just got back from Vegas where i won quite a few bucks. am trying to decide if i want to blow it at a strip club with lots of ld & vip or go for the sure thing and contact escort service. what's your opinion?
I have struggled with this issue from time to time. It seems like the choice is simple. A "Sure Thing" is predictable. If you want predictability rather than a little excitement, go for the escort. But one of the appealing aspects of many strip clubs is that nothing is certain. You can flirt, try your luck, bargain, etc. You seldom know how exactly it will turn out. And some skill is involved. So how confident are you of your skill? (Me, I have no confidence at all in my skill, and act accordingly and set my expectations accordingly.)
If you have a lot of cash to blow why don't you start out at a strip club that seems promising, but have "Plan B" lined up for a sure thing if the "promising thing" doesn't deliver what you want. (If not fully lined-up, at least outlined.)
By the way, the location would seem to be a very important factor. If I was going to Irvington New Jersey or East Saint Louis Missouri, I am pretty sure I could get some extras and get my rocks off whether or not I actually got laid. But in most cities, I would not be sure of what to expect. Even with prostitutes, things haven't always turned out as expected, unless good research is done in advance.
That depends on your situation. In my part of the country you can get an escort for $300-$500 per hour. It's a sure thing and if you do your research you know pretty much what to expect. A bonafide porn star is $1000-$2000 per hour and again if you do your homework you know what to expect. That kind of money in a SC can last longer than an hour but you still might drive home with blue balls. Another option would be a sweet power tool and a jar of vaseline...
What ever you do...Have Fun!
I think it all depends on what you are looking for. I do some of both but always seem to have more fun at the clubs. Some of that may se as arbeeguy say's, the challange of the unknown, although I can pretty much be sure I will get all I want at one of my regular clubs. With an escort it just seems a little more intimate and one to one than in the clubs. In the end it all depends on my mood I guess.
I've gone through SC's to get the OTC. What I like about that is that you can pick and know what you're getting. It takes longer, but I prefer the safety.
What I don't like about escorts. Cops are getting more savvy at pretending to be escorting services, or pretending to be escorts. It's a roll of the dice and my professional license requires no arrests, period. Besides, you may order from the Barely Legal Escort service and some forty something might show up. That's a buzzkill for me.
I think that his must be a question of age. When I was young and single I fucked more prostitutes that you can shake a stick at. Now I would never call an escort. looker123, I don't know how you think that sex with an escort is more intimate than with a stripper. I fell more comfortable with some one that I already know. I know about 50 dancers at my favorite club. The are the ones that come in before 10:00 P.M. I know their limits and all of the drama that goes on. 12 or so are on my favorites list. We share everything. I have about 10 buddies that visit me at the club and share details with me by PM or email. It is a good system. Last month I went in search of a favorite who had switched to a different club. I didn't see her when I arrived. I asked a waitress if she still worked there. She said I will ask the bar tender. She came back and said "Yes, she is in the dressing room. She is a tall blond with big tits." She came out and I rushed up to her. She immediately saw me. We had a glorious reunion. I told her what the waitress said. Her reply "Right, like you didn't know." We had a drink and discussed old friends (dancers and customers). Then we went to the couch room. It was empty. I enjoyed FS for $120. Before I left she gave me her cell number and suggested that we get together tomorrow. We were staying at the same hotel. I was in 302 and she was in 310. I called her around noon the next day and asked her out for lunch. "Yes"! I said I'll meet you in the parking lot in 30 minutes. 15 minutes later she was knocking on my door. I got dressed and we went to a favorite Mexican Restaurant. Lunch was wonderful. Just two old friends talking. As we were finishing our Margaritas, I pulled out a Viagra and popped it. She asked "How long do they take?" I said "30 minutes". We went back to my hotel room for an afternoon delight. She stayed with me for 2 hours. A total GFE OTC for $140. So I busted a nut 3 times in 17 hours for a total cost of $260 plus one drink plus a $20 lunch with some one that I knew and liked. FUCK ESCORTS.
I'm with shadowcat on this one. Find yerself a stripper or 2 or 10 who are "genuine" (feeling) about their connection with you, and then manage to make the pay-for-play hookup feel like a situation in which "I help you out, and you help me out, and really we both respect each other," and the experience will be MUCH better than any escort pay-for-play could ever be. Especially if you find an "uncorrupted" stripper, who doesn't do (or hasn't, yet, done) this sort of thing regularly.
My advice if you are looking to get laid is to call an escort service or look on the internet for one. I love strip clubs, VIP and beautiful women but if you want a sure thing they are not it! You can spend hundreds if not thousands on strippers who will lead you on all night thinking that they are either going to do you in VIP or go home with you. The odds are against it.
Even though Yoda and Shadowcat give exactly opposite viewpoints, they are both right. Notice the four key words in Shadowcat's post: "at my favorite club". He has developed a strong rapport with a particular establishment over a long period of time. That is very rare in this hobby, and it helps explain the resentment and disbelief that some of our members have toward Shadowcat. I do think Yoda exaggerates the downside of the strip club experience. A person has to develop some street smarts (AKA Strip Club Smarts) to avoid the disaster scenario he described. That's what I meant in my earlier post that said some skill is involved.
Also notice that Yoda (perhaps inadvertantly) changed the tenor of the question he was addressing. 10inches did not say he necessarily wanted to get laid. He wanted to have an enjoyable experience. Of course we can't read his mind, and many of us jump to the conclusion that the way to have an enjoyable experience is to get laid.
Anyway, even though it may be difficult and in some cases impossible, I think Shadowcat's approach is the optimum.
With the economy the way it is, or is perceived to be now, a lot more strippers are offering me their phone number for an OTC rendezvous. I prefer that to an anonymous escort.
arebeeguy: have you noticed the position my favorite club is in the top 40 it did not get there by accident. 7 years ago it was not even in the top 40. I along with my buddies put it there. Come on down and meet the girls and guys. You will leave a believer
Guys, just got back from Vegas. Had a great time and I have submitted reviews. I saw a stripper in her hotel room, the sex with her was fantastic, amongst the best I have ever had and I have seen over 100 escorts. You guys in the US are lucky, you have some great clubs (and girls), over here the clubs are good but the no touching rule has greater emphasis. Thanks to those that sent me mail giving me advice. Looking forward to my next Vegas trip in '09.
SC, its like this, in the club that I frequent the most ITC FS is a sure thing but its rushed, a wham-bam-thank-you-mam kind of thing. I have had great experinces in some cases to be sure but there is always the fear that you will get busted.
On the other hand if you pick your escorts properly there is a much more relaxed atmosphere. No other customers wanting a dance, etc... and no big fear that someone will open the door at any time. Now these are not the low buck street walker types but I tend to spend much less and get better service/less drama with the escorts than dances.
Londonguy: I am glad that you enjoyed Vegas but I cannot believe that the sex industry is better here than in Europe. I have personally visited Copenhagen, Frankfurt and Rome. Excellent. It appears to me that European countries are much more lenient than US counter parts. Now I have no personal knowledge of London But Amsterdam is a hell of lot closer than Vegas. It would help if you guys could speak American English I have no problem understanding my counter parts in Russia, Africa or Asia but you dudes are wild. lol. john...
looker123: How can you pick your escorts? You call the pizza joint and they deliver. yes you can order a blond or pepperoni but you never never know for sure how good it will be. I have never done a stripper ITC or OTC that I didn't know well. At least a year. I hate condoms and if I was worried about STD's I wouldn't do it. Actually they have to turn me on so bad that I can't say NO. That does not happen that often. I will see a dozen strippers next week, that I call favorites. They will all give me HJ's but I am very selective about who I will go farther with. Fuck Escorts
Well for one thing there are review boards these days, so you can find out if the escort pix are accurate or not, and how good the service is.
I suppose you can't account for how well she will "connect" with you personally, whereas with strippers you'll get lots of time to figure that out. But the importance of the (phony) "connection" thing will depend on the customer, anyway. How much they desire the fantasy/surrogate relationship thing, etc.
Shadowcat, I am not saying the sex industry is better there, I said your strip clubs are better than London, at least in Vegas and Tampa. I too have been all over Europe including Amsterdam at least six times. It's tru that we are a lot closer but it's a pain crossing the water to mainland Europe. What I find weird about Vegas is it is called 'Sin City' yet prostitution is illegal? Over here prostitution is legal but soliciting is illegal.
Um... the question was escort or SC. Why would you call an escort if you don't want to get laid? For this reason I drew a comparison between trying to get laid by a stripper and getting an escort instead. I still enjoy strip clubs very much but I don't go looking for sex. When I want to get laid I call in a professional.
"it helps explain the resentment and disbelief that some of our members have toward Shadowcat."
No, it really doesn't...we're just really, really bored with all the stories that basically end with "and I got a senior discount!". The sad part is (and actual strippers at his "favorite club" have already attested to this before) that he actually THINKS that he's getting special treatment, when he isn't. Two-for-one dances, dances for $10, cheap lunch/dinner at Taco Bell/the Waffle House, etc., etc., etc. is realy, really nothing special, but he'll never learn cuz he's an old fool...whatever..."difficult" or "impossible"?? Please...
"Why would you call an escort if you don't want to get laid?"
Exactly.
If I had had a lot of money to blow on something (it prolly wouldn't be on strippers or escorts BTW), I'd want to spend it on something that will give the most bang for the buck...multiple days/hours of fun vs. 1-2 hours with one escort. To each his own though...
10inches, if you're ;in vegas, why not do both? Having done both, there's something about the strip club hunt and potential relationship that is usually missing with escorts. Clubbing makes for a good party that ends with a nice bang (ptp). Escorts, you're in and out (ptp). But ITC is not always great, as has be noted. I tend to side with Shadowcat on this one.
Arbeeguy: it would seem that many of us do have "strong rapport" as you call it with one maybe two establishments. So Shadowcat's PP relationship isn't so much out of the ordinary, it's just that we learn so much about it because he talks about it a lot.
I have to go with Strip Clubs. I've done both, but after watching far too many episodes of COPS and various other sting operations, the risks of getting arrested just scare the shit out of me these days.
Also, I like being able to pick and choose girls at a club... something sexy about knowing you can play with any girl that tickles your ummm... fancy.
I don't know guys, Shadowcat seems to have his $#it together...I'd REALLY like to know how you guys are getting OTC at strip clubs.
Sure some of the worn-out girls will offer HJ and BJ because they need the business, but the HOT girls that I'm after, I haven't been able to get.
One of the things that REALLY bugs me is the guys who talk about the "HOTTIE" they scored, but when they post pictures of the girl, she's a dog, or WORSE, she's a Leper! lol But seriously, Message me about your methods.
Do you just keep going to the same club over and over until you're friends with the girls and they trust you? Is it possible to go to a strip club and get HJ and BJ quickly?
JMel: Yes, I've noticed guys will rate a stripper's looks much higher if they have fucked her than if they haven't.
In reality, however, I think you'll find that the better looking they are, the easier to score OTC with them (and the more realistic the prices). I'm not sure exactly why this is, but it could be because they worked hard to get that good looking for a reason. Or it could be self esteem thing. In any case, then end result is certainly more important than the psychology behind it anyway.
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If you have a lot of cash to blow why don't you start out at a strip club that seems promising, but have "Plan B" lined up for a sure thing if the "promising thing" doesn't deliver what you want. (If not fully lined-up, at least outlined.)
By the way, the location would seem to be a very important factor. If I was going to Irvington New Jersey or East Saint Louis Missouri, I am pretty sure I could get some extras and get my rocks off whether or not I actually got laid. But in most cities, I would not be sure of what to expect. Even with prostitutes, things haven't always turned out as expected, unless good research is done in advance.
What ever you do...Have Fun!
What I don't like about escorts. Cops are getting more savvy at pretending to be escorting services, or pretending to be escorts. It's a roll of the dice and my professional license requires no arrests, period. Besides, you may order from the Barely Legal Escort service and some forty something might show up. That's a buzzkill for me.
Also notice that Yoda (perhaps inadvertantly) changed the tenor of the question he was addressing. 10inches did not say he necessarily wanted to get laid. He wanted to have an enjoyable experience. Of course we can't read his mind, and many of us jump to the conclusion that the way to have an enjoyable experience is to get laid.
Anyway, even though it may be difficult and in some cases impossible, I think Shadowcat's approach is the optimum.
On the other hand if you pick your escorts properly there is a much more relaxed atmosphere. No other customers wanting a dance, etc... and no big fear that someone will open the door at any time. Now these are not the low buck street walker types but I tend to spend much less and get better service/less drama with the escorts than dances.
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I suppose you can't account for how well she will "connect" with you personally, whereas with strippers you'll get lots of time to figure that out. But the importance of the (phony) "connection" thing will depend on the customer, anyway. How much they desire the fantasy/surrogate relationship thing, etc.
No, it really doesn't...we're just really, really bored with all the stories that basically end with "and I got a senior discount!". The sad part is (and actual strippers at his "favorite club" have already attested to this before) that he actually THINKS that he's getting special treatment, when he isn't. Two-for-one dances, dances for $10, cheap lunch/dinner at Taco Bell/the Waffle House, etc., etc., etc. is realy, really nothing special, but he'll never learn cuz he's an old fool...whatever..."difficult" or "impossible"?? Please...
"Why would you call an escort if you don't want to get laid?"
Exactly.
If I had had a lot of money to blow on something (it prolly wouldn't be on strippers or escorts BTW), I'd want to spend it on something that will give the most bang for the buck...multiple days/hours of fun vs. 1-2 hours with one escort. To each his own though...
Arbeeguy: it would seem that many of us do have "strong rapport" as you call it with one maybe two establishments. So Shadowcat's PP relationship isn't so much out of the ordinary, it's just that we learn so much about it because he talks about it a lot.
Also, I like being able to pick and choose girls at a club... something sexy about knowing you can play with any girl that tickles your ummm... fancy.
Exactly...he just bathers on & on about it continuously...it's called having a very fragile ego BTW...
Sure some of the worn-out girls will offer HJ and BJ because they need the business, but the HOT girls that I'm after, I haven't been able to get.
One of the things that REALLY bugs me is the guys who talk about the "HOTTIE" they scored, but when they post pictures of the girl, she's a dog, or WORSE, she's a Leper! lol But seriously, Message me about your methods.
Do you just keep going to the same club over and over until you're friends with the girls and they trust you? Is it possible to go to a strip club and get HJ and BJ quickly?
In reality, however, I think you'll find that the better looking they are, the easier to score OTC with them (and the more realistic the prices). I'm not sure exactly why this is, but it could be because they worked hard to get that good looking for a reason. Or it could be self esteem thing. In any case, then end result is certainly more important than the psychology behind it anyway.