Facial attractiveness

"When women's faces seem unattractive to me, if I have a conversation with them, I find they have some kind of immediately obvious personality problem"

TOTALLY disagree! IMHO there is absolutely no connection between facial looks and personality. I think your theory is BS Sir!

I'm the opposite. If I meet a woman whose face I feel is unattractive, I immediately find myself assuming that she must have other redeeming qualities that make up for being shortchanged in the looks dept. Then when we talk I try and discover what those great qualities are.

Fatal attractiveness?

Could be the beautiful girl says things that you overlook because you are overcome with her attractiveness. The uglier one may say the very same things but you hear them differently. You give the hot one the benefit of the doubt, and you don't with the uglier one. Simple enough.

Ugly people have to work harder. People with fake parts value their body more than it's worth, work softer, and look for shortcuts with no thought toward the future. Naturally beatiful people can be a delight if raised well.

Nope. I find the correlation between good looks and personality is a positive one. (Not saying the correlation coefficient is 1 for all those morons out there (alutard?) getting ready to attack your strawman.) I think the basic mechanism is good looking women = halo effect = presumable good by most of society = treated better = have reason to be happy an reciprocate.

Once I get past a woman's tits and ass upon seeing her for the first time, then I notice her face. But a beautiful face only means a woman is physically beautiful.

Is T & A what you look at 1st pablo? I usually look in their eyes. Can be rather telling.

I recently read one very wrong. Went to a new place to grab lunch. The woman behind the bar/counter was attractive, but she sure had the "bitch" look about her. Turned out she is a lovely single mother and an enjoyable woman to have working there when I go in.

Let's face it, the first thing we truly see of a person we meet is their face.

No way, too all over the board.

The only exception I've possibly seen a solid pattern is with fat women. And I mean really obese. In my experience they are generally either very very friendly or very very bitchy, so even then it's not set in stone.

I think that looneylarry got it right.

So many studies of income levels prove that people deemed to be attractive, both women and men, have higher average incomes than people deemed to be unattractive or ordinary in appearance.

Many studies have been done with the same woman needing help from guys. When the clothing and make up is hot, she gets all the help she needs. When the make up and dress is frumpy, no help. We are just pigs, I guess. OINK OINK!

"We are just pigs, I guess. OINK OINK!"

Speak yourself, not I.

I'd have to agree with Dougster, at least about a possible explanation. Based on my own experience, I don't think the correlation is even particularly close to 1, though. Better than half maybe, but not much. That's my experience, others' may vary.

I also think looneylarry makes a good point. We overlook bad things about people all the time, and attractiveness is one of the things that obviously causes us to do that. Sometimes it's rational, such as when I overlook my SB's flakiness and weed obsession for the sake of the far more important hot bareback fucking,, and sometimes it's not, such as when abuse victims stay with their abusers.

^^^ I usually look in their eyes. Can be rather telling.

Omg, I agree with Alucard on something!!!

Alucard, your like a starbursts. Full of contrifictions. You don't claim yourself as a pig yet you pay to get your dick sucked? You belong in a book club or church. Church has all the hypocrisy you need and the book club is full of less attractive women with pleasent conversation and you must look in their eyes. Personally, I don't directly associate good looks with persona, I connect facial expressions and hygene. Like we all know, women who pput extra time in their day to look beautiful generally have a 50/50 chance of being a bitch because they hold their noses so high they're the first to get hit with rain. Of course, there's always those who do little to maintain a presentable figure that they have low self esteem or a dark outlook on life (the government is a conspiracy, america sucks, war is bad and that's why I'm a vegan). Though of course everything is interchangable, so you can't expect too much since the age old saying is true "everyone's different". Though sometimes just through facial expression and the way one carries themselves gives a general idea of their personality.

You go Esta... well said.

I can't help it. Alucards avatar cracks me up!

ive gotten away from going after the hottest girls in the club because in my experience when a dancer knows shes hot ... she feels like the money is just in the bank. i prefer now to find the girls who i still find attractive (like with a great rack) but who still knows how to treat her customers right

facial attractiveness is important to me for some strange reason

Mikeya02 what wrong with a pic of Bela?

Estafador I don't act like a PIG or an Asshole when I am in a club like many members here probably do & perhaps even you. The business transactions I have with dancers for a slice of their time and some physical interactions are equal on both sides. The dancer can accept or decline. And I can accept or decline their offers. I treat the dancers in a gentlemanly manner. It seems to me based on what I read in this forum that a great many posting members view & treat dancers like a piece of meat. You really need to grow up Estafador and be a mature individual instead of a little kid giving in meekly to peer pressure.

@Alutard: if you don't act like an asshole in the clubs that is a 180 if your behavior here. You are so deluded though you probably think you are acting like a perfect gentlemen when, in fact, you are being a complete cock-sucker.

You and the other Assholes here IMO dislike my strong opinions, my unyielding expression of the opinions and my repeated expression of the opinions. Plus I refuse to follow your vile "Herd Mentali" regarding dancers and other persons you attack and mock.

I won't kiss your ass or anyone else's here. Just keep on with your ridiculous guessing about me. Maybe in a couple of billion years you might actually make a half way correct guess. But I doubt it.

The cut off word is Mentality.

Actually what I don't like about you alutard is your strange psychological combination of being masochistic, narcissistic, and manic plus whatever developmental you havecthat triggered all of those. But I've laid out how you operate pretty plainly for the rest of the board to see and will continue to do so going forward, as long as you continue to insist on being such a fuckhead. You know it too and that is why you feebly try to lash out at me.

Actuall you're the one with the issues Dougster as any unbiased member can easily see. Enough of this.

If you are giving them a facial, does it really matter?

Oh I think the unbiased members have spoken pretty loud and clear about you alutard.

Shadowcat that was funny.

Alucard, just because you "act" gentlemanly around a stripper doesn't mean what your actions are doesn't make you any less piggish. Assuming your telling the truth about acting "gentlemanly" that's all it is to the woman, an act. They know underneath that is just a horndog who will offer money to get his wang slang. Just because you ask (or beg) nicely doesn't make it any less piggish. Paying for sex and with multiple people is piggish. And how am I being immature? Explain that to me? And if you can't then it is you who needs to reevaluate your maturity since even refussing to help on your usual dumb basises (you are old enough to figure it out) is childish....or did we forget our mannarism when we became 21?

Wise words, estie. Think you nailed it. Alutard is nearly triple your age, but you are the wiser one. As they say, not by age but by knowledge does one gain wisdom.

If they have more facial hair than me it is not attractive