Five ways to long-time a Chica in the Zona: which do you prefer?

I had an interesting conversation with @justinyoo recently, about the best way to warm up to an arriba, and I thought it was interesting food for thought for a discussion here.

One of my favorite past-times in Tijuana is spending serious quality time with bar girls. Conversing, flirting, watching her dance, getting lap dances, and all with my favorite extra, lots of DFK. Of course, I enjoy a FS experience, but in TJ, what I enjoy most is a long and intimate GFE warm up that makes for a mind-blowing arriba.

Some mongers go to TJ for the efficiency, and "vamos arriba por cien dólares" / let's go upstairs for $100 is about the only conversation they want to have with a chica. I get it, and if you're in this camp, this thread will not interest you. This thread is about the cost and value tradeoffs of various options for spending quality time with a chica in the Zona, before you get to the main event.

Imagine this scenario: you've just met a bar girl who is a perfect dime in your book. She smiles warmly as she gives you a hug after introducing herself. You're smitten. You have an unspecified but fixed amount of money to spend, and you want to maximize the value of that spend on an afternoon and/or evening of fun.

There are 6 options for locking down a bar girl's time: Ficha Fucking, Privados, Azul or Senda Norte, VIP Rooms, Extended Arribas, and OTC.

Here are the details, pros, and cons of each approach, as I see them:



*** Ficha Fucking ***

If you're not familiar with the Zona, the staple of the lap dance at any Zona club is the ficha. Usually these are $11 or $12 tiny lady beers, about 5 ounces each. If you keep feeding a chica fichas, she'll generally be happy to sit with you for an extended time, and if you offer her propinas, she might dance for you, flirt and give you peaks under her undergarmets, give you the stripper handshake, sit in your lap and grind, let you feel up her assets, and maybe even have a FRMOS with you, depending on the chica and your propinas.

The ficha is an essential tool for finding the right chica to invest in. During the first ficha, I always tell chicas "Estoy buscando una chica que le guste besar mucho" / I'm looking for a girl who likes to kiss a lot. Or I might say, "dame un besito" / give me a little kiss. And based on the response, I might decide to eject, to have another ficha, or to escalate by inviting her to a VIP room.


Pros:

- If she's drinking at a reasonable pace ficha fucking is the second most cost effective way, inside the club, to spend time with a hot chica. With the right girl, you could kill several hours at the club flirting and downing cervezas, for not much more than a price of a civvie date back in the US.

- New to HK? Buy a hot chica a ficha and ask her for a tour. This is a fun and cheap way to explore, see the main stage show, grope slippery nipples at the shaving cream show, watch live music at Chavelas and maybe even learn some mexican dances, or watch the dancers twerking to reggaetón in the Miami room.


Cons:

- Though YMMV, ficha fucking will generally be one of the lowest mileage approaches for spending time with a chica. This is especially true at Hong Kong club, where a mesero hawking "dance cards" will pester you if things get too rowdy. This is less of a problem at the smaller clubs, where fichas, in the right circumstances, can get pretty wild.

- Also at HK, though it's possible to avoid them, some girls will insist on $33 wine fichas. And some chicas can mow through those fuckers fast. Generally it's best to avoid girls who insist on wine and/or chug fichas, but if you are absolutely smitten by one who does, it's more cost effective to move her on to somewhere else like VIP or arriba.



*** Privados ***

At HK, a Privado is a one song lap dance held in a tiny curtain covered cubicle. I believe these go for around $26 a song these days. BT has privado options too, which I've read are cheaper. Not all the smaller clubs have a one song Privado option.

Pros:

- The cheapest way by absolute cost to give a chica a test drive in private.

Cons:

- Expensive by the minute, compared to VIP rooms. If you're going to do several of these, it's generally much more cost effective to do a VIP room. I generally avoid Privados for this reason.



*** Azul & Senda Norte ***

Azul is the adjoining restaurant for Hong Kong Club, Senda Norte for Bar Tropical. Chicas from BT and HK both are permitted by management to join you for a meal at either spot while they're on the clock. Çhicas don't have to go to dinner with you just because you invite them, but in my experience, most chicas are down for a meal if you offer, they work long shifts and no one ever feeds them.

The food at both places is pretty decent, especially given how reasonable the prices are. A dinner and drink for you and a chica might cost $50 at either spot.

Service at Azul is generally prompter than Senda Norte although that may be a plus for Senda Norte if you want to spend time with a chica on the cheap.

Pros:

- Given that a meal might take an hour, this is arguably the cheapest way of all to spend time with a bar girl on the clock, cheaper even than ficha fucking.

- A meal with a chica is a terrific post-arriba activity. Especially if you want to spend time with her recharging for a second round with the same lady.

Cons:

- Obviously, a meal in public is generally not a high mileage proposition. However, you are still with a puta, in a brothel, and I've been pleasantly surprised with the mileage I've gotten out of some meals. (My last meal at Senda Norte, they were really slow to bring the check, but I spent the whole time seated next to my CF chica, making out with her as stick-shifted. We've since been to dinner elsewhere, she doesn't do that at a regular restaurant, jaja.)


*** VIP Rooms ***

Both big and small clubs in the Zona have private VIP rooms that you can rent by the hour. At some clubs (Chicago, BT) you can rent these rooms by the half-hour too.

At HK, the cost is $110 per hour to the house for the room, and comes with a small bucket of drinks, "for the lady", which in my experience is usually enough to share. Whatever you negotiate with the girl is separate from the house fee. Usually, I just offer the chica a $100 propina at the start of the hour, "por los bailes sexys, y muchos besos" / For sexy dances and lots of kisses. And usually I tip the mesero who brings the drinks $10, bringing the total cost to $220 for the hour.

The quality of the room varies by club. Chicago and BT's VIP rooms are pretty small and dingy with marginal privacy. D&G has a pretty nice VIP room with good privacy but it does not have views. HK has fairly nicely appointed rooms, some with a view of the main stage, the shaving cream show, and then also there's VIP rooms above Miami, which look right down on the main stage/bar.

You can definitely fuck ITC in one of these rooms, if you are so inclined, or you can stick to dances.

Pros:

- You can get ultra high mileage dances in VIP, much higher mileage than ficha fucking. I recall one recent trip where I had the chica completely naked, pinned against the wall as we kissed and I massage her tits and lady bits. Another dancer I recall had this move where she would sat in my lap RCG, and grinded her crotch on the top of my cock while reaching underneath to massage it with her hand from below. One chica had me bite her nipple, then told me she wanted me to boss her around. I could go on. I've much more experience clubbing in the US than TJ, and still about 8 of the 10 most memorable lap dances I've gotten in my life were all in TJ.

- At HK, those views above the club stage, and also above Miami room are indeed baller. I'm not a fan of "making it rain", but giving a chica a few bucks to toss from the VIP room window to the chicas on the stage below at Miami is a fun past time.

Cons:

- As with any club, YMMV and much depends on the dancer and your ability to screen them during the ficha. Once with a hot jovencita in HK, I got nothing but air dances, even after asking explicitly for a "baile de regaso" / a lap dance. But most of the dances I've gotten in VIP rooms in TJ have been high quality experiences that would have cost close to $1000 in any major metro area in the US.

- $220 with a tip brings the price pretty close to what you'd pay for an hour arriba. So for many the value proposition might not be worth it, it depends on how much you enjoy getting lap dances.



*** Extended Arriba ***

Most people are familiar with quotes for HH arribas in the Zona, $100 on the low end, $120 more typical, and sometimes asks of $160 or even $200. Every chica has the own prices, and many will negotiate. Most chicas I find are very negotiable on time.

For example, I find that a chica who wants $120 / HH might:
...agree to same $120 for 40 minutes.
...do $200 for 1 Hour.
...do $350 for 2 Hours.
...do $450 for 3 hours.

Or you might do even better "buying out" the remaining hours of her shift. Maybe she tells you she has 3 hours of a shift to go, and she might jump at your offer to spend it in your hotel room for $400.

There's a catch: bar fines. At Rizo and Cascadas, the house will typically want you to buy a $110 bucket "for the lady" for every hour over an hour. That's $110 extra for a 2 hour arriba, or $220 extra for a 3 hour arriba. There are ways to avoid or mitigate these bar fines, including having the chica visit you off her shift, and also tipping the hotel manager, but neither of these are guarantees.


Pros:

- Obviously, arriba is high mileage and as much fun as it gets ITC in TJ.

- Sudsy chica jacuzzi time is amazing fun and requires longer arribas.

- The hotels are generally 420 friendly whereas the clubs less so. I'd estimate that 67% of chicas I've met like to toke.


Cons:

- If you're in a small bar bones room, you both might get stir crazy in a long arriba. A bigger room, like the double master at Rizo or Cas is better if you're planning long term arribas.

- Trying to avoid feeding the dragon by playing bar fine games is an obnoxious hassle. To elongate a fixed budget, the highest value play might be to ficha fuck for as much time as you like and then do a 1 hour arriba, so you don't pay a bar fine at all.



*** OTC ***

In my review of HK on my very first trip to Tijuana, I naively described the arriba ITC as the "King of all lap dances." Now, having about a half dozen multi-day trips to TJ under my belt, I know this not to be true. The real king of all arribas in TJ is an OTC date with a hot chica. The seasoned pros on TUSCL who patronize the Zona all put most of their mongering efforts into finding gems for OTC rendezvous.

Not all chicas will meet clients outside the club. And those that do might be picky about who they'll see. So for OTC meetups, your mileage will definitely vary.

Prices bar girls will charge to meet outside the club can vary wildly. A good baseline here might be that escorts typically charge $350-500 for a TLN (8-10 hour) session, though a bar girl might charge a little more than an escort might.


Pros:

- You've cut out the middle man, and by the hour, a TLN OTC is the highest value of any approach to spending significant time with a chica.

- You can stay in whatever hotel you like, based on your budget and preferred level of comfort.

- You can stay out of the Zona, which mitigates the biggest safety risk in TJ: bandits with badges.

- You can do whatever activities you like. Maybe stay at the beach in Rosarito. Or maybe even one day take her traveling in Mexico, have her give you a tour of her home city.


Cons:

- It takes some time and effort to cultivate OTC relationships. Most likely, you'll need to have taken a chica arriba at least once before she'll be wanting to offer you her WhatsApp for OTC. For those who prize variety, there's always a variety at the clubs.

- She's going to be late to meet you, guaranteed. Punctuality is just not a trait common among chicas. For the impatient, there are always bar girls or street girls ready to go arriba right now.



So, that's my take on the options for long-timing a chica in the zona. As I was having this discussion with @justinyoo it occurred to me that more recently, I haven't done enough time ficha fucking these ladies, and maybe I'm often too much in a rush to get them into a VIP room. So, for my next trip to the Zona I'm resolved to buy more fichas.

I also think there's a time and place for all of these tactics, except for Privados which I think are bad value.

What do you think fellow TJ mongers? Which of these tactics do you most prefer? What are your tips for getting good value for your dollar long-timing chicas in the Zona?