Spearmint Rhino ID Scanning

Doesn;t your ID also have your DOB?

Corporate is asking them even at clubs that don't usually do it (WPB) for regulars

Yes it does have DOB and honestly that's not really a private thing either. You can find that online with a free search, also the AT&T breach exposed pretty much everyone's DOB and SS#

I don't like it... but I've been scanned so many times especially in Las Vegas...

Almost every club in the DMV does it. Hell, even Lust in WV does it.

I think maybe some holes in the wall like Showcase and Body Shop don’t. But I’ll let others confirm/deny that.

I dislike the practice though. Opens you up to a world of potential problems. Especially because the strip club probably doesn’t have tight IT security. Hopefully paying entrance to the club wouldn’t indemnify me from suing them in the event of a data breach….

I stopped briefly in SR West Palm Beach last week guy asked me for my ID, told him no. Said I was going to go to either Monroe's or Cheetah's, they caved and I walked in, it was dead I left after one beer.

The Rhino local to me here did it for a while. I stopped going for a long time and they didn't do it the last few times I went. If they start again, I'll stop going again. I still don't like ID scanning at clubs and will avoid clubs that do it for the most part. The why has been discussed on here many times.

I actually did receive marketing in the mail from another local club that had scanned my ID. I'm pretty sure the two are completely unrelated, I think they sent a flyer to everyone in the area. Also, as you mentioned there are multiple data sources that link Names to phone numbers and emails, as well as social media. They aren't always accurate, but it would be trivial for the them to start emailing ads that say "come back to the strip club, Sparkles misses you" or something.

I'm pretty sure most of the smaller shops are scanning them because it comes with part of their bar management software package. The larger ones are more interested in the aggregated demographics data, and interested in correlating it to receipts as another way to watch out for theft in cash heavy businesses. They want to know things like "most of our customers on day shift live within 10 miles of the club, or are 53yrs old, or make $$$k/yr" or that kind of shit. They also want to know that typically ### people come in, and sales are $$$ for an average check of $. Then when Manager X or Bartender Y is working, average check is consistently lower, which suggests some sort of leakage.

They always say it's about keeping out bad/violent customers, but I'm pretty sure they catch 100x insiders stealing for every customer they reject due to their banned customer network.

^ I haven't even had to go through that rigamarole at SR the last few times I was there. The girl asked to see it, I told her she can see it but not scan it, she said that's all she needs.

A bit off topic, but is Monroes still scanning ID's? I haven't been there in a while because of they did. They were jackasses about it too, I remember one time they didn't scan me on entry and the manager came and found me at the bar and insisted I let him scan it. They let me walk out when I refused. Pretty sure that was the last time I was there.

^ I didn't go to Monroe's and haven't in a few years, I did go to Cheetah, and was kind of surprised at how many of the girls were chubby, I've mostly been going to Pompano, WPB just isn't the same, although I did have a good visit at Cheetah, last week after I left SR.

If scanning is used just to keep out troublemakers, violent people, people who drop roofies in people's drinks, people who steal other people's stuff, young people using fake IDs, etc., then I can understand its use. Some strip clubs are required by local authorities to scan IDs to make things easier for police to identify suspects if something bad or criminal goes down.

I don't like scanning though, and I'll visit places that don't scan more frequently than those that do. It just feels like an invasion of privacy.

I don't know that receiving strip club mail/direct marketing is the biggest threat. I'd think about longer term concerns (especially for middle aged and younger people). Will your visit history data suddenly make it into an employment screen? Will financial institutions start using it to decide if you can get a mortgage? If you don't think this is a risk, then consider that companies look at credit scores for people that don't have finance or money handling jobs just because they can. Companies use drug screens for people that aren't going to be operating heavy machinery or handling inventory. You have to believe that shady companies like PatronScan are already trying to figure out how to break into these markets.

Another threat is that even though the data is probably stored at the scanning company, club employees tend to have access. This opens up a whole world of blackmail possibilities.

Then just think about your name being published on some list when the data eventually gets hacked and the issues that might cause in your social and familial circles.

^this guy gets it.

The biggest "threat" is they connect it to dancer complaints and keep an eye on you or 86 you.

It can be used for banning customers, and the numerous demographics data, but it can also probably be accessed by other employees besides the club owner. Many people might not want some ghetto dancer or bouncer having access to their home address or complete real name. Especially if they know you’re a big spender, some ghetto dancer or her pimp could easily be tempted to rob your place… like Icey, some people dont even find anything wrong with robbing tricks as they put it.

The clubs don't want customers that cause problems or are criminals. The bigger corporate clubs like Rhino are gonna do this, it's just reality unfortunately.

^ The counter to that is that customers don't want trouble from fundamentally untrustworthy businesses, which I'd argue both clubs and ID scanning companies are.

You are possibility correct that it is inevitable, but as customers we should do what we can to put off the inevitable.

I will compromise a bit and say that I have sympathy for clubs that have a history of violence or assaults on dancers wanting to use this technology. However, those aren't the sort of establishments where I want to spend my time.

Nixur i dont think the ID scanning does a background check does it? They can use the info from the ID to then run a background check, but i doubt they will have the time or willingness to do that with every customer

The biggest problem with these ID scanning clubs is that they have the poorest, most desperate people in the club (the bouncers) scanning the IDs and given access to the software. They should really only give access to the owner or one of the highly paid managers.

And if a dancer is aware of the ID scanning software which they probably will be, now anytime theres an issue with a customer, the dancer can basically obtain the customers full address and identity, and either rob the guys place or threaten to contact his family friends workplace etc. it isnt hard for a dancer to pull a bouncers strings, they can offer some sexual favors or some money and the bouncer will give them access.

I would assume a club could be sued over the ID scan software if it was proven that a bouncer or dancer accessed the info for nefarious purposes. Say a guys house gets robbed or he gets into some professional trouble or family issues because a dancer used the club system to access his info.. the club is probably liable for something at that point…

Something that hasnt been mentioned in this thread is the fact these ID scanners are also used to verify the ID is real.. something that not every bouncer is capable of. The primary purpose of them is their verification purpose and demographics data like finding out the ages of customers, how customers spend money .. etc. maybe 1% or less of club customers are banned I doubt thats the main purpose. Most clubs only have a few managers and bouncers and can probably recognize banned guys

Rick, look up the companies PatronScan and GuestBan. Also look for news articles on PatronScan. We can debate whether what they are trying to do, and their ambitions, are a net positive or negative for society, but they clearly aren't just validating IDs.