoided, but the fact is, the laws are not going to suddenly accomodate an influx of strip clubs, or even bikini bars. The thing I worry about is that most are poorly managed and if something really bad happened, they'd probably close up. I worry about one club in my region precisely because they are being sued, and if they have to pay up, that just might be the end of it, and that's the place with the best girls, all things considered. That's the one thing about my favorite club as well. They probably celebrated the fact they had their day in court and won, but not all victories are perfectly good. I think the fact they were in court to begin with screwed them over more than they will ever acknowledge. They pretty much got stuck in a crap building in a nowhere town where the locals are out to get them. They'd like to advertise on local radio, but no one wants their ads. I worry about whether 5 years from now whether they will still be open. All their dancers are old and only getting older (and fatter), and they can't get and keep young ones. As for my #3 place, they seem to have the best chance at stability, but that place is an artistic disaster.