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10 years ago
Many of the club owners or managers won't disclose the whereabouts of the entertainers once they've left the club. Frankly, they probably don't care, because in many cases it means loss of profit because she left, and they certainly don't want you taking your hard-earned money to another club, just so you can visit one of their ex-employees. My suggestion would be to talk to a few of the girls who have been regular entertainers at the club for an extended period of time. If the girl you're searching for has put in a considerable amount of time at that club, she has likely befriended at least a few of the "regular girls". And if that's the case, it will likely be disclosed in the course of a simple conversation. I hope this helps you...
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10 years ago
If I'm wearing a skirt that's really that short, it's because I'm feeling good. If I don't wear panties under that same skirt, then whoever catches a peek is feeling good too!
No panties... 😉
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10 years ago
JACKSLASH - it's not so much the Federal Reserve that we would need to concern ourselves with as the Internal Revinue Service. Great comment though. Love the quick whit!
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10 years ago
Off topic (but in response to a question directed to me)
ALABEGONZ - Yes, I'm the real deal. My apologies if I'm slightly better spoken or more well-written than you might stereotype an entertainer to be. As noted in my first post on this site, I am a degreed management professional who also works evenings as an entertainer. The picture on my profile IS actually me (taken two weeks ago) and I only joined the site to add what I thought would be a interesting and possibly well-received perspective from somebody who is currently working in the industry. The items that I have posted were not done so to offend you or anyone else, but instead serve as opinion from of the point of view of another exotic entertainer.
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10 years ago
The problem doesn't just stem from laziness on an entertainer's part. It can start from the top. Management can easily affect every aspect of how the club operates. So if the person in charge of the floor and the girls doesn't see the value in motivating his staff and putting forth the expectation that the entertainers are there to entertain, interact, and promote the service provided by the club, the problem begins to escalate. If the entertainers are held to the standard of actually doing their job and entertaining the clients, the manager would never have to worry about customers asking why it was so slow. Business would flourish, then the girls wouldn't need to avoid dance specials or feel the need to complain about paying out what they feel are exorbitant house fees.
In my club I see the same issue with a select group of girls. But keep in mind, these are the same girls who complain at the end of their shift that they didn't make a dime, and they really need to go to another club. Strangely enough, I keep moving all night long, and rarely comes the time that I feel the need to complain. If there is a night that I feel I came up short, I can usually look back and place the blame right onto myself. We are in a service industry. It requires that we actually work, and not sit on our butts, at the end of the bar drinking. I don't know very many of my regular clients, out-of-town customers, or people just passing through that come to my club to watch the bright, pretty lights, the smoke machine, and a group of antisocial, half drunk females, sitting 100 feet away at the corner of the bar.
I'm at the club to provide a service. And that service is entertainment and experience. But maybe that's the difference… I'm a self-motivated individual, who takes pride in her work, and continues to build up regular clients, based not just on my body and my ability to do tricks on a brass pole, but because of my personality, dedication to my craft, and my ability to provide that experience that my customers expect. A little work ethic doesnt hurt either...
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10 years ago
I appreciate the words of support from all of the guys who do not condone this practice. I think that it's safe to say that every club has a customer with similar habits. I have a few regular clients who don't always want to purchse a lap dance, and instead would rather just sit back and watch the girls from a distance. And although the initial reaction may be to get up and "keep it movin", I have to remind myself the very reason why these gentlemen are regular customers for me. I don't walk the floor like a money-fleecing robot expecting every guy or girl to stuff a stack of money into my garter each time that I begin a conversation. Sometimes it's just nice to sit down at a table with a customer or a group and have a conversation. Most girls don't realize that part of the value of the entertainment provided by our industry is that of friendly companionship and the art of conversation. Because I can approach that same customer who rejected a lap dance, and take a few minutes of my time to talk and share his experience in the show, he almost assuredly will tip me for that time. So I can understand someone not always needing a lap dance when approached by an entertainer.
But when it comes to the guys who just come in for the "free show", they shouldn't be surprised by the negative attitudes portrayed towards them by these hard-working girls. Because THESE are the people who have the real hustle in the club. ROCKSTAR666 nailed it - many of these girls rely on the income generated solely by their tips to pay bills, support their children, and even pay for their educations. And none of us signed up to be gawked at by unappreciative guys who feel that it's their right to produce 1/2 off cover charge coupons at the door every night & nurse a Miller Light that they paid $2 for during happy hour, only to leave, walk down the street, and fail to tip the poor waitress at the Waffle House too.
If you can't show the girls some appreciation by even occasionally tipping, might I suggest actually getting a job that will actually support more than your mammoth $7 nightly SC budget?
Thanks again guys!
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10 years ago
As a girl who works as an exotic entertainer in the industry, I must concur that this kind of unfortunate situation does happen. Many of the young girls and newbies become engrossed in a lifestyle that has destroyed the lives and careers of so many other beauties. Unless someone takes the time to educate these young ladies of the pitfalls that do exist in the industry, they will be continue to be prone to experiment with different substances in search of what they believe to be the partylife. Unbeknownst to them, this cycle hits fast, hard, and in a very destructive manner. (Let's face facts, customers want to see a 9 or 10, not a 2). And then these once gorgeous girls who procured flocks of clients, fall from grace quicker than their rise to in-house stardom.
I am personally very protective and offer guidance to the girls that I am close with at my club. Because many have clients who are very close to them, I've taken the time to explain that although what we do can be extremely fun and rewarding in many senses, first and foremost it is a business. As we have these clients with whom we have a mutual reliance with, part of our business includes caring for ourselves, maintaining ourselves, and treating our bodies like the temples our customers expect. By damaging our minds and bodies, we damage our business, our relationships with said clients, and our reputations.
UJAY - The choice is yours. But be advised, if you've taken the time to counsel her and express genuine concern, and now she is avoiding you unless you have money or gifts in hand, then the writing is on the wall. I'm sure that she was an extremely sweet girl, who showed the attention that you desired when you first became close. But if you fear the rumors are true, and her actions towards you are no longer consistent with those from the start, I would consider getting to know your nursing student. You would be doing Rian no favors by giving her money or high-priced gifts, if there is an addiction issue. As much as the entertainers deserve respect, you as a client do too...
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10 years ago
alabegonz - What would any good woman have to hide from her man, whether it be personally or in her career, if what she is doing as an entertainer is purely above board? If the male partner has placed his trust in this young lady, and it is understood that the way she described her job is exactly what it is, then there is no reason that her man shouldn't feel that he can't walk through the doors of that club. Just like any other relationship, this one should be based on not just love, but mutual honesty and trust.
I have left my man and open invitation to see me at the club anytime he pleases. He has stated to me on numerous occasions that he is not only happy that I have chosen to work in a job in which I find so much enjoyment, but that he respects me for my confidence and my ability to entertain each one of my clients, making their visits well worth their hard-earned money. On several occasions, he has even pulled me aside for a moment on the floor, after finishing a dance for a customer, and complemented me on doing such a great job.
So basically the question is "How are these two questions related to whether or not a relationship with an entertainer can work?" How the partner of any entertainer, dancer, or stripper answers those questions, will determine whether or not they have potential issues of dishonesty or manipulation within their relationship. And as we all know, with issues like that, any relationship would be doomed, regardless of her chosen profession.
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10 years ago
I am a professional entertainer in the Columbus, Ohio area. When asking a question about whether or not a serious, committed relationship can prosper if the female partner is actively involved in this industry, one must consider a few factors -
1) If given the choice, would your girl choose you over her job as an entertainer? (And the TRUE answer to the question is the most telling).
2) Outside of dancing, does she have other skill sets contributing to her worth in a professional setting?
3) What are her reasons for being involved as a professional adult entertainer?
4) Were there pre-existing trust issues either prior to her beginning her work as an entertainer OR have trust issues developed since she became an entertainer? And if so, why?
5) Has she invited you to see her perform at the club? Has she refused to allow you to see her at the club? Or do you refuse to see her perform at the club?
6) Are you genuinely proud of your girl and does she feel the same way about you.
Let's face it guys, being an entertainer in a gentlemen's club, a dancer in a bikini bar, or a "stripper" in topless show bar are all just jobs. And those jobs come with a title and a stigma. Although society deems these jobs as demeaning to women and the social norms controlled by politics and organized religion would tend to make many believe that the path that these girls have chosen is both unacceptable and inappropriate, the people in this business generally CHOOSE to be there (both entertainers and clients). And when a female conducts this career path like one would operate a business, the work can not only be profitable, but extremely rewarding both in terms of empowerment and self-esteem.
I'm a college-educated female who has been in a committed relationship for over a year already. My man understands what I do, and exactly what happens at my club. He has visited me there several times, and says that because he's a confident man, not just personally but in our relationship, he not only accepts what I do, but commends me for taking this time in my life to share with others my beauty and take a very real interest in each client, and also my ability to entertain each customer at the highest standard. I do not break the law, bend the rules, or allow for any inappropriate activity. I take pride in myself as a beautiful woman and do not put myself in situations where my personal well-being or that of my relationship to the man that I love may be compromised.
Dating an entertainer in the industry is definitely not for the faint of heart. As much as it may take a certain air of confidence for a female to get on that stage, it takes a man involved with her to have the same amount of confidence in both himself and her, as well as a clear understanding of their relationship.
Although the media has continued to convince society that the bulk of the industry is riddled with drug-addicted, alcoholic, uneducated, abused, and inept ladies, I can say that my time as a performer hasn't necessarily exposed me to those types of people. I work with beautiful and talented ladies from all walks of life. I will not deny that they exist, but can also say that of the females that I've seen who are involved in unscrupulous or illicit activity, almost all had those tendencies or experiences prior to stepping through the club's doors.
So as a man who loves your woman, you should take a real interest in her choice of working in this field, to help to ensure her safety and security, and provide yourself a bit of piece of mind. Sit down and DO SOME RESEARCH with her. Decide what you feel is accurate and what information is being provided based on dated or obsolete facts and inaccurate opinions. And TALK. If the two of you are honest with one another, have a genuine devotion towards your relationship, and understand the meaning of being a partner in a mature and loving relationship, her choosing to be an entertainer should be no more detrimental to your relationship than your choice to be a police officer, a garbage man, an office executive, or even a stay at home father. The bottom line - It's about truly knowing one another.