Extended Pity Hustle

Yes, you put yourself in that position. And I would like to tell you that I have never done anything like that. But I would be lying. Sometimes it's just hard to say NO when a beautiful girl is offering you her body.

Walk away. The requests will keep coming.

Nicespice is always available for you.

^ Are you her pimp now shailynn? 😆

But no worries, I've already found solace elsewhere. Actually a couple of elsewheres, lol. But it's too bad because I really wanted this one. C'est la vie.

You never know, her financial situation may bring her back around to you. Or maybe the romantic partners in her life will step up. Good call cutting her off cashwise though.

"...and an ongoing romance with another dancer in the same club."

Can you do a Reverse Solomon and invite her dancer partner? The last time I had two girls who were also lovers it was like playing twister trying to get at the girl I wanted because the girl I liked less was in her feelings, but you never know. They might both go both ways and it's doubly fun.

Everyone thinks with the little head under certain conditions

Rick, you know the game better than many of us fellow clubbers.

I think it’s difficult for some strippers to realize when a guy is firmly done giving her money. There are likely many more guys who say no, and who weaken and give in.

Based on your description of what happened, it seems you haven’t spent too much, so that’s good. She’s likely not interested in OTC, as you’ve described her elaborate excuses (usually the more elaborate the excuse, the bigger the lie).

Maybe it’s best to cut your losses. She’s not getting the message. She’s not a good hustler, and that might be why (she’s not giving up), as she may have a limited set of guys to hit up for money.

What surprised me the most is that I'm still receiving these texts even today. I told her on Saturday that if she still needs the money that she has an open offer on the table, but that I wasn't going to ask her again. Then she went radio silent. I followed that up by sitting with (and paying) another girl at the club that night, notwithstanding her efforts to get my attention.

After what happened on Saturday, you'd think that she'd get that the hustle is played out, but apparently not. She finally responded to my Saturday blowoff text this morning with another round of vague BS excuses followed by her fears about her rent. I guess I'm just going to let my non-response to the texts do the talking for me 'cause I have no more bandwidth for any more pointless exchanges with her.

This just goes to show that even the most experienced and cynical clubhound can have his discipline challenged when he meets the type of girl that really rings his bell. As has always been the case for me, the key is to recognize when it's going too far and to pull back before I waste a lot of money for nothing.

Don’t you hate that…

It’s like “girl! I want you, I’ll pay you, but quit screwing up! I only have so much patience!!!”

I like that Rick doesn’t do hand outs.

But, in this case, the dancer doesn’t seem to understand that Rick isn’t giving any more out, and that’s the issue. She wants more free money, and Rick isn’t offering any more.

Sadly, she may be a one trick pony, and she isn’t taking the hint.

^ LOL shailynn. I hear you, but any frustration I have - which really isn't much - is more with myself than her. I don't get that emotionally invested in my shits and giggles entertainment, lol. I have plenty of other options for getting laid, but it would have been very nice to have landed her.

She's doing exactly what she's supposed to be doing, hustling to make her money. I'm the one who played into it even while recognizing what it was. I did this even as it was becoming clear that she was not going to pull the trigger on OTC. Since her need is genuine and we have enough rapport that she knows I'm not an axe murderer, there must be something pretty powerful keeping her from saying yes, whatever that is. I'm never going to criticize a girl for not accepting an OTC offer from me. It's a very personal decision involving access to her body.

Kinda funny timing.

I'm probably on a somewhat similar journey right now. I'm a few weeks behind I think, not quite far enough along to know if mine will work out, and I've not given her anything even approaching an amount that would concern me. In fact, if anything she's underplayed her hand and if she'd have not asked me for help buying some household items I'd almost certainly have simply tipped her a greater amount than what she's asked for. I just for some reason have low confidence that this one will pan out so she's on a shorter leash than normal, probably due to the extremely short time between when we exchanged numbers and when she went into the asking for "help." The big difference between the situations is, we've already been together ITC. I haven't asked yet, but OTC is a minor leap. If she's game for that, and doesn't try to get greedy, it could be a good match for both of us.

I don't think these sorts of situations are inherently bad or that you made a mistake. I don't even I explicitly avoid them. I am judicious with the amount I'll extend myself, but I'm willing to gamble. Like you said though, the key is recognizing before it gets out of hand and having the discipline to simply cut bait and throw out a fresh line. I know I've got the discipline recognize it and to do it if & when the time comes.

Gotta give her credit. She found a live one and worked it to her maximum benefit. Although nice to help people it must be remembered that the interactions with them should never transcend transactional levels. They provide a service, I pay for it. Nothing more.

From the perspective of self-interest, it could have gone in a different direction and resulted in a great OTC. Nothing ventured, etc., etc.

From a broader human perspective, you helped a person who isn't a bad person (even if you had motives...). One can only be so critical.

I think that an overall project cost is more important than getting the best price for each incidental along the way. If you’re joyfully balls deep in something you covet, and you are under your overall budget, you are ahead. Who cares about whether the pocket change was doled out for “rent” or for a stage dance.

Like you said you opened the door by agreeing to the smaller amounts, but that isn't always a bad strategy. Like you said you pivoted the conversation towards an OTC arrangement to give her the chance to earn what she needs which is what I would do.

I have given in to those types of requests before as a way to build towards an OTC opportunity down the line. Personally I try to stick to amounts that I would be willing to give as a tip for a good conversation or as the tip for a good vip session without extras. Generally somewhere around $100-200 depending on the girl and the costs in that area but each person needs to set a limit they are comfortable with in these situations.

Once I reach my limit I have to decide if she is going to agree to an otc arrangement or not. If she is, great! If not, time to cut bait and move on to the next one.

if the failed OTC attempts haven't affected your ITC interactions then keep seeing her at the club. but yeah paying for the hotel was something you didn't have to or should have paid for in the very first place. her radar was spot on identifying you as that mark.

All readers should remember that you never part with a dime in the hope that an otc might materialize. If she wants money, offer her an otc opportunity where she'll get paid once she spreads her legs. If she balks, then you know she just wants money for nothing and has no intend of ever providing you something in return.

Been there, done that. Many times, maybe even most, it works out in my favor. Often it does not. Ya plays the game and ya takes ya chances. At least you didn't throw good money after bad, and she does know how to get more help, even if she doesn't want to right now.

I'd say something like gee, I'd love to help you out, but if I did that I wouldn't have enough to get my dick sucked, and I'm really horny. If I don't get my dick sucked my balls will swell and I won't be able to sleep. So sorry.

I found at an earlier age that doing things like buying girls presents, taking them to lunch, running errands for them or listening to their problems didn't help with getting to have sex with them. When I started going to strip clubs in my fifties, I figured giving them extra money when they needed it would fall in that same category of a waste of time. In 12 years of going to strip clubs I've only bought one dancer a present and took her out to dinner. I felt like she treated me just about the same after I did that and never did it again. What actually helps with getting them to treat me better is when they treat me bad cut back on my visits to them. It's the fear of losing a steady income stream that affects their behavior.

Funny, my experience is almost the complete opposite. At least with strippers. Doing little shit improves service, spreading the money around so they get a smaller cut degrades it.

As a teenager, having a car and taking a girl somewhere or giving her a ride home was almost a guaranteed way to get at least a blowie. Maybe the girls in my high school were just sluts. In college, the ticket to slutville was having my own apartment with an in-unit washer/dryer. I can't tell ya how many girls came over to do their laundry and decided to throw what they were wearing in machine too. Come to think of it, that actually still works with a lot of strippers. They love to come over and do laundry and can't resist the urge to throw in what they're wearing. Once there is a naked stripper in the house, nature just takes its course.

@Dolfan

You wrote and I quote:

“ They (strippers) love to come over and do laundry and can't resist the urge to throw in what they're wearing.”

Pics and Vids or it didn’t happen.

:D

Good Times, Good Times.

@Mickey: I realize that you've had an account on here for 8+ years and probably have some experience making deals with dancers, notwithstanding your very low review count. But when you decide on the manner in which you choose to post here, for example, lecturing in what you believe are absolutes rather than simply stating your own viewpoint, you might first want to consider how much experience those who you are speaking to also have. Just sayin.

I knew from the very first ask that she was running an escalation pity hustle and I played into it for my own reasons. I've been doing this for a long time and I doubt there's a hustle I haven't seen several times over in clubs all over the country. My philosophy has always been similar to yours, but in this rare instance there were other factors regarding the girl that led me to give it a shot. It didn't pan out - so be it. I went in eyes wide open. Ultimately it didn't cost me much and I definitely don't begrudge helping those kids get out of a bad domestic situation.

But, as you rightly stated, it had the consequence of putting me in the "mark" category in her head, which is always a risk in these situations. C'est la vie.

Just because a female has sex with you doesn't necessarily mean she's a slut. You could just be her type. I've had some attractive women show an interest in me while others totally ignore me. Having a type is certainly true for me. I walk into a strip club, look around, and immediately spot two or three girls I'm interested in. Often, they will be girls the other customers are ignoring. Last Friday night I saw a stripper I was really attracted to sit at a table for almost two hours while getting totally ignored. When I approached her, she was quite friendly.

Because of this, I would always move on if a female didn't show an immediate interest in me. Trying to win her over if I wasn't her type never seemed to work.

Everytime she txts you about it or asks you about it just give a two word answer until she gets it. "Earn it"

@dogchain: "Everytime she txts you about it or asks you about it just give a two word answer until she gets it. 'Earn it'"

Nah. While a good many of these girls know the deal, there are a significant percentage who don't want to face that fact. On average, the latter are the kind of girls I want to spend time with, and saying the semantic equivalent of "hey whore..." isn't in my nature.

If you're not interested in the girls who don't think of themselves as hookers, then you do you. I'll continue to be circumspect about the whole thing.

===> "Everytime she txts you about it or asks you about it just give a two word answer until she gets it. "Earn it""

She didn't do anything to deserve being treated with that kind of disrespect. She knows where I stand. She's a decent girl trying to navigate a lot of shit right now, including her kids and her romantic entanglements. There's no call for me to treat her like a cheap disposable whore, which she most definitely is not.

What kind of ass clown has time to play these games? Oh that’s right, OP has answered that question. What a waste of time with another human being that has nothing but shit to offer in exchange for her time, probably only has some youthful looks to her currency but is a hot mess to deal with. Good luck with those time management skills Rickyboi! Lmfao!!

^ How much time do you think I devoted to handling a few texts? 😏

You should probably stick to topics like your premature ejaculation issues and how you believe inflation is no longer a problem. I mean you sound stupid in those threads too, but there are degrees of stupid. Just sayin Mate. 😉

Now you’re pulling the pity complaint? Good one. I remember when I had my first beer. I’m sure if you could have coerced her out of the club to earn her cash you’d consider that time well spent, too.

^ Mate, Icee's brand of trolling is not missed. Be better than that.

What kind of body type does she have Rick, is it a kardashian type physique? Did she try to scam you, or just honestly ask for free money to help with those things?

Good posts from dogchain and docsavage