Opposite Trajectories

My ATF DS went from a consistent top earner to now a bartender at the club and a realtor on the side. She also went to culinary school but stopped working in the food industry because the pay was shit. She also still escorts the same as when she stripped. She is approaching 40 and had a kid and gained a bit of weight, so her stripping days are over.

The most successful stripper I know was my wife's best friend. She invested in property when she had good stripping money and also became a jeweler. She now travels the world selling her jewelry and also doing things like teaching yoga and meditation. She has some money but doesn't really care about it. She's a free spirit just like she was as a stripper and can live that life because she actually made wise investments with her stripping money.

". For many dancers, their best earning years will be in their 20's when they are young and beautiful. For many of the men that go to strip clubs, their best earning years will be in their 50's and 60's when they have moved up the corporate ladder and gained experience and prestige in their particular field. "

God bless America !

“their best earning years will be in their 50's and 60's”

Shhhh…don’t let the TUSCL practitioners of ageism (El Duderino, Icee, 48Cowboy) hear that!

It is depressing to see a hot young stripper turn into a rough-looking middle-aged stripper. Too much smoking, drinking and drug taking. Not disciplined enough to keep weight under control through exercise and diet. Don't save money in their top earning years. Poor decisions and poor impulse control.

If they had their shit together many likely would have not been strippers in the first place - so it's kinda inevitable in many cases - IME/IMO it seems often times for many of these girls it's a case of "stripping choosing them" (bc of upbringing/life-circumstances; etc) vs "they choosing stripping".

My best story of it actually working was one of the cutest strippers I ever met. Awesome personality.

She lived in Michigan and was a chubby school teacher. Her friend was a stripper who worked in Vegas and this girl divorced her verbally abusive husband, lost 40 pounds and turned into a knockout, moving to Vegas raking it in.

Her goal was to save up enough money to be able to afford to buy a house (paying cash) in San Diego then become a teacher again. She was well on her way making as much as 30k in a good month in Vegas. I’m pretty sure she was also a high end escort as well. All was going well and then COVID hit. I always wondered what happened to her. I was in Vegas last month but didn’t go to the club to see if she was still around.

I hope she’s one of the ones that does well. No drugs, ate healthy and rarely drank.

Several of my former favs, who are in their 30s or 40s now, have incomes in the high five figures or more. As a group, my favs are doing better than the people I knew in high school. If you are always looking for the lowest rates, then yes, most will be addicts headed for bad life outcomes.

Lots of hot women would do sex work, but their dubiously-worth-it SOs won’t accept it. And/or, due to superficial thinking, they overestimate the chances that being a “good girl” is going to pay off or really be appreciated.

If I had to guess who is the most successful person on TUSCL, my guess would be nicespice. She seems to get it that you have to figure out what success means to you, not seek success in the eyes of others. She doesn’t have the bitterness/self-importance/smugness/hostility that permeate TUSCL discussions. A reason, BTW, that somebody like Trump is only a qualified success to me.

The discipline to delay gratification is the key to long term success, whether for strippers or PLs. If, in your 20s, you put effort into building marketable skills while living within your means, it’s likely you will have a comfortable life in your 30s and beyond.

Many strippers do the opposite. They make great money in their 20s, spend it all, and have no marketable skills once they age. Not all strippers, but many.

I've seen a few dancers go in a bad direction. But I've also seen plenty go in a good or great direction, ranging from marrying a rich guy to starting up their own businesses. One former favorite is selling real estate in the deep south. Another is investing in real estate here locally. And yet another opened up a dance studio. There's another who is now working steadily and successfully in porn.

I had a weird moment a while ago when I went to a nice hotel for an OTC. When I got to the front desk, a woman came out from the back. She was obviously in a managerial position. She was also a former dancer that I'd taken out for OTC before she retired (she still looked good!). We exchanged knowing looks and she probably knew exactly why I was there. Anyway, neither of us felt the need to have an awkward "Hey, small world...right?" conversation. But I did get a room upgrade at no extra charge. I thought that was nice.

The dancers that I see repeatedly over time tend to be on the higher-functioning, more practical side. I might get distracted for a while by a hot party girl just for the sexy fun time, but I go back to the smart ones. I'm greedy; I like women who are enjoyable with their clothes on or off.

I think that dancers learn how to read customers pretty well after they've dealt with hundreds (or thousands...). If you're a customer, there's also some of that. I think that a lot of us have spent enough time with enough dancers where we can suss out who's probably going to stick the landing and who won't.

Being young, desirable, and making shit-tons of money can lead to recklessness. I would be interested to hear what some of our mature and successful dancer forum members have to say.

===> "It kind of dawned on me that strippers and strip club patrons are on opposite trajectories. For many dancers, their best earning years will be in their 20's when they are young and beautiful."

I don't see this as universally the case. Like CMI, I've known plenty of dancers who transitioned from stripping into middle class married lives, a variety of small businesses and other professional careers. Heck a bartender at one of my local clubs owns two rental properties in addition to her own house, all courtesy of money she made stripping. I've seen plenty of other examples as well.

With that said, I will agree that this is likely true with a majority of dancers. But to me that's not something to celebrate. I genuinely feel bad for any girl who gives the best years of her life to this thing and accumulates all the baggage associated with that, but has nothing to show for it at the end.

Among former regulars they later became a receptionist for a lawyer, a hair stylist, a casino employee, a nurse, a warehouse worker and a female bartender. Strippers tend to skew towards coming from a working-class background that doesn't highly value education and the average jobs they end up getting in later years reflect that. Some do better but some do worse. Two former regulars died of drug overdoses, and one was shot and killed by a boyfriend after she left him.

If they are pretty, though, they get a few years making a lot of money as a stripper. Since looks and youthfulness in women is so highly prized, young women have it better than young men. Most high earning strippers, though, don't seem to be very aware that they will be at that earning peak for only a few years.

I have a few stories of strippers lives after working the clubs - and I doubt they are representative of the larger population (of strippers).

I’ve known one former dancer for over 25 years. She had maintained a dual life of office work during the day and dancing at night. I think she understood there was little chance of fellow banking folks finding her evening pursuits - as she danced in a somewhat rough club in Northeast NJ. I was fortunate enough to stumble upon her on a drunken night out.

It took her a long time to move fully away from dancing - and transition to corporate office life. She has gotten a number of plastic surgeries to assist in keeping her looks (as she ages in her 50’s). She looks very good and she’s doing well in her civilian career. She still has lots of issues - especially those Daddy issues - but she’s likely one of the exceptions.

Another dancer I’ve known for at least 20 years, through family, has not made the same transition. She kept dancing into her 40’s and she is one of those who has dreams of show biz fame, that won’t go away. She remains a good looking woman as she ages in her early 50’s, and she is sober, so that’s great. Hopefully she will be able to find another way to make a living very soon.

The last story I have is of a dancer who didn’t get out of the biz, and how it hurt her. This dancer is another one who looked great and stayed in great shape as she aged beyond her prime dancing years. She was recently arrested for prostitution and drug possession. I have only known her for about 6 years. She was a bit wacky - but a very sweet person. I think she needed to get out just before Covid hit, but she got hit hard financially. Sadly she got into the drugs, and more than just using them as party favors.

^ hopefully none of these women are chained to a wall in your basement.

shailynn that’s a silly question!

I don’t take OTC girls back to my place anymore…

I never chained girls to the walls anyway - only the exposed overhead beams.

Not really. I don't see that as a general pattern. There are too many factors to consider.

One of my favs bought a horse farm.

I'll tell one dancer success story. She was a fav who I would hang out at the club with for hours, buying her drinks and partying. After some months she began coming to my house once a week. She was the sweetest stripper I've ever known. She then got a boyfriend with a real job and quit dancing. She actually apologized to me when she told me she couldn't come see me any more. It's been 8 years and she is happily married with 2 kids. She is still a Facebook friend and she still looks very good. I wish all my favs would have ended up this well, but most haven't.

Cash thats an excellent post.

The one with her daddy issues in her 50s- are you able to accommodate her daddy issues despite also being in your 50s? Or does she need men in their 60s or 70s?

Ishmael are you referring to Linzee Ryder the pornstar?

30k a month as a stripper sounds insane, I thought the high earners would be like 150k tops

2 of my ATFs went on to potentially successful and lucrative careers after stripping. One’s a realtor, one owns an insurance agency. They’re both high profile, so I know they’re current occupations. By the way, they’re both in their mid to late 40s and look fantastic. Both very fit and healthy.

I have no idea what a lot of my other former favs are doing, so those 2 may be an exception.

Three different dancers I spend time with all have "plans" that involve getting into real estate sales after taking some school. I hope they execute their plans. It's a field where good looks and people skills honed by perpetually acting sociable in the SC would serve them well. And, their faces would look good on a billboard or bus bench

Rick regarding your example, its not so depressing as these girls if they are attractive are getting their egos massively stroked.

Some of these women can look very good in their 40s

Manuella, do good looks matter that much for being a realtor? Is it only when pervy or horny men are the ones looking to buy real estate?

^ Good looks never hurt. And a lot of pervy horny men are single and want to buy real estate. It’s usually a good hedge against inflation.

Sinclair…. Always insightful comments from a man of much wisdom! 😉

Real estate is just something trendy that everyone thinks they can profit from. It's not that they actually get into it or make it. And it's about connections nor looks

I would personally go for the hottest realtor I see. My dad seems to do the same thing. But the most successful realtors in my area aren’t attractive.