Orange Man Going Down

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JoeLee63
The released details in the indictment are devastating. All the strong evidence comes direct from his own mouth or his workers and lawyers. Maybe the cult will finally collapse but who knows as we have so many low information voters out there.

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Call.Me.Ishmael
2 years ago
Boy... It's a real mystery to me how this thread is going to go, and who will post what kinds of arguments from which partisan viewpoint...
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mark94
2 years ago
“Every time I fly over a blue state I get a subpoena,” jokes Trump from the stage in Georgia.
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twentyfive
2 years ago
@CMI
My money is on this thread becoming a unifying force for increased understanding and brotherhood between the two communities right and left, or maybe not.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
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Tetradon
2 years ago
#bait
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dha
2 years ago
... going down on Melania ....
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motorhead
2 years ago
twentyfive -

I’m as right wing as they come, but I don’t understand any Republican or right wing person still supporting Trump
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ww
2 years ago
^^^ He's supported by Republicans because he is still supported by the general public.

If the Republican nomination was being voted on right now, he'd win. And most likely will still win when it's held months from now unless he's behind bars to remove him from contention.

The way our justice system moves, especially for a figure like Trump, that is not likely to happen.
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ww
2 years ago
And if he somehow were to win the 2024 Presidential election but somehow got convicted to do jail time, the sentence would be postponed to allow him to serve the office!

And where exactly would a former President even do jail time? His house?? LOL!
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twentyfive
2 years ago
@Motorhead
I sent you a DM, I agree with you about 80%~90% of the time and I agree with you completely on this thread
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JamesSD
2 years ago
Criminal or not, the way he "stored" classified documents in those photos is both sad and hilarious.
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funonthaside
2 years ago
I continue to maintain that the Democrats are convinced they will be defeated by Trump. Otherwise, why would the Democrats and CNN/MSNBC be spending so much time/airtime covering these activities?

All because peoples' feel-feels were hurt, our investments and bank accounts are lighter.
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JimGassagain
2 years ago
^^ are you saying Trump could eventually pardon himself if he got elected as President again? He is the master of delay, and could delay this trial for months.

Bacon!!
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jackslash
2 years ago
Trump hoarded top secret and classified documents in violation of the Espionage Act. Was he planning to sell the documents to Putin or was he just going to give them to his Russian master?
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misterorange
2 years ago
^^ asshole
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mark94
2 years ago
We’ve always known there was corruption in Washington but Trump has forced that corruption out in the daylight. It is deeper, broader, and more blatant than we could have imagined. It’s 90% of politicians, 90% of government bureaucrats, and 90% of media. They are all crooks. They know if Trump gets back in, it’s all over for them. They will tell any lie, destroy any life, and break any law to stop him.
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JamesSD
2 years ago
We've always known there was corruption in Washington and Trump is such a grifter he had to get a taste of that action.
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wld4tatas
2 years ago
Trump is where he is because of his giant ego. And because he learned from his casino and other businesses that you can sell a dream to some people and they will buy into it hook, line and sinker. Despite solid evidence against him in the indictment, he's got some of his followers believing that it's all about government corruption, for which there is no evidence in relation to this indictment. And now he's fundraising off his followers yet again.
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mark94
2 years ago
Judge Aileen Cannon will remain the judge in Trump’s espionage case.

The news of Judge Cannon’s assignment raised eyebrows because of her role in an earlier lawsuit filed by Mr. Trump challenging the F.B.I.’s search of his Florida club and estate, Mar-a-Lago. In issuing a series of rulings favorable to him, Judge Cannon, a Trump appointee, effectively disrupted the investigation until a conservative appeals court ruled she never had legitimate legal authority to intervene.
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twentyfive
2 years ago
Trump is a child of privilege who’s never been called to account in his life, one thing you can always count on is whatever is the right thing to do, no matter the situation Trump will purposely, and knowingly, do the wrong thing, we all know it’s intentional , because he will lie about what he’s done, which shows awareness of what is right and wrong.
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Tetradon
2 years ago
The only thing I find more boring than Trump's bombastic shtick is Trump haters' 1230912430926th "we've got him dead to rights now!"
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wld4tatas
2 years ago
Tetradon, this thread was #bait, you weren't supposed to reply to it lol
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Tetradon
2 years ago
^ Speaking of boring.
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Hank Moody
2 years ago
In a bit of irony, the Kentucky Fried President signed the law against mishandling classified documents, changing it from a misdemeanor to a felony punishable by up to 5 years in prison in 2018 when he was trying to ‘lock her up.’
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mark94
2 years ago
The President is the ultimate, all powerful, arbiter of classified documents under our system. It is legally impossible for him to mishandle documents unless he sells them to our enemies, as covered by the espionage act.

That’s the difference between what Hillary and then vice President Biden did and what then President Trump did.

You might not like that legal framework but it’s the law.
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mark94
2 years ago
Vivek explains

“The hard truth is that our laws vest *tremendous authority* in the President to make severe and sometimes awful judgments - to drop nuclear bombs, to invade Iraq in the name of WMDs, to botch an Afghanistan exit that leaves our weapons in the Taliban’s hands. That also includes deciding which documents are or aren’t Presidential records & federal courts have repeatedly said so including in the Clinton Sock Drawer ruling in 2012. If you don’t like the law, change the law. If you don’t like the President, elect a new one. That’s how our system works.”
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twentyfive
2 years ago
^ ‘ If you don’t like the President, elect a new one. That’s how our system works’

We did and your guy tried to steal the election , and when he wasn’t successful he tried to destroy the system.
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skibum609
2 years ago
Gore Clinton and Biden all tried to steal elections
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Package
2 years ago
It’s karma
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Call.Me.Ishmael
2 years ago
#predictable
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mark94
2 years ago
You can’t put a former President in prison simply because you disagree with a decision he made while President. If you allowed that, every former President would be in jail. That would make it impossible to govern.

IMO, that’s what Biden is trying to do to Trump.
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mark94
2 years ago
Joe Rogan:

“….Rogan agreed - but argued that Biden is lucid enough to understand what's going on.

"He kind of does, and he’s kind of a cunt ... He's always been a cunt, though. You go back and listen to that guy lying about his education record and lying about his accomplishments and — like, he’s always been a problem."

"All the fucking stuff with his son and the ties to Ukraine and China and the money. The family, they got paid millions of dollars and everyone was trying to obscure it because, ‘Well, better than Trump. Better than Trump,’" Rogan told comedian Theo Von, adding that he "can't take it anymore."

"If that guy was a Republican, they would be up his ass with a microscope."

"I mean, it’s wild stuff, man. They even got the FBI involved in telling Twitter to censor the information about the laptop. It’s crazy," Rogan continued, adding: "The media is overwhelmingly left-leaning, and if you have a left-leaning politician or a left-wing Democratic politician, and then you have this media that essentially works to support that person."
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mark94
2 years ago
Breaking news

Senator Grassley floor speech:

Foreign national allegedly has audio recordings. 17!! 15 audio between him and Hunter & 2 audio with him and then VP Joe Biden. Kept as insurance policy!
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mark94
2 years ago
Statement from Judicial Watch

First, we learn of FBI allegation (buried) that Burisma involved in bribe scheme that may have included "$5 million for one Biden, $5 million for the other Biden." And then today we learn from @ChuckGrassley that the FBI was told of allegedly 17 taped audio conversations between the Burisma source and the Bidens (including two with then-Vice President Joe Biden). This is on top of bank records evidence, Hunter laptop evidence, eyewitness testimony (Tony Bobulinksi) that implicate Joe Biden and his family in a broad and ongoing racketeering operation.

The Justice Department and FBI have long suppressed all this evidence and obstructed any investigations to help Joe Biden win election. There is no reason to think the FBI and DOJ will stop their election interference (see Trump indictment).

Judicial Watch will continue its numerous FOIAs and lawsuits to uncover more the truth. But when will Congress step up and launch an impeachment inquiry of Joe Biden (and, frankly, complicit DOJ/FBI officials)? If all this evidence isn't sufficient for impeachment action, it is hard to imagine what would be...
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twentyfive
2 years ago
The Republican reaction to Trumps indictment proves one thing Trump was right about the Republican Party rank and file.
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Mate27
2 years ago
Anyone who defends the actions of trump by pinning to the Biden’s and Clinton getting away with their crimes are playing with a low wattage output in life. Republicans are the biggest advocates to punish the crimes that are committed by people, because republicans believe that if you don’t bring justice then that perpetuates crime and lets it continue. Therefore, if you’re a true Republican you should want a swift and just trial, and if found guilty convict the man so others will see by example these crimes can’t be committed.

On the other hand, if the defendant is truly innocent, he should want a swift and just trial to clear his name as soon as possible, but we all know Trump will delay, delay, delay and then in a likely conviction he will utilize the appeals process to extend even further. If anyone really wants the truth they’ll start pointing fingers at the defendant and prosecutors to get this going ASAP! But
It wont happen, because people only want to see and hear what their preconceived notions are to confirm their bias.
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skibum609
2 years ago
I want Trump convicted for without him to run against is stupid incontinent Joe Biden against a normal human being.
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gammanu95
2 years ago
America is a "nation conceived in liberty and dedicated to the notion that all men are created equal" with "government of the people, by the people, and for the people." That career politicians and insiders like Joe Biden and both Bill and Hillary Clinton can commit multiple felonies without prosecution - cover for them being run by the Director of the FBI, Attorney General, and others- while outsiders and political rivals are maliciously prosecuted is the core argument of Trump/Biden/Clinton whataboutism - not comparison of crimes. Bill Clinton is absolutely proven to have committed perjury and engaged in sexual extranarital affairs with his intern. The Director of the FBI admitted that Hillary broke federal law by keeping classified information on an illegal unsecured server which we know to have been hacked and repeatedly accessed by our enemies. Joe Biden is on tape admitting that he extorted the government of Ukraine by threatening to withhold funds unless they fired the prosecutor investigating his son's placement on the board of Burisma AND unlawfully taking classified docs to be kept scattered all throughout the eastern seaboard.

The ruling class is not subject to the same set of laws and justice that the rest of us are. If that does not outrage you, then you are a shitty excuse for an American.
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gammanu95
2 years ago
Correction: America *was* a nation conceived in liberty etc
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georgmicrodong
2 years ago
@motorhead: "I’m as right wing as they come, but I don’t understand any Republican or right wing person still supporting Trump"

They support him because:
A: He validates, endorses, condones, and appeals to their xenophobic racism, misogyny, and bigotry. Even though he shares just enough of it to keep their support.

B: He's not a Democrat. While I sympathize with that somewhat, there are far better choices in *both* parties than Trump.
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Hank Moody
2 years ago
@gammu “which we know to have been hacked and repeatedly accessed by our enemies.”

Cite for this? Not trying to stir shit. I’m aware of the DNC server hack. Don’t recall anything on Hilary’s server getting hacked but I could’ve missed it. You can pm it to me if you’d like.
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gammanu95
2 years ago
^ It's common knowledge, just Google it you lazy bastard

@gmd: your ignorant democrat talking points boggle the mind. You ignore that Trump contained Russia, held red lines that Obama didnt, created a bear economy that saw the highest minority emplyment levels in history, stood tough against China, held NATO allies accountable for meeting their treaty obligations, cut bureaucracy and red tape for millions of businesses, brokered true peace in the Middle East with TWO historic Israel-Arab treaties and ao much more. Pull your head out of your ass and see the truth. This country was doing so much better under him than Obama or Biden.
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skibum609
2 years ago
Trump is a pos but he did better than Biden in every arena possible. Having said that it is time for him to just go away.
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funonthaside
2 years ago
You're right...it certainly IS time for BIDEN to get out of office, so we can again be financially strong citizens.
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misterorange
2 years ago
This whole kangaroo court trial is a whole lot of free publicity for Trump. Everywhere he goes there's supporters with flags, the TV media in a frenzy, Secret Service agents surrounding him, a motorcade of bulletproof Suburbans, police escorts on motorcycles, road closures causing traffic jams, he walks down the stairs off his plane... It looks like he's still the President! Lol
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wld4tatas
2 years ago
Judging from recent posts, nothing that gammanu or mark post is to be believed. They have reverted to the slimy far right wing strategy of posting false information without substantiation, and seeing how long it "sticks". The Trump defenders are on their heels and getting desperate.

FBI: No evidence Clinton server hacked despite Trump tweet
https://apnews.com/article/380b995c9fd94…
* this was Trump's FBI in 2018
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gammanu95
2 years ago
^ LOL. So hilariously and blatantly untrue. Most pathetic liberal shill on TUSCL.
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misterorange
2 years ago
^^ That's why he's wld4scrotumsacks
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wld4tatas
2 years ago
>...unsecured server which we know to have been hacked and repeatedly accessed by our enemies
> ^ It's common knowledge, just Google it you lazy bastard

All gammanu needs to do is provide a link showing evidence of his claim above, which he double-downed on.

Otherwise, he'll be known as a right wing liar on TUSCL.
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gammanu95
2 years ago
Okay, wld4cocks, I continue to prove you to be a lying little leftist shit. You can apologize to me now and admit to everyone that I was right all along. All of these links were on the first page of a simple internet search, but I bet you saw all of these while you cherry picked single article which supported your lies. You have ZERO credibility and again are beaten by my "right-wing" self.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/07/us/hi…
https://www.politico.com/story/2015/10/h…
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/hac…
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/…
https://foreignpolicy.com/2016/09/02/fbi…
https://www.mintpressnews.com/hillary-cl…
https://www.vox.com/2016/9/6/12774948/fb…
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skibum609
2 years ago
Wildforpenis just got flicking smashed lol.
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twentyfive
2 years ago
How many presidential wanna be’s are in the Republican field now, they’re all using the same slogan, the slogan is
“ I Support Donald J. Trump 100% but please vote for me”

🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
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mark94
2 years ago
Burisma Energy Accountant, Who Blew Whistle on BIDEN BRIBERY SCHEME Found Dead.
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mark94
2 years ago
More detail

The Burisma accountant who was a cooperating witness set to testify in the Biden bribery scheme has been found dead.

The woman, who was the wife of former executive Mykola Lisin, was found dead before she had a chance to testify. Her Husband also died in 2011 in a mysterious car accident when Biden was VP. Their son was also beaten and kidnapped in Kyiv, Ukraine. Also, even though Lisin was an MP in Ukraine and prominent businessman, his entire history has been almost completely scrubbed from the internet.
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gammanu95
2 years ago
If TFOT25 spent one moment doing actual research and learning facts, instead of making shit up in his own dementia fantasyland, he would know that not a single candidate for the Republican party nomination is saying "I support Trump." They are saying that they oppose the unequal application of justice, the politicization of the DOJ, FBI, and CIA, malicious prosecution of political rivals, and all the other third-world banana republic fascist bullshit the democrat party is perpetrating against Trump. Anyone who disagrees or fails to acknowledge that is the REAL clown.
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twentyfive
2 years ago
^Were you born that stupid or did you hit your head on something
What a dope!
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gammanu95
2 years ago
You know I am right. You have neither the facts nor the wits to debate me. I win. Again.
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wld4tatas
2 years ago
The problem with gammanu's articles is that none of them have substantiated evidence. Most of them are speculative with statements "probably hacked", "subject of hacking attempts", "hackers really did try" etc. The hacker Guccifer later admitted his claim was a lie. None are supported by the later reports from Trump's FBI in 2018 and the Republican Senate in 2019. Gammanu continues to lie and ignore the facts to save face. Truly pathetic. If he had a shred of integrity, he would admit his claim has never been proven.

FBI: No evidence Clinton server hacked despite Trump tweet
https://apnews.com/article/380b995c9fd94…

Grassley, Johnson Release Investigative Findings On Alleged Hack Of Clinton’s Server By China
https://www.grassley.senate.gov/news/new…
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wld4tatas
2 years ago
>Wildforpenis just got flicking smashed lol.

Skibum just outed himself as a low information voter lol
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gammanu95
2 years ago
from wld4cocks own article link: "DOJ IG: FBI Failed to Review Classified Info ‘Potentially Relevant’ to Email Investigation before Exonerating Clinton" How "low-information" can you get than to not even read past the headline, and link to 5-7 year old articles that disprove your own claim? Damn, you are a dumb, dishonest loser.

How many times do I need to flicking smash you before you give up? You have already cemented yourself as the worst liar and most amoral poster on TUSCL.
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twentyfive
2 years ago
^Debate you why ? It isn't like you have anything intelligent to say.
Dope
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gammanu95
2 years ago
^Sucker for punishment who has lost every argument with me, and has to resort to name-calling.

Give it up old man. I am smarter than you and I always have been. You lose to me because you are a loser in life. Now go have your ensure and check your diaper, you seem a little cranky.
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twentyfive
2 years ago
^ you're a glutton for punishment, you are way too stupid to breed, the only thing you are smarter than is an inanimate object, like a rock, and that's questionable.
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Hank Moody
2 years ago
News is reporting that after he was arraigned, the Dotard went to a Cuban restaurant full of his supporters and shouted “food for everyone!” Ten minutes later he left without paying for anyone’s food and ate Mickey D’s on his plane. He’s definitely going to jail, that’s a clear breach of contract.
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mark94
2 years ago
The way democrats have been pursuing him with false legal charges for 7 years, it wouldn’t surprise me .
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twentyfive
2 years ago
^ he’s not blameless
He will be the vortex that drags the entire Republican Party down just like the last three referendums on this guy.
The only way for the GOP to win is to get rid of him.
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gammanu95
2 years ago
Your comebacks, like the rest of your mind and body, started laughingly weak and continue to get weaker by the day. But in this case, I'll agree with you. Yes, you are dumber than a rock
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twentyfive
2 years ago
^Now you’re just a troll albeit a stupid one.
Dope
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gammanu95
2 years ago
^says the guy who never has anything substantive to say and hasn't reviewed in over a year.
Demented, dopey, and a loser.
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twentyfive
2 years ago
^ Dopey fuck
You’re not even a believable liar, it’s pretty obvious that you make up shit out of thin air, not like your a prolific reviewer your only here to pick fights and tell us who’s a porch monkey, or how about your marriage to a South American woman who’s a doctor or your travels through the world tell us about your FKK visits or your other imaginary experiences.
Like I said you’re a troll and a dopey little idiot.
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twentyfive
2 years ago
^^ BtW you seem to take my opinion seriously every time I say something about your bugger buddy the dotard you come on here all butt hurt. Am I hitting some nerves
Dopey fucktard troll
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twentyfive
2 years ago
^^^Plus I still have more reviews than you troll boy.
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gammanu95
2 years ago
Wow, you really are demented. You have to post 3 responses when I point out demented dopey loser you are. Okay, show us where i said all these things you claim I did. Link to them. You can't, because you're sick little pea brain doesn't know which way is up.

Hey, remember the Ukraine Accords you were so happy to refer to? No such thing. Or how about when you tried to get Founder to kick me off by accusing me of what you were actually doing. When I pointed it out to Founder and everyone else you said I hacked your account and framed you. LOL. Have you figured out the difference between Ihlan Omar and Ulanbataar, yet? No. Or how about when you had the hissy fit little bitch tantrum and "quit" TUSCL? How is that working for you?

I win every time. You can't even succeed at giving up. You're a loser. Your wives left you. Your family abandoned you. You're demented, and filled with the regret of a sum-zero life. People would pity you if you weren't such a bastard.
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twentyfive
2 years ago
^ LULZ
Dopey troll
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wld4tatas
2 years ago
I agree with 25 that gammanu is a glutton for punishment.

>from wld4cocks own article link: "DOJ IG: FBI Failed to Review Classified Info ‘Potentially Relevant’ to Email Investigation before Exonerating Clinton" How "low-information" can you get than to not even read past the headline, and link to 5-7 year old articles that disprove your own claim?

That is a "related article" on the 2nd link I posted, and has nothing to do with the topic of hacking. The search term "hack" doesn't even show up in that article. What a total red herring. The article is also from 2019, 4 years ago. The only 5-7 year old articles are the multiple articles gammanu posted from 2016, which can be easily verified in the URLs without even clicking on them. I would say gammanu is math-challenged too, but the more likely explanation is that he is backed into a corner and flailing.

Anyone following the back and forth and checking the links can see that gammanu has lied repeatedly.
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gammanu95
2 years ago
Hah. The fat waddling pengun fucker has go have wld4cocks ride to his rescue! Do you two bitches have slap fights over who gets to be on the bottom?
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gammanu95
2 years ago
With the writers strike, 25iq and wld4cocks can start their own reality show: The Dumb and the Demented.

"Tonight on TLC: after Honey Boo Boo, stay tuned to watch the world premiere of the pride month special The Dumb and The Demented. Brought to you by Bud Light and Target. "
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twentyfive
2 years ago
^ you know every one of these beat downs you’ve suffered has been you responding personally to an on topic comment I’ve made, you’re such a thin skinned baby that you seem to feel the need to pick an argument over a position you are too stupid to understand.
You do better when you just call people names like the recaltrant child that you are in the meantime go fuck your ignorant bigoted self you really should wear a helmet to go out in public you’re just that stupid.
Dopey troll
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mark94
2 years ago
I can understand why so many people hate Donald Trump. He is rude, crude, and has a huge ego.

In the other hand, he gave us
No wars
Middle East peace
Strong American Economy
No inflation
Growing 401Ks
Market profit
Low gas prices
A secure oil reserve
Lower taxes
A strong dollar

And, all this, while much of Washington lied and spied to undercut his efforts.

Meanwhile, Joe Biden has destroyed the economy and gotten us into a proxy war with Russia. On the plus side, he has supported the transgender community.

It will be a tough decision in 2024.
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wld4tatas
2 years ago
^ That list is mostly the result of Trump riding Obama's coattails. There are many charts you can pull up that show it was a continuation of strong trends in place for many years under Obama. It also ignores Covid, which while not Trump's fault, turned many things upside down and lead to metrics that show the country was in much worse shape when he left office, the standard metric for judging a president.

So to play along with the narrative above, we must focus only on pre-Covid. In this context, Trump had it easy, inheriting a strong economy from Obama, no wars and no fallout from Covid.

What can we truly attribute to Trump?
- A giant tax cut where 70% of the savings went to the richest 5%.
- Meanwhile, the federal debt went up from $14 trillion to $21 trillion.
- Global opinion of US sank to historic lows.

Trump was a one-term president for a good reason, and he only got that one term with help from a sophisticated Russian campaign of interference approved by Putin, who had determined that a Trump White House would help secure Moscow’s strategic objectives. That alone should give Americans pause.

Trump's conduct since he lost in 2020 has proven him wholly unworthy of serving as President again. Republicans should pick another candidate like Chris Christie, who did a nice job in the CNN Town Hall last week.
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mark94
2 years ago
According to Democrats

Good stuff that happened from 2016-2020: the result of Obama brilliantly laying the groundwork

Bad stuff that happened from 2016-2020: Trump fucking things up
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Tetradon
2 years ago
"It also ignores Covid, which while not Trump's fault, turned many things upside down and lead to metrics that show the country was in much worse shape when he left office, the standard metric for judging a president."

Said another way, "I know I'm being deceptive but it helps me so I'm going to pretend."

Hey wld, would you vote Chris Christie over Joe Biden?
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wld4tatas
2 years ago
^ No, I was transparent that Covid was not Trump's fault and to focus the argument on pre-Covid, which is clearly what Republicans want to do.

The deception here is squarely on the right wingers, who want to conveniently ignore Covid as they try to pin inflation, etc. entirely on Biden. Oh, and ridiculous statements like Biden "destroyed the economy".
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wld4tatas
2 years ago
>Bad stuff that happened from 2016-2020: Trump fucking things up

Mark again you are spreading false information. I never said that. He didn't fuck things up, he had it easy and the main thing he did was help rich people like himself get richer at the expense of the federal debt.
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funonthaside
2 years ago
S&P500 index increased 46% from 01/01/19-01/01/21 (Trump's second term). This period included impact of COVID.

During Biden's 1st year in office, S&P500 index increased 21%. During Biden's 2 year in office, S&P500 index DECREASED 13%. If you're associating conditions with carryover from prior President, then I suppose Trump gets credit for the first year increase, and Biden is responsible for the drop in Year 2. Even now, we have not quite returned to level of 01/01/22.

People often vote based on their financial state. This doesn't bode well for the Democrats.
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Tetradon
2 years ago
"The deception here is squarely on the right wingers, who want to conveniently ignore Covid as they try to pin inflation, etc. entirely on Biden."

I suppose you're going to blame Biden's spending spree when inflation was _already happening_ on Trump too? Including his Orwellianly-named "Inflation Reduction Act" which was mostly more spending tossed down the green money pit.

Biden owns inflation. Full stop. He picked America's pocket. He fucked it up, and now he wants credit for fucking up less bad.

No, no, no.
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mark94
2 years ago
I do want to thank Joe Biden for one thing. His IRA established hundreds of billions for subsidizing “ sustainable energy” ( whatever that means ). A big chunk of this money is now flowing to Tesla.

In late April, I put about 80% of my life’s savings into Tesla stock. It’s up 60% since then.

I think the IRA was horrible for the country but I decided to take advantage of it.
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wld4tatas
2 years ago
Tetradon's last post = right wing deception

Inflation has been a global issue, due to a combination of a historic pullback in spending during Covid and disruption in supply chains. Net result = tremendous imbalance of demand outpacing supply post-Covid. Biden's spending was a real but minor contributor in the US. The CPI is now down to about 4%, from about 9% last year. We've done much better than Europe.

The Price Is Right: U.S. Inflation Hits Two-Year Lows In May
https://www.forbes.com/advisor/investing…
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Tetradon
2 years ago
^ Gee, not like your beloved Mayor Pete wasn't supposed to do something about those supply chains rather than go on paternity leave.

You don't get to pump a shitload of money into the market and claim that didn't exacerbate inflation. Would have been even less if he hadn't. Definition of the term.

Lol down to 4%. Vote for me because I put out part of the fire I created. Hell of a campaign slogan.
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Hank Moody
2 years ago
Lots of shouting in here about how everyone and everything on both sides sucks. I’m having to choose among Christie, Haley and Scott in the primary. The Dotard will still be under indictment and awaiting trial not only for ignoring a subpoena and hiding documents from the feds but likely also for trying to prevent the peaceful transfer of power. If we elect him as the republican nominee I’m going to be forced to vote for Biden again. Shitty choice.
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Tetradon
2 years ago
@Hank, I'm "any other Republican before Trump, but any Republican period before Biden."

Not that it matters in Mass.
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twentyfive
2 years ago
^ Ok with the first part, but anyone other than Trump
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Tetradon
2 years ago
^ We're going to differ. Trump's bullshit spread all over the media, but at least it stayed out of my backyard. Biden's is hitting my workplace and my wallet.
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Hank Moody
2 years ago
Calling it his “bullshit” is weak. He literally tried to overthrow the government. You don’t want to vote for Biden, I get that. But voting for the Orange Menace? That’s a vote against patriotism and our country.
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Tetradon
2 years ago
^ "Literally," lol. Overdramatic much? It's hilarious, the left makes it sound like we've got tactical teams with rifles training for this shit, instead we send dudes with Viking helmets and selfie sticks who got let in and ushered around. Hell of an "overthrow" attempt.

Meanwhile, Biden didn't just pick my pocket, but all his DEI racial grievance shit is making it harder to score with hot black chicks, and his love affair with trans everything means I have to be paranoid on dating apps.
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Hank Moody
2 years ago
Yes, literally. The fact that it was the stupidest plan ever does not change the fact that he attempted it. John Eastman, the lawyer who came up with the theory that Pence could overrule the electorate, told Mango Unchained that his own legal theory was wrong, yet he tried it anyway. The Dotard asked the GA Secretary of State to “find votes.” There’s no reasonable interpretation of that other than asking a public official to commit fraud. The list goes on and on. But you know that. He’s unfit to serve. Give me another option besides that asshole but I stand by that a vote for Big Mac Donald is a vote against the rule of law, which is what my party prides itself on standing for.
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twentyfive
2 years ago
As far as I’m concerned Trump is a traitor and deserves to go to jail, he probably won’t, but he’s a criminal and should never be in any position of power ever again.
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gammanu95
2 years ago
^Sundowning. Screaming, stomping his feet, and having another 70-year old temper tantrum. He's tired of reading the truth. Angry that we all see through his bullshit. Frustrated that noone takes him seriously, and too stupid to understand why.
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twentyfive
2 years ago
^ Again with the personal comments, you are the biggest loser I’ve ever seen, I hope you’re wearing a helmet
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gammanu95
2 years ago
You have leveled many, many times more personal attacks against others and myself than any other flame war on this site. It's all documented. The threats, the attacks, the slander, written threats of physical harm, that is all you. You own it. And amongst it, you have offered fewer facts, less data, fewer compelling arguments to move your positions forward. Remember that, and find your own helmet.
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misterorange
2 years ago
@Hank
"I stand by that a vote for Big Mac Donald is a vote against the rule of law, which is what my party prides itself on standing for."

Even coming from you, I have to imagine that was only meant to be funny. It was... right?
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mark94
2 years ago
“He literally tried to overthrow the government”

Trump told the crowd to be peaceful, both before and during the episode. He offered Pelosi 10,000 national guard to protect the Capitol and she turned him down. The police opened the doors to the people. No weapons were found on anyone. Only two people died, both unarmed female Trump supporters killed by cops. The “ pipe bombs” had no explosive charge. It is almost certain that Ray Epps, who constantly urged people to enter the Capitol, was an FBI plant.

I am “literally” certain this was an FBI false flag operation.

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Hank Moody
2 years ago
I’m not talking solely about the insurrection.

No evidence of voter fraud.
No sound legal theory that Pence can refuse to certify the vote.
Trump sends fake electors to vote for him.
Trump tries to convince GA SOS to “find votes”

You disagree he was trying to stay in power?

No matter. It will be up to a jury to decide. He’s a traitor.
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mark94
2 years ago
Of course he was trying to stay in power. Legally.

He wanted State legislatures to use their constitutional power to investigate, and rule, on fraud allegations. He needed Mike Pence to send the electoral college votes back to the States. All legal. Spelled out in the Constitution.

He wanted Secretaries of State to do their duty. Investigate allegations of fraud. Not only legal, but their duty.

The brilliance of what the Dems did in several cities was
- Add votes in the dead of night when the poll watchers weren’t present
- Use their friends in media to declare the election over
- Ridicule anyone who questioned what just happened

As we now see, uncovering the fraud, and proving it, would take months. In fact, with Secretaries of States refusing to comply, and covering up, it could take years. All the while, media ridiculing “ election deniers “.

The legal action taken by Kari Lake has revealed at least some of what a corrupt Maricopa County ( Phoenix ) did to steal the election in 2020. But, at this point, a court is unlikely to overturn it.
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twentyfive
2 years ago
“Legally”
Bwahahaha
“ false flag operation “
His own Justice Department
Bwahahaha
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skibum609
2 years ago
I wish Donald Trump and Biden would just fucking die already.
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gammanu95
2 years ago
Careful about Biden. Even 18 months of President Kamala would fuck this nation up beyond repair.
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funonthaside
2 years ago
For sure, gamma; at least Jill is there to tell Cumala and the 20-something-progressives in his staff to shut up and sit down.
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gammanu95
2 years ago
^ she's putting that education PhD to good uae , lol
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wld4tatas
2 years ago
>In late April, I put about 80% of my life’s savings into Tesla stock. It’s up 60% since then.

A bold and great call Mark. Up another 14 bucks today so near +70% since you got in. You must be thinking about taking some off the table.
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ilbbaicnl
2 years ago
In Basketball, when t here's serious money on the game, nobody's a good sport. Some players limit themselves to taking shit about the other players family/loved ones to psych out their opponents. But they avoid getting fouls called on them. Like how Biush, Obama, Clinton (and Trump) can wage forever wars, causing pointless bloodshed, buy they don't care, because that's not breaking the rules. Trump is analogous to a player who throws elbows, gets fouls called on him, but is careful not to take it so far as to get ejected from the game. That's why all the criminal investigations of him have ended up being nothing burgers. Don't hold your breath waiting to see him in jail.
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mark94
2 years ago
“You must be thinking about taking some off the table.”

Nope. Over the next 18 months, Tesla should have a dozen triggers for rapid stock increases of 5% or much more. The next two are the reveal of the updated Model 3 and production of Cybertruck.

Within the next 12 months, we should see full self driving plus monster sales figures for large scale energy storage. Both these could become trillion dollar businesses. None of that is reflected in the current stock price.

I expect TSLA to reach $400 by early next year and at least $1,000 by 2026. That would work out to 60%/year for the next 3 years. I think that’s realistic.

I won’t be selling TSLA until 2027.
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mark94
2 years ago
The latest Tesla news is they are purchasing a company that produces wireless charging for vehicles. They will modify their superchargers and home chargers so you just need to park over the plate. No more plugging in.

That’s the kind of innovation they are making almost monthly. No other company innovates at that pace.
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mark94
2 years ago
If Tesla can make the Robotaxi, their stock price could hit $2,000 by 2027. Each robotaxi could generate a million dollars of revenue over a 10 year lifespan. It would cost $20,000 to build and very little to operate.

That’s science fiction type stuff, but the necessary technology already exists.
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mark94
2 years ago
Then, there’s the Optimus robot. Tesla has already built the robot hardware and is testing it. Now, it’s a matter of using artificial intelligence to train it to do specific tasks.

It can currently do simple, repetitive tasks, like screwing in bolts or carrying material. As such, it would already be useful in factories. As the AI improves, it will be able to perform more complicated tasks.

I expect Tesla to begin using these robots in its own factories soon. They will constantly improve them. At some point they will lease them on the open market. Beyond factory work, they could be used for construction or firefighting, as two examples.

The potential market, for replacing human workers in simple tasks, is a billion robots. If they lease them at $50,000 per year, that’s $50 trillion PER YEAR ! They won’t reach that level in my lifetime but it’s inevitable they will at some point.
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mark94
2 years ago
Incidentally, if this all plays out, with robotaxis replacing private car ownership, robots doing most physical work, and AI doing the mental work, the world will be very different 40 or 50 years from now.
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mark94
a year ago
Tesla just announced they're going to start making their own supercomputer, the Dojo, this July.

Elon Musk said they'd only start when they had a solution that's more capable and cheaper than what nVidia offers, and it looks like that time has come.

Add this to another potential trillion dollar business that Tesla is entering.
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gammanu95
a year ago
^Will it crash at much as Tesla autopilot?
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mark94
a year ago
Right now, Tesla stock price reflects everyone’s best guess about a half dozen business segments that won’t see revenue streams for 1-3 years. If none of them work out, it will suck to be me. If 3 or 4 work, I’ll be crazy rich. I like my odds.
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Mate27
a year ago
Can’t believe this topic is getting any attention. Most people are over it by now. Orange man is trying to stay relevant and the liberal cucks are allowing it to continue.
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Hank Moody
a year ago
Really? Even if it was some other guy and not The Fried Piper, the leading republican presidential candidate is under indictment and he went on tv this week and expressly said that he ignored a federal subpoena. In a case where he’s being charged with obstruction of justice, that’s called admitting intent. Yeah, we might all be tired of it, but it’s important.
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mark94
a year ago
The better question is why the
Media is completely ignoring RFK Jr who is doing surprisingly well compared to the incumbent. Democrats have already announced they will not allow debates, repeating Joe’s campaign from the basement.

I wonder why ?
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Tetradon
a year ago
RFK Jr is going against a sitting president who is pretty popular with his own party. If Biden isn't caught with his dick inside his dog, the nomination is his. I don't know why "conservatives" suddenly have a hard on for a hardcore net zero green just because he hates the vax and hangs out with the right people.

As for Trump, Dems _want_ him front and center. Because Biden beat Trump already and Trump isn't helping his cause every time he opens his fat ass mouth. Fear of Trump is the best turnout motivator the Democrats have. Trump might narrowly lead in the polls right now because everyone forgot how sick of him they were in 2020--that's his peak, not his trough. And Biden get sleepwalk his way to another win, and the ensuing fiscal policy-induced inflation, high gas prices, crime, porous borders, and transing kids fucks America up even further.
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Hank Moody
a year ago
But what about
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ilbbaicnl
a year ago
My bet is that Trump is waiting for his fund raising off of being indicted to taper off. Then he'll work out a sweet plea deal, similar to what Jeffery Epstein got. He's just not in the same "justice" system that us little people are. People inclined to vote for him will just shrug it off. Just like they did him being judged probably guilty of sexual assault by a jury.
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Hank Moody
a year ago
That’s what a reasonable person would do. I don’t think he can accept a plea. It would be admitting guilt and his whole message has been that it’s a hoax and he’s innocent. He may be past the point of no return. The time to make a deal was when the docs were subpoenaed. Once the fbi executed the search warrant and discovered how he was hiding docs, he made his bed. Even then, he wouldn’t have been prosecuted if they didn’t discover the tape of him admitting he was waiving around a classified doc to randos. This whole mess didn’t need to happen, but now we’re all stuck with it.
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