Street Cred?
rickdugan
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I said absolutely. I was fresh off of a string of good OTC adventures in a handful of cities and finally seemed to have ironed out a solid way to approach it, but I was also new to the site and didn't yet understand that this wasn't as novel as I thought to some of the seasoned hounds here. In hindsight if I knew then what I know now, I wouldn't have posted it like I just discovered fire and instead would have probably been much more playful with the article.
But the question also presumed two things: (1) that there was something fundamentally wrong with the core elements of the article; and (2) that I take this discussion board seriously enough to care.
On the first point, 13 years later I've seen as many girls OTC as anyone on this board, covering clubs in 14 different states. Needless to say I hardly need affirmation to tell me that what I do works for me, even as it has evolved over 13 long years.
The second presumption is that I care whether someone trolls my old articles. I don't. The other night was the first time I ever knowingly exposed myself to anyone who could definitively connect my screen name to a face. I come on here almost exclusively to re-live my various club adventures. This is shits and giggles time, not something to be taken so seriously, lol.
A couple of years back, someone PMd me and indicated that he was concerned about posting light reviews because it could hurt his "cred." My response was as follows:
πΏππ ππ‘ "ππππ." πΌ πππ'π‘ ππππππ¦ π€ππππ¦ ππππ’π‘ π‘βππ‘. πΌ ππππ¦ πππππ π‘βπ "ππππππππ πππ πΆπππ‘πππππππ ππ’πππ-π ππ£πππ€ππ" π‘ππ πππππ’π π πΌ ππππ€ ππ‘ π€ππ’ππ πππππ‘ππ‘π π‘βπ ππππππ¦ ππ’πππ π€βπ πππ πππ£πππ’π ππ¦ π’π πππ π‘βππ πππππ πππ ππππππππππ ππππ πππ . πππ ππππππ ππ‘ πππ‘π βππ ππ€π πππ π πππ’πππ ππ ππ‘βπππ ππππ π‘πππ‘ππ¦ ππππ’π π, π π ππ‘'π π€ππππππ. π
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There are guys on here that I take more seriously than others when it comes to strip clubs. At the same time, I've taken some advice from relative newbies here and it worked out well for me. And then there's the guys who've got tons of experience, but I still wouldn't follow their advice if it came to me on a gold platter.
Ultimately, we're mostly guys (and a few women) who post probably more than we should to an anonymous strip club forum. I'm not sure that I'll ever worry a ton about my cred with people I don't know.
You give a hooker money and she does the sex act you agreed upon. There's no system or cred to it.
I apologize if I gave that impression, but the question actually wasnβt judging the articleβs core elements one way or the other. I know Iβve done lots of low-blow types of jabs over the years, so I can understand the confusion. (I canβt help it, Iβve been shitposting on the internet since like the age of 12)
But itβs just been trolled so hard over the years, that I guess I was trying to figure out whether you would have done your part to:
a) actively encourage all the flame wars or
b) you would have re-written it in a way for there to be less βammoβ or
c) refrain from publishing it at all, but I guess in retrospect that wouldnβt have been a possibility at all ever lol
Plus, if the whole thing from me was a jab against the whole practice of the core elements, doctorevil probably would have had some negative choice words to say to meβ¦π
We all have our own system, and you run yours for what works for you. Not everyone is playing with the same hand, so we make due with what is dealt. Iβm still amazed that Robert Kraft got busted for the same price point as San Jose Guy!! Now thatβs a fucked up system!!
It's another example of an advantage of escorts over extras strippers. There are detailed reviews of escorts that identify them by work name. Escorts aren't thrilled about this, but most accept it as a way of increasing business. The same system hypothetically could work for extra strippers. The reviews would just need to omit any discussion of specific acts that occurred together with discussion of $. But, I don't think most extras strippers or clubs with extras would be OK with this.
Iβd like to see update article on the system. Itβs been over a decade itβs due.
Ick, yeah I remember after dealing with manager bs at one club, I decided to go do some shifts at another club that definitely had a stronger extras reputation from dancers, and the reviews on this site backed it up.
And it was there where dancers made a bigger deal about how much money they made than the other clubs I had worked at in town, and they made it through their hustling ability. And also it was where I heard the most complaining about extras at one time. Oh, and it was there (unlike some of the other clubs) where management told me I needed to be more covered up on the floor because βwe like to leave things to the imagination hereβ π
Very odd stuff. But social stigma is a biatch and can cause some really odd behaviors in people.
Let that sink in for a minute...that's deep stuff!!!!!
That's like me loathing that I have to go into Wal Mart but sometimes you need something and that's the only place to get it. So there I am, loathing being in Wal Mart and Elon Musk is in the next aisle buying tools.
When Dougster posted something truly clever I guffawed as much as anyone. When he was on point it was some really good stuff; some of the best trolling I ever saw on this site.
The problem is that 99.5% of his posts were repetitive thread clutter. It's like he shot his load with a handful of funny jokes and couldn't come up with more material, so he just repeated the same things over and over - literally for years on end. At times I truly thought he was on the autism spectrum.
Pandemic was often agitating to many (not me), but we all can agree a lot gets accomplished f2f that virtual life canβt deliver. Lock downs were at most limited in their impact.
I think rickdugan's estimate of 35% who will do FS/extras may be roughly accurate for most clubs. Probably mush higher for some areas like Providence, RI. But, generally at least 50% of the dancers in a club are not attractive to me, and probably not to the typical PL who isn't wearing thick beer googles (or a whiskey butt tampon). And most or all of the 35% are typically among the 50%. So, in most of the US, a dancer who looks as good as nicespice can make good money without doing extras.
No, seeing the same comment reposted 500+ times became painful. It didn't matter if I was the target of the troll posts or not - after a while it was pure drudgery. Same with the countless times he firebombed the board with inane thread bumps. For a while the board was practically unreadable.
Also, georgeMD makes a good point.
Exactly correct.
Peoplesβ ass by needling a spot that exploited a person to the nth degree. Targeted and persistent was his strength, and most people do r have the chops to someone out when theyβre rong. I was rong when it came to the US dollar not being a fiat currency, and Dougster made me pay for it. Those who canβt admit their mistakes must continue to pay for them.
Peoplesβ ass by needling a spot that exploited a person to the nth degree. "
He had a few clever moments amongst a shit ton of repetitive crap. An Internet discussion forum is about the only place where a mentally challenged person can "win" simply by firebombing a board over and over. A loser with no life and a mediocre mind can become outsized simply by devoting more time and energy to the board than those who have other things to do.
Meanwhile, somewhere in Las Vegas, Icee stands at a drive-thru window packaging a breakfast burrito special while wondering "Why are my ears burning?"
Employees tend to be pretty brutally micromanaged and in a lot of places cell phones are a no-go. And the upper management MO with most places is βletβs predict what the customer volume is, and allow managers to only schedule just one or two people under what is needed to accommodate that so that people always fall behind on what metrics we give them and they have to work fasterβ
I assume itβs just a classist way to demean Icey and nothing more. Because if Icey was actually working a food service job, and full time, the ability to post on this site would be WAY more limited.
I have to agree with this. Let's not denigrate food service employees by comparing them to Icee - at least they work for a living. My guess is that Icee is collecting government benefits, which are especially generous in CA. Disability payments, low income housing, free health care, food stamps, etc.
This makes much more sense. He'd have all the time in the world to post in a strip club forum, yet not enough money to actually patronize clubs and understand what actually happens in them. Sound like anyone we know? π
How do you demean an idiot that has no bottom ?
And in the strip club he is not buying dances and being a chump.
But the weaknesses are first that he is not really getting to know his women and being open to an ongoing relationship with them. He is as they say, "paying them to go away".
And then he is not softening them up with front room makeout sessions, he is not trying to get under their skin at multiple levels.
SJG
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SJG
The System >>> The Organization
The System is the name Dougster gave to Rik Duggan's article about maximizing OTC options while traveling. I have explained that there are definite positives to The System, not calling ecort ads and not buying dances. But there are also short comings.
Tetradon, you are just trying to be belligerent.
SJG
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And you talk advantage of the fact that this is online, instead of f2f, so you can't be held accountable.
In any f2f venue you would be made to leave.
SJG
Oh well.
BTW I've told Rick what I think about his morals too. But the System actually exists.
SJG
Ilbaicln, I already made a thread regarding those topics you mentioned.
SJG
The core elements <strong>were</strong> the ammo, so probably not. I might have played with it on the margins to be less of a lecture and more of a fun article, and maybe cut a few things that in hindsight look goofy (remember I was new here), but that's it. The fact that those core elements provided so much "ammo' says more about the ignorance of the trolls than it does about me.
The apparel comments are what drew the bulk of the trolling but I stand by them as much today as I did 13 years ago. When one is an unknown traveler in a place where regulars and other locals are the bulk of a club's customers, blending in is not the goal if one wants enough girl flow to find a decent option for the night.
I've actually tested this in several cities over the years, where I went in on a Sunday night dressed casually - because who would be in business clothes on a Sunday night anyway - and then back to the same club the next night in my work attire. Each and every time I got far more attention when I was dressed up. In a few cases, girls who actually walked by me several times the night before came up and asked "Is this your first time here?", lol.
Now obviously times have changed over 13 years. For starters, pretty much nobody wears ties anymore and some of the styles have evolved. But the core concept remains the same: Someone who looks like he has money to spend is going to get attention. I don't do this stuff in my local clubs as I'm a known quantity who spends, but when I'm in a road club playing handicapped, I've found it to be a great way to overcome the unknown quantity issue.
SJG
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