Dancers who can't dance and dancers who ask or demand tips after bad dances

I would never demand a tip. Most places I dance have plain $20 dances, some $10. Many have $30-40. These are just lapdances in a area designated for lapdances. I do $30 dances usually anywhere I go here on the westcoast with the exception of a couple places. If someone is paying me $30 I really don't expect anything more than the dance money . If someone buys 3, then they'll usually give me $100. For 3 dances that's a lot of money.

I'm also going to say that I've been seeing a trend lately with the customer service industry. People are doing less and wanting more. They just expect tips to be a given. I don't give tips to people that have done nothing for me. You don't get a tip for standing around or doing nothing more than what is expected of you. Tips are supposed to be used to say thank you to those who have gone above and beyond their duties. Ive quit giving my local Starbucks baristas tips. The last few times, they just expect it don't even say thank you to me. The economy is bad and people, including dancers, are lazy as ever. But I'm supposed to give you a tip. That's BS.

Don't give out tips unless you are impressed by the dance. If the dance is truly bad, tipping only encourages the behavior. Some of my colleagues may disagree but I've seen $20 air dances,literally, and I've seen girls tipped for them. Ridiculous.

I agree with Stiletto25. I tip based on how good the service is. If the service, or dance, or stage dance, is bad, no tip. If whatever is great, I give a bigger tip.

Ya know how everyone wins a trophy for playing a game? How everyone passes school even though they cannot read? How everyone is entitled to be a winner? Yea, that attitude has graduated high school and is now in the adult sphere. Enjoy.

what do you do when a dancer that repulses you ask you to come to the stage. Like your just sitting there minding your own business. And a 200 lb 40 year old woman I wouldn't fuck to save the world wants a dollar. Then she wants your attention. Does crying work. Any suggestions.

@ Stiletto and others: I agree that tipping, in general, in the service industry is overdone. How many times do you go into a small business and see a tip jar on the counter? My first rule of thumb is that if there's a label on the jar and it's mispelled, "Tip's," I won't tip for incorrect spelling. My second rule of thumb: I won't tip where there's a tip jar--period. Often that's in a walk-up food stand/shop of some kind. I had to stand up while giving my order, stand there, while it's being prepared, and the walk the food to my seat. They expect a tip for that?

Even in some strip clubs I've been to, there's a tip jar on the front counter! You mean I'm expected to tip the cashier for taking my money to begin with? In one strip club, I once went back to the cashier after I was inside for a while to get change. He immediately gave it to me, but a (not too bright) dancer right behind me, yelled at me to give the cashier a tip! I ignored her.

This is a no brainer. Just say NO! It's not like you want any thing more from her.

Hey, Sam: I'd like to see Stiletto and the door girl at Dreamgirls (she with the monster fish bowl as a tip jar and major attitude demand for tip for doing far less than any cashier in any biz anywhere!) go toe-to-toe. Only one will leave standing!

Oh geez don't get me going about cashier, doormen,dj's, etc because we don't always get along. If a doorman walks me out to my car, carries my bags, opens my car door and helps me inside while pushing the lock button and then shutting my door, I will tip well. The locking is the key. A good doorman will automatically lock your door for you when you get in.

Ive had it out with numerous dj's because they want wayyyyy more than they deserve. So then they try to mess up your stage. I had to tell more than one dj that they can retaliate all they want. I look good under any lights, I can dance to any song, and the sooner they knock that shit off I will tip them again. Until then they get zero. If I love a dj, he gets $40 a night from me whether I do well or not. If he keeps me off stage he gets more. I worked with a dj four years ago. He was amazing. He would keep me off stage if I was busy even when the manager told him not too. Everyday when I walked into the building, he would tell me how beautiful I was. If I was having a bad day, he would tell me not to.worry, that I was amazing blah blah blah. Talk about stripper shit, how about DJ shit.. but that's what I paid him for. He was totally professional, I.wasn't.One day I got up in the booth and grabbed his crotch and told him we should get together. He looked at me, removed my hand and told me he doesn't dip his pen in the company ink. Argghh I felt like an idiot.

He quit that club six months later and I saw once after that. Ahhh the sweet smell of success. That guy was worth every penny I gave him. $9600 is what I tipped him throughout my run at that club. Ouch

CTQWERTY, Dreamgirls is now Sirens under new management. The new management has free admission campaigns going on so now it seems like they don't have to brow beat people into tipping the door girl since they are getting in for free rather than paying a $10-25 cover.

This is straying from the original thread about tipping a dancer who performs poorly, but the thread has evolved into the general subject of tipping in a strip club. Of all the strip club employees that get tipped by dancers, I have always wondered how do those people help dancers do their jobs? If they actually help dancers, then they deserve tips. Stiletto explained above how a good d.j. and door man help her, but what about others? Waitresses that help dancers get customers to buy "ladies" drinks--yes. Are there any other employees that a dancer is normally obligated to tip that actually help them do their job? Conversely, which employees expect tips, that really don't have anything to do with assisting dancers?

Club_Goer: "if there's a label on the jar and it's mispelled, "Tip's," I won't tip for incorrect spelling."

Great idea! I think I'll also not tip for bad grammar and poor English in general. (Does that mean I don't have to tip strippers any more?)

Do you guys REALLY care about the quality of the "dancing"? To be completely honest, I'm there to be teased and stimulated by some really lovely ladies. I don't give a hoot about dancing. I want the experience of the senses... sight, touch, smell, taste, hearing. When I get those, there's plenty of tip money. A "good dancer" that does nothing to stimulate my senses gets applause and a hearty "NEXT!"

I've seen this question posted on other sites, and it seems to me that the area you're in somewhat dictates how much tip is "expected". I live in FL but travel to the PA clubs in the NE area, and they're far different. In east central FL, private dances are $10 or so whereas in NEPA they're $20 for the house, and then a tip is extra and most often expected by the dancer. Maybe it's the non-nude (FL) vs. nude (PA) environment, but whatever nude club I've gone to in PA, the dancer generally expects $20 tip. At $40 a dance that can add up quickly. And when you take extra dances, each dance costs the same amt so there's some friction if the customer pays a tip for only one dance. It's a tough call, but you can either tip the the typical amt and never have another dance with her, or tip less and maybe have her bitch about you to the other dancers. As others have pointed out, people are expecting more for less. To my knowledge, tips aren't required in any state or in any industry. Patrons provide tips when the service is above or beyond their expectations, which brigns about another fly in the ointment ... individual expectations and perceptions. What the hell do I know, but this question will never have a single answer. I say let it rip and find your own level of what is satisfactory to you.

"Do you guys REALLY care about the quality of the "dancing"? "

Ah, I don't think the op was talking about the artistic merits of the "dancing", lol.

I think it's a good idea when the club sets the dance prices in such a way that it helps both dancer and customer. I know some clubs that have 3 for $55. I would assume almost everyone gives her at least sixty. That way even it's not a great dance she gets a five dollar tip and the customer doesn't look like a totally cheap douche for giving nothing. If you want to give more then you can.

Define bad dancing

On average I find it hard to find a dancer who gives quality dances. For some reason a lot of dancers I've tried employ the 'meat grinder' approach. It's like they are trying to break my equipment. (I guess they are trying to be porn stars or something.)

@steel: If you're a regular face at the club and have actually given tips for bad dances, you could've been labeled a mark. If the dancers take you for a sucker they will keep going to the well until you break them of the habit.

Suddenly I want to become a DJ! There's got to be a Carribean-based online school with a 72-hour program someplace ... Google, don't fail me now!

Sam, I've never seen a bigger tip collector anywhere. Not surprised about the name change. That place struggles I think.

CTQWERTY, that club is the busiest in the route 161 area compared to the other nearby clubs (Doll House, Escape, and Club X). It has a great location right off the highway on the border of suburbs. Also helps that is has an early dayshift (opens at 11am) while the other nearby clubs open at 2-4pm. Personally I dislike the club and prefer Club X when I am in the area.

Tell 'em to suck your cock.

Sad that when I was there I only spotted DGs. Would've like to have seen the other places.

Some years ago, I went to club in Washington DC. It had 3 small stages, each with a dancer who was rotating at 2 songs per stage through all three stages and then off to develop customers, take a break, etc. I was at stage # 3 and the dancer from #1, while tranferring to #2 went through the entire audience expecting a $ 1.00 tip because "She had finished at her stage". When I explained that because of space, my back had been toward her stage, and I saw nothing of her performance, she became visibly upset and started in on me as a cheap unappreciative etcetcetc.
So I told her that I would tip her very well when she came and performed at my stage. She went to #2 and was finishing up her stint there when I left the club (of course)