America is Best When We Have Unity

....or is no one interested in unity because it is WAAAAAAY easier to just beat each other up all the time than find a common ground?

Let's start... we all like strip clubs. Can we agree that mostly naked to naked women entertaining you is a common ground for us all?

as a stripper, I know I like to entertain... and make money... so can we all agree on that one point? strip clubs are good.... we can differ on nude vs topless... extras vs stage... or whatever.. but at least as a foundation, can we all agree on that?

If this was a country filled with Americans, less the 50 million+ legal and immigrants invading us since 1990, we might agree, but no borders = no country, so there is no longer a place known as "America", just some fucked up place that used to be great. America equates to going to a full-nude extras club, with reasonably priced alcohol in 2019 and then coming back after the pandemic and discovering that it's now a juice bar with dancers in bikinis and no CR.

That is the biggest cop out answer ever... seriously.. that is just total fucking bullshit.

Ad hominem? Stop being stupid and I will stop calling you that... you are smarter than this... start acting like it...

that is just fucking stupid... Try again.

Just... seriously.. .that is just fucking stupid.

Idiot.

yes, there is a tremendous irony in my post that calls for unity... but it probably speaks to a larger point.. if all parties are not engaging in this puruit in good faith... is it possible...

Stop being so fucking stupid.... unless you actually are... which you aren't... WHAT THE FUCK... you are not that stupid.. I know that... so why do you act that way in public?????

GOD DAMMIT... America doesn't exist because of FUCKING IMMIGRANTS>..

WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT.... GOD DAMMIT...

STOP BEING STUPID... but then.. I guess you ARE the problem now aren't you....

STOP BEING STUPID STOP BEING STUPID STOP BEING STUPID STOP BEING STUPID STOP BEING STUPID STOP BEING STUPID STOP BEING STUPID STOP BEING STUPID STOP BEING STUPID

Seriously.. if you can't tell... that was just a STUPID FUCKING PREMISE which has no merit in discussion... so just shut the fuck up until you can add something THAT IS NOT FUCKING STUPID....

Ad hominem... absolutely.. you bet...

STOP BEING STUPID and I WLLL STOP CALLING YOU STUPID.

GOD DAMMIT.... ARRRRRRRGHHHHH!!!! The stupid.. it burns....

I mean.. if you honestly beleve that then what is the point... I mean, I love America... you. maybe not so much...

... or you are too stupid to breathe...

one or the other...

Triggered a lefty?

Yes.

Stupid has a way of doing that to me...

Believe it or not illegal immigrants commit crimes at a much lower rate than American citizens. They actually contribute greatly to our economy, pay taxes and work jobs that most of us would never work. Thinking that immigrants are our biggest problem is just believing a bunch of nonsense put out there by Trump etc. Billionaires price gauging on everything and fucking us all over is by far the bigger problem.

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America doesn't exist.. you heard it here first...

Maybe patriotic Americans see it a bit differently... since... you know.. my family came from Ireland, Italy and Germany.... but you know... we have been here a while...

Maybe Americans who don't buy into the dark rhetoric of the extreme far right believe we are still a pretty good place, worth salvaging...

Not so Mr Skibum though... it is all a loss.. not worth saving because it is already gone. America doesn't exist... you heard it here...

Now, how about the rest of you actual patriotic Americans who believe that this is a pretty nice place to live?

I just know after 9/11, we were united.

I’ve traveled quite a bit been to a lot of different countries and for my money this country is still the best place to live.

It has been said that a society is past its peak and on the downward slope when education has become too expensive for the masses. We are past that peak point now.

Access to social media, instant news, and how quickly people pick up on fake news and think it’s real has only intensified the deep divide in this country. Thanks to Facebook, Twitter, TikTok now everyone has a voice. Sounds great right? Unfortunately IMO it’s only made the divide worse.

We are ALL immigrants or descended from immigrants. My great, great, great, great.......grandfather came to this country from France before it was even a country (~1720). Immigrants who came to this country for a better life are the very soul of the United States.

The apartment complex where we lived for two years before we bought our house here was a veritable united nations. Thirty-three people lived in our apartment before us so they could afford the rent in Alexandria on the jobs that they could get. There were hundreds of kids, and we never got anything but total respect from any of them.

When I lived in Jacksonville, there was a man who worked as a custodian cleaning the shipyard's toilets. He had been a captain in the Iranian air force and had escaped the Ayatollah's secret police with his family. He went to night school and got a business degree - he ended up in the yard's accounting department.

The majority of the contractors who work in my area are Hispanic. They work hard, in all kinds of conditions and offer excellent work at a fair price.

So my take is that these immigrants, legal or not, are often the best of us and as often as not are the very underpinning of our society. I welcome them!

Just my 2¢.

So it seems the more moderate voices seem to think that there is something worth saving... America is worth it... while the voices from the right just want to throw up their hands and blame some brown people for ruining their white male paradise...

Talk about babies... if they can't have it all... they are taking their ball and going home.

...rather than be adults and look for common ground.. find solutions...

nope.. they want to cry about it... snowflakes... melting at the first sign of everything not being tilted to their every advantage...

hey.. I am with you Pud! not all on the extreme right are... CAN YOU HEAR ME SKIBUM?

First, 100% of illegal aliens are criminals. Not all criminals are illegal aliens, but all illegal aliens are criminals. That is indisputable fact. They continue to be criminals and commit a serious criminal offense every day they are in this country.

Second,

Looks like they finally tracked down gammanu95's hidden lair lol...news at 11

America has always had fundamentally divided views. English loyalists v Revolutionaries. Those who wanted s string federal government, a weak central government, or an American monsrchy. Slave states v free states and then confederate v union And so on through history. There was even one pacifist member of congress who voted against declaring war on Imperial Japan after they attacked Pearl Harbor.

I think what changed is, broadly, is that the oversaturation of opinion news media and niche news media allows Americans to live in bubbles and echo chambers without ever hearing an opposing opinion or conflicting facts. Compound that with two generations - millennials and Zoomers- who were never told " no" and got participation trophies. They expect things given to them based upon their desire and not upon merit or even an actual need.

That ties into the final aspect of why Americans are unable to compromise and seek reconciliation for unity- everybody wants theirs, and doesn't care how. Now, this is largely the fault of boomers and Gen X- two generations of product managers who sacrificed process and quality control for quantity and profit (i.e. " get it done, I don't care how). This isn't only freebies for legal and illegal immigrants, student loan forgiveness for the lazy and underemployed, or free loans for home purchases and business start ups. This is politics as a career, instead of a service. This is lobbyists commanding the highest salaries in the wealthiest zip code (DC). This is a willingness to falsely demonize a conservative as a white supremacist and a rape victim seeking an abortion as a murderess.

If people were willing to argue facts instead of lies and mischaracterizations during political discourse, it would be much easier to find common ground. Unfortunately, too many people attack those who disagree instead of challenging their ideas. I've been saying that on here for a long time.

No, although my Fortress-office of Solitude was intruded upon by another result of Hurricane Milton's aftermath. I am already sick of this damned storm and it's stupid name.

Put some respect on Milton's name. And don't mess with his red stapler.

Grllgonebad - seems intent on proving that the stupidest thing American ever did was enacting the 19th amendment. I am guessing one of the progressive retards here made up a profile, got some pics of the internet and voila, the dickless wonder is not a bitch in heat.

^^ Agree. That profile has "troll" written all over it.

Inflation is a huge issue for racist old white men right Skibum. That is the main demographic that is so concerned with immigrants.

Immigrants not inflation

Just guessing that most of the immigrant concerns on here are coming from white men between the ages of 55 to 80.

So, my question is, how do we start finding that unity again?

The key thing we're lacking right now is a shared set of facts. What's responsible, IMHO, for the asymmetric hyperpolarization of our politics is in the last two decades, is in short, disinformation on social media.

In most of post-WWII America, most people got their facts from reputable TV journalists and news publications. Since the dawn of the millennium our information diets have slowly been polluted by personally tailored social media feeds and algorithms that seek to amplify outrageous content because outrageous content gets more engagement.

Take the immigration sidebar you're having as en example. I doubt most participants here could agree on answers to any of these factually verifiable questions:

• How many undocumented immigrants exist currently in the US?
• What net impact does immigration have on our economy?
• Are immigrants eligible for welfare in the US?
• From which countries are we seeing the biggest surge in immigration?

Reasonable people can agree or disagree healthily over which policies should be drawn based on the facts. But you can't have a reasonable discussion with someone on the topic of immigration if you don't start with a common understanding of the facts.

What do we do about this problem is tough. I think at a minimum, we need to repeal Section 230, which shields big tech companies from liability. I think if someone posts your intimate photos without consent, if they defame you, if a defamatory post sparks stochastic terror on a school or a church, these situations should be grounds for torts against the carrier, especially if they can be shown to be negligent in some way.

I also think we need to take a 'bootstraps' approach to the problem of information diets, and demand more from ourselves and each other. We should be asking ourselves and each other: What reputable news sources do you subscribe to? What are you doing to reduce your social media intake?

And as an aside, I'm not sure which user, but I have someone in this thread blocked for sure. I see a lot of people arguing with themselves and it's hilarious.

Grl - Ihear your ignorance and stupidity loud and clear. Stop shouting you stupid asshole. Immigration is poison to America. As far as all of us being immigrants? Fuck you. We've been here over 200 years on both sides of my family. No fucking immigrants here. Native born. As far as unity? Fuck progressives, fuck immigration but no fucking fikthy skanks so that lets you out GRRL. Was that plain enough for ya ignoramus?

Social justice is what ignorants bigots call their vile, hateful set of beliefs. Progressives are the epitome of the unrepentant bigot. What progressives call rights is no different than animal farm - all animals are created equal, but some animals are more equal than others. That is the basis of progressive politics. Example: Progressives find violence against woman and rape abhorrent ....except when its disguting muslim men raping, gang raping and murdering Jewish women. Then it is social justice in action. RONJAX - hit the nail on the head except for one thing: there are no reputable news sources any longer. Read both sides and use common sense to get at something similaer to a fact. As far as meeting up? I've met people. No one dimed anyone. You can tell the Desires crew is into strip-clubbing because we've never had a meet and there are a lot of us here.

What reputable news sources exist?

You just named a bunch of them below. Just because a publication has editorial bias doesn't mean it's not reputable, and standards based.

I reject the idea that we have to reject crime stats or economic statistics. These are exactly the kind of evidence we should all embrace in informing ourselves. To me what you're saying sounds like regular old confirmation bias: you're rejecting these things because they challenge your prior opinions.

That makes me a conservative 90% of the time.

I'd argue for you or I or anyone else there's much more at work than "I read the news and here's what my opinions are." Your upbringing, social circles, geographical region, even your breeding pattern (r versus K for science nerds) all play a role in whether you view the world conservatively or liberally.

And what's more, there's a time and a place for conservative policy, and the same goes for liberal policy. I think it's foolish to think either perspective has a lockdown on the right proscriptions to every set of problems.

Politics are shaped by environment and subject to change. As Winston Churchill once said: "If you are under 30 and not a liberal, you have no heart. If you are over 30 and are a liberal, you have no brain." Still true.

Who has dick pics to trade?

Rox Jax, traitor to this country asked "how do we find unity again?" Answer: we don't. Those who think it's OK for these deadly, diseased illegal parasites to be here are the enemy. Those who screech on behalf of black criminals like Saint George, Saint Breanna and the rest are the enemy. Those who have pushed people who work and don't commit crimes to the back of the line are the enemy. Those who support sick transgender deviants are the enemy. An enemy cannot cease to be an enemy. Enemies are permanent. Unity cannot be achieved with enemies, ever.

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You know how we think the P4P chicks who tell us we gotta wear a rubber are the worst ones? But they're really the best ones for us? Apply that lesson when you vote.

I don't think that we need unity; what is needed is civility

That, simply stated, is allowing others to hold beliefs that we don't necessarily agree without feeling the need to call them morons, assholes or any other terms that devalues them as human beings.

^ 👍 yep civility is much more important, unity is greatly overrated.

Is it ironic the country had a “civil” war to maintain “unity”

Everybody is too hysterical over politics right now. The simple fact is that I am on the right, open about and feel people on the left fail to see reality and really have no idea on how to govern. I live in one of the bluest areas of the country, am a right-wing male in a left-wing woman dominated profession, and the bar association here is so liberal they make Bernie Sanders almost seem like a human being. I manage to survive just fine. We're all fine, its the future generations who will get none of the benefits whom we chated, not us. No borders, no country. No Constitution, no democracy, but most of all the worst thing America lost was respect for the law. A nation without laws is called...Yemen.

The United States cannot be united in all things. That is why the 10th amendment delegating powers and laws to the individual states is the most important.

Also, I think ideological differences are like weather patterns. Differing temperatures create rain. Too much difference plus unstable atmospheres create tornadoes. Too much homogeny creates hurricanes. However, the right amount of contrast drives growth and creativity. Growth and creativity are the engines of American greatness.

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I will play along and comment on your discussion.

Our human specie is not divided by country, race, color, gender, or religion.

Our human specie is divided into wise humans and fools.

And fools divide themselves by country, race, color, gender, or religion.

There is something inherently good in all human beings, deriving from, among other things, the attribute of social consciousness that we all possess.

And, yes, there is also something inherently bad in all humans.

Good humans do not need laws, religion, books etc etc to tell them to act responsibly…

While bad humans will find a way around the laws. religions, books etc to act irresponsibly and do evil things.

Each day is a NEW BEGINNING, new strength, new hope and new thoughts, take a deep breath and start over.

Let’s be careful out there

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The US really needs to figure out how to fight online Russian propaganda. So much of it can be traced directly to Russia trying to divide their biggest rival

@JamesSD

The problem we have no is we have malign influence operations that are domestic and doing the same thing as the Russian propagandists. And given that propaganda operations are all using AI now, it's increasingly difficult to spot organized inauthentic behavior.

What I wish everyone would understand better is that it's not the influence campaigns on "your side" that radicalize and divide people. It's the opposite. Russian or domestic propagandists will cook up fake radical left accounts in order to polarize conservative voters and vice versa. People end up going off the polarization deep end because they're convinced the "other side" is just as radical.

Russia Russia Russia is the left's all purpose excuse for failure and avoiding introspection. $150,000 worth of Facebook ads didn't tip the balance over Hollary's utterly butt-brained campaign.

@puddy: Russian interference in the 2016 election amounted to substantially more than $150k in ads. They had an army of fake social media accounts across numerous platforms, from 4Chan to Reddit to Facebook, spreading extremist left and right propaganda and an entire agency devoted to these operations. Their attack included sophisticated successful hacking operations of the DNC and subsequent dump of the documents. Read the fucking facts man, it's all in the Muller report: justice.gov

Whether you would choose to see it or not Russia had a significant effect on 2016, and they continue to this day to attempt to meddle in our elections by dividing us with propaganda.

Perhaps, instead of Russia, it's your own ideas and attempts to divide the country by race, sex, gender identity, and any other demographic characteristic that are the cause for strife, and not Russia???

No one in this thread, except you, has attempted to divide the conversation over any kind of identity politics.

And in any case, this is exactly what I'm talking about with how propaganda works. It seems like you're a sucker for it, because you believe in this terrible strawman of a leftist, and stereotype everyone who leans left accordingly. You've done it to me numerous times, attributed to me beliefs I don't hold because you've bought into propaganda and the fake leftist spam on social media.

No, it's Russia. Russia does play both sides, especially on race and gender issues. They just want the US divided

One of the biggest goals of Russian interference is to amplify the most extreme positions, making moderates not want to discuss politics and policy, and disengage from the political process

Are you saying Russia was playing both sides?

Yes, dude. 100% that is the point I was trying to make. Take a look at some examples here: medium.com

There's definitely a ton of divisive right wing content, and as you can see, tons of left wing content.

The broader point I'm trying to make is what radicalizes you isn't the content on "your side". The dystopian divisiveness of the left-wing propaganda is meant to radicalize conservatives. And the extremist right-wing content is designed to inflame liberals. People get this backwards always.

Stated another way: in 2016, you weren't the target audience for all the Clinton Cash posts. The posts that targeted you were the ones complaining about inequality or the posts made to r/occupywallstreet.

The radical left constantly whines about the fact they have no power. Half the Squad got primaried out. Nearly every Democrat is a hardcore capitalist

@RonJax2 I created a thread in the political forum for the first time. Now usually if I create a thread, I WANT it to get replies. But my so-called "political" thread was a bit different. On the less than 1% chance that a thoughtful discussion could possibly break out, then yes, I wanted it to gain traction. But if there was any chance that it would turn into what so many political threads turn into, I wanted no part of that.

So I actually had three meaningful points in that thread, but I intentionally wrote it in such a way that nobody would likely even bother to reply if they weren't interested in a meaningful discussion. And sure enough, if you click on that thread, you'll probably see tumbleweeds drift across your screen...lol

Anyway, I learned years ago that regardless of what "information" might ever be presented to me, if I wanted my internal conclusions to be accurate, I would be solely responsible for learning how to filter and sort that information. It just wasn't an option for me to be a part of a connected world and not know how to do that. I have zero influence on the rest of the world, though, and very few people even care about my existence, let alone any conclusions I might have. lol My processes and internal checks, or whatever you want to call them, can only help me prepare for whatever the world is going to become anyway... I can only wish people the best, and I hope that if they get what they want, or at least what they think they want, that they're happy with the end results. That's about all I can do. Well, that and maybe a few jokes here and there to lighten the mood... :)

The idea Russia is behind the divisiveness in this country is just absolutely ridiculous. They aren't writing opinion pieces masquerading as news at Salon, Z-network, Daily Beast, Rolling Stone, MSNBC, Cnn, Wapo, NYT, etc.

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I think a lot of the uncivil divisiveness can be attributed to the relative “anonymity” of social media. It doesn’t just exist in politics. The only other social media groups I belong to are sports related and I’m astonished by the vitriolic attacks I see among fans of the same team.

If fans who love and support the same college football team spew hateful comments and disrespect at each other, then there’s no hope we will ever respect each others political views

Yes, Russia provides hidden support to influencers in the US. So do China and Israel, although probably not at the same scale. (The US probably does it to Russia too.) Russian hackers have probed the websites of US election boards, but no case has been found where they changed votes or vote totals.

Even before Citizens United, it was generally not known what hidden agendas influencers or their sponsors might have. When an influencer or news source presents you with what they claim to be facts, take them with a grain of salt. allsides.com allsides.com

Marx thought that the failings of Capitalism would lead to overwhelming support for Socialism. When that didn't happen, Lenin advocated for a revolutionary vanguard, that would impose Socialism. The idea was, people would come to support it once they had the benefits of it (nooot). When the left goes overboard about Russian propaganda making Trump illegitimate, they get on the slippery slope leading to revolutionary vanguard approach. They want to control what people hear, rather than gain majority support by convincing people with their own influencing.

I haven’t followed this thread much and maybe someone mentioned it already but just last month we indicted two RT employees for funneling money to podcasters to promote Russian propaganda. Not sure why it’s so hard to believe that Russia is working to divide the US and undermine support of Ukraine. Why wouldn’t they?

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"all illegal aliens are criminals. That is indisputable fact. They continue to be criminals and commit a serious criminal offense every day they are in this country."

Gamma continues to own himself. Applying the exact same logic: all men who receive extras from a stripper are criminals. That is an indisputable fact. They continue to be criminals and commit a serious criminal offense every day that they get extras.

What say you, Gammanu?

I too am concerned about criminals. Especially convicted felons.

@Nina that's a good analogy.

Maybe an illegal worker works for less than the prevailing wage, so they get hired over a legal worker. But maybe businesses couldn't find enough legal workers without charging more than customers are willing to pay. So they close, leaving their legal employees and customers high and dry. Can somebody from another country be expected to know if they are doing good or harm by taking a job.

Likewise, a guy could be spending money in a strip club that he ought to be spending on his kids. Can a stripper be expected to know that's happening?

"It seems like so much energy goes into arguing and focusing on the extremes when honestly I think most of us..... like 95% of people ....probably agree on a lot more than we realize"

I think this is the logical outcome of a democratic 2-party system. If pols don't split us up, they can't get our votes, bc eod we pretty much all do agree on a lot of the same stuff.

I'll add: whoever is winding you up at the top of this thread is probably a retard and definitely someone I've already blocked bc I can't see their posts.

I suggest you do the same.

The problem with Nina's analogy is that we know we're breaking the law, and we understand things could go very bad for us if we got busted. We take the risk at our own peril.

The illegal border crossers come here and laugh at our laws, disrespect our culture, and face no consequences. To the contrary, they are rewarded for coming here.

If it were a true analogy, we'd all be given free transportation to the club, a few drinks on the house, a voucher for a BBBJ, and they'd pass out Visa gift cards on the bus ride home.

The illegal border crossers come here and laugh at our laws, disrespect our culture, and face no consequences. To the contrary, they are rewarded for coming here.

The illegal extras customers come to the clubs and laugh at our laws, disrespect our police, and face no consequences. To the contrary, they are rewarded with a blowjob for coming here.

It is LITERALLY the same thing... You can't break the equivilency because you LIKE one of the crimes vs the other you claim is ruining the country. crime is crime bro... and you are guilty as charged... so let's step back from the whole "I'm not a criminal... " for you most certainly are...

Lmao. If I'm living rent-free in 25IQ's head, then NinaVagina's empty noggin is clearly my weekend beach house.

As Grrl suggests, we all break laws that we deem unjust or inconvenient. I broke one just yesterday when I paid a delightfully endowed dancer to let me fuck her outstanding tits. So why are some so concerned about the legality of another man’s immigration status?

One possibility is that the obsession with the illegality of border crossers is little more than a weak veil for xenophobia. It’s easier to say “but but but they’re BREAKING THE LAW”, than to admit “I don’t like Mexicans”.

Imagine being faced with starvation or living under threat, and deciding to commit the enormous crime of breaking an immigration law. PERISH the thought.

The whole reason Trump came onto the political scene was his pushing the bullshit lie that Obama was not able to be president because he was secretly a Kenyan with a fake Hawiian birth certificate. It was such thinly veiled racism... because HOW COULD AN AMERICAN PRESIDENT BE BLACK? He had to be illegitimate... and that one lie led us to where we are now.

Because yeah, in 1950whatever betting on a mixed race kid from Hawaii to be the future president of the united states was... an easy one to make!

If the deep state conspiracy developers were that good, I applaud them... that was a 10,000,000,000,000 to 1 bet and they hit it EXACTLY right!

It is all just thinly veiled bullshit dipped in something deemed "patriotic" or whatever... to make it seem like something it isn't....

my brain hurts.

Time for a group hug.

Barrack Obama was a mediocrity. The eptiome of the bigoted, empty suit.

Thanks for that random.. .nonsensical... unrelated... pathetic attempt at an insult.

When are you leaving this hellhole you call America for the island where all the white men can have their sad pity party for themselves... we won't miss you... sadly, the taco trucks will be staying here... yum.

^Ty for admitting your inferiority complex. Without white men there is no Americans for you to leech off.

No no no... you said there is no America for you any more... read the FIRST comment in this thread...

go on... scoot... we don't need you any more.. America will be just fine without you old men and their addled brains forgetting what they wrote AS THE FIRST POST IN THIS THREAD...

...stupid... old... weak... man...

GRl is the typical uneducated fucktard that is fucking up this country. Useless, contributor of nothing and once she gets fat no one will even care about her vagina, her only good point at present. Old men made this country great. The young are leeches who need old men. When we are gone, the young will have the same lives as they do in Somalia. Obama made his mark tricking stupid young men and the bimbos they pay.

C-ya! Don't let the door hit you on the ass...

Grl you are exactly right about Obama and the birther conspiracy. It’s much easier to say “he’s secretly not an American” than “I don’t want a black president”. So in a choice between irrational and indefensible the former is the less worse option and a whole world of alternative facts was born.

In a way, it’s progress: when I was a kid this contingent were much more vocal about their dislike for Latinos and African Americans, now they’re too ashamed to say it outright and have to hide it behind a made up argument that smells like bs. Of course back then they weren’t using the terms “Latino” or “African American”!

^Buh-by loosah.

Oops^^. Obama was no less american than Ramadan.

Have to say, as a weak old man of questionable intelligence, it's fun getting all capped by GGB for free on the internet. This loss leader marketing strategy may work out, we may soon be paying her for whippings and peggings in person!

^she's a guy.

The stupidity and logical fallacies being posted in this thread are reaching a critical mass.

Nina assumes that everyone goes to strip clubs to pay for sex. This is false. Many of us here enjoy mileage but do not pay for extras. I could assume that every stripper plays for pay, meaning all the dancers on here (including her) are basic ho's.

Someone stated that illegal immigrants break fewer laws than legal citizens. This is factually false. 100% of illegal immigrants have broken the law.

No one in America I have met and no one on this board has stated that they are against lawful immigrants coming to this country to legally pursue the American dream. Conservatives by definition are against illegal immigrants, welfare immigrants, chain migration, and birthright citizenship which is making America poorer, dirtier, and more divided. Yes, it is true, prove me wrong.

The democrat party love and coddling for illegal immigrants is going to cost them the urban vote. Many legal and natural born citizens in the cities and welfare-supported suburban neighborhoods have realized that the democrat politicians have abandoned them to give freebies to illegal immigrants. They have literally been taking their vote for granted, and are losing their support as these groups begin to see liberal politics for what they are. It's not about men voting for a woman, Barry, it's about men voting against a party that has abandoned them and marginalized them in favor of illegal aliens, and men voting for a candidate which has delivered positive results for them in the past and voting for a government which will deport the illegal immigrants and restore the federal benefits to American citizens in these communities.

^^^ I am a liberal trolling bot from a secret lair hidden deep below Nancy Pelosi's office.

^^ sorry if you are such a sad little man that you don't think a woman can make a solid logical argument against your stupid, unamerican point of view.

It isn't that hard.. she said.. making the logical arguments, that is.. and perhaps other things as well...

Drew ill address some of your points. They arent accurate. I agree that there are a category of people usually on the right, who think immigrants have to give up their religion or their own culture, and get into beer and football and thanksgiving, in order to be american. It’s mistaken, because if giving up religion and culture wss necessary it would be in the constitution

“So why are some so concerned about the legality of another man’s immigration status?

One possibility is that the obsession with the illegality of border crossers is little more than a weak veil for xenophobia. It’s easier to say “but but but they’re BREAKING THE LAW”, than to admit “I don’t like Mexicans”.

Imagine being faced with starvation or living under threat, and deciding to commit the enormous crime of breaking an immigration law. PERISH the thought.”

In some cases its racism, some cases its blue collar workers who want protectionist economic policies. Mexicans are willing to work for cheaper, and that can hurt the business of some citizen who wants to charge more. It’s similar to how some local american born dancers want $1000 for the same extras a Cuban is willing to do for $200 or $300.

You are right, if someone is under threat or starvation, it shouldnt be a crime for them to come here. So the question is what do they do when they come here? Are you proposing they should be given free housing or food? That is where you would be wrong, it isnt the responsibility of americans to provide anyone shelter or food. Do you go to other countries and just show up and expect them to give you free stuff? If you want to move to another country is it acceptable to just show up and demand they give you stuff? Thats laughable

I was living real life and hadn't read the stupidity the dude known as grrl has been spewing. Here's a suggestion boy: look in the mirror and realize that the stupid cunt looking back at you is......You've been outed boy.

The word Racism has no meaning other than you won an argument against a progressive.

Who wants some dick pics?