paying too much in strip club

If money is not the limiting factor for you, so long as you're walking away with the experience that you want then you haven't spent too much. Wheel and deal if you want. You might get feedback about not ruining the prices for everyone else and whatever, but that's their problem and not yours. It's also bogus. If a dancer has different prices for her regulars, they won't change just because you pay more on a one time stop. Have fun.

Negotiate first, especially if you think the dancer is trying to rip you off. If you accept the first price she tells you, you may be paying way too much. Her reaction to you trying to bring the price down will give you insight into stripper pricing. Come to Detroit, mileage is off the charts in many of our clubs.

I live in the Seattle area so, I'll wave at you as you drive by... on your way to your happy ending(s). HaHa!

Don't over pay just for the sake of overpaying. I've had mileage go down as the wallet opens further. I think the dancers can get the attitude that, "hey, he's a dumbass" and doesn't know what he's doing, I'll milk him dry and he still won't get anything.

When you get here to Detroit, Penthouse and Flight Club are our top clubs. Coliseum, Trumps, Landing Strip, and Playhouse are the next tier. Detriot can be divided into to two nights out, one on 8 Mile Rd (Penthouse) and one around the the airport (Flight Club).

If you have a little extra time while at FC, check out Bogarts just down the block. It gets mentioned here a lot not because of it's Las Vegas glitz (it has none) but because of the UHM non private VIP. It's a thing of legend.

Here is what you need to do...

First, provide me with first class transportation, room, board, and a fist full of club spending cash. Then I'll show you the ropes wherever you wish. :)

PAS: You didn't mention Henry's South. Once there, he may drop the anchor on the mobile home for 6 months...

Farmer Art: Congrats on your wealth achieved through your hard work. Know clubs in Wisconsin largely suck (though some gals at Milwaukee Silk openly solicit for OTC activity), Illinois is a nightmare save for "Arnie's Idle Hour", if you're willing to wear a bulletproof vest. Indiana has CT's Adult Superstore (which from the sounds of it could test the intestinal fortitude of the bravest among us). Detroit is your Mecca as far as the midwest is concerned (I wrote an article on it for this site awhile back.)

As a newbie, get used to hanging out a lot and do not flaunt your dough. A wise line to practice is "I just walked in and want to see one rotation of the dancers on stage. Maybe later." Sometimes gals rush the newest customers so they can get the spending money out of them first before it's gone. Also, sitting through a rotation will allow for a few conversations to take place where you'll see all of the talent, learn about the options available, etc. Otherwise, "a fool and his money will soon be parted."

Hit your bank's ATM before entering the club. Flight Club, where PAS plugged, has a 20% cash advance fee (yeah, one doesn't get rich or stay rich by doing dumb stuff like that... besides nothing in Flight Club should cost more than $400 for an hour of mischief in their very private VIP area. Add in overpriced drinks, valet, cover, etc., and Flight Club should max out at $500 per visit unless you stay all afternoon...) There are around 50 clubs in the Detroit area (probably all with UHM, though not from all dancers) and you could spend a moth there enjoying the summer weather.

One last warning: shot girls are common and you usually never get a dance along with the shot purchased. After the first 100 solicitations they can be quite the annoyance.

You can offer a fair amount of money, a large amount, or even a very large amount without her thinking you are a dumbass.

The important thing is to let her know that she will not be able to talk you into paying even more than and that she will have to do whatever you agree to upfront without further upsells.

So if you are really as rich as you say, I would say offer her a very generous amount ($400-$500 would be regarded as very generous these days) so that it definitely worth her while, but don't let her talk you into more than the original offer and make sure you both agree to what exactly it is she will do for that amount (e.g. if you want to fuck her in the ass, make sure that is agreed to upfront so she doesn't try and charge you extra for it later).

I'd suggest you just fly to Montreal, visit the clubs in the Dorion region south of there, and then work your way back by car. Oh no, that's a bad plan -- you'll only be working your way downward in terms of experiences and price per. :)

But seriously, the "mid range" of states and provinces is really not exciting, in general. The best bang-for-buck, and the greatest congregations of super-hotties (and WILLING hotties) isn't anywhere near Montana. Sure, you'll find a FEW great clubs in that stretch, but the itinerary isn't made for strip-clubbing.

FarmerArt, promise to write an article for this site after you complete the trip. Take good notes as you go along.

From what I understand of your post, your travel route is not negotiable, and you undoubtedly have other motivations besides strippers. In fact you may get bored or disillusioned before the trip is over - I hope not, but one never knows.

With adequate money at your disposal and a need to constantly move on, you should push the envelope with all the girls. In some clubs it won't get you anywhere cuz they are just too damn strict. But I predict that if you do this consistently, using cash as a lever, you will have an occasional surprise.

I definitely agree with the advice to negotiate both price AND service in clear terms before you go into the private area. You will be tested repeatedly on this.

HAVE A BLAST, MAN

Farm, with the exception of Detroit I think you are about to embark on the lowest mileage SC roadtrip one could imagine. The one other exception is indeed Arnie's in Harvey, IL, if you like 'em black and your action public.

You might want to consider hopping into a plane to places such as Houston, Miami, NYC, and certain other locales.

If you are set on your planned trip, then the only other advice I would give is to try for OTC instead of ITC. Many of the clubs in your route are ideally designed to take large sums of money from you without delivery of goods. You could end up dropping several K with only blue balls to show for it.

Read "Maximizing OTC Options When Traveling" article on this site for more. The one exception to that article I would say is that if you are on an unlimited budget then feel free to get dances as you try to negotiate OTC, but most Champagne/VIP suites in the clubs in your route will likely end up soaking you for nothing.

In Quebec, you would do well to avoid the downtown Montreal strip clubs, as you are likely to not get VHM or UHM ITC. The off-Montreal island strip clubs to the Southwest & East of the city will be more to your liking. Two that I would recommend would be Hill Top & Bar Le Gentleman...check my reviews for more info & good luck!

The escort scene is *massive* in Montreal as well, and it's all basically legal. Find out what your bank's ATM system is a part of, and use ATMs on that same system in Canada to get cash, if your bank doesn't charge huge fees for out-of-country withdrawals.