Dancers Leaving The Clubs For Sugar Daddy Benefactors

In my opinion, finding someone to assist you is not that difficult, but to find that in the quality you are hoping for has gotten fewer.

I don’t believe anything a dancer says. When I hear they have sugar daddies and there leaving the only way I’ll believe they won’t be back in 6 months to a year is if there pregnant. Lots of dancers sugar OTC. I take dancers to sporting events/concerts and dinner and then yeah for example.

Everytime a dancer tells me there leaving stripping for an arrangement I take that as a proposition. And I don’t do sugar babies proper because I get bored to quick and with a real stomp down dancer sugaring is too close to paying up front.

I've seen the sugar daddy /only fans situation happening even in tj.

Willy are you having a hard time finding one?

Seeking arrangements can be like escorting. They can charge $500 an hour, plus possibly get paid for dates plus get free tickets to concerts or games, free dining at high end restaurants etc.

^No shit microdick/rickthelion that’s not what I was asking but thanks for the prolific bit of intel. And save the white supremacist private messaging for the 4chan community boards.

it appears to me that dancers are coming and going so fast for what ever reason that I just don't have favorites anymore. Each visit to a club is a new search for that diamond. At least it gets me out of the house.

I’m mlike seeking arrangements has a lot of work for providers. Lots of flakes and guys looking to get something for as little $$ as possible and the girls have to put effort to weed them out(so I’ve been told). Anyhow, the girls who continue to like working in clubs get to advertise their otc services easily and theyre vetting in person, so I assume clubs will still be in demand. Shadow said it, the turnstile of girls coming and going is much faster these days. I still get hints at otc since girls throw it out they’re available. By the way Square, Bitcoin is near an all time high, hardly a fad, and it has real use for currency exchange. What has changed is the talent level is much lower than it used to be, and I was hoping that would be a fad but I guess it too is sticking around.

Except for the bitcoin scam I read this article 20 years ago. Things get tougher as we age and yet we thing everything but us is changing.

Oh the turnover - I used to go to clubs and see the same faces for 5 years - sometimes that’s good sometimes that’s bad. Now I go to a club 5 times and there’s completely different people there each time, and not just the dancers are constantly changing.

It really depends on your perception of what’s happening, I actually am in agreement with Skibum about seeing everything around us as changing instead of being aware of our own reality that ageing changes our perception.

@SquareCastle

I will play along and comment on your discussion.

Q: Are the ranks thinning in your neck of the woods due to seeking arrangement sites? Or is this just a new fad, like bitcoin?

A: What is happening is that pretty women in general are exploring alternative revenue streams in the “Adult Entertainment Industry” because it is more “acceptable” in today’s American puritanical repressive sexual society.

OnlyFans and Bitcoin are just “new” ways to profit from people greed and need in the capitalist system.

Q: Is this the end of an era?

A: Maybe it is just the “evolution” of the adult industry

Q: Are they funneling all the good dancers out of the clubs ?

A: No necessarily, there are new girls turning 18 every day, and they are looking for their best opportunities in the “adult industry”. Many use several types of work until they find their Prince Charming.

The paid for sex “industry” is as they said the “oldest profession”

It has remained essentially the same since the time of the Greek Empire.

I would refer you to Demosthenes (384 – 12 October 322 BC)
~ Greek statesman and orator of ancient Athens.

1. We have courtesans for the sake of pleasure.
2. Concubines for the daily health of our bodies, and
3. Wives to bear us lawful offspring and be the faithful guardians of our homes

In this list is the Greek view of woman in the classic age.

In today’s world Demosthenes would say:

We have:

1. High end escorts, centerfolds, actresses, models, Strippers (ITC OTC) etc that provide PSE/GFE for the sake of pleasure.
2. Mistresses/Sugar Babies/Concubines; etc, for the daily health of our bodies.
3. Trophy Girlfriends/Wives to bear us lawful offspring, and be the faithful guardians of our homes.
4. Realistic Sex Dolls/Gynoids/Fembots, and Internet Porn and Instagram/Onlyfans “Models”, for kicks-and-giggles”.
5. Street walkers and crack whores for when you are horny, drunk, high, depressed, bipolar or just plain stupid and crazy, poor and miserable and can’t afford anything else.

Historically It is the same all over the world…

Men and women just end up in the situation that they are because of the circumstances that they encounter in their lives.

Remember

“In this country, you gotta make the money first.

Then when you get the money, you get the power.

Then when you get the power, then you get the women.”

~ Cuban refugee Tony Montana (Al Pacino) in the movie Scarface (1983)

So just make the money, get the power; so you don’t have to give any fucks about what you do; and get the women.

Just be careful out there and remember:

Pics and Vids or it didn’t happen.

:D

@Mate- I’m in finance and I’m not sold on bitcoin, even with its most recent spike which is more or less due to the SEC recently sanctioning it as an ETF rather than just a superfluous, volatile investment. In other words, they (our financial institutions) will try and regulate its value on minute by minute basis. I’m somewhat biased however because I’m a slight conservationist and don’t believe in mining due to environmental risks. Anyways, back to pussy. Which is still far more valuable than bitcoin in my estimation. I only have 1 dopamine dealer left, which means I have to mine for more stress relievers, which is stressful in and of itself based on my criteria. Even Miami clubs are thinning due to these sugaring sites. Hopefully these dancers see the light, get stood up/bait and switched a few times, and come back to the circuit.

I have waded into sugar life and hung out with a lot of dancers in the past 6 months OTC. I myself tried to convert a high end dancer to a sb last year and ended paying her range rover payment and her high end condo bills while she failed to live up to my past SB experiences.. I have had SB's prior and can tell you dancers make horrible sb's because they are used to the daily hustle. SD's like to give without being asked and SB's like to receive without asking.

I have seen the same thing happen with a few girls as the clubs get slow. Half of the time the new "sugar daddy" I hear about turns out to be your run of the mill drug dealer or a middle class guy running up debt. I saw a seeking arrangements report that said the average "sugar daddy"'s income is only something like $220k/year. Definitely not enough to spoil anyone. If you are trying to keep a 9 or 10 interested you are going to drop $10k to $20k a month if you don't want to share.

TLDR; It's best to keep ITC girls ITC and deal only with SB's who know how to sugar. The recent converts will be back on the pole before christmas when their PL goes broke or tires of their drama. I was also able to get FS OTC with one of these girls in my hotel for a little more than I used to pay her ITC.

@Board - anyone else get sporadic racist spam from rickmicrodick? I’m not going to waste precious seconds of my life responding to his drivel even though his words aren’t even worth the shit stains on his mother’s thong. How many user names does this guy have? Geez.

Never seen that happen. Mostly they seem to stop because they never really wanted to do it in the first place. Or for a dubiously-worth-it SO.

Adult entertainment is like construction or farm labor. Either we have to let guest or permanent immigrants in their 20s come in to do it. Or expect it to increasingly be more and more expensive. Home grown zoomers are scarce.

Society Is Changin'. Only Fans & Sugar Daddy's Are Effecting Our Dancers. It's Not Like The Old Generation, Like Baby Boomers & Earlier.
Girls Want Babies, Support, & Money. Even Our Earth Itself Is Changing *The Planet, Climate & Environment, The Sun, Space, Earth Rotation Etc.....All Rollin' An Effect Of Dancers That May Not B As Interested In The Long Haul @ The Club As The Old Days. This Is Not To Get Off Track, But An Additional View. I'm Still Thankful + Happy For The Strippers We Have Though, ▶️ YouTube, Tuscl, Etc.......

Square, I don’t engage with him or his dm attempts to bait me. He eventually left me alone. Guys got nothing else going on in his/her life.

I understand the concept of sugaring and the psychology behind it on both sides but it doesn’t fit me nor is it conducive to what I’m looking for. I don’t mean that in a patronizing sense, and more power to anyone that does it but once you include the pseudo dating elements into the equation, you can count me out. Sorry but it’s hard enough to engage in thoughtful and intelligent conversations with most dancers as it is and slightly more bearable if they are super hot. Only 1 will ever have me in that aspect and I’m fulfilled in that category anyways. I just want to pay them to leave as the great Charlie Sheen once said, not engage in any pragmatic discussions about money, food and instagram as a pre requisite to what I’m truly there for.

ITC, OTC, Sugaring, Mistress, Tijuana, Escort, Streetwalker, Massage Parlor, Only Fans = 100% all a variation on the same theme: Prostitute and John. We can admit it and accept that it will always change because everything always changes, like it or not.

My dancer friend said she will do take out with customers who she has a big roll and descent looking. She tried the daddy thing but guys wanted exclusivity which doesn’t play out

One thing I've seen more of past few years is more dancers glued to their I-phones (Only fans? Come see me baby ? etc, etc) on the floor and in dressing room.
I have a simple break down of dancers: Those available for me, and those not.
Afaic, a distracted dancer in club is equivalent to dancer leaving club for sugar daddy. Neither is interested in pleasing me, I'll look elsewhere for someone who is, regardless of reason for distraction.

Every dancer thinks their God’s gift until they realize their sexual marketplace value wanes/precipitates everyday. it’s just like being an athlete in some ways, as there’s always new draft picks (domestic and international) that’ll push their value down even more. It’s a cruel churn em and burn em business. And apparently, with college girls (not working girls) joining the sugaring mix to help pay off tuition- the markets even more cluttered. And not in their favor.

I don't see much change. Sure, there are some girls trying OF these days. or SA or similar. Perhaps recent years has brought about higher percentage of girls trying it out. But overall I don't think the percentage of girls that keeps out of stripping has changed much in recent times. Maybe it's slightly higher with girls actually succeeding in those things, but not enough change where I really feel like the clubs are devoid of talent.

I do know a couple of girls who are getting married and getting out, two of the three to sugar daddies who do not know that's what they are. I think it seems like a lot right now because they're all coming in the same ~6 month window. But its been a few years since I've a dancer I know has quit for that reason, so if I looked at a decent time scale it's probably just averaging out. That, and it's not something that is always talked about. I only am really friendly enough with one of the girls to know her real story, the other two are just casual stripper friends of hers that heard us talking about her situation and chimed in with some "me too" kinda shit.

Not much of a change that I can see. I've seen some dancers doing both. I've also seen more dancers trying to move club customers over to a sugar-style relationship, but I'm not seeing an exodus.

@eor- ya, i get the offers a lot but it’s always gotta be a “date” at a restaurant or a shopping expenditure first or no room afterwards. Sorry, not doing that. If I wanted to date, I’d easily get a civvi chick and risk the entanglement factor. I’m not going on a pseudo date because you can’t compartmentalize in the first place. Just take my money and buy/eat whatever you want alone or with your boyfriend/side dude. I don’t need to be involved in that equation.

I'm on an extended (possibly permanent) break from extras, but I never saw the appeal of anything other than ITC.
Why do OnlyFans when there is so much free porn out there?
Why do OTC when so much shit can go sideways?
Why "sugar" when these women are delusional and there's no guarantee of sex?

Right now I'm off the market, getting more and better sex at less cost than in clubs. BBFS. Too tight for anal so far but fantasizes about me cumming in her ass. More than happy...though I miss the variety, clubs were getting repetitive too. Maybe I'm just too fucking lazy to make an extended trip just for strip clubs.

If I were single again, I'd stick to no-commitment ITC.

Yea the sites like seeking bring more competition in the industry but its a good thing for consumers- and good for providers too as it forces them to provide proper service to compete.

Also dropping 10k to 20k a month on a single provider is ridiculous. Even if she guarantees exclusivity it would be ridiculous, but i wonder if they would even guarantee exclusivity for that. You could easily spend 1k for a 9 or 10

Except for the fact that chatting with a young dancer is incredibly painful, not much has changed. Never met so many people in my life who have no hobbies or pursuits.

Or having children, because these people can’t look past their own hedonistic needs to fill their never ending empty void, a bottomless pit.

^Stupid people with this attitude is why I don't even need a sign outside my office.

@squaredcastle, I feel for your loss of your two favorite dopamine dealers. One thing about this biz is that strippers are always coming and going for various reasons.

I think it's just an unlikely coincidence that you have two favs who left for the same reason. I'm skeptical that this is a broader trend. The reason I think this is because SBs generally don't make the same kind of money that strippers do. I'm not a part of the sugar scene though I am curious about it. One thing that surprises me is how low PPM or allowances are for SBs. Take a look at this thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/sugarlifestylef…

A lot of SBs are taking $500 for PPMs or have allowances in the $1k-2k range. And what's more, the income is inconsistent as not all SRs last. Even if your two favs found "whales" that are providing much higher allowances or PPMs, the whale can always grow tired of the relationship, and finding a new whale is difficult. So, maybe your favs will be back?

Either way, I don't think this is a big trend to fear, you just personally got unlucky here and took a bad beat. Take comfort in the fact that hunting for new favs is part of the fun of the hobby!

Ronjax good points. Although, the $500 for an hour for instance is much more than most or any stripper could make in an hour. In fact their lap dance/champagne rooms are timed so i dont think any stripper could make $500 in an hour unless theres lots of tips involved

Those SBs only pulling in 1-2k a month are doing it intentionally because it’s basically a part time job and they purposely want to limit their number of clients.

I had two experiences with SB's, both were pre-COVID. Never again. The risk is too high, too expensive, too inconvenient, too uncertain, and little value for my money.

SB1 wanted $400 for a dinner date, no sex. She would choose the restaurant and meet me there. Sex, if there were to be sex, is a possibility reserved for the very distant future. - No thanks!

SB2 told me she keeps odd hours and would call me when available. It could be any day of the week. I would then need to have a paid motel room available. She could arrive anytime, but most likely from 1:00 AM to 3:00AM. No mention of her fee. - Sorry, not interested.

I would have to be a desperate loser to patronize these SB's. I'll continue going to clubs.

@Wise/RJ - Ya, I just can’t get on board with any of that at all. Interesting, the link to the ad RJ posted mentioned they (SBs) make a median of $1,000 just to go on a date but it doesn’t really specify what that entails. Even if it entailed the means to the end, which would be the room, I would never pay for the company of a beautiful woman even if I were desperate. I mean, I wouldn’t sit across from 99% of these dancers on a dinner date for free. I’ve done that already once begrudgingly and it was agonizing, even though I got what I wanted afterwards. ITC and the occasional room if she fits the criteria is the way to go in my opinion.

WiseToo theres some members on here who have had great success with sugarbabies and the SA site. The examples you posted, seem to be more like a scammer who has a SO or something, and the second option comes across like someone cheating on their SO or something.

Theres some guys who use SA and actually pay after, not up front. So there is little risk to being scammed. I assume they pick the restaurant themselves too.

One of my ATFs finally got beached by one of her whale SDs. Bought her G wagon and swept her away to Europe and retirement. Fairytale ending for a local legend.

Being a really good stripper is a lot more like being a really good SB/escort than it is a good OF content provider. Stripping and SB/escorting is something you need people skills for. OF requires really good attention to camerwork, outfits, themes, cosplay, posting things regularly, etc. One of the best strippers I know tried OF and couldn't make it work because she's not organized at all, even though she's gorgeous and gives a great lapdance.

I was thinking the other day how my club has finally fully recovered from the lack of new girls starting during the Pandemic and the booming economy of 2021-2022. There actually are a lot of hot young strippers at my club now, and the mileage is reasonable.

With ATFs who get out of the stripping game and sugar, I wonder if some of it is aging. Even if her head game is top notch, a 35 year old just isn't going to get as many new guys as her 21 year old competition. I can see scenarios where girls who are just going in to the club to service regulars find it better to step away from the club.

And yeah OF really is online marketing. I've talked to a few strippers who have dabbled in it and done solo porn. They all basically admit they could make way more money if they worked harder at it (but we all know a lot of strippers choose sex work so they don't have to work 40+ hours a week)

OF is not just how hard you work but about popularity. Its like building a famous youtube channel.
Of course, working harder at OF or YouTube, increases the chances youll make it big but it still doesn’t guarantee you’ll make it big. You need to get views/subscribers/buyers on there. And the OF market is very saturated like everywhere else.

If you can get social media famous, on twitter/X or instagram or facebook, you can use that fame to jumpstart a YouTube or OF career. You have a huge audience who you can feed the OF or youtube to. So any social media fame will help.

But if you’re a random stripper who only has 1-2k instagram followers or twitter followers, it becomes much harder to launch a youtube or OF.

Another factor to consider is that clubs usually dont allow cameras or recording and they allow dancers to use fake names to protect anonymity. This allows girls to be dancers and not have it go on their record and the world not knowing. If they wanted to go into porn or onlyfans they would have to keep their face covered in their pics/videos which may hurt their income.

I dunno. I've seen dancers getting their bills paid throughout the decades I've been doing this hobby thing. A dancer who was on her way to being an ATF disappeared for over six months because a dude was paying her rent and paid to get her horrible teeth fixed. A true white knight that guy was lol.

That was 20 years ago. I think nowadays the whole sugar baby thing is more openly discussed, and it's more accepted to sell ass to pay the rent in casual circles. They just call it "hustling" these days.