Managing the OTC Rotation
rickdugan
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Every so often I'll manage to find that sweet spot, with one girl I see consistently on a weekly basis and a couple of others I see once or twice a month. Indeed I have it now. Better still, the weekly girl is hot as hell and treats me like her long lost BF when we fuck, so the others are variety plays. Twice a week is as much as I want to do - age, schedule and budget all play roles in that. I don't "need" it as much as I used to and I only wish to devote so much time and money to this.
Of course, even when I have the optimal mix, I need to spend enough time in the clubs cultivating the next great things. Sooner or later one of the girls will drop off the radar or things will just get stale. Sometimes it results in a trade up situation, allowing me to replace a girl who is underperforming.
But with the holidays fast approaching, I know that I'm going to be tempted to binge. The girls who I see occasionally will want to meet more often and new opportunities will inevitably open up. The problem of course is that when I pursue a new opportunity over an existing connection, the risk exists that the old connect will move on. I've mismanaged my rotation in a few past holiday seasons and had to do some major rebuilding in January.
This year at least, I know that I have to feed the weekly girl if she looks for extra meets when the holidays hit. I often use the holidays to explore other options when I've gone too long with one or two girls, but it's going to be a while before I get tired of this one - she really is a gem. This may limit how many other opportunities I get to explore this year, but it is what it is. Of course she may disappear at any time and I may look back and regret passing on other opportunities, but it is a calculated risk.
But ultimately, despite all efforts to manage the rotation and keep new prospects in the pipeline, there will be periods of feast and famine. These girls come and go - it's the nature of the industry.
Anyway, first world problems and all, lol. Anyone else find themselves struggling to manage their rotations? It doesn't have to be OTC - similar ITC challenges can arise.
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I am seeing a new one tonight though. That dang website is addicting ! I can't keep from shopping for a new toy !
Bacon!!
The "feast and famine" challenge is a code that I have yet to crack and likely never will. It is influenced by so many thing, including:
* Economic conditions, where good OTC partners are much harder to find when things are very good in the clubs and much easier to find when things slow down. But this only holds until things get so bad that many current dancers bust out of the business altogether.
* Seasonal considerations, where good OTC partners are much harder to find when things are very good in the clubs or so bad that many dancers do something else or migrate elsewhere.
* Natural industry transience, where multiple girls in the rotation disappear at the same time, requiring more extensive rebuilding efforts.
It is what it is I suppose.
Currently one other, who is best, though inadequately, described as "flaky", I see about once every month or two. I honestly wouldn't bother with her at all except for the fact that she pretty much lets me abuse her any way I want, so while I can't in any way depend on her, when she texts, I go. She once had her girlfriend tie her to the bed with everything wide open before I got there.
The other one is the bookstore freak, but that's becoming more occasional because her bf wants her to "retire".
I've been somewhat lackadaisical in searching for replacements, mostly because I'm lazy. I might take a bit of a break from regular OTC for a bit after SB dumps me and just have fun in the clubs for a while.
"Busy with work" is a great universal excuse to back burner someone you don't want to cut entirely. For Thanksgiving week itself family obligations are real. But that can be a risk if you are still going into the club when you are saying you are too busy.
My civvy world ideal is two different weekly girls along with 4-6 monthly girls. It's obviously very hard to maintain that and the monthly girls need constant replenishing; usually girls either want more or drift away.
I feel like for pay to play you can tell a girl you can only see her once a week. It's juggling the ones you want to keep second tier that becomes trickier. Maybe schedule them out ahead of time? Like "we can meet up after Thanksgiving"?
This 100% IMO and IME. Unfortunately it can also hasten the end of a good thing, at least for me.
All too often the ones who finally cross the line, after months or even longer of resistance, generally fall into two camps: Those who do it temporarily until other things improve, and then stop, and those who get a taste for it and expand their activities. Rarely does a girl keep doing this consistently as a small side gig for a very long period of time. If I get 6 months out of a girl before it goes one way or the other, assuming that I don't get bored in the meantime, I consider myself lucky.
When I have to pull the rip cord is when a girl gets such a taste for it that it becomes more than a simple income supplement. There are telltale signs when that starts happening; she gets harder to schedule with, she starts working less in her regular job (whether dancing or vanilla) or dumps it altogether, and certain other subtle hints. As soon as that happens, I realize that she has increased her volume and I'm out.
The girls who are once or twice a month - or even less - are fairly easy. I just say no a few times - family obligations, travel, lots going on at work, etc.,etc. - and they stop asking soon enough.
I've only done a small number of weekly things, mostly because she has to be pretty special for me to want to see that often, and my track record is mixed. Mostly I've done the same busy song and dance, which worked fine since I was disengaging from them because their volume had picked up, so they already had replacement income rolling in. There is only one in recent memory that I disengaged with abruptly that was not for volume reasons and I'll admit that I handled that one poorly - I really wish that I could have a giveback on that one.
Look, at the end of the day each guy and girl involved in these things knows that each arrangement has a shelf life. Over the years I've only had a small number of girls handle the end of an OTC arrangement poorly.
Sometimes I reach out to them if I'm in the mood, or they'll reach out to me and put me in the mood. I'm fine with either.
For any of them, if I want to move on then I stop reaching out and if they contact me then I'm busy. They know that these arrangements fade and go away eventually.
In some instances, I've talked to them directly about moving on. I'm polite about it, and it's not like anyone is under the impression that it's a long-term emotional relationship. The usual response has been something like, "Thanks for letting me know. You have my number if you want to meet." I've had exactly one dancer flame out on me because I "broke up" with her. It reinforced the wisdom of the decision.
So, yeah, for me it's all pretty loose based on what I'm in the mood for and what my schedule allows.
In my experience, OTC, SA, and other forms of commercial companionship generally stops during the holidays. Not because I don’t want to see her, but there are so many other family and work events and commitments to juggle between November and January that there is simply no time for extracurricular sexual
I had a very successful SB relationship fall apart during the holidays because SB was trolling my daughter’s social media, and she got jealous over the fact that I was spending all my time with my real wife and kids, and my real life family got to go skiing, staying at an expensive resort, having a great time, etc.
I'm pretty sure that I've indirectly bought a lot of Christmas gifts for people I don't know over the years.
How the hell do you guys balance all this sb and otc with a girlfriend/wife? A) time wise, B) not getting busted wise, and C) sex wise ie how much do you have left in the tanks for Mrs?
The idea of multiple sb/otc dates plus sex in a week sounds like a lot of time and “working late” excuses and jizz. I’m probably missing something but I’m sort of shocked! Please explain.
I think that a lot of the guys who are married and doing this shit are business owners who work long hours and can easily divert funds. For guys who are employed but can manage this, I suspect that their jobs have long hours and/or travel components and that they make enough so that a modest % of their income being diverted to a side account doesn't go noticed. Most payroll services offer the option of splitting the disbursement among more than 1 account.
I suspect it's goings to vary wildly on a case-by-case basis depending on work, wife, finances.
In some instances, that balance is not established. And there's more than a few divorced guys on here as a result. Also, there are some wives who choose the path of blissful ignorance. They aren't all that interested in intimacy anymore (at least not with their husband...) and choose to turn a blind eye so long as their husband isn't extremely blatant about his transgressions.
Guys whose wives are draining their balls 3+ times a week aren't going to sex workers for the most part.
Rick is a straight pimp to manage the rotation that he has consistently
But truth be told, how much these things really work depends entirely on a wife's willingness to engage in a little benign ignorance. If she is reasonably bright and has known you for decades, she'll be able to pierce any cover you come up with if she's motivated enough. When menopause kicks in, a lot of women lose interest in sex, especially those who have birthed a few children along the way. If you going to [insert the cover activity here] keeps you from pawing at her 3 times per week, she may consider it a blessing so long as you don't rub her face in it. But again, only you know your particular circumstances.
I realize I'm probably not typical, but in my case it's pretty simple. My wife knows about what I'm doing and is not only tolerant, but supportive. She only wants anything a couple times a year, and so I have plenty "left in the tanks" for other activities.
Rick and Georg, do you use any performance boosters for the otc? Not necessarily viagra, theres all kinds of supplements available.
Some guys on the escort subreddit said they always use some rhino product prior to any p4p visit to maximize the fun and money’s worth. I cant remember the product it has rhino in the name and was sold at gas stations and supplement stores in a pill form. Its a mix of amino acids and herbal extracts.
I'd guess its because I enjoy going to the clubs too, it's not simply a means to OTC for me. So if I don't have a solid OTC regular, I'm content hitting up a club.
Shush now honey. The men are talkin.
True dat. 😁
But part of it is also being picky and not having a lot of control over timing. Now the picky part might be a form of greed too, idk, but I want what I want.
The problem is that if I only rely upon 1 or 2 girls and don't keep a couple of prospects in the pipeline, I could soon find myself without reliable side action. I don't need to tell you that any one of these girls could disappear tomorrow and never come back. It's just the nature of the business.
On the flip side, I also can't control when a prospect pops. If my plate is already full and one who I previously chased changes her mind sooner than I think, then I have a dilemma. If I turn her down, I risk losing the chance forever. However if I say yes, I may put an existing good arrangement at risk.
In fact I believe that I'm about to be in this exact situation very soon. I girl who has refused me for going on 2 years now is giving me signals that she's reconsidering. She's a sweet kid and hot as hell, but the timing couldn't be worse. Without getting into specifics about her situation, which has changed, I'm certain that if she doesn't pop sooner, she will by Christmas. Then, assuming one of my current roster hasn't disappeared by then, which is quite possible, I'll have a decision to make.
Again, first world problems, lol.
Yeah, that kinda sucks. I was in that position earlier this year. Fortunately(?) the new one made the decision easy by asking for *way* too much money. 🤣🤣🤣
Imagine being grateful that a girl quoted you too much, lmao. Again, first world problems. 😂
Perhaps being since I moved. I keep in touch with them on ig and still try to come see them.
I do miss them. We had some good times. But I understand if they found someone. It’s none of my business
B, it's not a bad thing. I genuinely like every girl I choose to see OTC. I won't give any girl my time and money if I don't like being around her.
But these things all have a shelf life. This can be for any number of reasons: The arrangement gets stale for one or both parties; the girl decides she no longer wants to do this due to some moral quandary or change in relationship status; the girl moves on elsewhere; the guy's life circumstances change; etc., etc.
These are healthy outcomes for all parties. Everyone involved gets what they want/need from the arrangement until it no longer works, at which point everyone moves on with minimum drama. It's not like you were going to invite any of those guys to your next family barbecue or kids' birthday parties.
The "relationship" can only go so deep and last so long.
The alternative to a guy understanding this and behaving accordingly is one who doesn't get it and starts getting too emotional. Those are the guys you need to worry about.
Too much is whatever you don't want to pay, can't afford, or can't negotiate. That will depend on your local area, the dancer, and your budget. With all of those variables, it's not worthwhile to try to drill down to specific dollar amounts.
I know that it annoys some guys on here when customers overpay (in their judgment). But, if a guy is swimming in disposable income and wants to throw it at a dancer to shorten the journey to "yes",
If you don't like or can't afford the numbers, then talk to other dancers. Or, ask for a different number. Or, say "That's not what I want to spend, but let me know if you're ever willing to to do X for X amount."
Alternately, make more money or start talking to less in-demand dancers.
There are no caveats or loopholes. There's just talking to dancers.
I will note that around here, OTC with young, very hot dancers is generally less than $1K. But it varies.
This is something you will not figure out here on a discussion forum.
Kids are grown or away at college.
Wife is involved in her own work and activities.
Frequent work travel and working long hours has always been the norm for me.
Live and work in S. Florida, so strip clubs are nearby and most all visits are weekday dayshift.
Business owner with multiple income streams. Accustomed to having cash on hand.
Most of my OTC and SA activity occurs during the summer, when wife, kids, and dogs are at our vacation home “up north”.
Having said all this, I still don’t know how guys like Dugan or Warrior maintain their crazy level of activity, but I really only engage in strip club and/or other type of P4P on average a couple times a month.
I think that Warrior is in a universe all his own. But like anyone else, I assume that he's only spending what he can afford.
For what I do, it's just a matter of discipline and budgeting. I won't skimp on any life priorities for this shit and I won't spend beyond a certain number per month. If I get hit with a lot of unexpected additional expenses in a month, which has happened a number of times over the years, I scale back.
😁😁
Well, bookstore freak gets between 100 and 150 depending on how far we go and how long she gives me. My "sugar baby" pays her rent with what I give her after seeing her four or fives times a month, but she lets me in raw, and doesn't make me pull out. Yes, we both get tested regularly. No guarantee of 100% safety, but honestly at my age, it's worth it. Plus, more often than not, she feeds me afterwards.
@rickdugan: "Imagine being grateful that a girl quoted you too much, lmao. Again, first world problems. 😂"
I know, right? 🤣🤣 Disappointing, but even my PLness has its limits.
I can virtually guarantee that if you're talking to and entertaining typical neuro-median, and probably even many neuro-divergent, including sociopathic, men and they perceive that you are treating them well and fairly, they are feeling some level of regret, ranging from "ah well, all good things must come to an end" to "well fuck, I'm really gonna miss her."
But as rick alludes, it's the clingers that you have to worry about, not the ones who are just wistful about things ending.
Dancers I at clubs I visited out of town and I would see then when I was in town.
Dancers who move around between clubs in various cities and states. Usually they are in town a few weeks every month or so, and see them a few times.
Local dancers, and those I typically only see one or two at a time, and most are usually done with clubs and OTC within a year at most.
Conan, I'm legitimately sorry to hear about your predicament. Not so much about you never getting laid again but about whatever the underlying cause is, be it health, money or something else. I never enjoy hearing about another person's misfortune.
But this is just a shits and grins entertainment site dude. Those who can do and then post about it. We'll all be at the same point sooner or later, for whatever reason. In the meantime, as the old expression goes, the living gotta' keep on living.
I just don't understand why a guy who has an apparently loving and tolerant wife would have to establish a rota of side pieces, that's all.
You're welcome girly man.
Guys you gotta take that extra second to look over your insults lol. You're not on the clock...
As a general rule I feel deep contempt for whiny ass men. I don't know why, but I do. It may be a function of my upbringing, idk.
But with Thanksgiving a day away and me feeling a bit of the ol' Christian charity, I'm biting back my normal response to a ridiculous post like this coming from a grown ass man. Instead I will echo what CMI said. If guys bragging about fun with strippers is something that hurts your delicate sensitivities, then this might not be the right discussion board for you. Posting whiny nonsense around here is likely to earn you little more than derision.
Mate, I understand that you're butt hurt over our exchange in another thread, but clearly you missed the point. If you have a belief about something, back it up with more than the subjective opinions of a couple of other men. Have an original thought, preferably backed up by your own view of the raw data. Don't behave like a whiny victim by blaming someone else for your own intellectual insufficiencies - we've had more than enough grown ass man whining in this thread already.