Dance Prices
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Has anyone in their area had any dance price increases or "name my price" strippers?
A lot of people think COVID is the reason, and in some part maybe true. But I remember before COVID this dick head owner of Dancers Royale in Cocoa Beach upped the dance prices from $10 to $20 and even let the dancers name their own price. For a time you were actually hearing dancers say "I charge $40 or $50 for my dances"
I asked the DJ what was going on and it was something about California having strippers as independent contractors and they are allowed to set their own dance prices. So Cali went from being the worst place to go for strip clubs to spreading their bullshit to other clubs. LOL
It was beyond stupid because the club turned in to a ghost town after that. It tricked down to the other two clubs in the area and the saw a rapidly customer loss. So they all made dances $20 which is confusing because I thought the dancers could name their own price. lol
I go back home to Miami and ask a Manager at Tootsies about it. He was kind of confused but he then said he had like one stripper state that. He was like we don't do that here. lol Dancers are $25 per song. Which has been the standard dance price in all of South FL for decades now.
So I take it, that this isn't an actual law that has to be enforced, it's at club discretion? I get haggling for extras, but doing that for dances is down right exhausting. I've only saw this in North and Central Florida. I did go to Denver and found out that dances are $40 per song. I didn't partake in any clubs there though.
A lot of people think COVID is the reason, and in some part maybe true. But I remember before COVID this dick head owner of Dancers Royale in Cocoa Beach upped the dance prices from $10 to $20 and even let the dancers name their own price. For a time you were actually hearing dancers say "I charge $40 or $50 for my dances"
I asked the DJ what was going on and it was something about California having strippers as independent contractors and they are allowed to set their own dance prices. So Cali went from being the worst place to go for strip clubs to spreading their bullshit to other clubs. LOL
It was beyond stupid because the club turned in to a ghost town after that. It tricked down to the other two clubs in the area and the saw a rapidly customer loss. So they all made dances $20 which is confusing because I thought the dancers could name their own price. lol
I go back home to Miami and ask a Manager at Tootsies about it. He was kind of confused but he then said he had like one stripper state that. He was like we don't do that here. lol Dancers are $25 per song. Which has been the standard dance price in all of South FL for decades now.
So I take it, that this isn't an actual law that has to be enforced, it's at club discretion? I get haggling for extras, but doing that for dances is down right exhausting. I've only saw this in North and Central Florida. I did go to Denver and found out that dances are $40 per song. I didn't partake in any clubs there though.
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I prefer fixed LD prices at clubs, as it reduces need for negotiation and conflict. Now, one option girls have is to vary the LD quality based on offered tip. So, if you know Tiffany gives better dances than Lexie, a PL may be inclined to go with Tiffany, even if it involves a tip.
At some point, supply/demand relationship comes into play, and higher prices bring lower participation by PLs. While a dancer may ultimately make the same money, they will have to spend more time hustling for business on the floor, rather than grinding in the back. Each of those activities requires effort, and I believe being rejected by one PL after another could be quite demoralizing.
Ultimately, there are still $10 LD clubs. If PLs suddenly begin to leave $30-$40 clubs for $10-$20 clubs, the higher-prices clubs may adjust their pricing, especially if girls also flee to the lower-end clubs. Of course, there will always be the girls who won't demean themselves by working at the "beneath them" clubs.
In summary, girls will charge whatever they can get away with, as with any other business. There will also always be the uneducated and/or "$x is insignificant to them" guys, so PLs need to either stay firm to what we will accept, or give in and pay the expected premium.
Even in dayshifts, there is plenty of money to be made, especially once they build up a stable of regulars.
Imagine a girl is at a $10/dance club.....she does 30 minutes of dance per hour, and .that's $70.
Will every girl at every club make that? Perhaps not, but that's her fault in many cases, as it means she isn't hustling enough...she's in the back, she's drinking, etc.
I'm by no means a baller, but I know that my regular girls make more than $75/hour, and I'm not overpaying....I'm getting $10 dances in most cases (even at clubs where some custies are charged $20).
My point is....any girl with decent looks and personality, and who doesn't sit in the back, can do very well.
So yes....I do think it's possible to average $75/hour.
Lets say its 8 hours evening/night shifts every day of the week, 42 hours total.
There’s also the element of taxation —> real income. X makes 80k annually with a tax liability of 12%. Z makes 100k per year with a 30% tax liability. X’s income is greater in what matters, real income. A mostly cash business can/may have its benefits.
The entire $100k is not taxed at 30%. The first $80k is taxed at 12%, and the additional $20k is taxed at 30%. So, the $100k girl still ends up with more after-tax cash, but admittedly the government takes a higher % once she hits a certain level.
...and you're sssuning she's paying taxes. She SHOULD pay taxes, but a certain % don't, which will ultimately catch up to them...but that's a different topic for a different day.
IMO a huge benefit of dancing is flexibility and the ability to make a certain amount of $ in fewer hours than can be obtained in a mainstream job.
I've had 2 dancers turn up their noses at the $10 dances..."wow...I would NEVER dance for only $10".
Really, sweetie? Would you rather make $200 doing $10 dances, or $60 doing $30 dances?
Yes, I know....time is money....but particularly when there are more girls than guys in a club at a given time, don't turn up your nose at money. The top-earning girls are often the ones that will accept less per dance. Of course, they sometimes don't have control over the LD prices where fees are collect by the house. But they DO have the ability to switch clubs.
Of course, LD prices remained stable for years..so some of this is catch-up.
Fewer guys in clubs; more girls dancing. Now is not the time to raise prices.
One way or another, the girls are getting our money. It's just a matter of how much time we get for that money.
Are we cheap bastards for paying only $10/dance, or are we helping the girls by giving them $500/visit? I'm rather certain that when a girl takes home $500 from me, she's not thinking I'm a cheap bastard, even if it was earned with $10 dances. Besides, in such a scenario, where a girl is so familiar to us that we spend so much time in her, she's not getting only $10/song, as we throw in a bit extra for the extra attention.
The few strippers I’ve known who work 40-60 hours a week were foreigners who were trying to bank as much as they could before returning home. It wouldn’t surprise me if their income was well into 6 figures. Enough money to start a small business in the Philippines or Eastern Europe.
One on my clubs has variable pricing. I know that many girls have begun to charge $20 vs the recent $10 standard. When I encounter a new girl, I give her $20 to start, and see how long she dances. If she stops after 1, I'm done for good with her. My regular girls get $10 and repeat business....and it works to their advantage. Of course, I don't broadcast that Tiffany accepts $10, as I don't want peer pressure to kick in.
I indirectly use the same approach. Only difference is that my regular girls know I'm not a one-and-done guy, so I don't expressly state I'm getting multiple for the lower price.
Understood, I used “liability” to indicate the ultimate tax rate — all brackets incurred as the earnings go up the line. However, I should have used something more accurate such as ultimate tax burden.
And the ultimate tax burdens I used were a theoretical example to underscore income from a top line versus bottom line perspective. It’s not to say the top line doesn’t matter but the bottom line(net income) is the big kahuna. I don’t know of the stripping business but I have previous experience in a majority cash business. Cash business is, or I should say, can be the equivalent of, ahem, a higher top line income.
However with the deductions you also have people abusing that. So there are probably some portion of strippers and also other contractors or businessmen abusing that tax deduction policy? Think about it mate a stripper or someone in the entertainment industry, they can expense the gas they use to drive to work… probably any costs of makeup or clothing or surgeries like breast enhancements are probably tax deductible since they can be argued as being business expenses… maybe theres some loophole to where they can even claim shoes or jewelry or cars are also tax deductible? If the car is used for work can you deduct the car payments from taxes…?
Also rent? Are rent payments tax deductible? If rent itself is tax deductible then that would be an excellent deal for someone making 100k a year. Their $2500 a month rent would basically go down to at least $2000 a month…
I've had a hundred or so dances at my local club over the last several years. At $20 apiece. one time a fav offered me 3 for 50. Last week after a 1 and done, she says 'my dances are 25.' Guess it's back to confirming the price with any 1st timer. Oh well.
“Brahma Boy”, really?
Small, home or personal substantially cash businesses not reporting all cash income? Ummm, ok, sure that’s extremely rare.
In terms of the rest, it was different during my own experience, there was a more friendly and modest threshold and they didn’t auto generate as many red flags. It was still complicated (it’s tax law) but I suspect it is substantially more so now (government dbs and software would eventually catch up). As far as strippers, hopefully they’re taking advantage of every single item I and you mentioned they qualify for (and I do mean every one). Yes, certain filing status categories now have pretty big std deductions and make most of them moot. Regardless, when it comes to income and tax liability, nice guys do finish last. For those who don’t like that? Your argument is with the tax code and IRS.
If a dancer is off-the-charts hot and can get away with charging $50-$75 per dance, then more power to her. She won't get my money, but if she's hitting her goals it's on me to look elsewhere for my fun.
It seems like a lot of guys love their free, competitive, capitalist market economies... until lap dances hit $30. Then free markets suck and we want someone to step in with price controls so that we can keep paying $10 to $20 per dance. I'm pretty sure that I was paying $20 per dance at the Foxy Lady 20 years ago.
Again, I don't love paying more for things, but I'm also pretty amazed that it's taken this long for prices to creep up.
After which, the dancer you took such glee in tormenting went around the club telling all the other dancers you’re an asshole. Don’t like the pricing? Go to a different club. I don’t waste my time in places where I can’t afford to go. I certainly don’t torment the employees who are there doing their jobs at the rates the club sets.
In fact it should be fine even for restaurants if they please to change their prices constantly, or charge different people different prices based on their race, sex, religion, height, or any of their other personal whims.