Lines that shouldn't be crossed
rickdugan
Verified and Certifiable Super-Reviewer
A recent thread about a dipshit who outed a p4p girl and spread STD rumors about her made me think about the lines that I will and will not cross. Even us degenerates need boundaries, lines that we just will not cross. As the character Omar Little on the Wire once said, "Every man gotta have a code."
A couple of mine are as follows:
LINE I WILL CROSS:
* I will happily soft sell OTC to a girl who I think needs the money for rent, Xmas presents or some other immediate need.
LINE I WILL NOT CROSS:
* I will never hard sell OTC to a girl who clearly doesn't want to do it.
LINE I WILL CROSS:
* I will gladly keep the alcohol flowing with a girl who I am softening up for an OTC pitch.
LINE I WILL NOT CROSS:
* I will never fuck around with a girl who is clearly fucked up, disoriented or otherwise too messed up to know what she is doing or agreeing to.
LINE I WILL CROSS:
* I will name a girl in a review if she does something blatantly egregious, like one recently who swiped money off of my tip stack when she thought I wasn't looking (have only done this twice in all my years writing reviews btw - it has to be real bad).
LINE I WILL NOT CROSS:
* Name a girl who engages in OTC activities with me or ever spread nasty rumors about a girl, like STD accusations.
Can anyone else think of lines he will and will not cross?
A couple of mine are as follows:
LINE I WILL CROSS:
* I will happily soft sell OTC to a girl who I think needs the money for rent, Xmas presents or some other immediate need.
LINE I WILL NOT CROSS:
* I will never hard sell OTC to a girl who clearly doesn't want to do it.
LINE I WILL CROSS:
* I will gladly keep the alcohol flowing with a girl who I am softening up for an OTC pitch.
LINE I WILL NOT CROSS:
* I will never fuck around with a girl who is clearly fucked up, disoriented or otherwise too messed up to know what she is doing or agreeing to.
LINE I WILL CROSS:
* I will name a girl in a review if she does something blatantly egregious, like one recently who swiped money off of my tip stack when she thought I wasn't looking (have only done this twice in all my years writing reviews btw - it has to be real bad).
LINE I WILL NOT CROSS:
* Name a girl who engages in OTC activities with me or ever spread nasty rumors about a girl, like STD accusations.
Can anyone else think of lines he will and will not cross?
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No forcing or sneaking something on a girl who isn't into it. It's sad that this needs to be said.
Nothing with a girl who's too fucked up.
Nothing with a girl who might be there against her will. That means avoiding certain clubs (and AMPs) and girls who don't speak English.
I'll name and shame any ROB, defined as a girl who promises something (whether dances or extras), and doesn't deliver at an agreed-upon sum.
A girl who doesn't promise something and doesn't deliver it, or given an air dance when you didn't know you'd get one, is not an ROB. You were just an idiot.
I won't connect dancers by name to extras. I know that bothers some guys here. They can eat shit.
Naming ROBs... case-by-case basis. If there's blatant deceit, then I'll likely spread the word. I assume that the dancers talk to each other about customers to avoid. What's good for the goose, etc., etc.
I will not go out with a 17 year old pretending to be 26.
“do unto others as you would have them do unto you “
My line is I won’t go home or even meet outside of the club with dancers. At least not during this phase in my life. Maybe someday when I have time to piss away.
I too will not out extras dancers in a review, at least not without the explicit consent of the dancer in question, a practice which has earned me a few angry DMs on USASG from entitled shitheads. Escorts who explicitly advertise their services don't have any reasonable expectation that people won't discuss those services and how well she performs them. Dancers and massage providers, on the other hand, do NOT advertise, and I won't out them.
ROBs and scammers of any type are fair game though.
And No means No. If she says no, I'll let her know an offer is still open if she changes her mind, but that's about the end of it.
As far as clubs go. I won't pay for sex. Won't have anything to do with girls on blues or glass. Clubs aren't that sexual to me. I'm happy with an air dance. I like watching the girls. I don't touch them first but they're usually all over me and guide my hands eventually. I donno. I just think whatever physical is always better when she initiates it and you just go with her signals.
Internet info isn’t reliable in general, so any dancer or customer shit talking the other could be out of spite. But in general, any scammer/robber should be named and exposed. If someone’s intentionally spreading an std, or offering bareback while having an std, it should also be exposed whether it’s a customer or dancer.
The alcohol also goes both ways. Not doing anything with someone drunk, and customers shouldn’t be taken advantage of or robbed if drunk either.
I wouldnt bring someone to my house.
I wouldnt do anything with someone who was a rob even if they werent a rob with me.
I wouldnt name someone who didnt do anything wrong.
@Champ: OTC activities are far more common than you seem to realize and hardly limited to the "messed up ones." Why you continue to ignorantly promote that narrative on here I'll never understand, but it is what it is.
@BTE: A girl who chooses to see a customer OTC is as capable as any dancer of running a scam on another customer. Some of my best OTC partners over the years were not above fleecing morons ITC using a variety of hustles, including romance hustles and vague promises of extras that never materialize. It's all about opportunities and circumstances. It's the Law of the Jungle: Stronger animals eat and weaker animals get eaten.
Given the number of "good ones", really, *really* good ones, I've had the great fortune to entertain OTC, your statement rings somewhat false to me. To be fair, there have been duds (and to be even more fair, probably far more duds than good, at least the first few years) as well, but I think I've been lucky. Even aside from my ATF, the MILF, and my current fav, I don't think I could count the "good ones" who've shared their charms with me over the years.
OTC opens up an additional valve of money to the dancer. Scamming also opens up an additional valve of money.
Most of the scams as they relate to escorts or clubs center around extras being offered but not delivered. A dancer who does OTC or extras with clients already, is less likely to scam those things.
Your points about dancers who aren't hookers are ridiculous. Youbfeel scammed if she sells you a fantasy and doesn't fuck you. Thats her jobm Buyers remorse is your problem.
Anyone can refuse any offer of sex or vice versa.
Are you incapable of understanding what a rob is?
It isnt “selling a fantasy” if a dancer says shell suck you off if you buy vip with her. That’s called scamming and fraud.
Ive done literally nothing to dancers who said they dont do otc.
Youve gone as far as saying dancers are superior citizens, everyone else is inferior and that dancers have the right to rob clients.
Icee when someone posts on here about being scammed by a dancer or ROB, why do you think its impossible for it to be true? Dancers are as human as anyone else, it may be hard for you to understand since you pedestalize them and spent hundreds of thousands on a single dancer. But dancers being human means they can in fact engage in fraud or theft just like anyone else.
Saying no to otc or being a hooker doesn’t mean they’re a ROB. A rob is someone who pretends to be a hooker and doesnt deliver once you pay.
It only happens with escorts or strippers because most people wont go to the cops over sex services not being delivered. Just like people wont go to the cops if their illegal drugs were robbed.
What do you do to dancers who won't fuck you?
Are you outraged by deceptive corporate marketing?
In my view, if a seller offers to provide a service, accepts payment for that service, then fails or refuses to follow through, it's fraud. It happens in all industries, legal, illegal, and quasi-. I've never had a stripper make a blatant "I'll suck you off for $n" offer, just hints, which I decline because there's no way practical way to enforce the implied contract that doesn't end with getting my arse beat. Fortunately that shit doesn't fly at my bar, with girls who try to play ROB being counselled once and dismissed on a second complaint.
As for my lines, and not trying to virtue-signal here: pretty much what Rick posted, with the exception of OTC which I don't do under any circumstances (although if my ATF suggested it, I'd definitely reconsider).
A stripper who honestly refuses to do otc is not a scammer. Shes exercising her right to fuck or not fuck someone, which everyone has the right to do.
Icee, if anyone offers anyone a service, and doesnt follow through, but takes money, its fraud.
If you offer to mow a lawn for $100, take the money upfront and dont do it, its fraud. Its the same thing that also applies if you offer sexual services or any services for money.
Its not “selling a fantasy” “finessing” “hustling” if a stripper engages in fraud or theft. If a dancer is only willing to do lapdances with no extras, its her duty to be open and honest about what her services are, and let people decide if that’s what they want.
Im sorry nobody taught you about this. Not all of us were raised with morals unfortunately
Icee, most big companies aren’t engaging in fraud. Its going to be smaller no name shops, usually, that engage in deception. You need to provide a specific example of the deceptive corporate marketing you’re talking about. If a company was offering extras for buying their products, and not following through, that would be fraud too.
This fraudulent behavior happens more in illegal industries. Illegal drugs, or escorts or strippers. Because if you get frauded in those industries, you cant go to the cops, or if you do, you’ll have to get punished yourself in order to get the other person in trouble.
With dancers you can often pay at the end of otc, instead of paying up front.
And with an escort if her hourly rate is $500, you can for example pay $100 up front for 10 minutes, and then pay $100 every 10 minutes. That way you don’t pay the entire amount upfront and can leave if it’s a scam.
How did they go about scamming those other customers and what does that have to do with stronger or weaker animals? Do you mean mental strength and weakness? And why did you keep seeing them knowing they’re thieves? Net-net by the sound of things they would have tried scamming you also but you didn’t fall for the romance hustles as easily?
I wondered how long it would be before that happened. Good riddance.
I doubt the dipshit learned any lessons from what happened and I assume he'll be back with a new username to continue to write about his adventures in raping sex workers and endangering their sexual health.
I still haven't checked to see if I received any responses back yet. I was busy all day Sunday. And I do not and will never regret contacting his wife or the dancer he raped about what he did. And anyone who thinks I crossed a line is a rapist sympathizer.
This was either him shitting himself begging Founder to scrub him from the site like a little pussy bitch... Or Founder removed it all for obvious reasons.
I suspect that's what happened, because the other guy who claimed to be HIV positive while stealthing and raping dancers still has a profile here (though inactive for a while). His posts caused far more turmoil and user outrage than ThatXGuy85 and it was not removed by founder.
The fact that founder would not remove HIV rapist guy's profile is the reason why PaulDrake revived r/stripclubs on Reddit, which is where he and subraman are primarily active these days.
It is sad that he’s actually a newlywed, and I’m sure his new wife would be horrified to learn about his secret life.
Now we’ve got Icee and BTE involved in a battle for the coveted title of the dumbest TUSCL troll…
It's the Alien vs. Predator sequel that no one asked for or deserves.
When a forum is managed with free speech principles, one will sometimes read things that one does not like. Every once in a while, one might even encounter something truly outrageous. Free speech doesn't come without a cost.
But on the flip side, it cuts both ways. ThatXGuy would have been much better off never posting anywhere and the POS HIV guy hasn't posted in a very long time, though I suspect that it was just a troll account to begin with.
I feel like the same principles apply to, say, claiming to rape women in VIP while being HIV positive, particularly on a site oriented to sex work and purporting to be welcoming to sex workers. Others might disagree, but that has been my opinion all along.
I'll add that I believe the same should apply to users who regularly connect dancers by name to extras or spread STD rumors here. Again, my 2 cents.
I'll gently add that ThatXguy85 is gone primarily, if not entirely, through the efforts of a dancer.
Its a very different scenario than the hiv positive guy who seems like he was trolling also.
What punishment do you get for yelling fire in a crowded room?
Is it true that his wife was hot, and the dancer was very beautiful? Icee said his wife wasn’t his type, but was so hot that he still added her and dmed her.
That was my entire point
@BTE
Punishment for inciting a riot varies, if someone gets hurt it can be severe.
Deleting thatxguy85 just helps him by making him not have to be accountable for his admissions of rape and stalking. Fortunately his admissions are still available on other sites.
Cacaplop go troll someone else
Thankfully, so far IME its only 2 out of 10 dancers who were ROBs.
Note a rob isnt refusing extras... its offering xyz if you buy a dance then not delivering.
Or, literally not performing a dance and just doing an airdance, demandig tip money, after you paid up front for a Lapdance.
Btw Icee, a condom breaking during sex doesn’t automatically = rape. It depends on who wanted the condom, why it was worn, why it was broken, if the people involved had diseases.
Usually condom breaking is done intentionally to spread a disease or force pregnancy.
But it is inconsistent for you to say condom breaking = rape when a PL does it, but say its fine for a dancer to break a condom to try to get pregnant and get child support. Then its not rape according to you then its just a finesse or hustle.
But once again you don’t believe this either, you don’t understand the reasons why freedom of speech isn’t guaranteed in private spaces.
LULZ
So, it's the old "Spy versus Spy" comic, but with trolls.
Im sorry my morals are so much better than yours.
Its unfortunate not all of us had the same upbringing and values.
And thatxguy himself already named the club and the dancer
These two take it to a level I’ve not encountered before. I thought calling it special would make them feel unique!
True dat bro
Cim you're only posting to be a passive aggressive troll again. Trolling by posting only to call others trolls.
Cashman. Go back to talking how you pay for dirty ass and dirty pussy
But i dont want to fuck ITC so that kind of scam doesn’t work.
What has happened is a dancer pulled a tip scam. I paid upfront, went to dance and she refused to dance unless i paid extra money. I got tje dance refunded. It probably depends on the club. But robs are bad for the club reputation. Of course, to lifelong looters and thieves, robs are perfect and the right way to behave.
Now get on your knees and sniff deez nutz! I know you love the aroma of my sweaty bag!
Its rare you’ll get scammed in the first place though, it’s usually newer unaware dancers or foreign dancers who pull the tip scam.
A lapdance has some level of touching involved, its not like youre just paying for time like an escort, and an air dance doesnt count either.
I know you dont want scammer dancers getting in trouble icee but unfortunately even club managers dont like the tip scam
Do you breathalyzer them to make sure they've sobered up?
are you a medical expert and can tell which girls are making sober decisions?
Do you know what other substances the dancers are on that maybe just had a couple drinks?
Basically, you're happy to use alcohol to lubricate the decision making of your target up to the point you arbitrarily decide is too drunk for you to feel comfortable taking advantage of her.
You mean do I treat her like a grown woman able to decide her own limits and make her own choices, until the point where she provides clear evidence to the contrary? You bet I do, as should we all, and there is nothing arbitrary about it.
Btw who exactly do you believe made you the Designated Nanny, better able to make decisions for others than they are themselves? Boy you must be fun at parties. I guess you're what happens when a man is born with only one testicle.
Unlike you, I neither view the world through the lens of a sissy nor arrogantly assume that I know what's best for the woman who is sharing her time with me. I also don't need a medical professional on hand to make reasonable determinations based upon direct observations. There may be some life lessons in there for you son.
Piously stating that you have lines you will and won't cross , then no better definition of the lines than Justice Stewart gave us...... I guess we should all realize that Rick will know the lines when he sees them. And he'll criticize your definition of the lines from his armchair quarterback position on Monday morning.
You need to learn to sack up son. That probably starts with addressing whatever insecurities you carry which fuel your misogyny and feelings of angry self entitlement. Heck you don't even trust your own judgment in determining whether your potential partner has had one too many. These are things you'll need to work on son if you ever wish to have a full life which involves women.
I will not spank, bite, choke or do anything else that may cause physical pain even if they ask me to do it.
Your lines clearly stop before mine, lol. I won't bite - at least too hard - but I'll happily spank and choke. Some of these fucked up girls need a little pain to get off and a for a smaller % that includes oxygen deprivation. It all feeds into their daddy control issues. When I'm fucking them there's no doubt about who's in charge.
Now you can certainly take the position that she needs to worry about your needs and not the other way around. I completely get that. But if you want her eager to come back, it doesn't hurt to reciprocate.
You're missing out. Rough sex can be hot sex with the right person.
It's true that lately it seems to be "trendy" in that some girls *think* they want that sort of thing, but don't understand that prior discussions about limits and safe words are absolutely required. I generally won't even spank those girls unless they *do* understand.