Definition of PL

36 comments

• jackslash

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  11 years ago

  Are you the one speaking to the stripper or is the stripper speaking to you? I think it's hard for either the PL or the dancer to have a long relationship without developing some feelings. Only a robot could remain unemotional.
• Tiredtraveler

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  11 years ago

  We are all PL's in one way or another and that goes for the civilians too.
• rickdugan

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  11 years ago

  No, it just makes you human. It is natural to develop attachments to people with whom were are intimate, even if that intimacy was paid for and even simulated in some way. This is obviously particularly relevant for customers. I think that dancers are somewhat inoculated to this simply because of mindset (they are working and provide a similar experience to others), the age differences between themselves and most customers, the fact that they have SOs, young kids or both that they go home to, and other issues that occupy their thoughts (substance abuse, emotional issues, etc.). But for strip club hounds in particular, who go to clubs seeking interaction rather than $$$ payments and who don't have a lot of these other things in their lives, the experience can naturally have a real effect. The funny thing here is that you guys who are doing the right thing, which includes only messing around with strippers when you are not in committed relationships, are probably more exposed to this than us dogs who have every reason not to fuck around, but do anyway. It is the opposite of how the universe should work, but there it is. I have had a few girls who have definitely affected me over the years, including one who I even wrote an article about on here. But what always kept me grounded is the fact that I have a wife and children to go home to and cannot afford to get caught up in outside drama. If my circumstances were different, I might be singing the same tune right now. motorhead, in my humble opinion, the important thing is that you enjoy each ride and don't let things get out of hand. Outside of that, don't kick yourself for the natural feelings that come about, regardless of the underlying nature of the relationship, when you've shared a lot of time with a young, beautiful and engaging woman and then she is gone.
• carolynne

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  11 years ago

  hey, it works both ways. i'll start to develop feelings for a guy, i'll be thinking he's really sweet on me, and then i'll see him stagger out of the vip with some bitch i can't stand with a goofy grin on his face... and walk right by me.
• cnyknight

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  11 years ago

  carolynne, thats really interesting to me. would you say most dancers are like that?
• tumblingdice

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  11 years ago

  Comes with the territory Carolynne.
• Alucard

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  11 years ago

  You people can call yourselves PL's ALL you want. I WILL NOT label myself as one.
• tumblingdice

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  11 years ago

  Alucard! Did you see your profile pic? Your the poster child.
• duomaxwell

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  11 years ago

  It definitely works both ways, I have a regular "customer" (or whatever you want to call him) that I'm kind of emotionally attached to. Sometimes if I haven't seen him in awhile I get really bummed out and if he shows up unannounced at the club it instantly makes me night better. So, in this case, I'm the PL!
• pabloantonio

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  11 years ago

  My favs care about me and I care about them. After all, they are women too. I'm a PL, but hey its like going to rehab, once you admit your addiction you can start to feel better about yourself.
• sclvr5005

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  11 years ago

  Unless a dancer can prove that she'll have only me as a customer ( yeah right) then there's no reason for me to not see other dancers as well.
• sharkhunter

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  11 years ago

  I see no point in calling everyone a PL. I occasionally see dancers develop strong feelings for someone who never intended things to heat up like that. I think it's part of being human.
• tumblingdice

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  11 years ago

  Oh please ! Will someone slap the shit out of these bitches. Anything I could garner off this site I already learned in grade school.
• looneylarry

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  11 years ago

  Carolynne. . .sorry, I was distracted by your photo. Anyway, as customers we don't really understand that reaction you were talking about. We see the dancers as interchangeable, although sometimes lovely, parts of the whole. If you are busy and we are horny, which when you think about it, the chances would be pretty high, then we will shift our attentions to the next hot little thing that walks up and purrs in our ear. We don't know that you have been feuding with her for the last two weeks. When we do see the tension bubble to the surface, we automatically assume that it is two women trying trying to protect their revenue stream, nothing more. because we have seen so much of that over the years we are pretty skeptical that there could actually be underlying feelings. And it is even harder to think that it is anything more than those dreaded friend-zone feelings. Duo, I keep looking at your profile pic and it is one of those shots that says about 50 different things. So I was distracted, too. I'll bet you have some stories to tell. We can conceive that we brighten the day of the dancer when we show up, but it says less about our charm and playa capabilities than it dies about the typical bleakness of the club while we are not there.
• tumblingdice

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  11 years ago

  Look out Carolynne! Larry is a stalker.
• Estafador

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  11 years ago

  I guess I'm a robot lol
• Estafador

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  11 years ago

  If a stripper is genuinely fascinated with me, she better damn well let me know (and prove it without using sexual methods) because as far as I can tell, she is on my lap because I have money there. And when I walk in the club, I generally expect these hot babes to be all about the money and not about the romance (wish I was as cool as ranukam right about now)
• motorhead

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  11 years ago

  If some of you are offended by being called a PL, then duly noted. Personally, I don't find it offensive. I'm a middle-guy that seeks out the company of women half my age. I pay for sexual gratification. They kiss me and tell me they love me. I know it's a lie, but the brain just loves sending out electrical and chemical signals just to fuck with me. Just for fun I guess. I'm not "The Most Interesting Man in the World". Nor I am I Hugh Hefner, Bill Clinton, or Jack Nicholson. They can get away with it. I can't. I have no problem admitting I'm a pathetic loser. I am what am.
• Clackport

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  11 years ago

  Thanks for the shout out Esta lol.
• Michellemarie

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  11 years ago

  I honestly care about many of my customers and consider many of them to be friends. I don't care if they only see me as a piece of meat, I can't help but care about someone if I get to know them and share (some sort) of physical intimacy with them. I used to feel bad about it, especially when they would "dump" me for another dancer, but I've decided that I love my flaw. I'm glad that people still matter to me and that I haven't started to see men as groping apes with wallets. I hope I never loose that, even if it's a little painful sometimes.
• pabloantonio

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  11 years ago

  @ Looneylarry: Carolynne uses stock photos of tits for her avatar. Those aren't her tits. You are slobbering all over yourself for nothing. [view link]
• rickdugan

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  11 years ago

  @motorhead: No worries. There is nothing pathetic about a middle aged guy getting p4p pussy from a young woman. Nor, for that matter, is there anything pathetic about developing affections for a girl who you see and interact with regularly. The only thing that would qualify as pathetic is if you lost control and did something stupid, such as excessive spending on her, stalking her, etc. @carolynne: I have no doubt that you develop genuine fondness for some of your better customers, but it isn't really the same thing. It is a job for you, but for them it is a bit more personal. Unless you are a 50-something year old whose primary source of interaction with the opposite sex is obtained on a p4p basis, you would probably have a hard time understanding the mindset. Some of the comments in here are coming from the peanut gallery anyway, which includes young guys with thin pockets and sporadic strip club visits.
• mjx01

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  11 years ago

  "I think it's hard for ... to have a long relationship without developing some feelings" @Jack: I used to feel that way. Then I realized most of my family were selfish bastards who didn't give a flying fuck about people them claim to care about and back stab family member over really petty things. There are soul-less people out there and, at least in my life, the number keeps growing.
• gatorfan

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  11 years ago

  PL is the modern day geek dweeb or dork
• Player11

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  11 years ago

  As a strip club VIP / experienced player I am mainly looking for mistress material vs buying dances. Strippers are providers and while the type of service can vary it's all about value they can provide for my hobby enjoyment. I have done a number of strippers itc and had several as mistresses over the years. IMO it is not the customer who is a PL necessarily but the guy who is manipulated by ss and drama.
• gawker

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  11 years ago

  I've overspent and gotten too heavily involved with ny ATF but she keeps me grounded. My wife has Alzheimers and my ATF always asks about her, as well as questioning me to make sure she's cared for properly. More than once she's said that she wished I was 30 years younger. We talk about lots of things and frequently go to dinner. She tells me how hard it is to fuck a guy old enough to be her grandfather but other times shell have multiple orgasms when we're together. I don't have visions of riding off into the sunset with her. The few times we've traveled she could give an aspirin a headache. But we care about each other and when it ends I'll miss her body; I'll miss her company; yes, I'll miss her drama, and mostly ill miss her. Friends are hard to find.
• farmerart

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  11 years ago

  motorhead, I wouldn't consider you a classic PL, rather just a guy being true to himself about his emotions, as rick suggests. A better case could be made for me being a true pathetic loser. I once cut a cheque for $30K to a dancer because I felt guilty for a her being blackballed because of my actions with her in the club. I had a four-month infatuation with a moronic hottie, spending 1000s of $$$ flying across the country to see her. THAT, my friend, is grade A, Prime pathetic behaviour. In my non-SC life I am a very solid guy, with some real accomplishments to be proud of. Slowly, I am bringing my real character to my SC behaviour, but slowly mind you. I am still capable of being an idiot with a dancer.
• Dougster

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  11 years ago

  I always wondered if, in some of these cases, something similar to transference and counter-transference is what is going on?
• looneylarry

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  11 years ago

  @pablo, I know. I read the previous thread, too, but appreciate your investigative journalism. I have serious doubts that Carolynne even exists. But I reserve the right to slobber over any set of tits, no matter who they belong to. I like her portfolio, and I'd probably get dances from many of the owners of those sets.
• jester214

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  11 years ago

  IMO, A true PL never even considers the possibility that they are one. That's how caught up in everything they are.
• georgmicrodong

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  11 years ago

  Definition of a PL? Me.
• rh48hr

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  11 years ago

  “You don’t get to do that. To come into somebody’s life, make them care, and then just check out" That statement sums up my last two relationships with "civilian" girls I've dated and one of the reasons I'm in this hobby right now. I'm not in this hobby because I have no other options, I'm in this hobby because its fun and there isn't as much of the emotional component. Not that it couldn't happen. Motor - I wouldn't define you as a PL, I would define you as human and what has happened to you can happen to anyone.
• ilbbaicnl

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  11 years ago

  MH, this is called "having a sense of entitlement". The real pathetic losers are the millions who, unlike you, are unable to see how irrational this feeling (that we all get) is. It's the reason we live in a PLS (pathetic loser society).
• sclvr5005

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  11 years ago

  I take pride in my PL-ness. I understand the game, and play it accordingly.
• SketchinGuy

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  11 years ago

  Thus far I haven't taken the true PL plunge but in the last few days, I've met a couple dancers who I really would like to get to know better...& not just in the biblical sense. The risk of emotional attachment increases once you start to learn what's behind her facade, because there is always the possibility that you'll find a personality you like. Duomaxwell's & Michellemarie's statements surprise me. I have rarely ever seen a dancer of whom I didn't have reason to expect the "you're just a wallet with a dick" attitude. I saw A LOT of that in Vegas. I don't blame them for it, though. Would expect the job itself to encourage that view of customers.
• carolynne

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  11 years ago

  i fuck, therefore i am... i do exist!!!