Whales/Ballers giving dancers jaded expectations
booty_lover92
Somewhere in the Carolinas
Was sitting with a girl last night and she commented that guys have been cheap lately and only buying 2-3 VIP dances at a time, which in this spot are $40-45 per dance. The most dances I've done in one night were 5. I think at times these girls set their expectations on the "make it rain" crowd who tip 50-100 at the stage and the whales who may spend $300 and up on any given night. For some guys tipping you $10 at the stage is all the rush they need and for others, they can't leave the club without getting some dances in the back. Either way, each PL has a different budget and some can't justify throwing away money at girls you more than likely will not score with.
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I'm not sure this is about whales/ballers as much as it is about girls thinking guys should be tossing bills at them for nothing in return.
Girls who hustle make good money. But, girls who go into shifts with entitled attitudes make (and should make) less money.
We go to clubs to have fun, not to hear about their woes.
It’s a churn em and burn em business. And in 20 years, I only knew one dancer who became a millionaire doing this before she quit for good. She was extremely hot, extremely shrewd and had incredible intangibles (mental fortitude, high iq, and above average social skills).
And we’ve dispelled the whole “she makes $120 for 12 minutes of work” idiocy here many times before. The unit of measure of work isn’t measured in minutes. It’s measured in shifts. Walking the floor, sitting at the table, stage dances, etc. are all “work.” They get paid to sell dances but that’s not the whole job and you know it.
Unfortunately, that’s only about 10% of the dancers at most clubs. At the high end clubs, it might be more like 80%.
The takeaway, for me anyway, is that she looks down her nose at "only $120", rather than appreciating that she made $120.
Regarding the comment of dead time taking away from making $120 for 12 minutes of work....even if that's the only money she makes that hour, it's $120/hour, which exceeds hourly rate of many degreed experienced professionals. Even at only 20 hours per week, that's great money for a job which can be worked as a side hustle.
And, if she's not getting tipped for stage dances, that's on her for not being enticing enough to pull tips from guys when she's on stage. I understand that some/many guys tip nothing or very little for stage time. However, I reward girls that do good stage sets. Even mediocre sets get a few dollars from me per set.
Regarding sitting with customers....I understand that it's sometimes necessary to sit with customers to engage them to spend money, without immediate payment. However, it's up to her to approach/engage customers in a fast enough manner in order to turn that marketing time into payment, or moving on. If she can't turn a touchpoint into cash, that's on her.
I've gotten dances from girls whom I initially wasn't interested in, merely because they had adequate hustle to entice me to get some LDs with them, and some of those girls ended up being regulars of mine.
Bottom line.....girls who hustle can do very well. Girls who operate with a sense of entitlement make less, as guys tire of the "woe is me" mentality. Ultimately, the best girls will make above-average money merely by doing their jobs well...without having to ask. While I admittedly frequent places with LD prices on the lower end, I ultimately spend more on my regular girls than the market rate at those clubs.
I recently had a girl get annoyed because I got only 2 dances with her, citing "I took off my shoes for only $xx?". I even paid slightly more than the base rate for those dances, and would have stopped after only 1 had I not wanted to give her a chance to improve her dance, as she was terrible.
It's interesting seeing/hearing reactions/looks of confusion when a younger girl sees me dancing with dancers in their 30s/40s, then I turn her down for a dance.
Over the years, I've listened to younger girls criticize older girls in the clubs, yet the older girls jumped from guy to guy as the younger girls went unclaimed.
The game is only partially about appearance. It's more about hustle and game.
What I'm outraged about is the dancer who complained to funonthaside about taking her shoes off for two dances, because I also DGAF if the shoes come off or stay on..
A Japanese whale dropping 10 grand on a girl in one night is not common, nor is it indicative of the larger market in general. There are too many shifting variables in this business that make it hard for even experienced dancers to predict. When dancers don’t earn, they get desperate and that usually manifests itself in the form of harboring resentments towards patrons who want to spend their money on dancers who treat them with some semblance of respect/decency.
Once she paused, I told her as politely as I could that guys don't drive all the way to the strip club thinking "I hope I get to sit down with a sexy woman and listen to her complain about the guys who came [lol] before me." I explained that if she wanted to make more money, then make the experience all about the guy she's with at that moment. Nobody is inspired to tip more via shame. And if they do anyway, good luck getting them to see you twice.
Considering that I'm a customer telling her how to do her job, she took it well, changed the topic, and she turned out to be a lot of fun. A few weeks later she thanked me for that advice, which I thought was nice.
I think it's bad form for dancers to complain to me about other customers. Just like I think it's bitchy for customers to complain about dancers to other dancers. It's a perfectly fine thing to do, though, in the dressing room and other forums away from the club.
But, with regards to what they charge or expect, it's none of my business. If they're charging more than I want to pay, then I find another dancer. That's why there's more than one dancer.
Most regular customers spend a few hours a week in the club. Most dancers spend 10x that. They will learn very quickly what works for them. Vote with your wallet. They do.
Examples:
1-I was working at another club, and there were girls doing things in the back rooms, so I stopped working there.
2-I heard some guys go commando...gross!
3-Do you see that guy over there grabbing that dancer's ass? I can't believe she allows that.
4-I only work day shifts here, as the nighttime girls go up to guys and grab their crotches.
I try to calmly say “that’s more (or much more) than I usually pay, but if you get it then good for you. If you ever find yourself in my range (and here I lowball just a little, so I have room), hit me up.” They either fold like origami or we part friends (usually). So yes whales & simps can skew the market, but oh well there’s always options.
Act like you've been there before boys. You're dealing with girls whose best earning options are to take their clothes off for a living. You're inevitably going to run into a wide variety of personality types and interesting life views. Just remember that it's their workplace, but your playground. Do you see roosters getting worked up at every hen clucking loudly in the hen house? Of course not. He's way above that. Be the rooster boys.
If I'm interested in a dance, I wanna dance her within one minute of hello. Out of consideration for her as well as other customers, I encourage her to NOT sit with me unless there's no money to be made elsewhere.
Unfortunately, there are many people who get a loser-ass power trip out of being obnoxious. Strip clubs seem to attract more than their fair share of these people as customers. It's a significant factor in why dancers hate having to grind out a decent shift by selling dances in ones and twos. Gotta role up on pretty much everyone, so you're going to deal with all the assholes. Unless they're self-hating, being dissed is not something anyone can get totally use to.
Some have low self esteem. Daddy didn’t treat them right. Stripping makes them feel desirable and in control.
I know that’s a stereotype, but stereotypes usually have some factual basis.
Saying “no” to them threatens them at a deep, psychological level. So, they decide that anyone who rejects them is cheap because the other possibility, that they aren’t desirable, is too threatening.