The End of an Era
jerikson40
New York
Maybe I'm wrong about all of this, but I really sense that we are at the end of an era of good strip clubs in the US, and probably the world. I've seen it in the few local clubs I've visited in the last couple of years, and based on my simple characterization of the new generation, I think there's reason to believe we're seeing a general trend.
Now, I tend to have a fairly negative view of the new generation of kids, and, by definition, strippers. I see all of this fascination with "social media" as nothing more than a method for kids to be completely self centered and actually disconnected from society. Their god has become entertainment. All of this connected technology is used for nothing more than entertainment. Kids spend their lives with their noses buried in their cellphones and iPads and laptops, and totally disconnect from the world around them. Their lives are spent watching goofy videos, and with their earphones plugged in listening to music so they can't deal with the world around them, and endless Facebook self-promotion, and playing mind-numbing video games, and on and on.
I'm convinced that this new generation of kids is in no way the "social" generation. In fact, they are not only the real ME generation, they are actually the "you mean there are other people?" generation. Their only concern is being LIKE'd online, and being Facebook superstars, and being famous. All this technology has given them the ultimate mechanism for exploiting those basic fears and insecurities we all have to some degree, and turning them into a lifestyle of avoiding the difficulties of dealing with others.
And I see that in strip clubs. Girls who spend their time with their noses buried in their cellphones all shift, cuz now they have a mechanism to avoid the difficult interactions with customers. And all of their peers support this attitude of self involvement, so it has become a lifestyle. No longer is customer service important, now SELF is important. It's all about SELFIES, and ME, not others. It's all about making short term money, since everything nowadays is INSTANT GRATIFICATION. You don't like someone or something, just click a different link, or block someone who used to be a "friend". Friends are no longer real friends, they are a knee-jerk reaction that can be changed in an instant. Nothing is long term. Girls don't consider building a customer base for future returns, they click their mouse buttons for quick gratification, and go for the quick VIP win, even if it pisses off customers who will never return.
I don't know. It's pretty sad to see a generation of kids being so self centered and misled.
And WTF is this incredible fascination with covering your bodies with tattoos? Geezus, it seems like every kid you see nowadays has got these freakin' murals of tattoos all over their bodies. Not just strippers, but kids on the street. Instant gratification. Imagine how some of that shit will look when they're in their 70's.
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2. Tattoos. Personally, I believe that the value/meaning if tattoos has gone downhill. Too many people have them and they for the most part, worthless. People who sport fine-line, gangster-style tattoos but are average joes annoy me. You want a certain look and swagger but you don't put in the time, heart, and work to really represent.
3. I have to disagree that the youth are headed downhill. I'll use my 18 year old niece who just graduated high school and has a scholarship as an example. 4.0 gpa, great SAT scores, two time MVP on her tennis team, she mentors and volunteers at the library and Girl Scouts. Her best friend as a freshman is still her best friend. When her best friend's dad died sophomore year, my niece was there for her friend.
4. There's hope for the youth. They haven't gotten this nation in debt, have they? That's the older generation. With the internet there's knowledge, and knowledge is power if you use it correctly.
Thanks for posting.
Sure the millenials and GenX'ers inherited a huge set of problems from the boomers to deal with, but look ready to rise to the challenge.
Think the OP is just old, crusty, nostalgic and resentful.
Young(er) kids were walking hand in hand with the older generation, and both generations were just as responsible for the Wall Street debacle in 2008. Lots of young traders developing these insane "financial products" that meant instant gratification, but long term destruction. You put a poor, out of work hippie from "Occupy Wall Street" at a trading desk on Wall Street with a flashy suit and a chance to make $1 million per year, and I guarantee he'd do the same thing to fuck up the economy.
My only point is that the younger generation is being grossly misled into thinking they're so wonderful and socially connected, when in fact they are, IMO, the least socially connected and most self centered generation.
And why were they allowed to get away with it? Old cold war ideology that there must be zero regulation of the free market (market failures do not exist - if you think you have found one what you are seeing is actually good no matter if it passes the smell test or not). Given an inch and, next thing you know, we would be Soviet Union. That's one of the great things about the current generation, that that kind of extreme thinking is on its way out. Just few rapidly aging tv anchors preaching to increasing smaller choirs preaching it now.
that depends on the strip clubs and the cities that they are one.
what jerikson initially posted-spot on. in addition, a lot of these strippers were already spoiled before even stepping through the doors of their first strip club. self-entitlement. these girls already hot to begin with, are raised to be princesses by their parent(s), getting cell phones that have cameras and videogames built in, whatever asked will be provided for instantly.
take these strippers - both 9's:
a) 21 yr old from 10 years ago
b) 21 yr old present day.
stripper a in more likelihood would be willing to put out more and work for her money. she would let you suck her tittles and more often than not let you take your dick out on her.
stripper b would most likely act like well she's a hottie in this club, and therefore by just looking hot if you give her 20 bucks for a lap she really doesn't have to do a damn thing. suck her titties or anything beyond that might initiate a bouncer tossing you out of the club.
stripper b would more than likely have the stripperweb mentality down to the tee. you still will find stripper a here and there nowadays, but unfortunately b outnumbers a by a higher ratio, and that ratio is probably going to get higher as the crappy trend continues thoughout the nation.
*Every* generation of kids complains about their parents, and *every* generation of parents complains about their kids. When I was a kid, TV was going to be the end of society. When my parents were younger, rock and roll music was the culprit. Now it's Facebook and other social media.
Yes, there are people who take FB, Twitter, et al too seriously, just as there were people who took TV and music too seriously. Most people grow out of it, and into a world where they will have to work together with other people in some way, or fail. Some will succeed, and some will fail, just as in generations past.
With regard to strip clubs, I decline to agree with your supposition that we're seeing a decline. *Some* clubs, certainly, in *some* areas. In other areas, though, things are getting better. Honestly, given our kids' attitudes towards sex in general, I wouldn't be at all surprised to see strip clubs make even more advances.
A good example is the idiot in Santa Barbara who killed 7 people. His neighbors said he locked himself in his room all day or drove around alone all day. He clearly did not know how to interact with others. He acted like he was "superman" on his Youtube account, but was scared to approach people in real life. He thought he was a video game character shooting up the town. He only cared about himself and his own gratification. He didn't even think about the lives and families that were destroyed. They call this the "me-generation".
The only real threat I see to strip clubs is a growing disparity between conservative and liberal attitudes towards them. The folks who are offended by such open expressions of prurience don't combine well increasingly lascivious behavior in clubs. I'm hoping it'll just be small periodic "crackdowns" for the most egregious clubs, but I'm afraid it'll turn into "war on sluts" or something and these prudes will try to ban strip clubs on a grand scale.
As dor the topic, it stimulated interesting discussion but, as many have stated, generations have said this about each other for time immemorial. Old dudes are SUPPOSED to say "hey you kids, get off my lawn" and kids are SUPPOSED to say "you don't know what my generation knows old man - I'm going to express my insights by ______".
The decision, however, to fill in the blank with "getting stupid tats" is unfortunate. When the '70s were over you could reprint, burn your clothes, and send the AMC to the junkyard. When the '80s were over you old get smaller glasses and a reasonable haircut. And so forth. But now? Ain't no goin' back from those tats!
I agree with what you're saying. But I think you're missing the point. Many things in life are difficult. Of course it's difficult for a young hottie to talk to a stranger she doesn't know, especially if the stranger isn't a hot young guy she instantly connects with. That's obvious.
But the point is how people handle it. The choice for the young hottie is to: A. put in the effort and learn how to talk to customers since, well, that's her job and that's how she will make money, or B. bury her head in her cellphone to avoid that difficult situation, all the while being supported by her peers because that type of self centered behavior is seen as normal nowadays.
In different cultures and societies the prevailing attitude might be to expect people to learn how to deal with others on a personal level, and put in the effort. My point is that the culture of the younger generation seems to be that avoidance and self centeredness are the norm.
Again, I'm not knocking the younger generation any more than I knock my own generation. As I said before, we all have our faults. We all suck. It's just a matter of HOW we suck.
Personally, I grew up in the 70's and 80's. When I was a kid, it was the hippie generation. And I was ashamed to be associated with such a bunch of self centered leeches. We all have the same basic flaws. We're all self centered, we all have fragile egos, we all want to avoid difficulties, and on and on. But the different generations are marked by how they handle those flaws, and whether they try to overcome them or they convince each other that those flaws are awesome.
IMO, in the current generation, self centeredness and avoidance have become accepted and promoted, rather than flaws to be overcome.
So what?
Just because the generational battle exists doesn't imply that you should dismiss it, or that no part of it is valid.
Of course the older generation comments on the younger generation, and the younger generation comments on the older generation. That's what we do. And sometimes the comments are perfectly appropriate and valid, and sometimes they are just pissing and moaning. But that doesn't mean it's ALL just pissing and moaning, does it?
In your case that's ALL it is.
So I guess as long he was on the offensive versus millennials and though everyone would just nod in agreement everything was cool, but once others take some shots at his own generation, no longer fun and let's just not do this.
I grew up in the 80s (my teen years more or less) and the 80s generation where often referred as the go-go yuppies just focused on work; climbing the corporate ladder; and how much they could make/increase-their-salary – and this often at the peril of family life (divorce rate) and even personal health
Today’s generation seems to be more socially conscious and care more about social ills rather than having a Beemer and the 4 bedroom house in the suburbs which seemed to be what mostly/exclusively drove the yuppie gen.
Things change – in the 60s it seemed as if “civilized society†was coming to and end – but we made it thru – as has been posted; every generation is going to shake their heads at the younger generation.
This is what the thread should have really being about IMHO.
I’ve also been thinking about this lately – sometimes I think the heyday of SCs has come and gone – I don’t think many/most SCs are doing enough to maintain current PLs and attract new ones – with the competition of online (cams; escorts; etc); many PLs feel they may be getting better value (more bang for their buck) via other non-SC avenues.
Instead of offering better value; most SCs seem intent on squeezing every cent out of a PL while simultaneously offering less for your money thus leaving a PL feeling as if he *wasted* his money rather than it being a worthwhile “investment†(not saying this is the absolute case in every situation; but feels pretty common to me w.r.t. many clubs).
So how do PLs like me adapt to these strippers who find themselves in PrayerPhone position?
I would simply ignore them simply because they are not present, their attention is somewhere out there in cyberworld. Hence the term PrayerPhone, they are physically here but their minds are somewhere else.
Are they immature? Sure. They're really young, don't expect them to act like they're 30+ because they're not.