Nudity on Stage Getting Rarer

I agree with you. it's becoming more rare and such a shame. Even at my favorite club, Hong Kong.

Yep, my two favorite towns for our hobby don’t seem to have that problem. South Florida, and TJ girls aren’t afraid to show you the goods on stage.

I think nudity on stage means that they will pull the thong to the side and flash the goods periodically….or if guys are up there tipping. But a lot of this newer generation of dancers sometimes feel like if they aren’t getting tipped right that moment they don’t have to get nude. Of course, not all of them are that way - just some.

I’d say it’s about a 50/50 shot in a full nude club. I live in Seattle now (although not for much longer….) and that’s how it is here. But in the southeast, it’s more like 80/20 in favor of full nude.

Agreed. It's becoming more rare unless you pay for it in a lapdance / VIP area.

I agree. I see the same thing in PA. There is much more dancer's setting their own agenda than the club setting a common denominator.

It started at Follies with the influx of Cuban dancers. They don't even get on stage or totality nude unless you spring for VIP.

In the nude clubs I go to it depends on how the crowd is tipping. If the tip rail is full of guys giving a few bucks a piece they tend to get naked most of the time. If the rail is empty and no one is tipping they don't get naked and some don't even go topless at that point. If there is just one or two guys tipping the girls seem to just flash those guys the goods up close as a thank you.

Honestly I don't blame the girls, why should they get naked for a bunch of guys that aren't paying? I get that it is a way to advertise for dances but I don't know how well that actually works. I can't think of a single time that I made my choice of who to get dances from based on whether or not they took their g-string off on stage when not getting tipped.

Now if I am planning to take a girl for dances and she didn't get naked on stage I will confirm with her that her dances are fully nude before going back.

In GA and FL, a lot of girls are waiting until the last half of the last song in their set to get nude. If at all. Fortunately two of my preferred spots in JAX have a rule where $5 = dancer gets nude immediately.

For all of my complaints about the Deja Vu franchise (over priced admission and dances, scanning IDs, underpaying the dancers), at least the dancers routinely get nude on stage in the Deja Vu clubs in Michigan. But overall, I agree with the concern about the roll back of nude dancing.

Not getting nude on stage when I’m up there tipping is a red flag to me re: buying dances from that girl. I get that sometimes they tease it to Song #2 (2-song stage sets being standard here), so I tip in increments to reward those who do and stuff those that don’t (it’s a “nude” club, so nude dances are required). If they later hit me up, I’ll ask them directly why they didn’t get nude in a nude dance club; it can be very revealing, actually. I’ve heard some legit excuses (tampon string, lace-up boots in the way, etc.), but mostly it’s just entitlement indicators.

IMO, this issue isn’t new or recent; it’s a classic, tho the pendulum does swing. I think it’s more about whether customers enable it.

Northern Ohio, I haven't seen a nude dancer on stage for probably 10 years. I suppose they still do in some juice bars but there aren't any juice bars within a 2 hr driving distance and since the attractive quality of strippers has taken a huge nose dive around here in recent years I don't feel like taking the drive to a remote bar to watch possibly unattractive nude chicks dance.

@whodey, that's a good point about them flashing the guys who tip them specifically. That's me standing at the stage, showing them a $20 bill halfway through the song when they are 4 stages through their 5-stage routine and have only been tipped the $5 I gave them at Stage 2, and still about 2 out of 10 girls will show what's between their legs for a few seconds at that point. One woman who did have a type of leggings that left her coochie bare, I stood by her stage for the full 3 minutes with a $20 in my hand as she twerked a bit, delightful view of pussy for a scant few minutes. I handed her $25 as the song ended and she was so surprised and hugged me. Cute young woman, pussy out, getting paid for her work in turn. Why can't it always be like that?

I hope I helped a girl come out of her shell in the nudity regard last night, but I may have done my part to make the rarity of nudity even worse instead. She was a cute little Ariana Grande-looking thing. We had already done a few dances and it was her turn on stage again. At the 4th of the 5 stages, after tipping her a few bucks, I asked her if she was comfortable taking her bottoms off. She said that could "cost more" and said she'd them off at the last stage, the one most off to the side. I come back to her once she has moved to the last stage, wiped the pole and gotten ready to perform. She says again that it will cost more because she "don't get nude on stage like that really," and asked me how much money I have. She wants me to "make it rain". I tell her I don't have any ones but I may have a few 20s if she wants them. She says "five" ($100). I pull the money out and show it to her; I say "do it." She pulls the bottoms down (not all the way off) and for a few moments she is standing over me on stage with her pussy out. She was VERY shy about it, but that was kind of endearing in a way. I hope she feels that she can be a little bolder now, but perhaps it'll take $100 dollars for her to flash anyone her pussy from now on smh. Where the real strippers at in DFW, TX?

In a nude club, the broad should complete at least one song's worth of dancing nude. This shouldn't be if they feel like it. Management needs to bring the hammer down on those who think they should set their own rules. Also, none of "I'll flash it after you tip me." You get nude like you're supposed to or get nothing. I'll agree with risk a that there's a sense of entitlement made stronger by those who enable it. Don't tip them to do what they should be doing anyway.

^this^

I really don’t care a whole hell of a lot, either way, but if I enjoyed a stage set I will usually tip, if she doesn’t get completely naked, I not likely to pay attention. I think those of you that want to find fault will, but in general, most guys don’t care very much. What is more likely to make a visit memorable is your interaction with a dancer not her interaction with the room.

It's a circular issue....girls don't want to get nude for free/low tips, and guys sometimes don't tip as much prior to them going nude.

Even in supposed nude clubs, some girls don't get nude.

That's what I'm talking about though: the women not jumping to ditch the clothes even when you tip

^ When that happens, I stop all tips to the girl.

The tampon excuse is BS. Girls either cut the string or push it up inside themselves. Hell, I even had one girl pull panties aside during a LD, and she hadn't even bothered to push/cut the string....it was just curled up at her lips.

Me personally, I prefer clubs that basically only have one rule for dancers: Don't be a pest or a ROB. It makes me uncomfortable when every single stage dancer makes everyone at the stage her gynecologist. It's probably a miserable club to dance at. Some dancers just prefer to focus on offstage PL $ harvesting. Most I'd say are looking for a certain level of stage tips for each incremental level of displaying the goods. Some have expectations on the high end that are probably self-defeating. But, with the US freedom stuff, that will happen.

Probably somewhere on the internet, there's video of a woman putting a wombat in her vag. I just don't see how what you'll see on a strip club stage is going to compete with the net.

The internet is the internet, for sure, but a good show in person with some tasteful raunch is a different experience, imo.

I don't make it to all-nude clubs as much as I used to, but I have noticed less nudity at the few I have visited over the past few years. I've also noticed tops staying on longer at the topless clubs. I think stage tipping may down also, but not sure if that. Maybe it's a chicken and egg problem?

I do recall my nude club visits from the 90's and 00's... Some may call it a gyno show, but spreading legs for many eager tippers was the norm that I remember.

I thought a gyno show was the point of a club being nude, but I could just be a pervert lol.

But yeah, stage tipping is down. The last few times I've been to the club, it was rare to see more than two people up tipping girls at once. Hard to say whether the reduction in tipping is a cause of less showy performances or a result of them.

Spitballing here...

It's true that I used to see more full nudity in 90s and 00s, but it's also true that extras weren't nearly as common (at least where I was).

As there are more dancers offering extras (particularly in the past few years), perhaps the dancers are scaling back on going full nude on stage to entice more guys to take them to VIP.

Again, not sure about this. This is definitely a thread that would benefit from dancer participation.

Here in San Diego the girls are still spreading on stage fully nude. There will always be the occasional girl who only takes her bottom off in the last 10 seconds of the second song. But girls who don't want to go fully nude go dance at the topless clubs that serve alcohol.

FWIW, the dancers on stage at Hustler in St. Louis/Washington Park always get nude during their stage set, whether on the main stage or their smaller "cage". The same is also true at Palomino in Las Vegas. In both cases some dancers make more of a show of it than others, but they always dance the last song nude.

Personally I prefer the unlicensed massage in the couch room to the unlicensed gyno at the stage. But, one consensual kink is as good as the next. I'm not down with with it if a dancer who rather work the couch room is obliged to provide a gyno show. The dancers who are cool with doing it (there are plenty) should be allowed to take the stage rotations of other dancers. The unlicensed gynos should tip their patients well, so they're not losing money being off the couch. The complication is that the gyno show providers are also often the dancers who can handle doing a high volume of extras per shift. They're needed in too many places at once.

the contrary view:

Like the OP, I love lap dances, but I prefer them topless only, often say so in the initial conversation. I'm here for a fantasy, full nude sorta breaks that mood, makes it too real.

I don't complain the few times she's taken it all off, it's a gently held view. Same on stage, I'm mostly focused on breasts and overall shape and beauty.

I can take my lap dances topless. There's no real point in having her do those nude, as it's not going to feel any different and a lap dance is usually in dim lighting. That's why I am about nude on stage...there I can visually take in ALL the fine details.

For me, the hottest thing a dancer can do on stage is floorwork where she looks she's porking or is about to pork an invisible guy. Fully nude definitely takes that up a notch.

The nightmare scenario with fully nude is when they put their crotch in your face, and pelvic thrust till you cry uncle. I feel like I should wear a t-shirt that says "Not From Bulgaria" or something so they'll know it's not my thing.

Bwahahaha no doubt, there are extremes to these things that need not be crossed. If I know and trust where the woman has been she can absolutely thrust herself into my face, but a random stripper, I really want distance while close enough to give me a good visual.

It seems like every other stripper holds a nipple to my lips expectantly, but I can't get a really good peep show through the ordinary course of business with any regularity. Like, Miss, you would allow me to be the 10th guy to suck your tits tonight for no extra funds whatsoever, but you're shy to let me simply look at your pussy. It's crazy to me lmao, the boundaries are slightly mixed up haha

If I want ass cheeks peeking out of a bikini/thong bottom, I go to a beach (without a need to tip). If I want pussy shots, I go to clubs and spend money. No sense paying to see in a club, what you can see for free elsewhere.

But, I acknowledge that there are different types of PLs, with different goals at a club (stage shows vs VIPs), and even a specific PL may rotate between viewing pussy spread wide on stage, and getting VIP action.

For me, seeing pussy on stage is a precursor to getting me in a "no way I can stay out of VIP now" mindset. So, I may have both goals during a visit. I've become numb to just topless, and certainly to pastie/bikini clubs....perhaps a case study in desensitization that anti-porn advocates preach.

Now if you will excuse me, I need to go take care of the situation created by my thinking about pussy lips being spread on stage, by sprinkling some $1s on a stage, then being grinded to a LDK finish.

I remember SCs in the 80s pre-lapdance era when most strippers on stage in most clubs I visited did the full gyno exam every time on stage. It was standard and expected, and not just showing it, but full spread legs, bending over in the face of the customer tipping, etc. BUT there was no contact with the dancers. The evolution of SCs to lap dance clubs that started (at least in my area) in the early 90's has been a great thing for us mongers, but the cost of getting guaranteed physical contact (at the very least of lap dance variety) is that dancers are focusing on the laps/VIP extras as main income earners, and are putting little effort into stage dancing or showing the flesh to the whole room. I'll take that tradeoff if that's the cost of the greatly increased physical contact that is more the rule at least in many SCs. I will be hesitant though to ask for a private dance from a dancer who won't show at least some of the goods on stage so I know what I can expect in the lapdance room.

Maybe the dancers who are most inclined to junk-flash are also the ones most inclined to switch to camming/OF.

^ I believe the opposite. It's the girls that think they are too {insert favorable adjective} that resort to camming. The flashing-pussy girls tend to be the best in dances, at least based on my experience.