Confused by animosity towards stripperweb
rickdugan
Verified and Certifiable Super-Reviewer
I just don't get it. I am a regular poster on both sites and find them both to be excellent resources, for different reasons of course. Now if I had a gun to my head and had to choose just one then I would have to pick tuscl as the reviews are simply irreplaceable to me, but SW is an interesting place and I've picked up tidbits and insights that have helped me refine my game, especially with harder to bag hotties that reside in some of the clubs in the NE. ;)
I have heard a lot of complaints on here about the SW Moderators, but I have never felt particularly constrained and I have discussed virtually everything there, including raunchy OTC events, fun ITC adventures, games and countergames that I have engaged in with savvy dancers, etc. I have also had a number of debates with dancers about everything from dancer and customer behaviors to nudity expectations. And in doing all of this, I have never been banned or even pointed and I've been posting there for years now.
The only thing that the Moderators ask is that (1) members refrain from personal attacks; (2) customers refrain from baiting the dancers, at least on the pink side of the board (lol); and (3) blues take some of the raunchiest stuff down to the Junkie Forum. So for us that basically means don't attack/bait the dancers and don't act like a fucking child. Honestly, I haven't found these minimal restrictions to be particularly onerous.
Anyway, just my two cents.
I have heard a lot of complaints on here about the SW Moderators, but I have never felt particularly constrained and I have discussed virtually everything there, including raunchy OTC events, fun ITC adventures, games and countergames that I have engaged in with savvy dancers, etc. I have also had a number of debates with dancers about everything from dancer and customer behaviors to nudity expectations. And in doing all of this, I have never been banned or even pointed and I've been posting there for years now.
The only thing that the Moderators ask is that (1) members refrain from personal attacks; (2) customers refrain from baiting the dancers, at least on the pink side of the board (lol); and (3) blues take some of the raunchiest stuff down to the Junkie Forum. So for us that basically means don't attack/bait the dancers and don't act like a fucking child. Honestly, I haven't found these minimal restrictions to be particularly onerous.
Anyway, just my two cents.
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Get it now?
I find this site to be interesting, enlightening, entertaining, and enjoyable but it can also be frustrating and discouraging at times especially when a topic gets hijacked by individual(s) bent on flaming another member for reasons unknown.
I'm not on the pro-moderator side of the argument mind you I just think we could do a better job of keeping things from cycling into personal attacks and flame wars.
they don't seem like the "typical" dancer.
So I don't have much interest in reading about dancers that think all customers all stalkers and the mere thought of an OTC meeting - even dinner - is WAY out of line.
And don't even think about mentioning the disgusting "K" word.
A GREAT deal of this "Stuff" occurs here and perhaps there is a fear that Moderation would take this site to the same level of "minimal restrictions". I believe these members here who attack & bait would find the "Restrictions" too much to bear & something they would HATE because it WOULD restrict their ability to HATE & ATTACK & MOCK & BAIT others!
persons & members.
My 2¢.
Hey, I've seen some tuscl bashing posts over there.
IMO, SW is helpful sometimes, but I like the conversations on this site better.
The girls don't treat us horndogs very nicely so I am surprised to realize that rick hasn't been banned yet.
How long would I last if I signed up for stripperweb, rick?
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Said the pot to the kettle...
SW dancers are not like anything I encounter in the "real" world. But on the other hand, we TUSCL brothers are unlike many casual SC patrons too.
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I get enough of that on this site in between searching for real information. I see no point in going to that site and wade through 10 tons of bullshit to find one gold nugget. If there were no reviews here, this site would be the same.
But, since this site does have reviews most of which I've found to be solid, I don't mind participating on this board despite the trolls and they who think they aren't trolls but actually are.
LOL Farmer. For some reason, I think that you would do just fine over there. ;)
Here's the secret. If the RickyBoy had been born female he would be a lying, theiving, whore wearing a g-string (aka stripper). Since he was born male, however, he is a lying, theiving whore who wears a suit. You will appreciate, nevertheless, the common bond he shares with them SW girls.
And while I think that Yoda is a good guy, IMHO he is a bit heavy handed in moderating the customer sections. At least back in the day it wasn't so PC that you were afraid to post anything for fear of being banned.
Rick, you gave me a much needed boost when I was feeling down in the pink site. Thanks.
Strippers perform a service, you pay them and get in your car and go home. Now I suppose if you care about their wants and needs, and intend to comply with whatever stuff they wish customers would do or whatever, then yeah I suppose it might be beneficial.
But personally I really don't care what they think. I'm sure many think bad things about me and other customers, so that's not something I want to hear about. Or maybe some might be interested in their perspectives for some reason...but I'm just not concerned whatsoever.
And since THEY are providing the service to US, then THEY should be hopping on a men's website to find out what men want in a stripper and how to be better strippers and provide better service, not the other way around.
But I think many men have a fairly low self esteem and want the girls to "like" them.
No problem Jay. I really believe that you should be proud of yourself for everything that you do.
Always your MO. Tell the biggest lie you think you can get away. First you start with the grand slam and hope people just let it go. If you get called down on it, however, then back you off as a little as you can, until you are telling as big a lie as you can but which at least one other person is going to believe you (even if it is only one of your other aliases like MADFAG_ROMEO).
Another part of making the comparison fair would be to tell us what your post count here and on SW was in the last year. Now I know your number here and if I assume your number of SW is a bit higher (going with the historical average) then my rate is a bit higher than yours, but nothing serious. Only about 50% higher.
The thing, however, is that I get the feeling your rate on SW accelerated in the last year. Why? Because you got your ass beaten down by me on here over all your stupid beliefs about strip clubs. In particular when it emerged that you could "just ask" strippers for sex and didn't have to be the only guy wearing a suit in a club you were particularly embarrassed. So you decided to hang out over there instead.
Anyway, why don't you posts *real numbers* as opposed to pulled out your ass, so we can make a fair comparison. Include your total posts here and on SW. (The other thing which would be interesting is to compare lengths of the posts, but I'll let that go since get those numbers would take some work to get.) You up to posting the *real numbers* RickyBoy?
On the other hand, SW is dancer driven and thus it's dancers trying to figure out ways to squeeze the most cash out of customers. The experienced tusclers aren't the ideal customers for most of these dancers, and naturally a lot of these dancers aren't the ones cool with extras etc. They tend to be more of the high hustle type.
Now theres nothing wrong with this, it's just a matter of different demographic. You can certainly learn lots of valuable things on both sites.
He posts were respectful. I guess any mentioning of extras gets one banned. (and no, the guy wasn't me. I've never opened an account there)
That's one of my problems. They seem to be pretty intolerant of any contrary opinions over there.
This loser has been trolling this board since at least 2004, and no post count can accurately reflect how much of his pathetic life he's pissed away here, because it can't include all the past nicknames (bobbyl, davids, cliffbar, etc.) that got him banned and deleted by Founder.
Nice try, creep.
Speaking of multiple aliases, why not tell us all the aliases you post under or have posted under, mr. yourpissedonpot. Talk about fucking projection!
@Duo I know someone who became a cam girl. She found it hard to make enough to live on. She is about as hot as you are (but she is not as good as you are at not letting people get her goat). The sites with many girls want to take a huge percentage, often over 50%. She is mostly working independently. The problems with that are getting paid (paypal refuses to handle "adult" transactions), time-wasters who want a "free sample show", and the large percentage of custies who don't want a show unless it involves sticking dildos in particular oraficies.
Also, again, while we are at, why don't you tell us the other aliases you currently or previously have posted under. :-)
Now I'm not going to quibble about whether you placed 4,000 or 3,300 useless posts over that time, but we all know that you have been at 8-10 posts per day for over a year now. And again, that is only the posting activity under that one screen name.
You know, I find it amazing that on some days that your screen name is absent the board really gets quiet and other sn absences are also noted.
For some this place is an extension of the clubs, for others it serves as a primary source of entertainment. So long as you are getting what you need from it, day, night, overnight, etc., then all power I suppose. ;)
You, however, have gone over the deep end in the past year just with this one screen name on this one site and we all know that you post under multiple names. Seriously dude, is this really so entertaining for you that feel compelled to ride the boards day and night and fill these threads with endless off-topic nonsense? Honestly I just don't get it, but to each his own I suppose...
Nope. You are equivocating. We were talking about the last year and now you go back to over the entire course of your posting history in your case but not for me.
You have posted 900 times here over the last year. Any can verify that by looking at your posting history. Now you joined around April 2010 and have made as many post there as you have here: about 2200. Since that is a shorter amount of time during your membership I'm going to say you made a few more post there in the last year than here so about 1100. Again, that is being generous. Like I say, you seemed to have got scared of posting here after you were out for your non-sense regarding "the system" versus "just ask". It's probably higher than that, but I'll be generous.
Ok, Rick, so it's good for you to set the record straight here. While 8-10 posts a day is excessive, 6-7 is just fine. Oh, and it just so happens you are right at the upper limit of "just fine" so you don't have to call yourself excessive. Funny how that worked out just right for you.
As for endless non-sense. Yep, you old contention that you needed to be the only one wearing a suit in dive club to get extras qualifies for that along with your contention that "just asking" was blatant non-sense that could never work. Fuck you're an idiot.
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Note the posting dates in mid May 2012.
Now do you have more blatant lies to tell that anyone can disprove by merely doing a fact check by looking at your posting history? Or are you going to post as FAGDOG_ROMEO to try and bail yourself out here, by making it look like one other person agrees with you?
RickyBoy: " I have averaged less than 2 posts per day on each site and that has been very consistent over my membership histories"
and then published the link above so that anyone could verify it was a lie.
I had no need to appeal to hearsay that someone 5 years ago said he thought that x and y who posted 8 and 7 years ago, respectively, were actually the same person.
That's how you demonstrate "glaring lies". Point out contradictions with direct quotes. A little more convincing than hearsay that someone 5 years ago thought something ain't it?
SW is meant primarily for strippers. If you feel (as many on this site seem to) that all or virtually all strippers are in some inferior category of people, you have no reason to be on web site for strippers.
I miss Athena from over there, it was fun calling her Nun Stripper and Mrs. Air Dance and giving her a math test. But she never sicked the moderators on me, just flamed me mercilessly.
But you keep dodging the question of why? Why the wild upswing in off topic, diversionary posts over the past year? Why the back and forth with other aliases? Why ride this thing day and night ready to fuck up good threads with all of the above? Is this the only site talking about anything interesting that will still have you? Inquiring minds want to know. ;)
Gee, ya think???
I've said this many times before...the vast majority of women think that strippers are hookers and sluts and whores, and the last thing ANY woman wants to be called is a stripper or hooker or slut or whore. That's why they hide their job from their families, and are deathly embarrassed and ashamed at being strippers, and would sooner die than having their daughters and her schoolmates find out that Mommy is a stripper. But they come up with all kinds of rationalizations to make themselves feel better about it.
And they REALLY hate guys who expect "extras", because that solidifies the fact that strippers really ARE hookers like their Moms told them, which makes the strippers feel even worse.
And they despise anyone who would come to a club to see strippers like themselves. Which is why the vast majority of strippers (yeah, some exceptions) refuse to date customers without being paid for it. Makes them gag. Why? Because the thought that THEIR boyfriend or husband would go to a strip club and oogle other women instead of spending quality time with her is just horrific.
So yeah, with some exceptions I suppose, strippers aren't happy with what they're doing. Which is one reason why often you'll come into a club and the girls are sitting around on their asses texting or off in a corner doing nothing.
Go to McDonald's and "expect" to be served onion rings. See how much they love that. McDonald's will send you to BK for your onion rings, and a (just) lap dancer will send you to Backpage for your extras.
Reminds me of my ATF club review. Written by a dancer who included directions from the club to the nearest hooker stroll, for those so inclined.
Also more hypocrisy from you. You've also had a big uptick in your post count over the last year. Tell you what though. Let's make a deal. You go first and explain the reason for your uptick and then I' ll explain mine. Willing to play Rick?
Pink site: Octagenerian strippers hauling $1000 a night in canada. Zero contact. Forget extras. One such lady posts 200 times a day - must be a magician !
Blue site: Super cool dudes having a line of strippers wanting to get laid - while the dude chows his burger - and post 100 times a day - must be a wizard !
Obviously each site is serving a customer base - else they wouldn't be around.
Fortunately - for all of us - 0.1% of the SC industry - that is 1 in thousand - is even aware of these sites - let alone active within the sites.
Yes - the SC industry is large. Upwards of 1.1M in USA alone - workers and customers. These sites have a few hundred - and only a handful active ones. One way or another - the top hustlers manage to find obliging nice-guys while the top playboys manage to find the newbie damsels-in-distress. At least for a night.
Would love to be a fly on the wall when the grand dame Shana Dior meets playboy Juicebox ! One wants $1000 for an air dance while the other wants an all nighter for a burger.
One thing that disappointed me about SW - guys dominate that place. These ass holes are Quick to ban hapless wanderers - with delusional expectations that their chivalry gets noticed by the strippers - and some day they'll get sex. If you meet one of these ass holes in real life - your dislike for these faggots will turn to pity. I wish strippers ran their own site.
Like I say, especially amongst the super hot ones, many of their entire existences is about their looks, their seductive abilities, their sexuality and sex itself. I'd say there are too many okay with their jobs, and those that actually like it for them to be called "exceptions". The % who would and do date customers had also gone up over time as documented on stripperweb.
You can be a smart guy, jerkoffson, it's just a shame you insist on seeing the world as bleaker place than it is (what million calls negativistic or oppositional personality disorder but which the dsm calls passive-aggressive personality disorder). The world and women are not as bad as you think, and we are hoping for the day finally lighten up and realize this because right now it seems you hating them gives you a bigger hardon than just accepting, liking and having fun with then would.
Sooo...Mikey....
First of all, I thought we were best-est buddies...what happened? You sound a little miffed at me...
Anyway, let me ask you something...
Do you have any rational argument, whatsoever, to counter even one statement I made? I mean, come on guy, you must have SOMETHING other than calling me a jerk, right? Or is it nothing more than "I hate you forever so I'll just all you names"?
Come on Mikey, don't let us down...give us something dude.
I'm sure there's like a really good argument there about onion rings and extras, but I read it 3 times and I have no clue what point you're trying to make.
Could you clarify?
Ibbi,
Since "how" hasn't answered - let me
Ever had to write a one sentence summary of a story or situation? I think how's comment perfectly sums it up. Maybe there isn't just one thread, but if anyone reads thru the threads there and summarizes it in one sentence - then how's comments were spot on.
IIRC, there was a post where jerkoffson implied he was on his 40s or 50s. Whether his "mind" has grown to match his chronological age, is, however, much more debatable.
Many if not most strippers consider it to be the pits to work a 40-hour-a-week office job. Those girls do tend to think that us 40-hour guys must be pretty empty inside to live that way. But I would not call that hating us.
Any stripper with self-respect is going to resent bigotry against strippers, but that's not the same as resenting their job. Although they may very well resent what some people consider to be their job.
Dudes, they are just girls who get naked and entertain for a living. What is there to be so worked up about? Yes some of them lie, both in the club and probably on that board as well, and yes they each seem to be vying for "Head Nun of the Convent" when posting, but so what? If a guy really feels threatened or otherwise worked up enough to react badly over this silly stuff then the issues are his, not theirs.
I cannot help but believe that the guys who are all messed up over posts from girls on SW are the same ones who get defensive and angry in the clubs. That's too bad. I am in clubs a ridiculous amount, yet each time I feel firmly in control and even chuckle at some of the more ridiculous stuff I hear. The power dynamic is firmly in my favor as I have cash in my pocket and many of these girls are stripping because they very much need it. I may not always get what I want, but I rarely pay for something that I don't want and pretty much always enjoy myself.
I guess that for me, SW (and this place to some degree) is just an extension of my club interactions and I cannot fathom why anyone would get worked up over something posted by a dancer on her own support forum.
The reason that I enjoy the clubs and, by extension SW, is not because of any affinity with strippers - lol - but simply because I understand where I sit in the scheme of things. This allows me to remain in calm control regardless of whether it is in a club or on that site. I am in control and only pay for what I want. Simple. The rest is all just silly noise.
I never feel defensive about what strippers do or say, ever. Why would I? This is entertainment for me and I am doing ridiculous stuff with them in points far and wide throughout the year. What is there to get worked up about? They are generally younger girls who (in many cases) have a lot of issues, which led them to dancing in the first place, and now also have to deal with a lot of ridiculous shit from men. Given all of this, the BS and SS that we hear is not surprising. A grown man simply wades through the nonsense to get to the good stuff. Why in the world does any guy, unless he is a broke pussy, need to view any of this as "us" vs. "them?"
I will also say that SW has steepened my learning curve with respect to some of the more sophisticated hustles, so it provides value to me in more ways than simply entertainment.
Oh gawd! Sounds like another addendum coming to "The System". During his first 10 years the RickyBoy learned that the proper and best way to pay hookers for sex is to be the only one wearing a suit in a dive club. That was a development that shocked and amazed the scientific world that it was even possible at all. The RickyBoy was nominated for a Turing Award. During the next 10 years of intensive research, which few thought could be topped, he "steepened his learning curve" and learned how to avoid "the sophisticated hustles". Part of the strategy involved staying at home on nights both your favorites are working. After all if you talk to one if might offend the other.
I'm sure the world is dying for these great insights of yours that are not completely obvious to every single other person in the world.
RickyBoy: " is not because of any affinity with strippers "
Not exactly. You share narcissistic and anti-social traits with them: see your pathological lying and pride in developing "The System".
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I really need to write that up. ;)
However, for the last couple of weeks the trolls on TUSCL have been flooding the board with garbage threads, so I decided to give another look at Stripperweb. This time around I was actually entertained by it. It was informing.
Yes it is clear that some of the girls lie on there, but you actually learn a lot over there too. It is nice to get the dancers' insights. Here on TUSCL, right now we pretty much only have Duo as far as dancer insights. I find that the threads there can be pretty entertaining and informing. For example, a guy asked if strippers were being truthful when they tell customers they are cute, every single dancer that responded to that thread said they only tell customers they are cute if they are indeed cute. There was also a celebrities inside strip clubs thread that was pretty entertaining. Another good thing is that Yoda will get rid of all the garbage stuff that trolls post. I have found there are quite a few respected TUSCL members that are also on Stripperweb (Rickdugan, Lopaw, Minnow, Estafador etc).
I think I will start posting over there. Yes the club reviews SUCK over there, so you obviously come to TUSCL for the reviews. I still prefer TUSCL to Stripperweb, but a change of pace is not so bad every once in a while. Stripperweb is not as bad as everyone says it is.
@dougster- I'm down to end our feud if you are. If not then so be it, but I won't be arguing with you anymore.
LOL. I don't know why I'm still responding as I'm probably the only remaining person who reading this thread, but anyhow...
I just call it like I see it. I am neither sucking up to dancers nor defending customers per se. Both sides do and say good and bad things. I tend to favor the rational elements on each side of the aisle and disagree with the irrational ones. Simple.
I also found some very negative discussions about DFK. Strippers were dissing those seen DFKing in the dance booths, and going even further about those who do it in the main room.
I also saw where they got a review narrative from somewhere of an encounter which ended in FS-ITC. They were pissed that price was not higher.
All I can say is that this always go on. They only way to survive is to do what is always done. Look at how they divide into good girls and bad girls, and then find ways to play the two groups off against each other.
I've not had much interest in SW, and I don't think I would find much affinity there or be very interested in reading it.
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one of the funniest comments I have seen on here
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The only section I enjoyed reading was dollar den but after their retarded leftist mods banned Melonie, there is nothing interesting there anymore.:/
I read the other day if you want to make important decisions, it's important to have some interaction with someone who thinks different than you and doesn't always agree with you. You may not like what they are saying and you may not like hearing the message but they may be the most important person you heard because they represent a different view point of another part of society you usually don't interact with.