Comments by AbbieNormal (page 5)

Quite a lot of rationalization and pure crap here. As FONDL hinted, the question is silly. Married men should not be having paid sex, or to generalize further, any sex, other than with their spouse. Period. End of story. It is wrong, immoral, a violation of vows and promises to your god and spouse. The idea that you can mitigate that in any way is idiotic. You might rationalize away a lap-dance, or groping some tit, or an after shift drink with an ATF, but come on, don't be stupid or insult my (or others) intelligence. Oh, but to answer the question, yes, absolutely you should inform your spouse if you marriage becomes a fraud, and you should accept the wrath (both legal and personal) that follow as your due.

YAWN! Does anyone have any sense of proportion? OK, so maybe Wondergrl has a few posters who criticize her and send her nasty e-mails. She also has a few determined to protect her from any scurrilous rumor that any poster may have ever seen her breasts, and most of the board, me included, treat her like any other poster. Gee, some people flame her, others support her, most have no opinion outside the topic she posts on (those postss usually taking the form of "Hee Hee" or "LOL", but that is just my impression). That makes her pretty much like any other poster. It's an anonymous internet board for crissakes. Now having pointed out the painfully obvious facts that 1) Everything posted here is unmoderated and anonymous, 2) Self appointed moderators are annoying, 3) Jock/panty sniffing is common, 4) Getting flamed is part of the game, let me add a final thought. Grow up people. Let the flaming commence with the caveat that I feel no obligation whatsoever to either read, or respond to anything. That is the wonderful part of an anonymous unmoderated internet board.

Since we seem to be returning to the topic, if tangentially, here is what we discussed as constituting a good review in the past: http://www.tuscl.com/discussion/39054

I always saw these acts as verging on freakshow status. I have no objection to large tits, be they real or fake, but some of these performers were just plain ridiculous. As for the other debate, based on the several dozen I've sampled directly, I prefer real in general, mostly because there are so many bad fake ones out there, but that said I've had my hands on some spectacular fake ones.

Wondergrl, call people "ass clown" to your heart's content, it was an observation, not a criticism. Oddly Lopaw told me fucktard was a term of endearment, whassup with that?

You really wanted to use the phrase "ass clown" didn't you?

Zero, OK, one. Two, thats it. Do blowjobs count? Wait, fuck?, one, no, maybe 0. Now this is as a stripper, like an OTC arrangement? How about if the aforementioned sex was as a result of a social engagement? I mean she wasn't stripping ...

I remember a favorite dancer was once displaying her wares in all their gynecological detail and glory when a guy sitting by the stage remarked on her landing strip, asking why she didn't just shave it all off. Without missing a beat with her legs still spread wide she looked him in the eye and said, absolutely deadpan "Only a slut shaves it all off." The guy tried several times to think of what to say, lips moving, but no witty remark was forthcoming. I tipper her an extra $5 just for that.

Abbie Normal comes from Young Frankenstien, and was a pen name I used long ago in college.

Well Z it wasn't illegal under Federal law until 1865, and perhaps the fact that several hundred thousand Americans died to make sure the point was clear made most Americans reluctant to test the concept in court, that plus some pretty clear language in the 13th amendment, previously referenced. As for other convictions I'm, sure we could do a search of the state laws and the federal courts prior to 2007, oh and there were several dozen supreme court cases dealing with slaves from one state being free or slaves depending on their geography, culminating in Dread-Scott, all previous to the 13th amendment, but my charge stands "And by the way, to this day, there is no law on the books that says I cannot hold a slave. Amazing but true. " Amendment 13 - Slavery Abolished. Ratified 12/6/1865. 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction. 2. Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation. No, not true. You are a moron, plain and simple. You are wrong. You are not right, this is not an opinion, it is fact. Slavery is illegal in the US. You said it wasn't. That is not true. You are wrong. Is this a concept that has any traction with you? You have stated as true things that are demonstrably and factually, and laughably apparent to anyone with a high school education, not true. I just want to make sure you understand. Do you?

jablake, unless you are making some esoteric argument that only the 14th amendment, incorporating the rights of citizenship of the US into the states, you are also about to go into the idiot category. Explain, please, how "Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction." does not outlaw slavery. The phrase "except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted" is not a dodge, it is law. It is illegal for the government to kill a man, unless duly convicted, that does not legalize killing citizens.

OK Z, you are a fuckin' moron. "And by the way, to this day, there is no law on the books that says I cannot hold a slave. Amazing but true. " Amendment 13 - Slavery Abolished. Ratified 12/6/1865. 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction. 2. Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation. You are a moron, plain and simple. The abolition of slavery is part of the charter of the government of The United States of America. It is illegal, in all of the United States to hold a slave. It is in fact the supreme law of the land. It is absolutely beyond any question absolutely and unequivocally true. You are either a supreme idiot, or intentionally lying. If you are lying the very thought that nobody would catch you in that amazingly idiotic and transparent lie places you firmly in the previous category of supreme idiot.

That is rather surprising, maybe I've misjudged Z. Patents and intellectual property are a key part of a well functioning consensual entrepreneurial capitalist society. The recognition that a man owns the fruits of the labors of his mind as well as his back is a foundation of western capitalism. Cheers to you Z.

Uhm, there is that little letter thingy by his name...Ever think of clicking on it? Or if you've been here a while you might recall [email protected] usually is a good bet. I think you've proved you aren't a 13 year old kid, a 13 year old kid would have figured this out.

Cat, you miss the point, he's too good for Iceland, or the U.S., not the other way around. In fact by bravely criticizing America he proves his moral superiority. It's easy, just try it. Want to feel good about yourself? You don't actually need to do anything, like work in a soup kitchen like my 83 year old mother volunteers for once a week, or serve in the military like many here have done, or donate to charities, or work through your church to feed the poor of other nations, all you have to do is criticize the government for not making heaven on earth. Instant moral superiority. It's like crack. Maybe this doesn't apply in this case, maybe Z is the most active of activists and is out there 24/7 making the world a better place. It's possible, no doubt he'll claim it's the case, but I've seen too much of this crap not to recognize it. Virtue on the cheap.

You can also type directly into your browser. For instance thee main page is: http://www.tuscl.com/discuss/0/0/ The next: http://www.tuscl.com/discuss/0/25/ or in fact any number works: http://www.tuscl.com/discuss/0/331/ From there you might be able to navigate from the bottom. I don't know since I've checked with Safari and Firefox on my Macs and Linux computers and Explorer on my windows computer and they all have the link working for old topics.

Scroll to the bottom, click on [Older 25 Topics]. If you are looking for older discussions of the "alpha male gene theory" I have a few of the links here: http://www.tuscl.com/discussion/51393 http://www.tuscl.com/discussion/50817 http://www.tuscl.com/discussion/46820

Yes, in recent threads you have begun to qualify your statements a lot more than you used to. This is a positive thing, since it puts the discussion in the proper frame. Something notably lacking in previous go-arounds.

njscfan, I agree, and here is where some of the problem comes from. America is the only nation that can accomplish some things, and we are constantly held to a standard that no other nation is because of that. Yes, we could end the ongoing genocide in Darfur, but then we would be blamed for invading another country unilaterally (like we did in the Balkans by the way). The problem is that there is no international standard. Wether we act or don't act we will be pissing off half the world no matter what. Incidentally Canada used to punch well above their weight, internationally speaking. They have retreated willingly from the international role they used to play, which is their right as a sovereign nation. Iceland! You must be kidding! Iceland was settled by Vikings, and Vikings invaded and looted and pillaged throughout Europe! And they took slaves and drove the Irish and English and original Russians off their lands! Iceland indeed. Those bloodthirsty Vikings were sacking my ancestors villages and selling them into slavery only a thousand years ago. Oh, and one other thing, don't question Zerzan's patriotism.

"Wow...you are giving the history of our country way, way too much slack IMO...wow... " I'm not sure why you think so. Saying that our history is no worse than any other nation's and a lot better than some is not a whitewash. Yes, over a 400 year period a stronger civilization displaced a weaker more primitive one. Sometimes through war and oppression, sometimes through attrition, trade, absorption, isolation, treaty, disease, and many of the other realities of human existence. This does not make us great, but it does not make us uniquely evil. It basically started with the first known civilizations in Sumeria and Egypt, and like slavery, continued as a normal part of human existence throughout the millennia. As for slavery, do you know the first time in the known history of the world that slavery, an institution common throughout the world, was abolished? Vermont, in it's 1777 constitution was the first time a representative government of free people sat down and decided Slavery should be illegal. Pennsylvania abolished slavery in 1780, Massachusetts in 1783, and most of the northern states had done likewise by the time of the constitutional convention. Saudi Arabia on the other hand abolished slavery in 1962, although many say it still exists in practice if not in law. Oddly that was the same year Australia decided Aboriginees were allowed to vote. My point being that the failures of America to live up to the more perfect union we hope to form does not make us in any way unique in the world. However, we are often at the forefront when it comes to civil rights, human rights and individual liberty. I say again, we are the most free, prosperous, tolerant, inclusive and moral nation the world has so far seen, and that does make us special.

I told you, a two handed grip is very important for control.

On the cheek. "I want your money." On the lips: "I want your money." DFK. "I want ALL your money."

Zerzan, actually the ghettoes in the mideast are subsidized by the UN, which 60 years on still maintains "refugee camps" for the Palestinians. At the same time the Palestinians were fleeing, and Iraq, Jordan, Syria, Egypt Lebanon, Libya, Yemen and Saudi Arabia were invading Israel (created by a UN mandate you may recall), at least as many, if not more Jews were fleeing those aforementioned arab lands in fear of their lives, also leaving behind their property, as the Palestinians did. Ask yourself why there are no Jewish refugees 60 years on asking for their property and lands in arab countries to be returned? Now as for your indictments against our country, slavery, driving a more primitive and weaker people off their land, yeah, so what. That's kind of the history of the world. The sins you place squarely on the shoulders of the US are the sins of mankind, not in any way unique to either western society in general or the US in particular.

njscfan, perhaps I was too broad. I didn't mean to imply that all progressives or liberals held the views I was characterizing. I was referring to a subset of those, who while they claim to be liberal and progressive, can't seem to find any fault in cultures where women are property, homosexuals don't exist, because they are killed, and where praying to the wrong god, or even the right one in the wrong way puts your life in jeopardy. Yet evil it seems is a uniquely American attribute.

Wow, that has to be one of the worst constructed sentences in history, and I apologize, sincerely and unreservedly. "The choice we face is not the perfect or the less than perfect, the choice is very clearly presented, by our enemies, if you care to read them and take them seriously, as our liberal democracy, which seeks to excuse their every outrage, or submission." I was editing, and apparently cut and pasted and saved at the wrong times. "The choice we face is not the perfect or the less than perfect, the choice is very clearly presented, by our enemies, if you care to read them and take them seriously, Islam or death. Of course we laugh it off, they can't be serious, yet Theo van Gogh is stabbed in public as a message. What is the message? Criticize us and we will kill you. Yet we seek to excuse their every outrage, and portray our every submission as "tolerance, rather than surrender."