Comments by Elitis (page 2)

I'm fine with some good 2-way contact. Fine with extras but rarely actively look for them. Not fine with just looking or talking. Also not fine with bartenders and servers being better looking than the dancers while also not being available for dances themselves.

The "no phones in VIP" is true. You'll leave it with one of the staff members when you go to a room.

^^ "The biggest protection strippers need is to not be discriminated against when they want to switch to a straight job." Not wanting your company that presumably has nothing to do with adult products/activities/services to be associated with someone who is or has been involved with those things (and can fairly easily be found out about) isn't such a crazy concept.

I've never actually done or even attempted to do the $40 dance so *maybe* there is a dancer who would allow touching or would be willing to at least show the goods off even if she doesn't actually take anything off. I actually forgot to mention this since I almost never sit at the stage anywhere, so thanks for bringing it up LapDanceJunkie, but there is no touching allowed on stage either (strangely enough).

@Nixur68 lol you just reminded me of one of my first strip club visits many years ago that I still remember. It was somewhere in Southern California (maybe LA) when I around 18 or 19. I was sitting around for a while looking for a dancer I liked, having rejected one or two that came by. Another approached and I turned down dances with her as well. She says to me "ok, but if you don't start spending money, I'll have the bouncers kick you out". I'm still a bit picky on who I get dances with to this day, but looking back it would have been pretty simple to toss a few singles during some stage sets and that interaction probably would have never happened. But to your point, definitely true some clubs don't want you just hanging out.

I'm basically never interested in idle chit chat or stage sets. I'm not there to socialize or look without touching. I'm happy as long as I get a good grind (or at least decent effort) and the dancer at least pretends there isn't somewhere else she'd rather be.

@PuddyTat to be fair the name recognition she (Mia K) got from her time in porn more than made up for her lack of negotiation skills. She didn't even get screwed over, she got *standard* rates and presumably terms. I think one of the big sites also refuted her claims of only getting $12,000 total in a blog post some time ago.

Half-reluctantly got a dancer's number about a week ago and Googling it was the first thing I did. Supposedly registered through AT&T so, at the very least, it's a real number/phone. I'm also in the "can't believe most of them would have two phones" camp. Using Google Voice or another fake number app? Sure. I believe that. Having two actual phones almost seems like it would be too much work for some of them. I guess for the ones doing extras ITC/OTC, it would make more sense.

So, her "soulmate" just so happened to be: 1. Close enough in age to her 2. Wealthy and/or willing to spend serious money on her frequently 3. Willing to look past her being in a relationship already 4. Willing to marry her quickly 5. Willing to impregnate her quickly 6. Willing to retire her What exactly is *he* getting out of any of this? She sounds like a leech

shadowcat in a weird way that almost humanizes them to me

"They then give you a post it note to hand to the dancer with how many songs and the dancers name." I've been to some shitty run-down places before, but that is wild. A post it note 🤣

WiseToo, I couldn't tell you what the wristband is actually for. They cut it off when you leave. Maybe just signifying you paid? I think it was around $12 for a Crown Apple & Sprite mixed drink before tip.

^ It's a man-hating girl

Gigi is pretty chill. No extras but Divine if she still works there is a fun time.

Never *just* to get into the room but yes, I've spent ridiculous amounts several times. Upwards of $400 at Club 390 in Chicago (several times alone), couple times at Lust in West Virginia for shower shows and bathtub "dates", and I think roughly $800 or so total my very first time at Tootsies in Miami. Part of it is drinking, Club 390 is really only ever with a favorite of mine (no extras but no stripper bs with her and she has no problems actually dancing right up until the end of our time to the point where she starts sweating heavily. She also never asks for a tip), and Tootsies wasn't planned.

I think your issue was just one of timing. Early Tuesday evening nearing Christmas I can't imagine would be good. Though, I've never been here on a weekday or before 8/9PM so I could certainly be wrong there.

^ re: "I think that explains the reaction you're getting in the stripper posts. They are not specifically endorsing the unclear level of scamming you were targeted with. I think the typical thing is, it's the PL who brings up dating or OTC." They may or may not be specifically endorsing my situation. Unless they actually add to the discussion or ask for clarification, that remains unclear. But, all in all, fair point. In their shoes, I suppose it's easy to assume I'm just another customer trying to screw someone over. On the other hand, it would be just as simple to ask and find out: I did not bring the OTC topic up with this dancer at all. She did. Trying to get your money back because a dance wasn't as high mileage as you wanted it to be is one thing. Trying to get your money back because a service you, rightly or wrongly, smartly or foolishly, paid for ahead of time was never provided is another thing. Obviously, I have my stance on both my specific situation and the larger topic at hand, and I expect dancers to side with dancers in general. This is fine. I only ask that they add to the discussion.

^ yes, I paid ahead of time for a service I didn't and was never going to receive. So, new question to add to the discussion. For all the dancers who think I'm in the wrong (I disagree, of course, but you're allowed to have your opinion), have you ever alluded to or outright told customers extras were available if they paid you beforehand and then not gone through with it? If so, why? Do you think that was a fair hustle? Did you give them their money back? Whether you think I'm in the right or wrong, just add to the discussion please.

^ ugh, actually good point, I didn't think about that. Apologies. I'm unsure if there's a way to use a name other than your real one on cashapp, so I have no way of knowing whether that is or isn't her's. Though, in latin culture it's common to have two "first" names so that could be the case or a middle name.

@ww well, I had a *absolute* cut-off point, which was when I did stop. @ilbbaicnl I see the point you're making, and its a fair one. Not at all what happened, just to be clear though. Also, to address the other point, I didn't name them because I didn't remember their names. Rarely do I keep a dancer's name in mind. Ayla Veronica is, presumably, her real name and cashapp. No idea what her stage name was. @Dolfan I went Friday, and yes they close at 7AM. I got there around 1AM if I remember correctly. So, yes, I stayed a very long time. @Call.Me.Ishamel fair, but I'm also not trying to complain or generate sympathy. Of course, I'm not *happy* I lost out on some money for nothing, but as I mentioned previously, I thought the wider topic could make for an interesting discussion. @erg I have to admit this made me laugh a bit.

Well, the breakdown occurred after I returned from the bathroom. They simply disappeared after that. I stayed around for another hour or so to see if they would pop up, as well as looked for them, but nope. This was right up until closing as well so if they had intended to come back to my hotel with me, it would have been the right time imo for an "afterparty". And of course, everyone will have differing opinions on the matter. It's those differing opinions that I think make for a good discussion.

@Dolfan fair point. At the end of the day, no, it doesn't *really* matter what we call it. I thought it might make for an interesting discussion. What's a hustle? What's an outright scam? Etc etc. I added that blurb from my review and the comment more as an example but intended for the thread to be more general and not specifically about my encounter. I didn't go too in depth in that review as I thought it was already getting pretty long. But to address it a bit further she was not just discussing "after-work plans". She specifically mentioned getting a cab/uber together for us to have an "afterparty" and asked how many friends she should bring with us. Throughout the night, she would bring up this "afterparty" repeatedly and ask to be sent more (increasing each time) money to "pay off the bouncers" or anything else "so we could go". Confirming whatever amount was sent each time but playing dumb/not addressing me bringing up the previous amount already sent. As far as the "blocking me from the bathrom" bit goes, we were in line waiting on an available room for more dances at the time, where they were probably going to ask me to send more money. I'm happy to answer any lingering questions around that situation but again, I wanted the discussion to be more around "what do we consider a scam and what do we consider an honest hustle" more so than my specific situation. The money's more than likely gone and I'm OK with that. Life goes on.

Guys I'm not debating whether or not it was smart to send money before any "services". I knew from the start it wasn't likely to end well and I'd probably just be out the money. Thankfully, I make enough that it isn't a *huge* deal. Lesson learned. (And update for anyone curious: no, I haven't gotten that money back. Oh well). The discussion is whether or not we all consider this interaction to be a (fair) hustle as the commentor seemed to think. I think trying to upsell you on VIP or more dances are fair hustles. Suggesting extras ITC or OTC with no intention of following through is just a simple scam/rob.

Agreed with @RonJax2 on the "why not" question. It doesn't happen often but having to explain why I don't want dances with certain dancers tends to annoy me. If I've decided I'm not interested in a dancer, there usually isn't anything she can say that will persuade me so having to explain myself is a waste of both of our time.

@honeysoaked Congratulations on outing yourself as a scammer. Hinting at being willing to participate in certain activities outside the club if you compensate her for her time, and then not following through with it, is the definition of a rob. There is no "hustle" there.